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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Fri Jan  3 14:40 EST 1997
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 13:41:49 -0600
Message-Id: <199701031941.AA02869@crcnis1.unl.edu>
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Liquid fertilizer/salinity problem? (S.Pini@agora.stm.it)
ACOE Wetland Delineation Training (Richard Chinn <info@envtechcenter.com>)



Date: Thu, 2 Jan 97 21:5:21 ITA From: S.Pini@agora.stm.it Subject: Liquid fertilizer/salinity problem? Dear sirs, I'm an agronomist and I work in a public laboratory for soil analysis in Liguria (North West Italy). Two weeks ago a grower called me to see his greenhouse for a big damage to his roses coltivation. The leaves in the basal part of the stem firt burned and after fell to the ground. The young leaves of the upper part of the stem were without symptoms. The grower think that the damage was a salinity problem but our laboratory tested the soil in October and conductivity measurement was 350 microS/cm 25 C (soil:water=1:5 weight). The grower, in October AFTER the analysis, fertilized his roses with liquid fertilizers with this composition: Product A: "Hydrolized animal epithelium with amino acids at medium and low molecolar weight: H2O: 43% total organic N: 7,02% organic C: 19% total organic matter: 44,45 Distribution dose: 24 kg/1300 square meters (about 0,3 acres) Product B: "Bio-stimulant" Organic Matter 32-33% Proteins, amino acids, 12,5% Polysaccharides 2,0 % Humic acids 2,9 % Distribution dose: 6 kg/1300 square meters (about 0,3 acres) he used also Calcium nitrate kg 12/0,3 acres. Now I need of your help to understand if the damage could be a really problem of salinity in the soil or other causes, like ammonia or nitrite damage. I'm also interested to know descriptions of syntoms of salt damage, soil testing procedure for salinity and interpretation scales and your opinions about the utility for the plant of products like these liquid fertilizers. Thank you in advance, Stefano Pini ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Stefano Pini E-mail: s.pini@agora.stm.it Laboratorio Regionale Analisi Terreni Loc. Pallodola c/o Mercato Ortofrutticololo Phone : + 39 187 620254 I-19038 - SARZANA (SP) ITALY Fax : + 39 187 627698 -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 11:01:38 -0500 From: Richard Chinn <info@envtechcenter.com> Subject: ACOE Wetland Delineation Training The Environmental Technology Center will be offering Army Corps of Engineers Wetland Delineation Training on the following dates in the following cities: City Dates New Orleans, LA January 13 - 17, 1997 San Diego, CA January 27 - 31, 1997 Tampa, FL February 3 - 7, 1997 Ann Arbor, MI February 10 - 14, 1997 Boston, MA March 10 - 14, 1997 Tampa, FL March 24 - 28, 1997 The benefits of this training are twofold: 1. It teaches proper, ACOE-approved methods for wetland jurisdictional determination and delineation, and 2. It prepares persons for the Corps' written and field tests required for certification. The Corps plans implementation of the Wetland Delineation Certification Program in early, 1997. See our web page for an overview and current status of the Corps' Wetland Delineation Certification Program. For additional information, contact: -- Richard Chinn, MS Certified Wetland Delineator Certified Environmental Trainer Environmental Technology Center 8413 Laurel Fair Circle, Suite 200 Tampa, Florida 33610-7355 Ph: (813) 621-8848 Ph: (800) 348-8848 Fax: (813) 621-0153 Web Site: http://envtechcenter.com E-Mail: info@envtechcenter.com
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Mon Jan  6 00:45 EST 1997
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 1997 23:48:25 -0600
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TOTAL SULFUR DET. IN SOIL ("I. Kojo" <cisagoe@ipc.hiroshima-u.ac.jp>)



Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 14:27:23 +0900 (JST) From: "I. Kojo" <cisagoe@ipc.hiroshima-u.ac.jp> Subject: TOTAL SULFUR DET. IN SOIL We are having problems trying to determine total S in an Udipsamment, sandy siliceous soil. We used the NaHCO3, Ag2O method of Steinberg et al. (1962). After digestion, the sample was extracted with 10mM CaCl2 (soil:soln. ratio, 1:2) and S det. by ion chromatography. We could not detect any S in the sample when the recommended 0.1g sample was used. So we increased sample size up to 10 g. Nothing was detected. We then added 100ppm S to the soil sample and still no S was detected. Reducing the ashing temp. from 550 to 280oC was of no help. However, total S in cattle manure compost was successfully determined by the same method (about 11,000 ppm). Data from lit. indicates that this soil contain 30-50 ppm total S (X'ray fluorescence spectroscopy) Where did we err? Any suggestions? Regards, Charles Sagoe Hiroshima University Japan
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Tue Jan  7 01:05 EST 1997
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 00:08:11 -0600
Message-Id: <199701070608.AA09965@crcnis1.unl.edu>
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RE: TOTAL SULFUR DET. IN SOIL ("Perrott, Ken" <PERROTTK@agresearch.cri.nz>)



Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 08:27 +1200 (NZST) From: "Perrott, Ken" <PERROTTK@agresearch.cri.nz> Subject: RE: TOTAL SULFUR DET. IN SOIL We have measured total S in soils using a similar method (described in Perrott et al (1992): Commun. Soil Sci. Plant Anal. 22(13&14), 1477-1487), but determining S by ICP. We found low recoveries of S when extracted with water and had to extract with HCl to overcome this. There seems to be a reaction which converts some of the soil S into a non extractable form. (We found this occurred when S was added to the soil in solution but not when added as a solid salt). Maybe this is worse with CaCl2 extractants. It is an interesting problem which we have not had trime to pursue. This is a pity because extraction with water would have improed the sensitivity of the method and allowed use of ion chromatography after removal of Na2CO3 with cation exchange resin. My suggestion - extract with acid and determine S by ICP (or similar method not effected by the acid). However, it is necessary to corrrect for Al, Fe, Ca, etc. extracted from the soil. ______________________________________________ Ken Perrott AgResearch, Ruakura Research Centre Private Bag 3123, Hamilton, NEW ZEALAND. Telephone: +64-7-838 5119. Facsimile: +64-7-838 5160. Email: perrottk@agresearch.cri.nz ______________________________________________ ---------- > From: I. Kojo > To: PerrottK; Multiple recipients of list > Subject: TOTAL SULFUR DET. IN SOIL > Date: Monday, 6 January 1997 17:37 > > > > We are having problems trying to determine total S in an Udipsamment, > sandy siliceous soil. > > We used the NaHCO3, Ag2O method of Steinberg et al. (1962). After > digestion, the sample was extracted with 10mM CaCl2 (soil:soln. ratio, > 1:2) and S det. by ion chromatography. > > We could not detect any S in the sample when the recommended 0.1g sample > was used. > > > > Charles Sagoe > Hiroshima University > Japan > > > >
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Wed Jan  8 01:09 EST 1997
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 00:08:42 -0600
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Texture AutoLookup (Christopher Teh Boon Sung <chris@agri.upm.edu.my>)
Re: Texture AutoLookup ("Mark Johnston" <mjohnsto@sky.Lakeheadu.Ca>)
Re: Texture AutoLookup (TTrooien@oznet.ksu.edu (Todd Trooien))
Re: Texture AutoLookup (Christopher Teh Boon Sung <chris@agri.upm.edu.my>)



Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 21:51:30 +0800 From: Christopher Teh Boon Sung <chris@agri.upm.edu.my> Subject: Texture AutoLookup Hello everyone, I recently wrote a computer program to determine the soil's textural class based on the USDA classification scheme. It's a simple program that works within Excel, Lotus 123 for Windows, and as well as a stand alone version. I wrote this program mainly because I wanted one myself; I recently analyzed a lot of soil samples, and I wanted a program to automatically lookup all their textural class. You can download this program for free at the following WWW: http://www.agri.upm.edu.my/~chris/tal.html I only ask you send me email before you download this program. Thanks and best wishes in your research projects. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Christopher Teh Boon Sung Department of Soil Science, Faculty of Agriculture, Universiti Pertanian Malaysia, 43400 UPM, Serdang, Selangor, MALAYSIA. Tel: (603) 948 6101 extension 2716 Fax: (603) 943 4419 http://www.agri.upm.edu.my/~chris/ * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 1997 09:24:14 +0000 From: "Mark Johnston" <mjohnsto@sky.Lakeheadu.Ca> Subject: Re: Texture AutoLookup Hi Christopher: I also do a lot of textural analysis and would be interested in your program. I assume it's OK to download a copy. --- Dr. Mark Johnston Centre for Northern Forest Ecosystem Research Lakehead University, 955 Oliver Road Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada P7B 5E1 tel (807) 343-4012; fax (807) 343-4001 email: mjohnsto@sky.lakeheadu.ca URL: http://www.cnfer.on.ca
Date: 07 Jan 97 09:21:05 CST From: TTrooien@oznet.ksu.edu (Todd Trooien) Subject: Re: Texture AutoLookup Christopher- I'd also like to download a copy of your program. My emailer strips off your return email address on the message that comes through the listserv. If you would kindly provide your email address in your post, folks like me could alert you off-list that we plan to download your program. Thanks for making the program available. Todd Trooien Research Agricultural Engineer ttrooien@oznet.ksu.edu
Date: Tue, 07 Jan 1997 23:48:47 +0800 From: Christopher Teh Boon Sung <chris@agri.upm.edu.my> Subject: Re: Texture AutoLookup At 09:39 AM 07-01-97 -0600, you wrote: >Christopher- > >I'd also like to download a copy of your program. > >My emailer strips off your return email address on the message that >comes through the listserv. If you would kindly provide your email >address in your post, folks like me could alert you off-list that we >plan to download your program. > >Thanks for making the program available. > > >Todd Trooien >Research Agricultural Engineer >ttrooien@oznet.ksu.edu > > Dear Todd Trooien, Thank you for your interest in this little program. My email is: chris@agri.upm.edu.my Please feel free to download this program. Best wishes. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Christopher Teh Boon Sung Department of Soil Science, Faculty of Agriculture, Universiti Pertanian Malaysia, 43400 UPM, Serdang, Selangor, MALAYSIA. Tel: (603) 948 6101 extension 2716 Fax: (603) 943 4419 http://www.agri.upm.edu.my/~chris/ * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Thu Jan  9 01:06 EST 1997
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 00:09:14 -0600
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Re:  X - Reply (chaveshl@guarany.cpd.unb.br (henrique marinho leite chaves))



Date: Wed, 8 Jan 1997 11:59:19 -0300 From: chaveshl@guarany.cpd.unb.br (henrique marinho leite chaves) Subject: Re: X - Reply unsubscribe
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Fri Jan 10 15:32 EST 1997
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 14:33:40 -0600
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Re: Tritium exchange as used to measure surface area ("Mark Hodson" <Mark.Hodson@mluri.sari.ac.uk>)
X (ENEditor@aol.com)
Re:  X (rault@epi.roazhon.inra.fr (ensa2))
Re: Texture AutoLookup (Tom Thomson <tomt@teleport.com>)
X (ENEditor@aol.com)



Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 08:19:50 0 From: "Mark Hodson" <Mark.Hodson@mluri.sari.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Tritium exchange as used to measure surface area > Hi, > > > > My name is Mark Hodson. I am presently working on mineral weathering > > rates and critical loads of acidity in soils. I am becoming > > interested in surface area measurements. I wonder if anyone out there > > knows of any handy references covering theory and application of > > tritium exchange as used to measure surface area. > > > > thanks in advance > > > > Mark Hodson M. Hodson MLURI, Craigiebuckler, Aberdeen. AB15 8QH SCOTLAND Phone: +44 (0) 1224 318611 Fax: +44 (0) 1224 311556 Email: m.hodson@mluri.sari.ac.uk
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Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 13:31:22 -0800 (PST) From: Tom Thomson <tomt@teleport.com> Subject: Re: Texture AutoLookup I would like to download a copy of this program. Thanks for the effort you made. Tom Tom Thomson Northwest Agricultural Consulting Dallas, Oregon 97338 Phone/FAX 503-623-0468 "The only difference between a problem and a solution is that everyone understands the solution." Charles Kettering
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Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 14:34:21 -0600
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No Subject (Ckronberg@aol.com)



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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Tue Jan 14 13:53 EST 1997
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 12:54:33 -0600
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      x ("Renato D. Boniao" <RENATO@cc1.msuiit.edu.ph>)
Re: No Subject (Jimmywhyt@aol.com)



Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 11:07:37 GMT+8 From: "Renato D. Boniao" <RENATO@cc1.msuiit.edu.ph> Subject: x unsubscribe
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Wed Jan 15 14:09 EST 1997
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 13:09:38 -0600
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      unsaturated hydroulic conductivity ("Ali Reza Movahedi Naeini" <PEV94AM@wye.ac.uk>)
Re: unsaturated hydroulic conductivity (Dean Stewart <stewartd@tui.lincoln.ac.nz>)
      Re: unsubscribe (<julia.quinn@luton.ac.uk>)
subscription info (Maribeth Milner <milner@ames.net>)



Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 21:58:40 GMT From: "Ali Reza Movahedi Naeini" <PEV94AM@wye.ac.uk> Subject: unsaturated hydroulic conductivity Hi In a field maize trial, I have applied garden compost as incorporated and mulch. Statistics show a greater moisture content at both end of Soil Moisture Characteristic Curve in incorporation treatment, and no change in water holding capacity compared to other treatments including control. The yield was higher in incorporation method and soil moisture use during growing season was the same as other treatments. I am wondering whether incorporation increases unsaturated hydraulic conductivity in the lower end of moisture content in the hydraulic head - moisture content curve or not (any comment) and also any references with regard to organic carbon and unsaturated hydraulic conductivity in low moisture contents is appreciated. Ali Reza Movahedi Naeini Ph.D Student Wye College University of London,Wye Near Ashford,Kent TN25 5AH Phone Office :01233 812401 EXT:391 Phone Hostel :01233 812012 Room Nomber-9
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 11:59:34 +1300 From: Dean Stewart <stewartd@tui.lincoln.ac.nz> Subject: Re: unsaturated hydroulic conductivity Both work by Kaddous and Morgans (1986) and myself has found similar results (ie. increased soil moisture contents but no change in the water holding capacity) following the incorporation of several applications of mushroom compost. Neither research made any unsaturated hydralic conductivity measurements, however the compost increased the saturated hydraulic conductivity and the infiltration rate respectively in the two studies. Please contact me directly if you want details of either of these trials. Dean ------------------------------------------------------- Dr Dean P.C. Stewart AgResearch c/- Department of Soil Science Lincoln University P.O. Box 84 Canterbury New Zealand Phone: (3) 3253 888 Fax: (3) 3253 607
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 12:55:36 GMT From: <julia.quinn@luton.ac.uk> Subject: Re: unsubscribe unsubscribe soils-l
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 12:40:50 -0600 From: Maribeth Milner <milner@ames.net> Subject: subscription info > This group is for the discussion of all aspects of Soil Science. > The creation of this list has been sanctioned by the Electronic > Communications Committee of the American Society of Agronomy. At > present, this list is unmoderated. The list owner is Jerome Pier > (jp@unl.edu). As traffic increases, various sub-topics in soil > science will receive their own lists. > > In order for soils-l subscribers to get to know each other, I would > request that you use your first post to the list to introduce yourself > as far as your name, affiliation, area(s) of interest and at least > one 'burning' question that you think would be a good discussion topic. > > This list is archived. By introducing yourself to the list, a database > of subscriber expertise will be created which can be searched for by > other users. The introduction is *voluntary*. > > I hope to generate a FAQ (frequently asked questions) which will be > posted regularly to the list to help with using the listserv software, > and discuss some of the most commonly raised concerns voiced in soils-l. > > The following gives a brief overview of the Listserv software: > > Some Features of Listserv: > ------------------------- > * To get more information pertaining to using the list server > running this list, send e-mail to "listserv@unl.edu" and place > > help > > as the body of the text. This should be the only word in the message. > > > * To postpone your receiving mail from the group, send mail to > "listserv@unl.edu" and place > > set group_name mail postpone > > as the body of the message. To start receiving messages after postponing > them, again send mail to "listserv@unl.edu" with > > set group_name mail ack > or > set group_name mail noack > > as the message. The "ack" tells listserver to send you a copy of messages > you personally posy, "noack" does not send you copies of your posts. > > > * To get a table of members on the list, and their receiving status, send > e-mail to "listserv@unl.edu and put > > recipients group_name > > as the message. > > * To get a listing of archives available for soils-l, send the following > email to listserv@unl.edu: > > index > > The archives can then be retreived by sending the command: > > get <archive path-to-archive> file > > > * Finally, to unsubscribe from the list, send mail to > "listserv@unl.edu" with > > unsubscribe group_name > > in the body of the message. You will no long receive mail from the group > and cannot send mail to the group. > > > Virtually, > > Jerome Pier jp@unl.edu > > > >
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Thu Jan 16 20:21 EST 1997
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 19:23:02 -0600
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Digest setting? ("D. L. Oetting" <do65731@navix.net>)
Piezometers and lysimeters (Paul Reynolds <PREYNOLD@tnrcc.state.tx.us>)



Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 13:59:04 -0600 From: "D. L. Oetting" <do65731@navix.net> Subject: Digest setting? This is a great service, but would anyone happen to know if there is a "digest" setting for the soils-l list? I'm hoping to get one e-mail message a day from the list, a collection of all the messages for one day. I know that feature is possible on other listservs that I'm subscribed to. -- Dan Oetting, Pro-Ag: Precision Soil Consulting
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 09:47:16 -0600 From: Paul Reynolds <PREYNOLD@tnrcc.state.tx.us> Subject: Piezometers and lysimeters Hi all, I am needing some information pertaining to costs and installation standards of piezometers and lysimeters. If any of you are venders and would be interested in submitting bids, contact me via personal E-mail and I will get back with you ASAP. Also, I need information on training for the installation and sampling of these. Would anyone have any information for training sessions in Texas? We are working on a federal project, in NE Texas, that is intended to evaluate the implementation of BMP's on confined animal feeding operations (CAFO) in that part of the state. Due to federal monies involved, all individuals have to be trained and certified in the installation and sampling of the particular method we use. Thanks for you time. adios PS- I'm trying to access 3 lists with one E-Mail. I hope this does not cause any problems. Paul Reynolds preynold@smtpgate.tnrcc.state.tx.us Agronomist TNRCC
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Sat Jan 18 00:23 EST 1997
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 23:25:03 -0600
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Re: unsaturated hydroulic conductivity ("Malone, Robert" <malone@coshocton.com>)
A question... (foldenyi@almos.vein.hu (Dr Foldenyi Rita))
Re: No Subject (Spielmops@aol.com)



Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 06:45:36 -0600 From: "Malone, Robert" <malone@coshocton.com> Subject: Re: unsaturated hydroulic conductivity Ali: In my Ph.D. research, I added yard waste compost to a silt loam soil and found that the field capacity and the wilting point of the yard waste compost amended soil increased compared to the unamended silt loam soil. But the water holding capacity (field capacity minus wilting point) changed very little. This seems to be what you found. Since my work was primarily focused upon pesticide transport, this data won't be published so if you need details, please contact me. An article you may be interested in is Emerson (1995, "Water Retention, Organic C and Soil Texture", Aust. J. Soil Res., 33:241-51). Regards, Rob ************************************************* * Rob Malone * * Research Agricultural Engineer * * North Appalachian Experimental Watershed * * USDA-ARS * * P.O. Box 488 * * Coshocton, OH 43812-0488 * * malone@coshocton.com * * * * Phone: 614-545-6349 * * Fax: 614-545-5125 * ************************************************* Ali Reza Movahedi Naeini wrote: > > Hi > > In a field maize trial, I have applied garden compost as incorporated > and mulch. Statistics show a greater moisture content at both end of > Soil Moisture Characteristic Curve in incorporation treatment, and no > change in water holding capacity compared to other treatments > including control. The yield was higher in incorporation method and > soil moisture use during growing season was the same as other > treatments. > > I am wondering whether incorporation increases unsaturated hydraulic > conductivity in the lower end of moisture content in the hydraulic > head - moisture content curve or not (any comment) and also any > references with regard to organic carbon and unsaturated hydraulic > conductivity in low moisture contents is appreciated. > > Ali Reza Movahedi Naeini Ph.D Student Wye College > University of London,Wye Near Ashford,Kent TN25 5AH > Phone Office :01233 812401 EXT:391 > Phone Hostel :01233 812012 Room Nomber-9 --
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 18:19:10 +0100 From: foldenyi@almos.vein.hu (Dr Foldenyi Rita) Subject: A question... Dear Soils-l Subscribers! Please, excuse me for this letter but we have found a project possibility and the deadline is too closed. This is a TEMPUS project for Europe (it needs two partners from EU, at least one university, the other can be an institution) and the deadline is the 31-st of January 1997. Everything can be reached by the Internet at the http://www.prof.iif.hu/tempus/tempus.htm location. We want to begin a project in the education (and research) about soils - especially in the environmental point of view. As I have knowledge enough about pesticides and their fate (I am chemist worked a lot on the field of organic chemistry), we are interested in the movement and degradation of these compounds. One of my collegaues is interested in geophysics. If somebody thinks about the collaboration, please, write to my e-mail address! We are interested in a later cooperation, too. Thank you for your attention! Sincerely, Rita Foldenyi Department of Environmental Engineering & Chemical Technology University of Veszprem H-8201 Veszprem, P.O.B. 158 Hungary
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Sun Jan 19 00:23 EST 1997
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 23:25:09 -0600
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 (Benjamin Goodin <goodi@popalex1.linknet.net>)



Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 12:23:25 -0600 From: Benjamin Goodin <goodi@popalex1.linknet.net> Subject: unsubscribe
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Mon Jan 20 00:23 EST 1997
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 23:25:29 -0600
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Re:  subscription info (rault@epi.roazhon.inra.fr (ensa2))



Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 00:00:04 +0100 From: rault@epi.roazhon.inra.fr (ensa2) Subject: Re: subscription info unsuscribe soils-l
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Tue Jan 21 00:24 EST 1997
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 23:25:45 -0600
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request for assistance/info ("Clarence W. Walker Phone/Fax 1-770-392-1313" <cwwalker@bellsouth.net>)



Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 01:41:59 -0800 From: "Clarence W. Walker Phone/Fax 1-770-392-1313" <cwwalker@bellsouth.net> Subject: request for assistance/info I have only recently discovered the "science" of biointensive agriculture (used because I know of no other proper term for this area of holistically approached composting, soil management, and plant growth that involves all sound and tested uses of microflora and fauna along with organic, composting, french intensive, vermiculture and other techniques). For over thiry years I have subscribed to my own techniques and ideas but only recently noticed them being addressed professionally. I am now extremely interested in developing a more professional and applied understanding of applied methodologies that include well thought out, safe, practical,and scientific/agricultural engineering techniques and procedural methodologies from A to Z in terms of organic waste utilization, composting, applied microbiologicals at all appropriate phases and for purposes such as more rapid conversion, more thorough conversion of difficult organics, nitrogen fixation, ammonia conversion, etc. in composting and in soil innoculation. In short, I have no false impression that I could become an overnight soil scientist at 46 but I do have a strong interest in any APPLIED systems, information, products,or equipment associated with soil, mulch, tilth, and composting processes...especially when a synergy can be achieved to utilize industrial, residential, commercial, municipal, and agricultural organic wastes. Having just returned from a four day seminar in sustainable agriculture I was disappointed at how little is available here in the U.S. whether in terms of information, proven products, or even in U.S. made machinery that assists in composting mechanization, management, control, automation or materials handling. Should you know of any available literature or sources of information on any of these topics, please consider me your all too willing sponge... waiting to absorb all that is available! Likewise, should you know of any sources for a variety of starters or innoculant cultures or other microflora and fauna for the many aspects or phases of composting/soil development/farming/waste processing I would certainly appreciate receiving information and /or samples. LASTLY, I have located a source of granite dust that is a derivative of georgia granite (stone mountain) quarrying operations that I would like to use in composting as a rock phosphate.....Is there anyone that could specify a range of acceptable grid sizes that would allow the minerals to be accessable and broken down. Thanks for any and all feeding!!!!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU -- Industrial - Commercial - Municipal - Agricultural - Community Waste Processing - Consulting Marketing & Distribution Services 7500 Spalding Lane, Atlanta, Georgia 30350 Ph/Fax 770-392-1313
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Wed Jan 22 00:30 EST 1997
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 23:29:58 -0600
Message-Id: <199701220529.AA19422@crcnis1.unl.edu>
Subject: SOILS-L digest 684

