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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Wed Oct  2 00:31 EDT 1996
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 22:42:14 -0500
Message-Id: <199610020342.AA10915@crcnis1.unl.edu>
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JOB ANNOUNCEMENT: Technical Services Representative (Jerome Pier <jpier@interramp.com>)



Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 08:41:37 -0700 From: Jerome Pier <jpier@interramp.com> Subject: JOB ANNOUNCEMENT: Technical Services Representative Position Announcement Technical Service Representative Netafim Irrigation, a leading manufacturer of drip irrigation equipment has an outstanding opportunity for a Technical Services Representative to be based in Fresno, California. In this position, the individual will provide technical support to Customer Service and field sales personnel as well as conducting various product research and evaluation functions. Individual will also play a key role in the production of technical publications. Associated duties will include product training and assisting in the development of product line marketing plans. The ideal candidate will possess: 7 Exceptional problem solving skills 7 Above average communication skills in both verbal and written form 7 Basic skill with MS Windows applications. Experience with CAD is desirable 7 Above average organizational skills 7 Ability to give presentations in a group setting 7 Strong desire to assist others 7 Background in fluid mechanics or hydraulics. Irrigation experience desired but not required Netafim Irrigation is an equal opportunity employer committed to providing an environment for personal growth and development. We offer an excellent benefit package and a stimulating team environment. Interested applicants should submit appropriate information to: Netafim Irrigation, Inc. Technical Services Position 4974 E Clinton Way, Suite 125 Fresno, CA 93727 Fax: (209) 453-6803 No phone calls please
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Wed Oct  2 23:55 EDT 1996
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 22:42:29 -0500
Message-Id: <199610030342.AA06797@crcnis1.unl.edu>
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Re: JOB ANNOUNCEMENT: Technical Services Representative (Farhad Fassihi <farhad@behzad.ntu.ac.uk>)



Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 18:37:27 +0100 From: Farhad Fassihi <farhad@behzad.ntu.ac.uk> Subject: Re: JOB ANNOUNCEMENT: Technical Services Representative Jerome Pier wrote: > > Position Announcement > Technical Service Representative > >Hi Jerome, I saw your message. I am currently a lecturer in Polymer process Engineering. I am a manufacturing engineer with background in electrical, Mechanical and polymer processing. I am interested in the problems faced in Drip Irrigation especially those encountered during manufacture of the relevant equipment. I am based at Nottingham-England. I am looking for something commercio-technical! in industry. Do I have a chance? Is your vacancy appropriate for someone like myself? What sort of a renumeration package is on offer?
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Thu Oct  3 23:55 EDT 1996
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 22:43:13 -0500
Message-Id: <199610040343.AA04467@crcnis1.unl.edu>
Subject: TRICKLE-L digest 608

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RECYCLE PVC ("KEVIN B. BRONSON" <103644.2426@CompuServe.COM>)
Re: RECYCLE PVC (Farhad Fassihi <farhad@behzad.ntu.ac.uk>)
unscribe (ccarter@gumbo.bae.lsu.edu (Cade Carter))
unsubscribe (jeetu@hsmpk12a-55.eng.sun.com (Jeetendra Jangle))
Re: RECYCLE PVC (flatman@ix.netcom.com (Rick Peeren))
unsubsribe (Doug Burch <"doug@clandjop.com"@clandjop.com>)



Date: 03 Oct 96 00:02:51 EDT From: "KEVIN B. BRONSON" <103644.2426@CompuServe.COM> Subject: RECYCLE PVC Trickle L Members: Does anyone know of a way to recycle used PVC pipe that has been pulled from the ground after an old sprinkler system has been abandoned? Is anyone recycling drip tape or drip hose? I have customers interested in reducing waste. Kevin Bronson Weimer Irrigation & Supply, Inc. 6061N Winton Way Winton, CA 95388 Voice (209)358-1443 Fax (209)358-1444
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 13:32:20 +0100 From: Farhad Fassihi <farhad@behzad.ntu.ac.uk> Subject: Re: RECYCLE PVC KEVIN B. BRONSON wrote: > > Trickle L Members: > > Does anyone know of a way to recycle used PVC pipe that has been pulled from the > ground after an old sprinkler system has been abandoned? Is anyone recycling > drip tape or drip hose? I have customers interested in reducing waste. > > This is an interesting question. There are a lot of people who are trying to make us believe that recycling is the only thing we could do with used plastics. Unfortunately most of these people are either politicians or social scientists! In order to recycle a material you need to know what is the end product and assess the suitability of the recycled material for your application. Let's assume you have done this already. Next, you need to collect them. That means usually send the tractors or workers on the ground to get them from the field. Use diesel fuel to transport them to the appropriate location. Spend energy(heat), water, chemicals(detergents) to clean it. Then if you are lucky and have dryers and shreders/granulators at the same site, get them through all these stages, before you can use them. As you can see, you are using a lot of energy (dare I say harming the environment!) to produce something that is low quality. The best possible use of such material is burning it to reclaim the thermal energy. Failing that and when it is a requirement to recycle these materials, certain things need to be considered. How far a field do you need to travel to collect your scraps? How much energy do you spend to separate scrap PVC from other contaminating substances. What range of material do you have to recycle, i.e. do you collect PE, PP and other materials when you are collecting the tubing as part of it How much in demand would your recycled material be at the end of your process. I am sure enough people in your neck of the woods will be to give you some help and advice. I hope this have been of some use. Farhad.
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 96 12:34:32 CDT From: ccarter@gumbo.bae.lsu.edu (Cade Carter) Subject: unscribe unsubscribe ccarter@gumbo.bae.lsu.edu
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 11:10:08 -0700 From: jeetu@hsmpk12a-55.eng.sun.com (Jeetendra Jangle) Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe jeetu@eng.sun.com
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 16:13:05 -0700 From: flatman@ix.netcom.com (Rick Peeren) Subject: Re: RECYCLE PVC You wrote: > >Trickle L Members: > >Does anyone know of a way to recycle used PVC pipe that has been pulled from the >ground after an old sprinkler system has been abandoned? Is anyone recycling >drip tape or drip hose? I have customers interested in reducing waste. > >Kevin Bronson >Weimer Irrigation & Supply, Inc. >6061N Winton Way >Winton, CA 95388 >Voice (209)358-1443 >Fax (209)358-1444 > >Kevin I heard that Bairos Recycling in Fresno might be recycling drip tape and tubing, but I am very unsure of PVC. Their number is 209-233-0922. Hope this helps. Rick Peeren IrriChem Sales
Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 22:23:57 -0700 From: Doug Burch <"doug@clandjop.com"@clandjop.com> Subject: unsubsribe unsubscribe doug@clandjop.com
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Sat Oct  5 00:00 EDT 1996
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 22:43:45 -0500
Message-Id: <199610050343.AA27303@crcnis1.unl.edu>
Subject: TRICKLE-L digest 609

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Job Posting (Ingvard Find <76421.145@CompuServe.COM>)



Date: 04 Oct 96 00:29:02 EDT From: Ingvard Find <76421.145@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Job Posting JOB OPENING POSITION: Irrigation Technical Marketing Specialist (International Ag Division) DIVISION: Rain Bird International, Inc. REPORTS TO: Ingvard Find, International Ag Brand Manager JOB DESCRIPTION: The Technical Marketing Specialist is responsible for assisting the International Brand Manager with technical product information, technical problem issues, and new product introduction. In addition, the person will organize promotional programs and coordinate NPD, market research and customer service on technical issues related to irrigation in global agricultural markets. JOB RESPONSIBILITIES: . Technical support for inside and outside sales staff and customers. -Provide technical support to field service, sales, marketing engineering and manufacturing. -Provide the market with technical product information and product updates. . Assist with strategic planning as related to direction and marketing plans. . Product presentation to sales force and customers. . Assist the SBU with development and management of product support materials. . Development of technical sales material and programs for the sales staff. MINIMUM QUALIFICATION: An undergraduate degree in engineering or agronomy with 2-5 years of technical sales, marketing or other business experience. A service minded person with ability to emphasize product quality. Strong verbal and written skills required. Skilled and familiar with MS Office, Pagemaker and other PC software. Willingness to travel as business develops. Ability to interface with people of various backgrounds and nationalities. Must be self-motivated and willing to take responsibility for projects and problem solving. DESIRABLE QUALIFICATIONS: Proficient in a foreign language (Spanish, French Mandarin or Japanese). International business or overseas living and working experience highly desirable. Previous irrigation experience in agriculture or related fields an advantage. Also a strong desire to advance into Product Management / Marketing Management. An advanced degree in business management or engineering preferred. OTHER INFORMATION: Submit resumes and applications to: Ingvard Find, Rain Bird International, Inc. Fax 818 963 4287, ASAP No phone calls please.
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Sat Oct  5 23:58 EDT 1996
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 22:44:27 -0500
Message-Id: <199610060344.AA06810@crcnis1.unl.edu>
Subject: TRICKLE-L digest 610

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GROUNDWATER Listserv (kenbannister@groundwater.com (Kenneth E. Bannister))
UNSUBSCRIBE Robert E. Chapman, Jr. ("Robert E. Chapman, Jr." <rchapman@bev.net>)



