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>From owner-SALINITY-L@crcvms.unl.edu Tue Apr  1 01:03 EST 1997
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 1997 00:02:14 -0600
Subject: SALINITY-L Digest - 28 Mar 1997 to 31 Mar 1997

There is one message totalling 18 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. No subjection



Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 08:18:37 -0800 From: GROVER PARTEE <PARTEE.GROVER@EPAMAIL.EPA.GOV> Subject: No subjection Why isn't it rare that so many people have so much to say about nothing? >>> Automatic digest processor <LISTSERV@crcvms.unl.edu> 03/28/97 10:03pm >>> There are 4 messages totalling 72 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. ...no subject... -Reply 2. ...no subject... -Reply -Reply 3. <No subject given> 4. ...no subject... -Reply -Reply -Reply
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>From owner-SALINITY-L@crcvms.unl.edu Thu Apr  3 01:03 EST 1997
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 00:02:16 -0600
Subject: SALINITY-L Digest - 31 Mar 1997 to 2 Apr 1997

There are 6 messages totalling 179 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. ratio of prices of analyses on alkali soils
  2. Question of Toth
  3. question of Toth
  4. Aral Sea Salinity (3)



Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 15:33:46 +0200 From: Tibor Toth <h3700tot@ELLA.HU> Subject: ratio of prices of analyses on alkali soils Dear Colleagues: we are working on improving the national standards for reclaiming alkali soils. Instead of using gypsum irrespectively for the patchyness of plots, we intend to apply it in a way that reflects the spatial heterogeneity of the plots. For doing it we must make spatially more detailed soil sampling. It means more cost, and we intend to compensate it by making cheaper chemical analysis of the samples. In the process of optimization we take the cost of analyses as a given independent variable. Therefore we must know comparative prices for chemical analyses of soil samples, such as - Reaction, pH - Carbonate, as CaCO3 - Exchangeable Sodium Percentage - Sodium Adsorption Ratio - Total Soluble Salt Content based on electrical conductivity of saturated paste - Preparation and analysis (EC, pH, Ca, Mg, Na) of saturation extract We know the prices inside Hungary, and we are not sure that the ratio of prices is the same elsewhere, but would like to know. Perhaps this list is appropriate to ask such question. If you could, please send me approximate prices of (commercial) laboratories for these analyses, from which we shall be able to calculate their ratios. If you find it more convenient just write me the ratio of prices, taking the price of determining pH as the base of reference. Please write directly to my email address: h3700tot@ella.hu With best regards Tibor Toth Research Institute for Soil Science and Agricultural Chemistry Budapest
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 15:02:11 -0600 From: "J.D. Oster" <oster@MAIL.UCR.EDU> Subject: Question of Toth Reaction, pH - Carbonate, as CaCO3 NOT NESSARY -- LET pH BE THE QUIDE - Exchangeable Sodium Percentage NOT NECESSARY, NOR BETTER THAN SAR, SEE http://esce.ucr.edu/oster and read the last SLPHYCHM note. - Sodium Adsorption Ratio NECESSARY - Total Soluble Salt Content based on electrical conductivity of saturated paste OK - Preparation and analysis (EC, pH, Ca, Mg, Na) of saturation extract. THESE ARE THE ONLY TESTS THAT ARE NECESSARY. I think COSTs IN CALIFORNIA WOULD range from $20 to $30 PER SAMPLE FOR ALL OF THESE ANALYSES. MAYBE SULFATE ON THE SATURATION EXTRACT SHOULD ALSO BE DETERMINED IF THERE IS THE POSSIBLITY THAT THE SOIL IS GYPSIFEROUS -- WHICH IS THE CASE FOR SOME OF THE CALIFORNIA, SODIC SOILS. IF THE LAB USES ICP, THAN THE ADDED COST WOULD BE SMALL. QUALITY CONTROL: THE SUM OF THE SOLUBLE CATIONS IN THE EXTRACT NEEDS TO RANGE FROM 10 TO 14 TIMES THE EC. THIS CAN BE FURTHER TIGHTENED BASED ON THE EC OF THE SAMPLE. FOR LOW EC'S THE RANGE WOULD BE FROM 10 - 11, AND FOR EC ABOVE 10 dS/m, the range would be 12 - 14 dS/m. J.D.(Jim) Oster Dept. of Soil & Env. Sciences University of California Riverside, CA 92521 Phone (909)787-5100 FAX (909)787-5522
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 15:32:47 -0600 From: "J.D. Oster" <oster@MAIL.UCR.EDU> Subject: question of Toth I forgot to mention that one needs an estimate of the cation exchange capacity. There is usually a relationship between cation exchange capacity and the water content of a saturated-soil paste for a given region. This would reduce the cost of assessing gypsum requirements because the determination of water content is simpler to do than the determination of cation exchange capacity. J.D.(Jim) Oster Dept. of Soil & Env. Sciences University of California Riverside, CA 92521 Phone (909)787-5100 FAX (909)787-5522
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 14:28:33 -0800 From: Mike SHANNON <MSHANNON@USSL.ARS.USDA.GOV> Subject: Aral Sea Salinity Does anyone have reference information on salinity problems around the Aral Sea??
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 14:51:35 -0800 From: Earle Cummings <earlec@WATER.CA.GOV> Subject: Re: Aral Sea Salinity At 02:28 PM 4/2/97 -0800, you wrote: >Does anyone have reference information on salinity problems >around the Aral Sea?? > The record of Bay Delta Water Quality and Water Right hearings from 1986 or 1987 will have testimony contributed by the Bay Institute of San Francisco. Their testimony would have been presented by Joel Hedgepeth, as I recall. He and others pointed to the collapse of estuarine fisheries resulting from excessive freshwater diversions from Aral Sea tributaries. Earle W. Cummings V (916)327-1656 earlec@water.ca.gov F (916)327-1648 Mail: PO Box 942836 Sacramento, CA 94236-0001
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 19:33:47 -0600 From: CHRIS AMRHEIN <CHRISA@MAIL.UCR.EDU> Subject: Re: Aral Sea Salinity "Science" 2 September 1988. vol. 241 pages 1133-1264. "Desiccation of the Aral Sea: A water management disaster in the soviet union." by Philip P. Micklin. includes a nice color picture on the cover of the magazine. >At 02:28 PM 4/2/97 -0800, you wrote: >>Does anyone have reference information on salinity problems >>around the Aral Sea?? >> >The record of Bay Delta Water Quality and Water Right hearings from 1986 or >1987 will have testimony contributed by the Bay Institute of San Francisco. >Their testimony would have been presented by Joel Hedgepeth, as I recall. >He and others pointed to the collapse of estuarine fisheries resulting from >excessive freshwater diversions from Aral Sea tributaries. >Earle W. Cummings V (916)327-1656 >earlec@water.ca.gov F (916)327-1648 >Mail: PO Box 942836 >Sacramento, CA 94236-0001 > Christopher Amrhein Department of Soil and Environmental Sciences University of California Riverside, CA 92521 Voice: (909) 787-5196 FAX: (909) 787-3993
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>From owner-SALINITY-L@crcvms.unl.edu Fri Apr  4 01:02 EST 1997
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 00:01:14 -0600
Subject: SALINITY-L Digest - 2 Apr 1997 to 3 Apr 1997