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Data manipulation ("Mark Hodson" <Mark.Hodson@mluri.sari.ac.uk>)
Re: request for assistance/info (Robert_Mikkelsen@ncsu.edu)



Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 17:28:36 0 From: "Mark Hodson" <Mark.Hodson@mluri.sari.ac.uk> Subject: Data manipulation hi, A question about data analysis on the assumption that I'm not the only person in the world who tries to use statistics on the EXCEL spreadsheet. Can anyone tell me how to use the linest function in excel to producemultiple linear regression constants. I have tried following the example in the online helop but had no success. Is my problem that I haven't told EXCEL that my cells are members of an array (separate from defining the array within the linest command) M. Hodson MLURI, Craigiebuckler, Aberdeen. AB15 8QH SCOTLAND Phone: +44 (0) 1224 318611 Fax: +44 (0) 1224 311556 Email: m.hodson@mluri.sari.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 09:26:13 -0500 (EST) From: Robert_Mikkelsen@ncsu.edu Subject: Re: request for assistance/info >I have only recently discovered the "science" of biointensive agriculture (used because I know of no other proper term for this area of >LASTLY, I have located a source of granite dust that is a derivative of georgia granite (stone mountain) quarrying operations that I would like to use in composting as a rock phosphate.....Is there anyone that could specify a range of acceptable grid sizes that would allow the minerals to be accessable and broken down. > >Thanks for any and all feeding!!!!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU >-- >Industrial - Commercial - Municipal - Agricultural - Community >Waste Processing - Consulting Marketing & Distribution Services >7500 Spalding Lane, Atlanta, Georgia 30350 Ph/Fax 770-392-1313 I appreciate your enthusiasm for the practical aspects of agricultural production and waste utilization. Many exciting developments keep this area full of new ideas and challenges. Do not feel hampered by your lack of formal education, but please keep a healthy skepticism as you delve into this area. There are many who are devout believers in certain narrow aspects of this field and they are not inhibited in asking for financial support of their activities! As for Georgia granite rock dust, this likely has NO value as a P source. Of course a chemical analysis needs to be done to confirm this. Published research has shown virtually NO AGRONOMIC VALUE from applications of rock dust (except possibly in soils with extremely low potassium). Rocks weather very slowly and only over very long time periods do they contribute any nutrients for plant growth. (rhyolite, a potassium feldspar may be one of the better granitic rock dusts for supplying K, but it is still quite poor when the expense and high application rates are considered). Rock phosphate CAN be a valuable source of nutrients for plants in some circumstances, but this IS NOT granitic material. The phosphate present in most rock phosphate sources is quite insoluble- therefore it will not "dissolve", but just sit there in the soil, useless to the plants (e.g. Florida rock P). This low solubility is why it is processed into soluble P fertilizers. Some sources of rock P are more soluble that others (e.g. North Carolina rock P). If ground finely and APPLIED TO ACIDIC SOIL, the more soluble rock P can serve as a nutrient source (the soil acidity is required to dissolve the rock). There is considerable information published regarding the use of rock P and its many potential uses, but do not confuse it with granitic rock dust. Good luck! Robert Mikkelsen Department of Soil Science Box 7619, North Carolina State University Raleigh, NC 27695-7619 Voice: (919) 515-2388 FAX: (919) 515-2167
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Thu Jan 23 11:19 EST 1997
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 10:15:45 -0600
Message-Id: <199701231615.AA29169@crcnis1.unl.edu>
Subject: SOILS-L digest 685

Contents:
Re: request for assistance/info (Marino Perelli <marino@veneto.shineline.it>)
Re: request for assistance/info ("Clarence W. Walker Phone/Fax 1-770-392-1313" <cwwalker@bellsouth.net>)
unsubscribe (chaveshl@guarany.cpd.unb.br (henrique marinho leite chaves))
 (Julia Strauch <julia@openlink.com.br>)
unsuscribe (rault@epi.roazhon.inra.fr (ensa2))



Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:28:08 +0100 From: Marino Perelli <marino@veneto.shineline.it> Subject: Re: request for assistance/info I agree completely with the opinion of Robert Mikkelsen. In my experience, rock dusts do not affect plant nutrition, especially, but not only, on calcareous soils. In European Union rock dust is considered as a fertilizer for organic agriculture, but it is useful only for the dealer of rocks. _________________________________________________ Marino Perelli freelance agronomist Via Puccini, 11 - 30034 Mira VE - Italia voice: +39 41 421995 fax: +39 41 421995 (from Italy: 041-421995) E-mail: marino@veneto.shineline.it http://www.shineline.it/utenti/perelli/index.htm _________________________________________________
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 18:40:00 -0800 From: "Clarence W. Walker Phone/Fax 1-770-392-1313" <cwwalker@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: request for assistance/info Thank you for your no nonsence approach to this topic. I wish I could speak Italian.......a BEAUTIFUL language! Alas, the closest I come is Spanish....much to the lament of my sister in law de PUGLIA...Antoinette Puglisi! The folowing may give you an idea of just how close our thought paths are...I wish there were an international forum for such topics!............................... What I was trying to get to comes from weeks of intense study of the web and going to conferences in vermiculture, composting, organic gardening, organic waste, processing, and sust ag.. However, with all of the many different theories, authors, schools of thought, and sources of hype it is difficult to get enough meat or unbiased, common sense straight talk. For example, yesterday I was told two totally different things by two separate universities regarding rock dust...one claiming it is essential to the composting process and another uncategorically ststing that rock dudts are useless in agriculture. Vermiculturists assert that worm castings are the most valuable commodity in the garden and that you can take raw pig manure and run it through worms to totally remove the pathogens and add countless new minerals while improving texture. Composters insist that worms lock up the nutrients, destroy microorganisms, and result in a product that is less nutritive...if anything. Other composters insist upon adding clays, rock powders, extracts, innoculants and a very managed process while others still insist upon quick working, in vessel, anaerobic waste consumption. All is this is before you even get into bio-intensive, controlled microbial, organic, bio dynamic, french intensive, etc, etc, etc.. My bottom line is simple, I am trying to determine what has been PROVEN in order to arrive at an approach or "sysytem" that integrates the best of what we know...without hype or speculation......to approach a systems perspective that in logical steps takes any and all organic wastes, prepares them for composting, utilizes a proven approach towards blending and preparing for the composting, processes the waste in a cost effective, controlable, manageable, scaleable, predictable manner that is at once fairly simple to implement without doctorate degrees in microbiology, easy to replicate at multiple sites, and yet produces a product that is totally safe, thoroughly composted, and well balanced. I may be crazy, but this approach...to my mind...would cut across tur wars and other boundaries to deliver a process/product that would address agricultural/industrial/municipal/and environmental needs. Please feel free to copy or forward as you may desire...I'm just trying to assimilate what I have now spent several months studying! COMMENTS or THOUGHTS? -- Industrial - Commercial - Municipal - Agricultural - Community Waste Processing - Consulting Marketing & Distribution Services 7500 Spalding Lane, Atlanta, Georgia 30350 Ph/Fax 770-392-1313
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Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 13:04:52 -0600
Message-Id: <199701241904.AA02083@crcnis1.unl.edu>
Subject: SOILS-L digest 686