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Date: Sun, 06 Oct 1996 10:43:21 +0600 From: "Robert E. Chapman, Jr." <rchapman@bev.net> Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE Robert E. Chapman, Jr.
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Sun Oct  6 23:57 EDT 1996
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 22:45:03 -0500
Message-Id: <199610070345.AA19125@crcnis1.unl.edu>
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screen filters (robert bertollo <rbert@webfront.net.au>)
July and August archives are in (rmead@cybergate.com (Richard Mead))



Date: Sun, 6 Oct 1996 20:43:53 +1000 From: robert bertollo <rbert@webfront.net.au> Subject: screen filters Dear Subscribers, given that the water source is pure(clean) would someone like to comment on how the degree of filtration effects the head loss through a screen filter? how does this effect the flow rate? how do you determine an acceptable headloss through a screen filter? your thoughts on this would be very appreciated. Thanks Robert Bertollo Yenda AUSTRALIA
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 00:10:30 GMT From: rmead@cybergate.com (Richard Mead) Subject: July and August archives are in The "Readers Digest" version of Trickle-L for the July and August archives have been collected and placed on the Microirrigation Forum web site (http://www.cybergate.com/~rmead). Topics include: 1) Water Softener to reduce applied Ammonia 2) Ionization of water and vigor in grape vines 3) Drip questions for Kenya 4) Water savings through SDI ? 5) Using tensiometers and SDI in Hops 6) Emitter up or down? If you are new to Trickle-L or like viewing reruns, be sure to check out http://www.cybergate.com/~rmead/best.html Richard Mead Trickle-L and MF owner/manager
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Mon Oct  7 23:58 EDT 1996
Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 22:45:27 -0500
Message-Id: <199610080345.AA12504@crcnis1.unl.edu>
Subject: TRICKLE-L digest 612

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New set up (apnesbitt@juno.com (Andrew P Nesbitt))
Veggies on Dip in Western NY ("Craig A. Storlie" <storlie@AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU>)
UNSUBSCRIBE TRICKLE-L (jeetu@hsmpk12a-55.eng.sun.com (Jeetendra Jangle))
Re: screen filters (cburt@oboe.aix.calpoly.edu (Charles M. Burt))
Unsubscribe (Alan <apf3@ix.netcom.com>)



Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 07:46:55 EDT From: apnesbitt@juno.com (Andrew P Nesbitt) Subject: New set up I am planning on implementing a trickle irrigation system. I would like to put approx. 10 acres under dri in 1997. We plan on using the following system: ~ Raised bed system 6" beds with a 24 - 30" top ~ Twin rows ~ Drip tape down the center of beds ~ Crops grown Tomatoes Cucumbers Statice - (dried flower) ~ Small flowing stream is my water source In the summer the stream reaches 75 degrees Western NY location Questions Is this a viable use for drip irrigation? What is the cost per acre to set up? What is the recommended pump size? Would a watering of 2X per week be as much less effective tha daily as I have seen recommended? Andrew Nesbitt APNEsbitt@Juno.com
Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 11:08:13 -0400 From: "Craig A. Storlie" <storlie@AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU> Subject: Veggies on Dip in Western NY ------ =_NextPart_000_01BBB440.24A01C40 Andrew: I'll give quick answers here - be happy to talk on the phone if you = want more specifics (609-455-3100). Drip?: Yes, tomatoes do great in the northeast on mulched, raised beds = (in NJ, early cucumbers are usually grown on clear mulch, second = planting on black mulch, both on a flat bed). Yields are easily = doubled, and the factor can go much higher. In our humid region, the = principle benefit of mulch and raised beds is disease control and fruit = rot reduction. Weed control and spring soil warming also play a big = role. A simple drip fertilization program also will boosts yields = substantially. Irrigation Scheduling: I assume you are in a medium-textured soil (a = loam or a silt loam) in western NY, but I know there also are pockets of = both heavier and lighter soils in the region. Soil texture, OM content, = and CEC are important in determining fertigation needs and irrigation = scheduling. Got your fall soil test handy?=20 When your crops reach "full canopy" you will need to irrigate the = equivalent of 2-3 hours per day in July and August if rain is = insufficient and you are using a "high flow" (about 0.5 gpm/100 ft) = tape. However, there is no need to irrigate daily. Your soil probably = can hold "several days" worth of water in the top 18 inches. That is, = you probably only need to irrigate every 3rd, or 4th, or 5th day. Daily = irrigation recommendations from other location in the U.S. do not = necessarily apply in our region. In Florida, for example, many growers = irrigate daily and in some cases more than once daily because THEY MUST. = This is because they are growing in very coarse textured sands which = will not hold "one day's worth" of water in the plant root zone. Soil = mosture sensing devices (tensiometers and/or Watermark sensors) work = excellent in our humid region to help with scheduling. I highly = recommend spending a couple hundred dollars and getting a bunch. Cost?: Depending on the piping system and other components already on = hand, the type of drip system I envision you using will cost between = $500-1000 per acre (5' x 1.25-mil mulch runs around $200/ac and 8-mil = drip about $150/acre for 5-6 ft row spacing). Surface water will = probably require that you use sand-media primary filtration. Pump Size: With a stream as a source, you will likely invest in a = trailer mounted diesel turning a centrifugal pump. This is a very = common setup in NJ for surface water source drip irrigation. = Recommending a pump size is impossible w/o more info. If you were never = going to expand, pump size would be based on zone size (and thus, = required zone flow rate) and hydrualic considerations. A 0.5 gpm/100 ft = tape on 5-ft spaced beds will require about 44 gpm/acre. Commit to = buying tape and supplies from a reputable dealer and let them help you = with the desgn. If they balk, find another dealer. Enough for now - I still have peppers to pick! One last thing, = Andrew. Are you putting those tomatoes on stakes? Do it and watch your = size and quality double again. But maybe you should save that one for = 1998. Good luck. Craig Storlie Extension Specialist in Agricultural Engineering Rutgers University ---------- From: Andrew P Nesbitt[SMTP:apnesbitt@juno.com] Sent: Monday, October 07, 1996 7:37 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: New set up I am planning on implementing a trickle irrigation system. I would like to put approx. 10 acres under dri in 1997. We plan on using the following system: 7 ~ Raised bed system 6" beds with a 24 - 30" top ~ Twin rows ~ Drip tape down the center of beds ~ Crops grown Tomatoes Cucumbers Statice - (dried flower) ~ Small flowing stream is my water source In the summer the stream reaches 75 degrees Western NY location=20 Questions Is this a viable use for drip irrigation? What is the cost per acre to set up? What is the recommended pump size? Would a watering of 2X per week be as much less effective tha daily as I have seen recommended? 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Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 12:46:56 -0700 From: cburt@oboe.aix.calpoly.edu (Charles M. Burt) Subject: Re: screen filters >Dear Subscribers, >given that the water source is pure(clean) >would someone like to comment on how the degree of filtration effects the >head loss through a screen filter? how does this effect the flow rate? how >do you determine an acceptable headloss through a screen filter? > >your thoughts on this would be very appreciated. > >Thanks > >Robert Bertollo >Yenda >AUSTRALIA A clean screen filter should probably not have more than about 1-2 psi loss across it. That means that a fine mesh screen may need to be larger (sq. meters of filtration area) than a coarse mesh screen. Of course, the problem occurs when it gets dirty - that's what the pump needs to be sized for. The good manufacturers can provide graphs of flow rate vs. pressure drop, for various meshes and models of screens (when clean). There are a lot of different ideas about screen losses. I think most of us veterans think that screens should only be used in situations in which they won't get dirty - that is, they are typically very difficult to clean out, and should only be used for backup devices or in EXTREMELY clean conditions. Exceptions do exist such as the Thompson screen design which is exclusively for sand and is oversized. Charles M. Burt, P.E., Ph.D. Professor and Director Irrigation Training and Research Center (ITRC) BioResource and Agricultural Engineering Dept. California Polytechnic State University (Cal Poly) San Luis Obispo, CA 93407 ph: 805-756-2379 FAX: 805-756-2433 e-mail: cburt@oboe.calpoly.edu
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Re: screen filters (Steve Jordan <sjordan@seldon.terminus.com>)
drip management (henri@ilink.nis.za)
Re: screen filters (Wally Menke <wallym@ozemail.com.au>)
Unsubscribe (Dan Scaliter <dan_scaliter@eee.org>)
Re: drip management (Jed Waddell <wadde002@maroon.tc.umn.edu>)
Re: drip management (Irrometer@aol.com)
Re: screen filters (ges@owt.com (Marty Grogan))
Re: screen filter headache (robert bertollo <rbert@webfront.net.au>)
RE: drip management ("Craig A. Storlie" <storlie@AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU>)
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Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 13:39:00 -0700 From: Steve Jordan <sjordan@seldon.terminus.com> Subject: Re: screen filters >>given that the water source is pure(clean) >>would someone like to comment on how the degree of filtration effects the >>head loss through a screen filter? how does this effect the flow rate? how >>do you determine an acceptable headloss through a screen filter? >A clean screen filter should probably not have more than about 1-2 psi loss >across it. That means that a fine mesh screen may need to be larger (sq. >meters of filtration area) than a coarse mesh screen. Of course, the >problem occurs when it gets dirty - that's what the pump needs to be sized >for. The good manufacturers can provide graphs of flow rate vs. pressure >drop, for various meshes and models of screens (when clean). > >There are a lot of different ideas about screen losses. I think most of us >veterans think that screens should only be used in situations in which they >won't get dirty - that is, they are typically very difficult to clean out, >and should only be used for backup devices or in EXTREMELY clean >conditions. Exceptions do exist such as the Thompson screen design which >is exclusively for sand and is oversized. > > Several growers are using the Amiad screen filter. It has a way to automatically clean or easily manually clean. It is more compact than the sand media. I never really considered them because they were priced the same as sand media and (amateur opinion coming) inferior. Inferior? I have been told that the sand medias have several faults, but supply the greatest filter area and do the best on organics. In the automated system, there are screens sold as backup to catastrophic media failure. I have considered that (and pressure sustaining), but have not added them to our installations. Steve Jordan- Artichoke Evangelist, Wetland manager
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 10:57:26 GMT From: henri@ilink.nis.za Subject: drip management Hi All, Has anyone Practical experience (successful or otherwise) of, or ideas on, the best Economical means of Managing and Monitorinng the daily two-dimensional flux of water under drippers in a sandy (orchard) soil? Aim : Water saving through optimum uptake and minimum losses.
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 21:52:20 +1000 (EST) From: Wally Menke <wallym@ozemail.com.au> Subject: Re: screen filters At 05:37 AM 6/10/96 -0500, you wrote: >Dear Subscribers, >given that the water source is pure(clean) >would someone like to comment on how the degree of filtration effects the >head loss through a screen filter? how does this effect the flow rate? how >do you determine an acceptable headloss through a screen filter? >your thoughts on this would be very appreciated. > >Thanks > >Robert Bertollo >Yenda >AUSTRALIA Dear Robert Your above question has a simple answer. Generally the degree of filtration of a screen filter has a small effect on the head loss across a CLEAN screen filter. If you look at various mesh manufacturers literature (and this may vary) you will find that from 40 - 200 mesh (400-80 micron) the actual open surface area of the mesh varies very little from say 31-34 % depending on the weave configuration. What happens is that as the aperture size decreases so does the wire size used to make the mesh. As you have more apertures with a finer mesh then the resistance will increase a bit. Generally the most head loss through a filter is caused by the changes in direction that the water goes through in the filter body itself, and not the actual clean screen. What does vary naturally is the amount of dirt you'll collect on the screen, and this will depend on the water source. For example, I have had experience from Murray River water where at 200 mesh (80 micron) an automatic FILTOMAT filter will be flushing every 3 minutes, the same filter after changing the screen to 150 mesh (100 micron) flushes every 30 minutes!. So it depends a lot on what your application is, if its for drip (150 mesh) go for a filter with a larger screen surface area than you would if you were using undertree sprinklers (80 mesh) as the level of filtration will be finer and the cleaning of the filter more frequent. BEWARE though when comparing different manufactureres of filters as (unfortunately) there is no set standard for measuring the area on a screen filter. Some manufacturers use the term "Filter Area", which is actually the area of the total screen cylinder including all the support structure and sealing rings, and has no real relavence to the filter performance. In our case we use the term "Screen Area", which is the actual effective mesh area available on the screen for filtration. The acceptable design head loss for a screen filter with a clean screen that I work to with our FILTOMAT range of filters is 3 psi or 20 kPa. Head loss charts are available from us for our filters, in our case they are conservative, other manufacturers no doubt have their own. If your talking automatic filters the head loss before backwashing will be an extra 5-6 psi (adjustable) on top of this. I have customers that exceed this but the higher the head loss the greater the energy/power loss, short term gain = long term pain $. Note that we have many of our filters in your area working for many years. If you need any specific advice or literature contact me direct. Wally Menke, Triangle Filtration, Melbourne, Australia. Ph 03 9580 2122, Fax 03 9580 3131
Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 07:36:58 +0000 From: Dan Scaliter <dan_scaliter@eee.org> Subject: Unsubscribe unsubscribe dan_scaliter@eee.org