There are 7 messages totalling 248 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. question of Toth (2)
  2. Aral Sea Salinity (2)
  3. Aral Sea Salinity -Reply
  4. Aral Sea
  5. Toth's e-mail address



Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 10:05:45 +0200 From: Giuseppina Crescimanno <00261aaa@MBOX.IT.NET> Subject: Re: question of Toth At 15.32 02/04/97 -0600, you wrote: >I forgot to mention that one needs an estimate of the cation exchange >capacity. There is usually a relationship between cation exchange capacity >and the water content of a saturated-soil paste for a given region. This >would reduce the cost of assessing gypsum requirements because the >determination of water content is simpler to do than the determination of >cation exchange capacity. >J.D.(Jim) Oster >Dept. of Soil & Env. Sciences >University of California >Riverside, CA 92521 > >Phone (909)787-5100 >FAX (909)787-5522 > Dr. Oster,=20 could you please describe the technique used for preparation and analysis of the saturation extract? And also tell something more about the relationship between CEC and water content? Sincerely, Giuseppina Crescimanno Dept. EITA-Idraulica Facolt=E0 di Agraria Palermo, Italy phone +39-91-591614 fax: +39-91-484035
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 01:09:46 -0800 From: "L-Soft list server at UNIVERSITY OF NE - LINCOLN (1.8c) (by way of Richard Soppe <rwsoppe@ucdavis.edu>)" <LISTSERV@CRCVMS.UNL.EDU> Subject: Re: Aral Sea Salinity Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 10:29:33 +0000 From: Alfred Heuperman <heupermana@salty.agvic.gov.au> Subject: Re: Aral Sea Salinity >Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 14:28:33 -0800 >From: Mike SHANNON <MSHANNON@USSL.ARS.USDA.GOV> >Subject: Aral Sea Salinity >To: SALINITY-L@crcvms.unl.edu >Reply-to: Salinity-L Discussion List <SALINITY-L@crcvms.unl.edu> > >Does anyone have reference information on salinity problems >around the Aral Sea?? The 16th ICID Congress on Irrigation and Drainage, Cairo, Egypt, Sept 1996, transactions Volume 1C; "The basic idea and principles of water strategy for Aral Sea Basin" by Victor Dukhovny and Vadim Sokolov (Uzbekistan) Also, contact Lambert Smedema at the Word Bank (lsmedema@worldbank.org). He is involved with the Aral Sea program. Alfred Heuperman Senior Natural Resource Management Officer Institute of Sustainable Irrigated Agriculture Tatura Australia
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:15:22 +0200 From: "Thomas-M. Stein" <stein@WIZ.UNI-KASSEL.DE> Subject: Re: Aral Sea Salinity Mike, >Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 14:28:33 -0800 >From: Mike SHANNON <MSHANNON@USSL.ARS.USDA.GOV> >Subject: Aral Sea Salinity >Does anyone have reference information on salinity problems >around the Aral Sea?? There is also book edited by M.G.Bos from ILRI (International Institute for Landreclamation and Improvement) in the Netherlands. Bos, M.G.(ed.), 1996: The Inter-Relationship Between Irrigation, Drainage and the Environment in the Aral Sea Basin.- Kluwer Academic Publisheres, The Netherlands. (Published in cooperation with NATO Scientific Affairs Division) Best regards Thomas ______________________________________________________________________________ Thomas-M. Stein University of Kassel (FB11) Phone : (+49)-5542-98-1632 Dep. of Rural Engineering and Fax : (+49)-5542-98-1588 Natural Resource Protection Email : stein@wiz.uni-kassel.de Nordbahnhofstr. 1a WWW : http://www.wiz.uni-kassel.de/kww/ D-37213 Witzenhausen, GERMANY List owner: IRRIGATION-L@listserv.gmd.de ______________________________________________________________________________
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 07:57:18 -0700 From: Mike SHANNON <MSHANNON@USSL.ARS.USDA.GOV> Subject: Re: Aral Sea Salinity -Reply Thanks Chris.
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 08:29:50 -0700 From: Mike SHANNON <MSHANNON@USSL.ARS.USDA.GOV> Subject: Aral Sea Thank you Phil Cole, Jim Oster (& Russell Clemings), Chris Amrhein, Earle Cummings, Alfred Heuperman, and Thomas Stein for your many leads and contributions. As a result of 'neural networking' I have become an 'overnight expert' in re the Aral Sea problems. One source that wasn't mentioned, that contains additional references is "Salinisation of Land and Water Resources. Human Causes, Extent, Management & Case Studies." edited by F Ghassemi, AJ Jakeman and HA Nix, Uni of New South Wales Press, 1995. I found it on my bookshelf duh Thanks again!
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:40:03 -0600 From: "J.D. Oster" <oster@MAIL.UCR.EDU> Subject: Re: question of Toth The saturation percentage is the grams of water required to saturate 100 g of soil. The most rapid and simple way to prepare the saturated paste is to add dry, ground (less than 2mm) to water. If one knows the approximate saturation percentage, adding the correct mass of dry soil to the 'correct' mass of water, letting the 'mixture' set for 12 hours, stirring while adding either dry soil or water to achieve the 'correct' consistency is the procedure I use. The word 'correct' needs a caveat: one may 'know' this based on past experience with the same soil, or one may hazard an educated quess based on texture. Letting the mixture set for 12 hours tasks ones patience, but it makes mixing the soil and water much easier. For those who are fond of having a mixing battle, paricularly with clay soils, start trying to mix the soil and water immediately after the soil is added to water, or the other way around.=20 The CONSISTENCY. I add water, or soil, until the top of the mixture gleams and until a trough (a long narrow channel or depression) made by a spatula in the mixture collaspes with one or two light taps of the container against the top of the work bench.=20 The RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN SATURATION PERCENTAGE AND SOIL TEXTURE. I begin with a warning; the following numbers are based on Un. of Ca. experience on the part of Cooperative Extension personnel with California soils. Your soils may behave differently. The clay minerals in California are usual illitic and smectitic.=20 Saturation Paste Water content Soil Texture in percent below 20 Sand or loamy sand 20 - 35 Sandy loam 35-50 Loam or silt loam 50 - 65 Clay loam 65 - 135 Clay (some clays go up to 150) above 135 Usually organic (peat or muck)experience At 10:05 AM 4/3/97 +0200, you wrote: >At 15.32 02/04/97 -0600, you wrote: >>I forgot to mention that one needs an estimate of the cation exchange >>capacity. There is usually a relationship between cation exchange capacity >>and the water content of a saturated-soil paste for a given region. This >>would reduce the cost of assessing gypsum requirements because the >>determination of water content is simpler to do than the determination of >>cation exchange capacity. >>J.D.(Jim) Oster >>Dept. of Soil & Env. Sciences >>University of California >>Riverside, CA 92521 >> >>Phone (909)787-5100 >>FAX (909)787-5522 >> > > >Dr. Oster,=20 >could you please describe the technique used for preparation and analysis= of >the saturation extract? >And also tell something more about the relationship between CEC and water >content? > >Sincerely, Giuseppina Crescimanno >Dept. EITA-Idraulica >Facolt=E0 di Agraria >Palermo, Italy > >phone +39-91-591614 >fax: +39-91-484035 > J.D.(Jim) Oster Dept. of Soil & Env. Sciences University of California Riverside, CA 92521 Phone (909)787-5100 FAX (909)787-5522
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 11:42:08 -0600 From: "J.D. Oster" <oster@MAIL.UCR.EDU> Subject: Toth's e-mail address Tibor: your e-mail address of h3700tot@ella.hu has not worked during the last two days. Do you have another? J.D.(Jim) Oster Dept. of Soil & Env. Sciences University of California Riverside, CA 92521 Phone (909)787-5100 FAX (909)787-5522
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>From owner-SALINITY-L@crcvms.unl.edu Sat Apr  5 01:02 EST 1997
Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 00:01:31 -0600
Subject: SALINITY-L Digest - 3 Apr 1997 to 4 Apr 1997

There are 2 messages totalling 46 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. question of Toth (2)



Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 09:30:15 +0200 From: Giuseppina Crescimanno <00261aaa@MBOX.IT.NET> Subject: Re: question of Toth dr. Oster, thanks for explanations, may i ask what is the technique you suggest for determining soluble ions and calculate the SAR? Sincerely, Giuseppina Crescimanno
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 10:08:13 -0600 From: "J.D. Oster" <oster@MAIL.UCR.EDU> Subject: Re: question of Toth Giuseppina: Reference for chemical methods: Methods of Soil Analysis: Part 3 -- Chemical Methods. Ordering information available at the following e-mail address: books@agronomy.org. Also you may wish to visit http://www.soils.org/pubcat/. Extract water from saturated-soil paste using Buchner funnel, filter paper, and a vaccum pump. Determine cations (Na, Ca, Mg, and K) with AA or ICP, Determine SO4 using ICP, HCO3 by titration to pH 3.8, Chloride by cooulometric-amperometric titration. SAR is the sodium concentration divided by the square root of the sum of the calcium and magnesium concentrations where concentrations must be expressed in mmol/L. At 09:30 AM 4/4/97 +0200, you wrote: >dr. Oster, >thanks for explanations, may i ask what is the technique you suggest for >determining soluble ions and calculate the SAR? Sincerely, Giuseppina >Crescimanno > J.D.(Jim) Oster Dept. of Soil & Env. Sciences University of California Riverside, CA 92521 Phone (909)787-5100 FAX (909)787-5522
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>From owner-SALINITY-L@crcvms.unl.edu Mon Apr 14 01:01 EDT 1997
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 00:00:25 -0600
Subject: SALINITY-L Digest - 4 Apr 1997 to 13 Apr 1997

There is one message totalling 14 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Question



Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 15:13:31 +0000 From: BAHMAN PANAHI <PBS95BP@WYE.AC.UK> Subject: Question Hello everybody, I would be most grateful if you would kindly inform me where is the place of Pistachio plant in the category of plants to tolerance? Does it belong to Halophytes or Glycophytes? Thanks a lot. yours faithfully, Bahman.
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>From owner-SALINITY-L@crcvms.unl.edu Tue Apr 15 04:50 EDT 1997
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 03:49:24 -0600
Subject: SALINITY-L Digest - 13 Apr 1997 to 14 Apr 1997

There are 3 messages totalling 195 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Question
  2. Question -Reply
  3. 'Land and Water News' (Australian interest only)



Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 11:19:07 -0600 From: CHRIS AMRHEIN <CHRISA@MAIL.UCR.EDU> Subject: Re: Question The person that would know this is Louise Ferguson at the Kearney Ag. Center. 9240 S. Riverbend Ave., Parlier, CA 93648. email: louise@uckac.edu phone: 209-646-6541. >Hello everybody, >I would be most grateful if you would kindly inform me where is the >place of Pistachio plant in the category of plants to tolerance? Does >it belong to Halophytes or Glycophytes? Thanks a lot. >yours faithfully, > >Bahman. > Christopher Amrhein Department of Soil and Environmental Sciences University of California Riverside, CA 92521 Voice: (909) 787-5196 FAX: (909) 787-3993
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 15:57:09 -0700 From: Mike SHANNON <MSHANNON@USSL.ARS.USDA.GOV> Subject: Question -Reply Work done by Sepaskhah et al. 1985 indicates that pistachio trees are tolerant to chloride salinity, but may be semi-tolerant (their phrase) to Na (based on comparison of the effects of SAR and ESP - which could create a physical impact on soil quality rather than a specific salt effect). Their paper lists several references that cite pistachios as being relatively salt tolerant. Yields reported in their paper are only top growth, not marketable or nut yield, but they show a threshold value of 6.5 dS/m ECe and a slope of 6.2, which would put the crop into Maas and Hoffman's (1977) rating of "tolerant". Behboudian et al. 1986 (Pub No 7193) state that "P. vera is a glycophyte highly tolerant of salt". Their work did not show the positive growth responses with increasing levels of salinity that are characteristic of halophytes. They also indicated that pistachio is drought tolerant or adaptable to drought conditions, based on photosynthesis measurements and variation. They didn't see any particular sensitivity to Na. Behboudian, M.H., R.R. Walker, and E. Torokfalvy. 1986. Effects of water stress and salinity on photosynthesis of pistachio. Scientia Horticulturae 29:251-261 Separkhah, A.R., M. Maftoun, and N. Kariman. 1985. Growth and chemical composition of pistachio as affected by salinity and applied iron. J. Hort. Sci. 60:115-121. See also: Sepaskhah, A.R. and M. Maftoun. 1988. Relative salt tolerance of pistachio cultivars. J. Hort. Sci. 63:157-162.
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 10:16:27 +0900 From: David Mussared <mussared@WEBMEDIA.COM.AU> Subject: 'Land and Water News' (Australian interest only) (apologies for cross-postings) Dear All This email is to announce the launch of a new Australian publication, called 'Land and Water News'. The first issue was published today. 'Land and Water News' is an independent, national roundup of breaking news in the Australian land and water field. It is a quality newsletter aimed at business, government and research professionals working in the area. Each month (except January), 'Land and Water News' will report on new developments in Federal and State Government policy and legislation; funding arrangements; business news; research updates; relevant public debates; local government issues; and key reports, reviews and publications. 'Land and Water News' is entirely independent. It accepts no advertising, and is not funded by any agency nor organisation. The newsletter is available only by paid subscription, which costs $220 a year. For a complimentary copy (including subscription details) please contact the editor, David Mussared. Contact details are: David Mussared, editor 'Land and Water News' 36 Nation Ridge Road ALDGATE SA 5154 ph: 08-8388-5608 fax: 08-8388-5372 email: mussared@webmedia.com.au ----------------------------------------------------------------- For more information about 'Land and Water News', please read on: Compare our price ----------------- At $220 a year, 'Land and Water News' is cheaper than most daily newspaper subscriptions. It is devoted entirely to accurate, high-quality reporting of interest to professionals in the field. At $220 a year, 'Land and Water News' is a fraction of the price of a commercial newspaper clipping or media monitoring service. It is posted to you as an executive summary of important developments. At $220 a year, 'Land and Water News' is far cheaper than employing your own media consultant to keep tabs on public issues which affect your work. The next issue: Federal Budget analysis --------------------------------------- The next issue of 'Land and Water News' will be published shortly after the May 13 Federal Budget, and will include a detailed analysis of the Budget's impacts on natural resource and environment issues throughout Australia. What's in it for