Contents:
      Re: request for assistance/info ("Bernd Kuemmel" <BEK@mmf.ruc.dk>)
Re: request for assistance/info ("Clarence W. Walker Phone/Fax 1-770-392-1313" <cwwalker@bellsouth.net>)
Announcement: Mailing list WASTE (Bujatti Wolfgang <Wolfgang.Bujatti@bmu.gv.at>)
commercial/municipal composting  ("Clarence W. Walker Phone/Fax 1-770-392-1313" <cwwalker@bellsouth.net>)



Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:05:42 +0100 From: "Bernd Kuemmel" <BEK@mmf.ruc.dk> Subject: Re: request for assistance/info Clarence, Marino and Robert! It would seem to me that what you are looking for are scientific approaches to the topic with a simple, understandable for business people, sommunication module. I think some problems can arise during the scientific investigation. The input material can be vastly different and therefore a standardisation is necessary to make sure that results refer to the same input material, if this is applicable, or to the same methods, if that is applicable. The problem already begins with the input material. Garden waste may contain very different fractions depending on the source region. Even in a homo- geneous country as Denmark one would not expect the garden wastes from North of Copenhagen to be of the same composition as the ones from the South of the metropolitana. The same also applies for household waste in general. Then the question of methodology - of course different methods, extra additives given before, during or after the composting process may have importance. But the results very much depend on the input material and on the soils where the end-product is applied to. Different soils have different absorption rates, different crops or garden plants different demands for nutrition. Unless you standardise your procedures, like having double checking tests with e.g. a plain sand beet to compare the compost's ability to improve sprouting of e.g. Dutch broadleaf salat, you do not possibly have a scientific approach to the method. The area might be in great need of scientific methods, which might not be accepted easily. Possible sources of information might be at the agricul- tural departments of universities or at agricultural colleges. It might be that some invetigations have been already done in the 1970s, when this subject was "en vogue", so you may be in need of plowing through old material. The net might not be of great help now, if you consider to look deeper into the subject. It would be down to the paper and book shelves, I guess. I can also see that you are already in the businees sector, so you should be able to self make the right brochures for presenting the method easily to under- stand. Btw, depending on what type of waste you are treating biogasification might be another viable solution. Going rather strong in Denmark. Good Luck Regards Bernd Howdy to Clarence Ciaou a Marino og Hilsen til Robert :Date sent: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 13:23:25 -0600 :Send reply to: <soils-l@unl.edu> :From: "Clarence W. Walker Phone/Fax 1-770-392-1313" <cwwalker@bellsouth.net> :To: Multiple recipients of list <soils-l@unl.edu> :Subject: Re: request for assistance/info : My bottom line is simple, I am trying to determine what has been :PROVEN :in order to arrive at an approach or "sysytem" that integrates the best :of what we know...without hype or speculation......to approach a systems :perspective that in logical steps takes any and all organic wastes, :prepares them for composting, utilizes a proven approach towards :blending and preparing for the composting, processes the waste in a cost :effective, controlable, manageable, scaleable, predictable manner that :is at once fairly simple to implement without doctorate degrees in :microbiology, easy to replicate at multiple sites, and yet produces a :product that is totally safe, thoroughly composted, and well balanced. : :I may be crazy, but this approach...to my mind...would cut across tur :wars and other boundaries to deliver a process/product that would :address agricultural/industrial/municipal/and environmental needs. : :Please feel free to copy or forward as you may desire...I'm just trying :to assimilate what I have now spent several months studying! COMMENTS or :THOUGHTS? :-- :Industrial - Commercial - Municipal - Agricultural - Community :Waste Processing - Consulting Marketing & Distribution Services :7500 Spalding Lane, Atlanta, Georgia 30350 Ph/Fax 770-392-1313 : ):-) Bernd Kuemmel <bek@mmf.ruc.dk> (Energy & Environment 2morrow) IMFUFA,RUC + PB 260 + DK-4000 Roskilde + le Danemark Vox +45 46 75 77 81*2275. Fax +45 46 75 50 65.
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:27:00 -0800 From: "Clarence W. Walker Phone/Fax 1-770-392-1313" <cwwalker@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: request for assistance/info Bernd, Thank you for your thoughtful response...... Actually, what I am looking for is amazingly simple...and I don't buy that the problems are THAT complex....what I am looking for is SUSTAINABILITY....but on a planetary level to assure that something is left for future generations! I feel that this can only be achieved through ending the countless debates, desisting with obfuscation, stopping the turf wars and getting ALL involved working together to achieve synergy...technologically, economically, scientifically, socially....and it CAN be done and MUST be done....now! Of course there are different soils, and different sources of organic wastes......BUT, one way or another everything will decompose or ferment and we could very easily design end to end systems approaches that are at once simple to implement, simple to manage, environmentally safe, and economically rewarding at all levels. Instead, while everyone debates, the landfills grow, the methane spews forth, and the earth continues to be polluted while the populations swell and the waste problems explode. Having studied windrow processing, anaerobic processing, in-vessel processing, vermicultural processing, etc. even I can see that it would be very easy to desing and implement an automated, mechanized, controlled process using readily available materials handling and processing technologies to separate waste, prepare the waste for composting, apply all amendments, compost the waste, and monitor the process end to end with a minimum of manual labor. Blending could be easily computerized and all other processes could easily be automated. There is no reason, with today's technology, why a basic, workable, easy to understand system could not be developed that would turn out whatever special characteristic is need to meet the individual regions needs. My concern is also related to safety, that is environmental safety, worker safety, and consumer safety. What is needed is a major dose of the K.I.S.S. principle in approach, design, application, education, and implementation. NOW...here is my bias....I believe in an aerobic system that does not produce stench, methane gas, or cook the micro-organisms while destroying compost texture. This is a simple process that, if automated, would not require heavy manual labor, intense management, or "rocket scientists" to implement. WE make it sound complex, and overwhelming and WE beat those who are interested about