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 96 12:45:11 -0500 From: Jed Waddell <wadde002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Subject: Re: drip management At 03:45 AM 10/8/96 -0500, you wrote: >Hi All, >Has anyone Practical experience (successful or otherwise) of, or ideas on, >the best Economical means of Managing and Monitorinng the daily >two-dimensional flux of water under drippers in a sandy (orchard) soil? >Aim : Water saving through optimum uptake and minimum losses. > For the past two years I have been measuring the matric potential at two depths (50 and 100 cm) under potato in the central sands of Minnesota. Because of the hills created in potato production I placed tensiometers directly under the hill and the furrow positions. With the matric potential I can find the hydraulic gradient and multiply by the hydraulic conductivity to get the flux. I determined the hydraulic conductivity from the average matric potential. As far as economics, tensiometers are cheap compared to the pressure transducers and a data logger. Pressure transducers range in price but I used Soil Moisture's version which cost about $250 for one. In my opinion these are the best transducers because one calibration can be used for years. Other cheaper transducers require annual or monthly calibrations. My collegue used TDR to measure water distribution in a fine grid under the potato hill. This method has high initial cost but is relatively cost free after purchased. We also used neutron probe tubes placed in the hill. These have a sphere of influence about 20 cm or so. Once tubes are in place you can read them as often as you want but is not practical for hourly measurements. We used them for weekly measurements. Because of the radiation saftey procedures, neutron probes are a hassle but you could probably find one fairly cheap. Ours are old and have been around for years I don't know how much they cost. Hope this information helps, Jed **************************************************** * Jed T. Waddell * * Graduate Research Assistant * * University of Minnesota * * Department of Soil, Water, and Climate * * St. Paul, MN 55108 * * office (612) 625-1968 * * fax (612) 625-2208 * ****************************************************
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 14:28:07 -0400 From: Irrometer@aol.com Subject: Re: drip management In a message dated 96-10-08 05:05:02 EDT, you write: >Hi All, >Has anyone Practical experience (successful or otherwise) of, or ideas on, >the best Economical means of Managing and Monitorinng the daily >two-dimensional flux of water under drippers in a sandy (orchard) soil? >Aim : Water saving through optimum uptake and minimum losses. > > Try monitoring the soil moisture status with tensiometers appropriately placed in the active root system and the area typically encompassed by the suggested wetted "onion" for the specific crop root system. Regards, Bill Pogue
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 11:45:40 -0700 From: ges@owt.com (Marty Grogan) Subject: Re: screen filters >Dear Subscribers, >given that the water source is pure(clean) >would someone like to comment on how the degree of filtration effects the >head loss through a screen filter? how does this effect the flow rate? how >do you determine an acceptable headloss through a screen filter? > >your thoughts on this would be very appreciated. > >Thanks > >Robert Bertollo >Yenda >AUSTRALIA > > Head loss can be approximated for slow flow rates using the specifications provided by filter manufacturers. One form of calculation would be: delP = Cv * Q delP - Head loss, Cv - filter coef., Q - flow rate The units must be consistent to obtain useful results. The amount of loss acceptable depends on overall system requirements--1% is probably OK. 10% would be much too much. Other factors, i.e., the mechanical construction of the filter and blockage ratios, also become important. More loss means bigger pumps and pipes, e.g., more expensive, to deliver the same amount of water.
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 06:23:28 +1000 From: robert bertollo <rbert@webfront.net.au> Subject: Re: screen filter headache At 11:55 PM 10/7/96 -0500, you wrote: >>>given that the water source is pure(clean) >>>would someone like to comment on how the degree of filtration effects the >>>head loss through a screen filter? how does this effect the flow rate? how >>>do you determine an acceptable headloss through a screen filter? > >>A clean screen filter should probably not have more than about 1-2 psi loss >>across it. That means that a fine mesh screen may need to be larger (sq. >>meters of filtration area) than a coarse mesh screen. Of course, the >>problem occurs when it gets dirty - that's what the pump needs to be sized >>for. The good manufacturers can provide graphs of flow rate vs. pressure >>drop, for various meshes and models of screens (when clean). >> >>There are a lot of different ideas about screen losses. I think most of us >>veterans think that screens should only be used in situations in which they >>won't get dirty - that is, they are typically very difficult to clean out, >>and should only be used for backup devices or in EXTREMELY clean >>conditions. Exceptions do exist such as the Thompson screen design which >>is exclusively for sand and is oversized. >> >> > >Several growers are using the Amiad screen filter. It has a way to >automatically clean or easily manually clean. It is more compact than the >sand media. I never really considered them because they were priced the >same as sand media and (amateur opinion coming) inferior. > >Inferior? I have been told that the sand medias have several faults, but >supply the greatest filter area and do the best on organics. > >In the automated system, there are screens sold as backup to catastrophic >media failure. I have considered that (and pressure sustaining), but have >not added them to our installations. >Steve Jordan- Artichoke Evangelist, Wetland manager > > > Thanyou Charles,Steve & Wally for your thoughts on screen filters What type of back up filter should be used when the main filter is a screen filter (Automatic cleanning Amiad etc) , Would a different type of back up filter be suggetsted? Do you think it is bad practice to have both main and backup as screen filters? I have a 100micron (155 mesh) screen in the main filter(self cleanning) but I am not sure what degree of filtration would be suitable as backup(manual cleanning)? Given clean water.My main screen filter has 6.5-7 psi head loss through the filter when demanding 340cuM/hr (1530 USgpm), my screen size is 6000sq.cm (930sq.in). But when I halve the flow rate the head loss is only 2 psi. by doubling my screen size would it halve my head loss.I have always had concerns with this high head loss , the filter appears undersized for the higher flow rate, is this correct? Wally , I checked the spec's and the Manufacturer does say "filter area"?! Thankyou Robert Bertollo YENDA Australia
Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 10:25:43 -0400 From: "Craig A. Storlie" <storlie@AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU> Subject: RE: drip management ------ =_NextPart_000_01BBB53A.23933080 "henri": Are you managing water or doing research (or both)? I buried = Watermarks in a 2-D plane under a tape in a sandy loam and recorded = "fluxes" with a Cambell datalogger - worked quite well. I wrote an ASAE = paper if you are interested. Craig Storlie Extension Specialist in Agricultural Engineering Rutgers University ---------- From: henri@ilink.nis.za[SMTP:henri@ilink.nis.za] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 1996 4:50 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: drip management Hi All, Has anyone Practical experience (successful or otherwise) of, or ideas = on, the best Economical means of Managing and Monitorinng the daily two-dimensional flux of water under drippers in a sandy (orchard) soil? Aim : Water saving through optimum uptake and minimum losses. ------ =_NextPart_000_01BBB53A.23933080 eJ8+IjsUAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAENgAQAAgAAAAIAAgABBJAG ABABAAABAAAADAAAAAMAADADAAAACwAPDgAAAAACAf8PAQAAAEEAAAAAAAAAgSsfpL6jEBmdbgDd AQ9UAgAAAAB0cmlja2xlLWxAdW5sLmVkdQBTTVRQAHRyaWNrbGUtbEB1bmwuZWR1AAAAAB4AAjAB AAAABQAAAFNNVFAAAAAAHgADMAEAAAASAAAAdHJpY2tsZS1sQHVubC5lZHUAAAADABUMAQAAAAMA /g8GAAAAHgABMAEAAAAUAAAAJ3RyaWNrbGUtbEB1bmwuZWR1JwACAQswAQAAABcAAABTTVRQOlRS SUNLTEUtTEBVTkwuRURVAAADAAA5AAAAAAsAQDoBAAAAAgH2DwEAAAAEAAAAAAAAA6QuAQiABwAY AAAASVBNLk1pY3Jvc29mdCBNYWlsLk5vdGUAMQgBBIABABQAAABSRTogZHJpcCBtYW5hZ2VtZW50 AN0GAQWAAwAOAAAAzAcKAAgACgAZACsAAgA1AQEggAMADgAAAMwHCgAIAAoAFAAcAAIAIQEBCYAB ACEAAAAyNEFENkM3NEY1MjBEMDExQjlCNjQ0NDU1MzU0MDAwMADXBgEDkAYA7AQAABIAAAALACMA AAAAAAMAJgAAAAAACwApAAAAAAADADYAAAAAAEAAOQCg9fqWJLW7AR4AcAABAAAAFAAAAFJFOiBk cmlwIG1hbmFnZW1lbnQAAgFxAAEAAAAWAAAAAbu1JJbzdGytJSD1EdC5tkRFU1QAAAAAHgAeDAEA AAAFAAAAU01UUAAAAAAeAB8MAQAAABoAAABzdG9ybGllQGFlc29wLnJ1dGdlcnMuZWR1AAAAAwAG ENDBeuUDAAcQfAIAAB4ACBABAAAAZQAAACJIRU5SSSI6QVJFWU9VTUFOQUdJTkdXQVRFUk9SRE9J TkdSRVNFQVJDSChPUkJPVEgpP0lCVVJJRURXQVRFUk1BUktTSU5BMi1EUExBTkVVTkRFUkFUQVBF SU5BU0FORFlMT0EAAAAAAgEJEAEAAABwAwAAbAMAALgFAABMWkZ134A4df8ACgEPAhUCqAXrAoMA UALyCQIAY2gKwHNldDI3BgAGwwKDMgPFAgBwckJxEeJzdGVtAoMzdwLkBxMCgH0KgAjPCdk78RYP MjU1AoAKgQ2xC2DgbmcxMDMUUAsKFFHFC/JjAEAgImgJ8AUQPCI6CoUKhgGRFLFlIEp5CGAgA4Fh ZwuAZzggd2ET0AXABbFkb58dchYQEbAKwBFwICgFsQEG4HRoKT8gIEljH2AIcmQgVx3CAMByBmsE IAuAIGEgMi2URCALUW4cwHVuBIFbIVEBkHAcwCEzcwBwZOR5IBWgYW0hUCIwHpGXBaENsCBgIhjg dXgHkFoiHaBpH5AhUUMjwGI0ZWwDIGQdwAdAb2daZx3hLR2gBbBrIFFxVnUlYBzAdyYBLh/Sd4cD YCexA5FBU0FFIbD/IrEFwAaQHNMKwCLSHdEHkMkT0GQuG3xDcgtwHZA0U3QFsGwIkAqFRXjfE9AA gQIgBgAiwGMHMQQACwVAITFBCcBpY3Vs/nQIcAdALSAZEAuACeAFEGMZEAqFUnV0JrEEIFXtAwB2 MOElYHkbfQsDLJAIMTgwAtFpLTE0njQN8AzQM6MLWTE2CqD1KIJjBUAtNccKhzR7DDD1NUZGA2E6 Ns41RhxTGwMmQAMQC4BrLgMAcy4AemFbU01UUDr5Oo9hXTZvN30GYAIwOK8VObtUClBzJkB5LCCa TzWQbyXwBcAwOEHAADE5OTYgNDo1mjAUsE09Pzd9VG8/f+05u00vAQUgbBzAJDEFIPcIkAIwBCBv KcAuMkNvPk64dWJqNYFFjzm7ZAURnx0UE+A/QTHPMtMzNjRHsxpFNUZIaRSwJhAsCoW8SGEEIABw HOAh8VAsAGc1kC7gL1FleClxSEFjYRzAKHN1Y1QABBBmny8AHgIfgQSQA/FlKUiR+0HABbFpDbBS QQIgUbZVMe8fYCqxLSAFoG4DcFMzB4DbBiJIoU0dNiPyTQIgJWB/BbALgB2BV0ImQAMQMbZ0+ScQ LWQHcS1zL1Ek0kiS/x20IiRNYilxIRUjRB8xEXJKZFWwcx5QbD8KhUHdB3AgS4AggyMxdh1yH5Bp A2B1Zx8QbwUwB3B19SPQdQUwYSdAI+NYIAMA/2JyFaAEEAeQKw1Oz0/fNVULCoUVMQBocAMAEBAA AAAAAwAREAEAAABAAAcwAN6r2iO1uwFAAAgwAN6r2iO1uwEeAD0AAQAAAAUAAABSRTogAAAAAFNh ------ =_NextPart_000_01BBB53A.23933080--
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Re: screen filter headache (Donbened@aol.com)
Media vs. screen??? ("Craig A. Storlie" <storlie@AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU>)
 (tww1@cornell.edu (Thomas W. Walters))
drip management replies (henri@ilink.nis.za)
Screen filters (cburt@oboe.aix.calpoly.edu (Charles M. Burt))
Asparagus (Robert Carian <grapegrower@earthlink.net>)
Re:       unsubscribe (biotech@rain.org)
Managing and Monitoring Flux of Water (Irrometer@aol.com)
Re: Asparagus (Jerome Pier <jpier@mindspring.com>)
Re: Asparagus (GroAire@aol.com)
Re: screen filter headache (Wally Menke <wallym@ozemail.com.au>)
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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 02:18:52 -0400 From: Donbened@aol.com Subject: Re: screen filter headache Dear Robert, Given that you have indicated 930 sq. in. of filter area, I assume that you are using the Amiad SAF filter. In my experience in filtering canal and reservoir water with the SAF, the maximum flow that you should work with on a 130 micron screen is about 900 gpm. I derive this number from the various applications that we have specified in central California using district canal water. You are correct in concluding that the SAF is undersized for 1500 gpm. I recommend using the EBS filter with a filter area of 1550 sq. in. We can accomodate canal water with flows of up to 1900 gpm. using this filter. You can obtain head loss information and other specifications from Amiad Australia. If you would like some references as to the efficacy of the Amiad line of automatic filters, I would be happy to send you a list on personal E-mail. In response, to the generalization that screen filters should be used only for EXTREMELY clean water -- I can only say that Amiad would not be in business if we were not able to offer primary filtration for ALL levels of water quality. Don Benedict Amiad U.S.A.
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 11:26:19 -0400 From: "Craig A. Storlie" <storlie@AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU> Subject: Media vs. screen??? ------ =_NextPart_000_01BBB5D4.B43E5A20 All: I don't recall our group holding a discussion along this line before so = I will pose a question: Can the self cleaning screen filters (SCSF) = function under conditions of high organic matter (algae, aquatic "weeds" = and animals) as well as media filters? =20 My limited experience with SCSF's suggests that they may fail under = adverse conditions, especially if hit with a slug of OM which can occur, = for example, upon system start. However, my experience with SCSF's is = VERY LIMITED. One-half of the water used for drip in NJ is surface = water. Many stagnent ponds become very "challenging" to use as a drip = source by mid-August. Media filtration is used to clean ~99% of the = surface waters used for drip in NJ. =20 Please comment on SCSF vs. media in terms of cost, failure potential, = maintenance, etc. Thanks All, Craig Storlie Extension Specialist in Agricultural Engineering Rutgers University ------ =_NextPart_000_01BBB5D4.B43E5A20 eJ8+IhgPAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAENgAQAAgAAAAIAAgABBJAG ABABAAABAAAADAAAAAMAADAFAAAACwAPDgAAAAACAf8PAQAAAEEAAAAAAAAAgSsfpL6jEBmdbgDd AQ9UAgAAAAB0cmlja2xlLWxAdW5sLmVkdQBTTVRQAHRyaWNrbGUtbEB1bmwuZWR1AAAAAB4AAjAB AAAABQAAAFNNVFAAAAAAHgADMAEAAAASAAAAdHJpY2tsZS1sQHVubC5lZHUAAAADABUMAQAAAAMA /g8GAAAAHgABMAEAAAAUAAAAJ3RyaWNrbGUtbEB1bmwuZWR1JwACAQswAQAAABcAAABTTVRQOlRS SUNLTEUtTEBVTkwuRURVAAADAAA5AAAAAAsAQDoBAAAAAgH2DwEAAAAEAAAAAAAABaguAQiABwAY AAAASVBNLk1pY3Jvc29mdCBNYWlsLk5vdGUAMQgBBIABABQAAABNZWRpYSB2cy4gc2NyZWVuPz8/ AHQGAQWAAwAOAAAAzAcKAAkACwAaABMAAwAhAQEggAMADgAAAMwHCgAJAAsAGgATAAMAIQEBCYAB ACEAAAAxMzg5N0Y3RUJDMjFEMDExQjlCNjQ0NDU1MzU0MDAwMADhBgEDkAYA8AQAABIAAAALACMA AAAAAAMAJgAAAAAACwApAAAAAAADADYAAAAAAEAAOQBgBY849rW7AR4AcAABAAAAFAAAAE1lZGlh IHZzLiBzY3JlZW4/Pz8AAgFxAAEAAAAWAAAAAbu19jiHp+KfxCHHEdC5tkRFU1QAAAAAHgAeDAEA AAAFAAAAU01UUAAAAAAeAB8MAQAAABoAAABzdG9ybGllQGFlc29wLnJ1dGdlcnMuZWR1AAAAAwAG ECs1vt8DAAcQ3QIAAB4ACBABAAAAZQAAAEFMTDpJRE9OVFJFQ0FMTE9VUkdST1VQSE9MRElOR0FE SVNDVVNTSU9OQUxPTkdUSElTTElORUJFRk9SRVNPSVdJTExQT1NFQVFVRVNUSU9OOkNBTlRIRVNF TEZDTEVBTklOR1MAAAAAAgEJEAEAAAB2AwAAcgMAAMYEAABMWkZ1KkXKEf8ACgEPAhUCqAXrAoMA UALyCQIAY2gKwHNldDI3BgAGwwKDMgPFAgBwckJxEeJzdGVtAoMzdwLkBxMCgH0KgAjPCdk78RYP MjU1AoAKgQ2xC2DgbmcxMDMUUAsKFFHjC/EUsGxsOgqFCoYBkdAgSSBkAiAnBUAWEG5jB0ADIAhh IAnACGBwFCBoBvBkC4BnIGHTHDAEAGN1BBBpAiAeIJMVoB4BdGgEACBsC4A4ZSBiDcAFsB/gc29n HBED8BzhcG8RsB4hcYcKUBPAHsE6ICBDA5EDH2AgUWVsZiBjbJ5lAHAd8gTxCeEgZgMQAxPQEaAg KFNDU0aiKSPwdW5jIcIgJQC/BIEi8AIgHeAhwgQgbyLgSR9wZ2gdAHJnIzFjbiAAwAJAJbEoB0An MGWeLB4gIYAnoCdhIncJ4PhkcyIeICWQKXEHcAdA+nMk0GEEICkQHOEqUQeAdx3gHjAkBT8iEBr/ HABNGnkfoW0mIAmAIGV49nAGcQnwYx/gA/AfYAYAhSShJwQgc3VnZyGhfwQgH2AnoCJiLUAAwC1A ZscLcAMgJYRhZHYkQR/gryXoKGAHkC4AYwcxbC1A3waQJrEFQC6THjBzCkAeEPkmkU9NILAfcBFw IvADkXRvYx6AcihgICEt0WHebQtQKFEdgB7RcxOzIGDLAZAAIC4iEEhvKRAxkT0oYG0tQC3vLvQf gVZFAFJZIExJTUlU1EVEN+FPH9AtEYAi0fsmkSJydyegJbEekC2xNgLOZAURM1ADoE5KOjIvUN5y MMAuYjxyN+FNAHAtQP03kWcf0AIwIQElkAQgIADbBaAHgCAxkS1AIhFxGsDtCfBnHfEpYHQggDzB KkJfHjE9YiBwCHAuYWIwYWm4ZC1BL2AekDfSTSsXfnIosR7RH4E8w0IRIwMg8H45OSU75j47RbU9 HLc34SwPHABQIxExw20HgO8/4R7RJJJA0HM34CsEPaH9JDFtJnMFoBPANeEw0Qhw/x/gIRAT0AIw BzE4gQtxTsFHAHAuYDKRdGMuScxUWRGAbmsEIBqxLEnMQ69FMCbQBgBCEHIfsGUKhexFeE7BHrNT MtQEAAVA7T2hQQnAJ2B1JCAIcAdAP1QAQaIJ4AUQGRAKhVJ1dnQvgCRRVQMAMZImIHkLCoUVMQBZ UAAAAwAQEAAAAAADABEQAAAAAEAABzCg8AGM67W7AUAACDAgLZg49rW7AR4APQABAAAAAQAAAAAA AABeZw== ------ =_NextPart_000_01BBB5D4.B43E5A20--