you? --------------------- Subscribing to 'Land and Water News' is like having your own, personal media consultant chasing up issues which are important to you, and delivering a monthly summary of new developments. Because 'Land and Water News' is financially independent, it can report critically on hot issues. It draws on an extensive network of inside contacts, as well as published and unpublished information from many sources, to tell you what is really going on - not just the official version. A subscription to 'Land and Water News' will arm you with a monthly intelligence report, at a glance. It will dramatically reduce the amount of reading you need to do to stay abreast in this rapidly changing area. The editor ---------- The editor of 'Land and Water News', David Mussared, is an experienced and respected journalist who has won national and international awards for his reporting of land and water issues. Mr Mussared is best-known as the former science and environment reporter for 'The Canberra Times'. Before that he worked in the Canberra Press Gallery for Australian Associated Press, as the national media liaison officer for CSIRO Corporate Communications, and as a journalist for the Adelaide 'Advertiser'. He has worked as a media consultant, and has written for numerous newspapers, magazines, newsletters and books. As well as media outlets, his employers have included the CSIRO; the CRC for Freshwater Ecology; the National Landcare Program; Australia's rural R&D corporations and various government departments and universities. Mr Mussared's journalism awards have included: * the 1994 National Landcare Media Award * the international Commonwealth Media Award (Environment Category) * the Michael Daley Award for Science, Technology and Engineering Journalism (Sustainable Land-Use Category). --------------------------------------------------------------------- David Mussared 'Land and Water News' 36 Nation Ridge Road ALDGATE SA 5154 Phone: 08-8388-5608, Fax: 08-8388-5372 email: mussared@webmedia.com.au ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>From owner-SALINITY-L@crcvms.unl.edu Fri Apr 18 01:04 EDT 1997
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 00:03:33 -0600
Subject: SALINITY-L Digest - 14 Apr 1997 to 17 Apr 1997

There are 3 messages totalling 83 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. arsenic (3)



Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 12:34:59 -0400 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Leoncio_Mart=EDnez?= <lmartine@INTIHUASI.INIA.CL> Subject: arsenic --MimeMultipartBoundary hello salinity list members: Does anyone have references about the effect of arsenic over plants a = human health?. I want information about toxic levels on irrigation = waters, plant and human symthoms, etc. best regards, Leoncio F. Martinez Inia-Intihuasi Chile --MimeMultipartBoundary--
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 14:42:16 -0400 From: Ca1ant@AOL.COM Subject: Re: arsenic "Agricultural Drainage Water Contamination in the Western San Joaquin Valley: A public Health Perspective for Arsenic, Nitrates/Nitrites, Mercury, Uranium, and Vanadium" June, 1990 This report was prepared for the San Joaquin Valley Drainage Program... the authors are Susan A. Klasing, , Ph.D., Joy A Wisniewski, , Ph.D., Susan M. Pilch, , Ph.D., and Sue A. Anderson, Ph.D. The report contains several studies on human health effects at various concentrations of arsenic. The drinking water standard is 50 µg/L, the ag water quality goal is 100 µg/L, 1 in a million cancer risk level is 0.02 µg/L
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 14:47:46 -0500 From: Ramanarayanan Tharacad <rama@BRCSUN0.TAMU.EDU> Subject: Re: arsenic =46rom where can I get a copy of this report?? Thanks. TS. ~ "Agricultural Drainage Water Contamination in the Western San Joaquin = Valley: ~ A public Health Perspective for Arsenic, Nitrates/Nitrites, Mercury, = Uranium, ~ and Vanadium" June, 1990 ~=20 ~ This report was prepared for the San Joaquin Valley Drainage = Program... the ~ authors are Susan A. Klasing, , Ph.D., Joy A Wisniewski, , Ph.D., = Susan M. ~ Pilch, , Ph.D., and Sue A. Anderson, Ph.D. ~=20 ~ The report contains several studies on human health effects at various ~ concentrations of arsenic. ~=20 ~ The drinking water standard is 50 =B5g/L, the ag water quality goal is = 100 ~ =B5g/L, 1 in a million cancer risk level is 0.02 =B5g/L ~=20
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>From owner-SALINITY-L@crcvms.unl.edu Tue Apr 22 02:02 EDT 1997
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 00:01:34 -0600
Subject: SALINITY-L Digest - 17 Apr 1997 to 21 Apr 1997