the head and face with our talk of systems, buzzwords, and acronyms. The average compost/organic waste recycler only needs to know how to unload the trucks into the proper bins or chutes and how to push the star button....even THIS could be automated. Specifically, regarding the soils, there is an unending market for a well made, well balanced compost product, that is free of pathogens yet still full of life. Likewise, there is an endless supply of organic waste. Yes, it is true that we do not understand every possible permutation and combination at the molecular level, but we certainly do understand enough to develop and implement systems TODAY based upon what we DO know. I would welcome the opportunity....with the millions of maufacturers in business today and the billions that are spent on the waste problem..to meet even one that has developed a safe, automated, end to end, aerobic composting system! Were this done, the market would be virtually without limit, we could stop building landfills, and our farms would be among the great benefactors! COMMENTS WELCOMED AS ALWAYS...FEEL FREE TO FORWARD AS YOU DESIRE > > Clarence, Marino and Robert! > > It would seem to me that what you are looking for are scientific approaches > to the topic with a simple, understandable for business people, sommunication > module. > > I think some problems can arise during the scientific investigation. The > input material can be vastly different and therefore a standardisation is > necessary to make sure that results refer to the same input material, if > this is applicable, or to the same methods, if that is applicable. > The problem already begins with the input material. Garden waste may contain > very different fractions depending on the source region. Even in a homo- > geneous country as Denmark one would not expect the garden wastes from North > of Copenhagen to be of the same composition as the ones from the South of > the metropolitana. The same also applies for household waste in general. > Then the question of methodology - of course different methods, extra > additives given before, during or after the composting process may have > importance. But the results very much depend on the input material and on the > soils where the end-product is applied to. Different soils have different > absorption rates, different crops or garden plants different demands for > nutrition. Unless you standardise your procedures, like having double checking > tests with e.g. a plain sand beet to compare the compost's ability to improve > sprouting of e.g. Dutch broadleaf salat, you do not possibly have a scientific > approach to the method. > > The area might be in great need of scientific methods, which might not be > accepted easily. Possible sources of information might be at the agricul- > tural departments of universities or at agricultural colleges. It might be > that some invetigations have been already done in the 1970s, when this > subject was "en vogue", so you may be in need of plowing through old material. > > The net might not be of great help now, if you consider to look deeper into > the subject. It would be down to the paper and book shelves, I guess. I can > also see that you are already in the businees sector, so you should be able > to self make the right brochures for presenting the method easily to under- > stand. > Btw, depending on what type of waste you are treating biogasification might > be another viable solution. Going rather strong in Denmark. > > Good Luck > > Regards Bernd > > Howdy to Clarence > Ciaou a Marino > og Hilsen til Robert > > :Date sent: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 13:23:25 -0600 > :Send reply to: <soils-l@unl.edu> > :From: "Clarence W. Walker Phone/Fax 1-770-392-1313" <cwwalker@bellsouth.net> > :To: Multiple recipients of list <soils-l@unl.edu> > :Subject: Re: request for assistance/info > > : My bottom line is simple, I am trying to determine what has been > :PROVEN > :in order to arrive at an approach or "sysytem" that integrates the best > :of what we know...without hype or speculation......to approach a systems > :perspective that in logical steps takes any and all organic wastes, > :prepares them for composting, utilizes a proven approach towards > :blending and preparing for the composting, processes the waste in a cost > :effective, controlable, manageable, scaleable, predictable manner that > :is at once fairly simple to implement without doctorate degrees in > :microbiology, easy to replicate at multiple sites, and yet produces a > :product that is totally safe, thoroughly composted, and well balanced. > : > :I may be crazy, but this approach...to my mind...would cut across tur > :wars and other boundaries to deliver a process/product that would > :address agricultural/industrial/municipal/and environmental needs. > : > :Please feel free to copy or forward as you may desire...I'm just trying > :to assimilate what I have now spent several months studying! COMMENTS or > :THOUGHTS? > :-- > :Industrial - Commercial - Municipal - Agricultural - Community > :Waste Processing - Consulting Marketing & Distribution Services > :7500 Spalding Lane, Atlanta, Georgia 30350 Ph/Fax 770-392-1313 > : > ):-) Bernd Kuemmel <bek@mmf.ruc.dk> (Energy & Environment 2morrow) > IMFUFA,RUC + PB 260 + DK-4000 Roskilde + le Danemark > Vox +45 46 75 77 81*2275. Fax +45 46 75 50 65. -- Industrial - Commercial - Municipal - Agricultural - Community Waste Processing - Consulting Marketing & Distribution Services 7500 Spalding Lane, Atlanta, Georgia 30350 Ph/Fax 770-392-1313
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 16:10:25 +0100 From: Bujatti Wolfgang <Wolfgang.Bujatti@bmu.gv.at> Subject: Announcement: Mailing list WASTE Apologize for multiple postings. C H A R T E R unmoderated mailing list WASTE Content: 1. Aim and discussion topics 2. General information 3. Subscription and Archieve on the WWW 4. List owner 1. Aim and discussion topics Keywords: fractioning of wastes, dumping sites, hazard potential for subsequent generations, recycling, conditioing to inert them, combustion plants The increasing quantity and the hazards of human wastes evolved to a very serious environmental problem. They can impair the general well- being of man, animals, vegetation, their basis of existence or their natural environment. Tthis topic needs an integrated approch by environmentalists, biologists, ecologists, chemists, technicians and lawyers. This mailing list is proposed to provide a forum for scientific discussion on the one hand by people who are distressed by the negative effects which their wastes can take on our natural environment (soil, water, air and the seas) and on the other hand by people involved in collecting, fractioning, conditioning, recycling or dumping wastes. I've chosen the label waste instead of a more specific description (such as recycling or dumping) since this is the usual description for departements of administrations, non governmental organisations and enterprises. An unmoderated mailing list which would provide a world wide forum for a serious discussion by people involved with collecting, fractioning, dumping, conditioning and recycling wastes or people which treat them, so that they can reused for a different