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:39:14 -0500 From: tww1@cornell.edu (Thomas W. Walters) Subject: unsubscribe tww1@cornell.edu Thomas W. Walters Cornell University Department of Fruit and Vegetable Science 157 Plant Science Building Ithaca, NY 14853-5908 (607)255-2493 tww1@cornell.edu
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 19:40:44 GMT From: henri@ilink.nis.za Subject: drip management replies My very grateful thanks to the following List members who kindly answered my questions yesterday : Dave Scott Jed Waddell Rick Allen Craig A Storlie Robert Phene Tony Thomson Jos Balendonck Bill Pogue Jack Hillen The responses from Australia, South Africa the USA and The Netherlands indicate the usefulness of the List. Thanks Richard! Must now get down to studying the information received.
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 10:47:47 -0700 From: cburt@oboe.aix.calpoly.edu (Charles M. Burt) Subject: Screen filters I noticed the note by Don Benedict of AMIAD, and it's obvious that I need to clarify my comments about screens. My comments were directly soley towards typical tubular screens, not towards the type that AMIAD sells. I don't think of the AMIAD units under the "screen" category, although they have a screen inside of them. One look at the mechanism of self-cleaning, and the construction of the screens themselves within the AMIAD unit, removes them from the standard screen discussions. Two big disadvantages of standard screens are eliminated with the AMIAD design - (1) the small surface area is compensated for by automatic self-cleaning, so the surface area does not need to hold and store large amounts of contaminants, and (2) the flushing mechanism is unique, localized, and effective. Most screens are difficult to clean because they require some type of throughflush or manual removal. Charles M. Burt, P.E., Ph.D. Professor and Director Irrigation Training and Research Center (ITRC) BioResource and Agricultural Engineering Dept. California Polytechnic State University (Cal Poly) San Luis Obispo, CA 93407 ph: 805-756-2379 FAX: 805-756-2433 e-mail: cburt@oboe.calpoly.edu
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 96 14:11:50 -0000 From: Robert Carian <grapegrower@earthlink.net> Subject: Asparagus Does anyone out there have experience with growing asparagus on drip. If so, what type of lines, emmitters, etc. are you using. I want to grow @8 acres organically in Mex. thanks
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:12:02 -0700 (PDT) From: biotech@rain.org Subject: Re: unsubscribe unsubscribe biotech@rain.org
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:31:18 -0400 From: Irrometer@aol.com Subject: Managing and Monitoring Flux of Water You may be interested in the use of the Watermark Soil Moisture Sensor as used in a paper entitled "Placement of Soil Moisture Sensors in Sprinkler Irrigated Potatoes", by Tim Stieber and Clinton Shock (American Potato Journal, 1995, pp. 533-543). Shock can be reached via: mesosu@ primenet.com or you can check out the home page of Oregon State University Malheur Experiment Station under Granular Matrix Sensors for additional references in both agriculture and landscape environmnets: http://www.primenet. com/~mesosu/ Regards, Bill Pogue
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 15:02:53 -0700 From: Jerome Pier <jpier@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Asparagus Robert Carian wrote: > > Does anyone out there have experience with growing asparagus on drip. If > so, what type of lines, emmitters, etc. are you using. I want to grow @8 > acres organically in Mex. > thanks Dear Robert, There are several large growers on the west side of the San Joaquin Valley in CA who are using Netafim Python 0.13 mil dripperline buried 10-12" on 40" beds. Steve Smith of Turlock Fruit has had very good sucess with transplanting crowns. You will have to apply regular doses of N-pHuric or some other acid to prevent root intrusion during the late fall and winter when your irrigation applications will be infrequent (assuming the use of acid is kosher with the organic certification board; I presume that the use of Trifluralin is a no-no!). Asparagus has an agressive, fibrous root system. If you cannot chemigate to prevent root intrusion, then you must make sure that you irrigate even during the off-season to maintain moisture about the emitters. I can find more information if you are interested.
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 21:03:58 -0400 From: GroAire@aol.com Subject: Re: Asparagus I have a client in Nebraska who has had 5 years experience growing asparagus over buried drip with using the same system for injection of atmospheric air into the root zone. I design and sell both types of systems. I also have 25 years of experience in designing all phases of irrigation from gated pipe to center pivot with an emphasis in the last 10 years on buried drip for injection of water and air. 90% of all my growers are organic growers because of the benefits of air injection. I'm currently in the design phase for a 1 million square foot greenhouse for growing organic tomatoes using the technology for a group of investors from Denver, Colorado. I have plots of rasberries in Washington, vegetables in Wisconsin, Vegetables in Colorado, Vegetables in Nebraska, Purple coneflower in North Dakota, and Greenhouses in Missouri, Nebraska, & Colorado. How may I be of service? Dave Enyeart Senior Engineer GroAire Irrigation Inc 303-650-0472 GroAire@aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 11:26:40 +1000 (EST) From: Wally Menke <wallym@ozemail.com.au> Subject: Re: screen filter headache >Thanyou Charles,Steve & Wally for your thoughts on screen filters >What type of back up filter should be used when the main filter is a screen >filter (Automatic cleanning Amiad etc) , Would a different type of back up >filter be suggetsted? Do you think it is bad practice to have both main and >backup as screen filters? I have a 100micron (155 mesh) screen in the main >filter(self cleanning) but I am not sure what degree of filtration would be >suitable as backup(manual cleanning)? >Given clean water.My main screen filter has 6.5-7 psi head loss through the >filter when demanding 340cuM/hr (1530 USgpm), my screen size is 6000sq.cm >(930sq.in). But when I halve the flow rate the head loss is only 2 psi. >by doubling my screen size would it halve my head loss.I have always had >concerns with this high head loss , the filter appears undersized for the >higher flow rate, is this correct? Wally , I checked the spec's and the >Manufacturer does say "filter area"?! > > >Thankyou > >Robert Bertollo >YENDA >Australia Dear Robert & Others It depend on what inlet/outlet you have fitted on this filter, I assume it would be 8", but for this flow I would suggest 10", and that this head loss on a clean screen is too high from a design point of view, and will cost you in power bills. I think possibly a case of a manufacturer being optimistic about its figures?, as according to Amiad brochure for 8" SAF head loss at 340 m3/hr flow is listed at about 2.2 psi or 15 kPa. The screen or "filter area" should be adaquate your main loss will be across the body, As a rule of thumb if the filter is backwashing at 15 minutes + intervals its OK. In my opinion all drip systems should be fitted with a manually cleaning back-up filters fitted at ALL field valves, (where the sub-main starts) no matter what filter you've got at the head of the system. (Its amazing how many people don't follow this advice for the sake of saving a few $), you could call it an insurance policy, something you don't need until a disaster happens - like a burst main line, a failure in the main filters (no matter what type or brand), or on the seasons first start-up where all sorts of coagulated material and things that have grown in the lines come out. Media filters should have back up filters straight after them as well in case of internal failure, dumps the media into the system. The mesh size should be 80-120 mesh depending on what drippers you've got, if your using Plastro stick with 120. The type can be disc or screen again depending on your personal preference. Regarding the subject of screen vs media filter performance, there is now a filter the MCFM Filtomat which can handle just about any bad water, organics situation. We have units here running on primary settled sewage water with 250 mesh/50 micron filtration level running at 1030 usgpm, and even running in paper mills on white water. In fact in Israel Kibuttz Naan have 3 of these units on there own internal irrigation system that runs on treated effluent. These replaced their previous filtration system that consisted of 14 x 36" media filters. They find then easier to run and maintain. On Steves comment about pressure sustaining valves. Virtually any extensive system should be fitted with one after your main filters. This will control the flow going through your filters more evenly on start-up. If you take a long time to build up pressure on start up the velocity of water going through the filters can potentially cause a bit of grief no matter what filters you've got. The other factors are that the pumps could be screaming off their curves and cavitating, and water hammer/surges downstream as the lines fill up with a full on flow. Cheers Wally Menke - Triangle Filtration - Melb, Aust.
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Re: Asparagus(GroAire) ("David S. Ross" <dr27@umail.umd.edu>)
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 08:33:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "David S. Ross" <dr27@umail.umd.edu> Subject: Re: Asparagus(GroAire) GroAire, at the risk of learning something new, I would invite you to give an overview on what you are doing with air injection - soil conditions, amount of air, benefits, system requirements, etc. David Ross, Maryland At 08:01 PM 10/9/96 -0500, GroAire@aol.com wrote: >I have a client in Nebraska who has had 5 years experience growing asparagus >over buried drip with using the same system for injection of atmospheric air >into the root zone. I design and sell both types of systems. I also have 25 >years of experience in designing all phases of irrigation from gated pipe to >center pivot with an emphasis in the last 10 years on buried drip for >injection of water and air. 90% of all my growers are organic growers >because of the benefits of air injection. I'm currently in the design phase >for a 1 million square foot greenhouse for growing organic tomatoes using the >technology for a group of investors from Denver, Colorado. I have plots of >rasberries in Washington, vegetables in Wisconsin, Vegetables in Colorado, >Vegetables in Nebraska, Purple coneflower in North Dakota, and Greenhouses in >Missouri, Nebraska, & Colorado. How may I be of service? > >Dave Enyeart >Senior Engineer >GroAire Irrigation Inc >303-650-0472 >GroAire@aol.com > ............................................................................ Dr. David S. Ross 301-405-1188 office Extension Agricultural Engineer 301-498-2234 home Dept. of Biological Resources Engineering 301-314-9023 office fax University of Maryland 301-405-1198 Dept. College Park, Maryland 20742-5711 dr27@umail.umd.edu NOTE: new department name 3/28/96 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>..........................................<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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Re: TRICKLE-L digest 604 (TPiatkowsk@aol.com)
RE: drip management (Stefano Ferraris <ferraris@lewy.dmsa.unipd.it>)
Air injection ("Dirk Keeler" <Dirk@zianet.com>)
 (Alan <apf3@ix.netcom.com>)
Re: Air injection(Ross) ("David S. Ross" <dr27@umail.umd.edu>)
A new member from Florida (Richard Mead <rmead@asrr.arsusda.gov>)



Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 01:03:00 -0400 From: TPiatkowsk@aol.com Subject: Re: TRICKLE-L digest 604 To J. D. Oster, I am sending you the information by mail. I apologize for the delay, I was out of town and way behind on my e-mail. Tom
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 09:23:37 +0100 (ITA) From: Stefano Ferraris <ferraris@lewy.dmsa.unipd.it> Subject: RE: drip management i'm very iterested to your paper. Stefano Ferraris Dept. of Agricultural, Forest. and Environm. Economy and Engineering Universita' di Torino 8, c.Raffaello Torino 10126 tel.+39.11.6692789 fax +39.11.658344 Italy: On Tue, 8 Oct 1996, Craig A. Storlie wrote: > > ------ =_NextPart_000_01BBB53A.23933080 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > "henri": > > Are you managing water or doing research (or both)? I buried = > Watermarks in a 2-D plane under a tape in a sandy loam and recorded = > "fluxes" with a Cambell datalogger - worked quite well. I wrote an ASAE = > paper if you are interested. > > Craig Storlie > Extension Specialist in Agricultural Engineering > Rutgers University > > ---------- > From: henri@ilink.nis.za[SMTP:henri@ilink.nis.za] > Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 1996 4:50 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: drip management > > Hi All, > Has anyone Practical experience (successful or otherwise) of, or ideas = > on, > the best Economical means of Managing and Monitorinng the daily > two-dimensional flux of water under drippers in a sandy (orchard) soil? > Aim : Water saving through optimum uptake and minimum losses. > > > > ------ =_NextPart_000_01BBB53A.23933080 > Content-Type: application/ms-tnef > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > > eJ8+IjsUAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAENgAQAAgAAAAIAAgABBJAG > ABABAAABAAAADAAAAAMAADADAAAACwAPDgAAAAACAf8PAQAAAEEAAAAAAAAAgSsfpL6jEBmdbgDd > AQ9UAgAAAAB0cmlja2xlLWxAdW5sLmVkdQBTTVRQAHRyaWNrbGUtbEB1bmwuZWR1AAAAAB4AAjAB > AAAABQAAAFNNVFAAAAAAHgADMAEAAAASAAAAdHJpY2tsZS1sQHVubC5lZHUAAAADABUMAQAAAAMA > /g8GAAAAHgABMAEAAAAUAAAAJ3RyaWNrbGUtbEB1bmwuZWR1JwACAQswAQAAABcAAABTTVRQOlRS > SUNLTEUtTEBVTkwuRURVAAADAAA5AAAAAAsAQDoBAAAAAgH2DwEAAAAEAAAAAAAAA6QuAQiABwAY > AAAASVBNLk1pY3Jvc29mdCBNYWlsLk5vdGUAMQgBBIABABQAAABSRTogZHJpcCBtYW5hZ2VtZW50 > AN0GAQWAAwAOAAAAzAcKAAgACgAZACsAAgA1AQEggAMADgAAAMwHCgAIAAoAFAAcAAIAIQEBCYAB > ACEAAAAyNEFENkM3NEY1MjBEMDExQjlCNjQ0NDU1MzU0MDAwMADXBgEDkAYA7AQAABIAAAALACMA > AAAAAAMAJgAAAAAACwApAAAAAAADADYAAAAAAEAAOQCg9fqWJLW7AR4AcAABAAAAFAAAAFJFOiBk > cmlwIG1hbmFnZW1lbnQAAgFxAAEAAAAWAAAAAbu1JJbzdGytJSD1EdC5tkRFU1QAAAAAHgAeDAEA > AAAFAAAAU01UUAAAAAAeAB8MAQAAABoAAABzdG9ybGllQGFlc29wLnJ1dGdlcnMuZWR1AAAAAwAG > ENDBeuUDAAcQfAIAAB4ACBABAAAAZQAAACJIRU5SSSI6QVJFWU9VTUFOQUdJTkdXQVRFUk9SRE9J > TkdSRVNFQVJDSChPUkJPVEgpP0lCVVJJRURXQVRFUk1BUktTSU5BMi1EUExBTkVVTkRFUkFUQVBF > SU5BU0FORFlMT0EAAAAAAgEJEAEAAABwAwAAbAMAALgFAABMWkZ134A4df8ACgEPAhUCqAXrAoMA > UALyCQIAY2gKwHNldDI3BgAGwwKDMgPFAgBwckJxEeJzdGVtAoMzdwLkBxMCgH0KgAjPCdk78RYP > MjU1AoAKgQ2xC2DgbmcxMDMUUAsKFFHFC/JjAEAgImgJ8AUQPCI6CoUKhgGRFLFlIEp5CGAgA4Fh > ZwuAZzggd2ET0AXABbFkb58dchYQEbAKwBFwICgFsQEG4HRoKT8gIEljH2AIcmQgVx3CAMByBmsE > IAuAIGEgMi2URCALUW4cwHVuBIFbIVEBkHAcwCEzcwBwZOR5IBWgYW0hUCIwHpGXBaENsCBgIhjg > dXgHkFoiHaBpH5AhUUMjwGI0ZWwDIGQdwAdAb2daZx3hLR2gBbBrIFFxVnUlYBzAdyYBLh/Sd4cD > YCexA5FBU0FFIbD/IrEFwAaQHNMKwCLSHdEHkMkT0GQuG3xDcgtwHZA0U3QFsGwIkAqFRXjfE9AA > gQIgBgAiwGMHMQQACwVAITFBCcBpY3Vs/nQIcAdALSAZEAuACeAFEGMZEAqFUnV0JrEEIFXtAwB2 > MOElYHkbfQsDLJAIMTgwAtFpLTE0njQN8AzQM6MLWTE2CqD1KIJjBUAtNccKhzR7DDD1NUZGA2E6 > Ns41RhxTGwMmQAMQC4BrLgMAcy4AemFbU01UUDr5Oo9hXTZvN30GYAIwOK8VObtUClBzJkB5LCCa > TzWQbyXwBcAwOEHAADE5OTYgNDo1mjAUsE09Pzd9VG8/f+05u00vAQUgbBzAJDEFIPcIkAIwBCBv > KcAuMkNvPk64dWJqNYFFjzm7ZAURnx0UE+A/QTHPMtMzNjRHsxpFNUZIaRSwJhAsCoW8SGEEIABw > HOAh8VAsAGc1kC7gL1FleClxSEFjYRzAKHN1Y1QABBBmny8AHgIfgQSQA/FlKUiR+0HABbFpDbBS > QQIgUbZVMe8fYCqxLSAFoG4DcFMzB4DbBiJIoU0dNiPyTQIgJWB/BbALgB2BV0ImQAMQMbZ0+ScQ > LWQHcS1zL1Ek0kiS/x20IiRNYilxIRUjRB8xEXJKZFWwcx5QbD8KhUHdB3AgS4AggyMxdh1yH5Bp > A2B1Zx8QbwUwB3B19SPQdQUwYSdAI+NYIAMA/2JyFaAEEAeQKw1Oz0/fNVULCoUVMQBocAMAEBAA > AAAAAwAREAEAAABAAAcwAN6r2iO1uwFAAAgwAN6r2iO1uwEeAD0AAQAAAAUAAABSRTogAAAAAFNh > > > ------ =_NextPart_000_01BBB53A.23933080-- > >
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 08:43:28 -0600 From: "Dirk Keeler" <Dirk@zianet.com> Subject: Air injection To: Dr. David S. Ross I don't know about Dave Enyeart at GroAire@aol.com, but I would be very interested to know what you have to say about air injection in SDI. Also Dave Enyeart, What equipment is involved in injecting the air? "Is there a special tape?", would be my main question. Dirk Keeler New Mexico Irrigation Chile pepper capital of the World
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 07:49:01 -0700 From: Alan <apf3@ix.netcom.com> Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE apf3@ix.netcom.com Alan Fisher Bay City Flower Co. (415) 712-5857 E-Mail: APF3@ix.netcom.com
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 15:08:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "David S. Ross" <dr27@umail.umd.edu> Subject: Re: Air injection(Ross) I am no expert on this topic, but I was curious and figured it might be a worthy topic of discussion. I knew that there was work being done but I do not have personal experience in the area. David Ross At 09:36 AM 10/11/96 -0500, Dirk Keeler wrote: >To: Dr. David S. Ross > >I don't know about Dave Enyeart at GroAire@aol.com, but I would be very >interested to know what you have to say about air injection in SDI. > >Also Dave Enyeart, >What equipment is involved in injecting the air? "Is there a special >tape?", would be my main question. > >Dirk Keeler >New Mexico Irrigation >Chile pepper capital of the World > > ............................................................................ Dr. David S. Ross 301-405-1188 office Extension Agricultural Engineer 301-498-2234 home Dept. of Biological Resources Engineering 301-314-9023 office fax University of Maryland 301-405-1198 Dept. College Park, Maryland 20742-5711 dr27@umail.umd.edu NOTE: new department name 3/28/96 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>..........................................<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 22:54:04 GMT From: Richard Mead <rmead@asrr.arsusda.gov> Subject: A new member from Florida Enclosed is a response to my introductory questions from a new member. Allow me to introduce, Dr. Larry Parsons from Florida. R. Mead Trickle-L owner/manager ------------------------------------------------------------- >To Trickle-L > I am Dr. Larry Parsons and am on the faculty of the University of Florida. >I'm located at the Citrus Research and Education Center in Lake Alfred, FL. >I do research and extension work on microsprinkler irrigation of citrus. I'm >particularly interested in microsprinkler and drip irrigation management on >sandy soils. We have also done a lot of work on microsprinkler irrigation >for citrus frost protection. We do not use subsurface drip irrigation much >because cutting citrus roots to install subsurface systems can lead to root >sprouts. Microspinkler systems are used more commonly on the central Florida >ridge because they provide better coverage than drip on the sandy soils and >also provide some frost protection. > The major problems with trickle irrigation have been plugging of the systems >due to iron or slime organisms. Fertigation is used and works well with young >trees. Standard liquid fertilizer, primarily N and K, are most commonly used. >We have not yet seen a real reduction in fertilizer or water use, but are >interested in seeing if we can demonstrate possible reductions. Water quality >problems include salinity (primarily along the coast but some inland sites as >well) and iron slime plugging problems. Usually chlorine or other chemicals >are injected to deal with plugging. > We usually irrigate 2 to 3 times per week if there is no rainfall. We have >some recent data that suggests that daily irrigation (with rain delays) may >promote better growth of young citrus trees than longer irrigation periods >every 2 or 4 days. I have not heard of much rodent damage, but we do have >other pests in some areas that plug up or chew on irrigation lines. We are >generally satisfied with the uniformity of our systems. We had an irrigation >engineer design them, so we assume they are OK. I heard about trickle-l from >other faculty at the University of Florida. > >
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Sun Oct 13 00:07 EDT 1996
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 22:55:12 -0500
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Drip Tape (ondeck@pacificrim.net)



Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 23:09:32 -0700 (PDT) From: ondeck@pacificrim.net Subject: Drip Tape Just a brief question.. We installed subsurface drip irrigation,(T-Tape made by T-Systems) about 4 years ago on 17 acres of raspberries. We are expanding and need to know what other brands are available. Locally we have T-Tape and Netafim. We are interested in finding out if there has been advance in designs or new technology. We have had good luck with T-Tape but this is an opportunity to explore a bit more before we commit. Root intrusion may be a problem in the future but no problems yet. Tena Ondeck Borderland Farms ondeck@pacificrim.net
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Mon Oct 14 00:12 EDT 1996
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 22:55:32 -0500
Message-Id: <199610140355.AA12944@crcnis1.unl.edu>
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Contents:
Re: Asparagus (Rodney Ruskin <geoflow1@slip.net>)
Re: Drip Tape (Rodney Ruskin <geoflow1@slip.net>)
Re: Air injection (GroAire@aol.com)



Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 17:13:30 -0700 From: Rodney Ruskin <geoflow1@slip.net> Subject: Re: Asparagus > At 04:22 PM 10/9/96 -0500, you wrote: >>Does anyone out there have experience with growing asparagus on drip. If >>so, what type of lines, emmitters, etc. are you using. I want to grow @8 >>acres organically in Mex. >>thanks >> >There are several growers with very large systems in Salinas and Arizona >growing asparagus with SDI. Because of the aggressive root system of >asparagus they have found that tapes do not survive for the 10+ year life of >the plant which is expected under SDI - despite anecdotal reports to the >contrary. They use hard hose with ROOTGUARD emitters without any problems. >The decision of using ROOTGUARD with organic farming is up to you and your >organic association - some growers do, some do not. > >Rodney Ruskin >geoflow1@slip.net > > >
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 17:13:48 -0700 From: Rodney Ruskin <geoflow1@slip.net> Subject: Re: Drip Tape At 12:59 AM 10/12/96 -0500, you wrote: >Just a brief question.. We installed subsurface drip irrigation,(T-Tape made >by T-Systems) about 4 years ago on 17 acres of raspberries. We are expanding >and need to know what other brands are available. Locally we have T-Tape and >Netafim. We are interested in finding out if there has been advance in >designs or new technology. We have had good luck with T-Tape but this is an >opportunity to explore a bit more before we commit. Root intrusion may be a >problem in the future but no problems yet. >Tena Ondeck >Borderland Farms >ondeck@pacificrim.net > >My comments of today with respect to asparagus apply equally as well for raspberries. If you would like more information please reply to me at geoflow1@slip.net with your snail mail address. Rodney Ruskin geoflow1@slip.net >
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 23:46:51 -0400 From: GroAire@aol.com Subject: Re: Air injection The type of air generation station is dictated by the size of the project which relates directly to economics. I have designed & implemented aeration systems as small as individual potted plants for botany classes. I have also designed systems to deliver thousands of CFM to field plots. The type of air compressor depends on economics and what is designed for the purpose of aeration. There are other reasons for aerating other than to stimulate microbial action in the soil. Added benefits of atmospheric air injection are widely varied. Soils can be warmed as the act of compression creates btu's which can be added to the ambient. I have had growers raise their soil from 54 degrees F. to 64 degrees and maintain that temperature until envirmental conditions took over. Subaeration can also be used to maintainsoil moisture content. In a greenhouse experiment raising micropropagated minitubers, the entire crop was raised with humid air. A total of 25 gallons of water was used to bring the crop to a harvestable state. I'm not talking about gpm but, total gallons of water consumed by the plants. I have also had growers aerate for the purpose of keeping their crops from going anerobic due to heavy rainfall. I have a grower in Coolidge Arizona that almost lost a crop of spinach due to excessive rainfall. Not an area that peop[le normally associate with too much water. However, with an emergency installation the color of the crop changed within 24 hours and strarted new growth within 72 hours. Aeration can also inhibit weed proliferation. Many types of weed like anerobic conditions for the germination of their seed. By following the air management programs that GroAire has researched a marked difference in weed populations have ocurred. We are in the babyhood of subaeration technology. All the research that has been performed at major universities all the way back to 1893 have been designed around passive methods of soil aeration ( chiseling, plowing, and adding soil amendments). The groAire systems are the first in the world at active treatment of soils with atmospheric air. The benefits are too numerous to even try to address on the net. I haven'y even mentioned PH's of soils, mellowing of tilth, rodent control, or free nitrogen and trace elements. Do I have your mind wandering in circles? Try the cleansing of air using the soils in City Parks and athletic fields. Dave Enyeart GroAire@aolcom
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Tue Oct 15 00:11 EDT 1996
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 22:55:54 -0500
Message-Id: <199610150355.AA09566@crcnis1.unl.edu>
Subject: TRICKLE-L digest 619