There are 3 messages totalling 108 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Water flow-Solute transport-geochemical coupled model (3)



Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 12:21:39 +0200 From: Nicolas <condom@CIRAD.FR> Subject: Water flow-Solute transport-geochemical coupled model Dear colleagues, I am carrying out some researches on the modeling of hydro-geochemical processes of salinization/sodification/alkalinization in irrigated soils. I am looking for some references on the MECANISTIC and COUPLED models (water flow/solute transport/geochemical processes) that exist and/or have already been used in case of soil salinisation/alkalinization. The only models that I know are: UNSATCHEM (Simunek and Suarez, 1993) and a model used by Marlet in Niger (Marlet, 1996). Does anybody work on this topic and have information on this point? Thank you very much With best regards, Nicolas CONDOM Centre for International Cooperation in Agricultural Research for= Development FRANCE condom@cirad.fr Fax: 33.4.67.61.56.42 Nicolas CONDOM Allocataire recherche Centre International de Recherche en Agronomie pour le D=E9veloppement Unite Gestion de l 'Eau Montpellier Tel : 04.67.61.56.14 Fax : 04.67.61.56.42 condom@cirad.fr
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 08:09:46 -0400 From: Steve Quesenberry <76564.2750@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: Water flow-Solute transport-geochemical coupled model Can someone please send me the sign-off procedure. I am changing servers soon and must unsubscribe and then resubscribe. Steve Quesenberry 76564.2750@compuserve.com
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 16:04:58 +0200 From: Giuseppina Crescimanno <00261aaa@MBOX.IT.NET> Subject: Re: Water flow-Solute transport-geochemical coupled model At 12.21 21/04/97 +0200, you wrote: >Dear colleagues, > > >I am carrying out some researches on the modeling of hydro-geochemical >processes of salinization/sodification/alkalinization in irrigated soils. I >am looking for some references on the MECANISTIC and COUPLED models (water >flow/solute transport/geochemical processes) that exist and/or have already >been used in case of soil salinisation/alkalinization. > >The only models that I know are: UNSATCHEM (Simunek and Suarez, 1993) and a >model used by Marlet in Niger (Marlet, 1996). > >Does anybody work on this topic and have information on this point? > >Thank you very much > >With best regards, > >Nicolas CONDOM >Centre for International Cooperation in Agricultural Research for= Development >FRANCE >condom@cirad.fr >Fax: 33.4.67.61.56.42 >Nicolas CONDOM >Allocataire recherche >Centre International de Recherche en Agronomie pour le D=E9veloppement >Unite Gestion de l 'Eau >Montpellier >Tel : 04.67.61.56.14 >Fax : 04.67.61.56.42 >condom@cirad.fr > hallo Nicolas, I am doing some work with LEACHM (Wagenet and Hutson, 1992). I am inteersted in your results, if you have some. Giuseppina Crescimanno Dipartimento EITA, Settore Idraulica facolt=F2=E0 di Agraria Viale delle Scienze 90128 Palermo Tel.+39-91-591614(209) fax:+39-91-484035
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Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 00:01:21 -0600
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  1. intro plus ESP concern (3)
  2. intro plus ESP concern -Reply



Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:43:00 +1300 From: Keith Vincent <VincentK@LANDCARE.CRI.NZ> Subject: intro plus ESP concern Hi, I am Keith Vincent, a pedologist (soil scientist) with experience in soil survey and soil water movement. I live in New Zealand (slightly further down under than Australia), and here we have very few saline soils caused by irrigation in arid conditions. Instead, we have soils on the marine fringe which may be classified as littoral saline soils. That is, the salinity comes directly from sea water, either directly as a result of flooding, or in tidal groundwater. These saline soils only represent a tiny fraction of available land area, but all land is under pressure for development so I have been called in to study reclamation of such soils from salt-marsh to pasture, as well as diagnosing problems when horticultural crops have failled on such soils. Which brings me to a concern that I have with the calculation of ESP (exchangeable sodium percentage) and the definition of alkali soils (with ESP > 15%). ESP is defined as the ratio of exchangeable sodium to CEC. However, I have been observing that in saline soils the total exchangeable bases often exceeds the CEC, because of the presence of excess soluble salts. Therefore although ESP may exceed a threshold percentage the total exchangeable bases will probably also far exceed 100 percent, thus distorting the value of the ESP percentage. Would not calculating it as a ratio of the total exchangeable bases have been a better criterion? Also - is USDA Agriculture Handbook 60 "Diagnosis and Improvement of Saline and Alkali Soils" still available - I browsed obvious sources but it wasn't listed. Looking forward to your comments, Keith Vincent "Digging Down_Under" Landcare Research Havelock North New Zealand vincentk@landcare.cri.nz http://goddess.hb.landcare.cri.nz/~keithv/new_page.html
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 17:03:42 +1000 From: RICHARD MacEWAN <r.macewan@EUREKA.BALLARAT.EDU.AU> Subject: Re: intro plus ESP concern Hi Keith, a quick response to your points below: > I am Keith Vincent, a pedologist (soil scientist) with experience in soil > survey and soil water movement. > Which brings me to a concern that I have with the calculation of ESP > (exchangeable sodium percentage) and the definition of alkali soils (with > ESP > 15%). ESP is defined as the ratio of exchangeable sodium to CEC. > However, I have been observing that in saline soils the total > exchangeable bases often exceeds the CEC, because of the presence > of excess soluble salts. Therefore although ESP may exceed a threshold > percentage the total exchangeable bases will probably also far exceed > 100 percent, thus distorting the value of the ESP percentage. Would not > calculating it as a ratio of the total exchangeable bases have been a > better criterion? The point, I believe, in using ESP as a parameter for soil classification is because of the assumed relationship between exchangeable sodium and soil structure, particularly the tendency for the soil to swell and disperse in a fresh water or low electrolyte environment. Your soils could well be very sodic with ESP's in excess of 15%. However, with high electrolyte soil solution no structural problem would be evident. To use the [Na] values obtained from a determination on a soil that has not been leached of soluble salts would give a very misleading figure for ESP as you suggest. It is also a confusion to consider the cations obtained from a saline soil as all being exchangeable. Only those derived from the negatively charged clay-organic complex are exchangeable and therefore influencing clay swelling and dispersion. The problems that arise with these saline-sodic soils when drained are the result of leaching of salts and lowering of soil electrolyte levels. This can of course be avoided by the use of Gypsum in reclamation. A more potent problem may the potential for development of acidity in these soils when drained if they are high in sulphide. So - have you got saline-sodic-acid-sulphate soils??????? By the way, in their wisdom, Australian pedologists opted for 6% as the ESP above which soils are classed as sodic. Regards, Richard ****************************** Richard MacEwan, School of Science University of Ballarat, PO Box 663, BALLARAT 3353 AUS Phone: 053 279221 Fax: 053 279240 "If you're smart or rich or lucky, you may beat the laws of man. But the inner laws of spirit and the outer laws of nature no man can." (Joni Mitchell - The Wolf that Lives in Lindsay) ##########
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 09:13:58 -0700 From: "J.D. Oster" <oster@MAIL.UCR.EDU> Subject: Re: intro plus ESP concern Keith: I'll try pitching a rocky solution on your 'ocean' situation and see whether it will skip at least once. Exchangeable bases may be the problem. One has to correct the extractable bases for the soluble component. There are two or more phases within a soil-water system which contain the same ion. For calcium, the phases would be the water (the soluble phase), the exchange phase, and one or more mineral phases (calcite and possibly gypsum). When one determines extractable calcium for the purpose of determining exchangeable calcium, one has to correct for the calcium in the soluble an mineral phases. This is not easy to do, see for example Amrhein and Suarez, SSSAJ 55:698, 1991. Generally, it is better to determine the cation exchange capacity by saturating the exchange capacity with one ion, like sodium, and then replacing it with another cation like NH4. There may be better cations to use than sodium and NH4, but that would require finding more references which is beyond the scope of this answer. Finally, ESP in Handbook 60 is based on the exchangeable sodium ratio, in other words, the ratio of exchangeable sodium divided by the CEC minus the exchangeable sodium. For this to be a correct ratio, the extractable sodium has to be corrected for soluble sodium (generally based on the sodium concentration in the saturated-soil extract) and the CEC has to be determined correctly. And, for that to be the case for calcareous sodic soils, one probably would not choose to base the CEC on the total of the 'exchangeable' calcium plus magnesium plus sodium plus potassium. Handbook 60 is out-of-print. Three other works basically have replaced it: 1. Ayars and Westcot. 1985. Water Quality for Agriculture. Irr. Dr. Paper #29, Rev. 1, FAO Rome, Italy; Rhoades, Kandiah and Mashali. 