purpose, as well as by people, who are cronfronted with the dangers of wastes in everyday life. To assist governments, NGOs, environmentalists and scientists in the acquisition of waste-related information as well as an informative arena on the many different world wide techniques of conditioning, recycling and reusing wastes. Specific topics may include but are not limited to: + the many different types of wastes and their effection on the ecosystems in the soil, the rivers, the atmosphere and the seas and oceans + dumping (nowadays or in the past) of toxic wastes in landfill sites + sealing and watertighten of landfill sites and underground dumping sites + different world-wide skills and techniques of conditioning, recycling and reusing wastes + environmental impact of waste treating plants and landfill sites + pros and cons of waste combustion and the rank of its spent air + energy production as thermal recycling of wastes + specific problems of transport of hazardous wastes and waste oils + the effection of "waste-loss" on the seas and oceans + pacticable collection systems + wastewater use, compostable materials + reuse of tyres, waste-paper, packings, etc. + hazards of waste batteries, neon tubes, refrigerator-liquid, synthetic products, etc. 2. General information To subscribe to the list: 1. Send an e-mail to majordomo@cedar.univie.ac.at 2. Subject line does not matter 3. Type the following command on the first line of your mail: subscribe waste your@email.address Example: subscribe waste fingwe@cedar.univie.ac.at To unsubscribe from the list: 1. Send an e-mail to majordomo@cedar.univie.ac.at 2. Subject line does not matter 3. Type the following command on the first line of your mail: unsubscribe waste your@email.address Example: unsubscribe waste fingwe@cedar.univie.ac.at To post a message to the entire waste list: send your mail to waste@cedar.univie.ac.at ######################################################### # # IMPORTANT: Do not send commands or messages concerning # subscription to the list address. # # Processing commands (subscribe etc.) should be sent to: # majordomo@cedar.univie.ac.at # # List related messages should be sent to the listowner: # wolfgang.bujatti@bmu.gv.at # # Technical questions should be directed to: # bernhard.lorenz@cedar.univie.ac.at #| ######################################################### 3. Subscription and Archieve on the WWW You can subscribe to the list on the follwoing URL: http://www.cedar.univie.ac.at/waste/ All postings at this group are saved in a database. You can read them at the following URL: http://www.cedar.univie.ac.at/archieves/waste/maillist.html At this sites you can get also supplementary informations about this mailing list and general information about our topic. 4. List owner ###################################################### # S E A - L I F E A N D W A S T E D A T A B A S E # Mag. Wolfgang Bujatti, University of Vienna-Center for Biology, # Federal Ministry of Environment of Austria # HOME: Zieglergasse 8/5, A-1070 Vienna # +43/1/52 68 961 # OFFICE: http://www.bmu.gv.at/ # mailto:wolfgang.bujatti@bmu.gv.at # +43/1/515 22/3517 # DATABASE: http://www.geocities.com/~sea-life/ # mailto:sea-life@pacific-ocean.com ######################################################
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 17:46:27 -0800 From: "Clarence W. Walker Phone/Fax 1-770-392-1313" <cwwalker@bellsouth.net> Subject: commercial/municipal composting Bernd, Thank you for your thoughtful response...... Actually, what I am looking for is amazingly simple...and I don't buy that the problems are THAT complex....what I am looking for is SUSTAINABILITY....but on a planetary level to assure that something is left for future generations! I feel that this can only be achieved through ending the countless debates, desisting with obfuscation, stopping the turf wars and getting ALL involved working together to achieve synergy...technologically, economically, scientifically, socially....and it CAN be done and MUST be done....now! Of course there are different soils, and different sources of organic wastes......BUT, one way or another everything will decompose or ferment and we could very easily design end to end systems approaches that are at once simple to implement, simple to manage, environmentally safe, and economically rewarding at all levels. Instead, while everyone debates, the landfills grow, the methane spews forth, and the earth continues to be polluted while the populations swell and the waste problems explode. Having studied windrow processing, anaerobic processing, in-vessel processing, vermicultural processing, etc. even I can see that it would be very easy to desing and implement an automated, mechanized, controlled process using readily available materials handling and processing technologies to separate waste, prepare the waste for composting, apply all amendments, compost the waste, and monitor the process end to end with a minimum of manual labor. Blending could be easily computerized and all other processes could easily be automated. There is no reason, with today's technology, why a basic, workable, easy to understand system could not be developed that would turn out whatever special characteristic is need to meet the individual regions needs. My concern is also related to safety, that is environmental safety, worker safety, and consumer safety. What is needed is a major dose of the K.I.S.S. principle in approach, design, application, education, and implementation. NOW...here is my bias....I believe in an aerobic system that does not produce stench, methane gas, or cook the micro-organisms while destroying compost texture. This is a simple process that, if automated, would not require heavy manual labor, intense management, or "rocket scientists" to implement. WE make it sound complex, and overwhelming and WE beat those who are interested about the head and face with our talk of systems, buzzwords, and acronyms. The average compost/organic waste recycler only needs to know how to unload the trucks into the proper bins or chutes and how to push the star button....even THIS could be automated. Specifically, regarding the soils, there is an unending market for a well made, well balanced compost product, that is free of pathogens yet still full of life. Likewise, there is an endless supply of organic waste. Yes, it is true that we do not understand every possible permutation and combination at the molecular level, but we certainly do understand enough to develop and implement systems TODAY based upon what we DO know. I would welcome the opportunity....with the millions of maufacturers in business today and the billions that are spent on the waste problem..to meet even one that has developed a safe, automated, end to end, aerobic composting system! Were this done, the market would be virtually without limit, we could stop building landfills, and our farms would be among the great benefactors! COMMENTS WELCOMED AS ALWAYS...FEEL FREE TO FORWARD -- Industrial - Commercial - Municipal - Agricultural - Community Waste Processing - Consulting Marketing & Distribution Services 7500 Spalding Lane, Atlanta, Georgia 30350 Ph/Fax 770-392-1313
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