1992. The use of saline waters for crop porduction. FAO Ir. and Dr. Paper #48, Rome, Italy, and Tanji (ED) 1990. Agricultural Salinity Assessment and Management. ASCE Manuals and Reports on Engineering Practice #71. ASCE, New York. At 05:43 PM 4/28/97 +1300, you wrote: >Hi, > >I am Keith Vincent, a pedologist (soil scientist) with experience in soil >survey and soil water movement. > >I live in New Zealand (slightly further down under than Australia), and >here we have very few saline soils caused by irrigation in arid >conditions. Instead, we have soils on the marine fringe which may be >classified as littoral saline soils. That is, the salinity comes directly from >sea water, either directly as a result of flooding, or in tidal groundwater. > >These saline soils only represent a tiny fraction of available land area, >but all land is under pressure for development so I have been called in to >study reclamation of such soils from salt-marsh to pasture, as well as >diagnosing problems when horticultural crops have failled on such soils. > >Which brings me to a concern that I have with the calculation of ESP >(exchangeable sodium percentage) and the definition of alkali soils (with >ESP > 15%). ESP is defined as the ratio of exchangeable sodium to CEC. >However, I have been observing that in saline soils the total >exchangeable bases often exceeds the CEC, because of the presence >of excess soluble salts. Therefore although ESP may exceed a threshold >percentage the total exchangeable bases will probably also far exceed >100 percent, thus distorting the value of the ESP percentage. Would not >calculating it as a ratio of the total exchangeable bases have been a >better criterion? > >Also - is USDA Agriculture Handbook 60 "Diagnosis and Improvement of >Saline and Alkali Soils" still available - I browsed obvious sources but it >wasn't listed. > >Looking forward to your comments, > >Keith Vincent "Digging Down_Under" >Landcare Research >Havelock North >New Zealand > >vincentk@landcare.cri.nz >http://goddess.hb.landcare.cri.nz/~keithv/new_page.html >
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 11:04:00 +1300 From: Keith Vincent <VincentK@LANDCARE.CRI.NZ> Subject: Re: intro plus ESP concern -Reply Hi, Thanks for the replies. The point I had missed is that for the ESP calculation to be correct (and useful), then the exchangeable sodium values need to be corrected first of all for the soluble sodium values. After this is done for each cation, then total cations will no longer exceed CEC, and I am a happy customer! So to conclude, the Exchangeable Sodium Percentage (ESP) will be obtained by determining (( exchangeable sodium corrected for soluble sodium) / CEC ) x 100 Keith Vincent >>> J.D. Oster 29/April/1997 05:13am >>> Keith: I'll try pitching a rocky solution on your 'ocean' situation and see whether it will skip at least once. Exchangeable bases may be the problem. One has to correct the extractable bases for the soluble component. There are two or more phases within a soil-water system which contain the same ion. For calcium, the phases would be the water (the soluble phase), the exchange phase, and one or more mineral phases (calcite and possibly gypsum). When one determines extractable calcium for the purpose of determining exchangeable calcium, one has to correct for the calcium in the soluble an mineral phases. This is not easy to do, see for example Amrhein and Suarez, SSSAJ 55:698, 1991. Generally, it is better to determine the cation exchange capacity by saturating the exchange capacity with one ion, like sodium, and then replacing it with another cation like NH4. There may be better cations to use than sodium and NH4, but that would require finding more references which is beyond the scope of this answer. Finally, ESP in Handbook 60 is based on the exchangeable sodium ratio, in other words, the ratio of exchangeable sodium divided by the CEC minus the exchangeable sodium. For this to be a correct ratio, the extractable sodium has to be corrected for soluble sodium (generally based on the sodium concentration in the saturated-soil extract) and the CEC has to be determined correctly. And, for that to be the case for calcareous sodic soils, one probably would not choose to base the CEC on the total of the 'exchangeable' calcium plus magnesium plus sodium plus potassium. Handbook 60 is out-of-print. Three other works basically have replaced it: 1. Ayars and Westcot. 1985. Water Quality for Agriculture. Irr. Dr. Paper #29, Rev. 1, FAO Rome, Italy; Rhoades, Kandiah and Mashali. 1992. The use of saline waters for crop porduction. FAO Ir. and Dr. Paper #48, Rome, Italy, and Tanji (ED) 1990. Agricultural Salinity Assessment and Management. ASCE Manuals and Reports on Engineering Practice #71. ASCE, New York. At 05:43 PM 4/28/97 +1300, you wrote: >Hi, > >I am Keith Vincent, a pedologist (soil scientist) with experience in soil >survey and soil water movement. > >I live in New Zealand (slightly further down under than Australia), and >here we have very few saline soils caused by irrigation in arid >conditions. Instead, we have soils on the marine fringe which may be >classified as littoral saline soils. That is, the salinity comes directly from >sea water, either directly as a result of flooding, or in tidal groundwater. > >These saline soils only represent a tiny fraction of available land area, >but all land is under pressure for development so I have been called in to >study reclamation of such soils from salt-marsh to pasture, as well as >diagnosing problems when horticultural crops have failled on such soils. > >Which brings me to a concern that I have with the calculation of ESP >(exchangeable sodium percentage) and the definition of alkali soils (with >ESP > 15%). ESP is defined as the ratio of exchangeable sodium to CEC. >However, I have been observing that in saline soils the total >exchangeable bases often exceeds the CEC, because of the presence >of excess soluble salts. Therefore although ESP may exceed a threshold >percentage the total exchangeable bases will probably also far exceed >100 percent, thus distorting the value of the ESP percentage. Would not >calculating it as a ratio of the total exchangeable bases have been a >better criterion? > >Also - is USDA Agriculture Handbook 60 "Diagnosis and Improvement of >Saline and Alkali Soils" still available - I browsed obvious sources but it >wasn't listed. > >Looking forward to your comments, > >Keith Vincent "Digging Down_Under" >Landcare Research >Havelock North >New Zealand > >vincentk@landcare.cri.nz >http://goddess.hb.landcare.cri.nz/~keithv/new_page.html >
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