Contents:
Re: TRICKLE-L digest 617 (Ingvard  Find <76421.145@CompuServe.COM>)
Re: Asparagus (Wally Menke <wallym@ozemail.com.au>)
Re: Air injection(Ross) (Irrometer@aol.com)
Re: A new member from Florida (flatman@ix.netcom.com (Rick Peeren))
Re: Air injection ("DAVID R. BUNN" <103273.136@CompuServe.COM>)
Re: Air injection (GroAire@aol.com)



Date: 14 Oct 96 01:55:07 EDT From: Ingvard Find <76421.145@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: TRICKLE-L digest 617 TO; ONDECK@PACIFICRIM YOU CAN ALSO PURSUE TAPE FROM RAIN BIRD. ATTENTION: RAIN BIRD INTERNATIONAL INC. CALL (818) 963 9311 OR FAX (818) 963 4287 TO GET MORE INFORMATION BEST REGARDS INGVARD FIND INTERNATIONAL AG BRAND MANAGER
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 20:41:35 +1000 (EST) From: Wally Menke <wallym@ozemail.com.au> Subject: Re: Asparagus At 04:27 PM 9/10/96 -0500, you wrote: >Does anyone out there have experience with growing asparagus on drip. If >so, what type of lines, emmitters, etc. are you using. I want to grow @8 >acres organically in Mex. >thanks > Dear Robert If your going to go subsurface with the dripline then use ROOTGUARD by Geoflow, it comes with a 10 year warranty against root intrusion, and you don't need to do any guess work (and screwing around) of dosing with acid and herbicides. Cost is higher than using thin wall tape, as ROOTGUARD is a thick wall dripline. But you'll sleep better at night. Wally Menke - Triangle Filtration
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 10:57:18 -0400 From: Irrometer@aol.com Subject: Re: Air injection(Ross) In a message dated 96-10-11 15:21:15 EDT, you write: >I am no expert on this topic, but I was curious and figured it might be a >worthy topic of discussion. I knew that there was work being done but I do >not have personal experience in the area. David Ross > > Try Jim Wolfe at Wolfejohn Irrigation shown as CC: recipient. Regards, Bill Pogue
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 12:04:27 -0700 From: flatman@ix.netcom.com (Rick Peeren) Subject: Re: A new member from Florida You wrote: > >Enclosed is a response to my introductory questions from a new member. >Allow me to introduce, Dr. Larry Parsons from Florida. > >R. Mead >Trickle-L owner/manager >------------------------------------------------------------- >>To Trickle-L >> I am Dr. Larry Parsons and am on the faculty of the University of Florida. >>I'm located at the Citrus Research and Education Center in Lake Alfred, FL. >>I do research and extension work on microsprinkler irrigation of citrus. I'm >>particularly interested in microsprinkler and drip irrigation management on >>sandy soils. We have also done a lot of work on microsprinkler irrigation >>for citrus frost protection. We do not use subsurface drip irrigation much >>because cutting citrus roots to install subsurface systems can lead to root >>sprouts. Microspinkler systems are used more commonly on the central Florida >>ridge because they provide better coverage than drip on the sandy soils and >>also provide some frost protection. >> The major problems with trickle irrigation have been plugging of the systems >>due to iron or slime organisms. Fertigation is used and works well with young >>trees. Standard liquid fertilizer, primarily N and K, are most commonly used. >>We have not yet seen a real reduction in fertilizer or water use, but are >>interested in seeing if we can demonstrate possible reductions. Water quality >>problems include salinity (primarily along the coast but some inland sites as >>well) and iron slime plugging problems. Usually chlorine or other chemicals >>are injected to deal with plugging. >> We usually irrigate 2 to 3 times per week if there is no rainfall. We have >>some recent data that suggests that daily irrigation (with rain delays) may >>promote better growth of young citrus trees than longer irrigation periods >>every 2 or 4 days. I have not heard of much rodent damage, but we do have >>other pests in some areas that plug up or chew on irrigation lines. We are >>generally satisfied with the uniformity of our systems. We had an irrigation >>engineer design them, so we assume they are OK. I heard about trickle-l from >>other faculty at the University of Florida. >> >> > > Welcome to the group. I have some products that may solve some of your iron slime problems. If you will send me your e-mail address I can send you the information. Rick Peeren IrriChem Sales
Date: 14 Oct 96 17:43:30 EDT From: "DAVID R. BUNN" <103273.136@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: Air injection In a current air injection test project that I am aware of, the equipment includes SDI tubing with Mazzei injectors. The test plots have treatments both with and without air injection. Initial measurements show only a 30% difference in the amount of air between the two treatments. The injection rate, based on the Mazzei tables, is 2 cubic feet per hour of air per gallon per minute of water. What is required from a design standpoint is the amount of injected air that gives beneficial results. What factors to consider, i.e.: crop, soil type, flow rate (or system size), irrigation frequency, etc.. What published data is available regarding air injection into irrigation systems. CIT is testing SDI tubing, is there interest in having them include air injection as part of this project.
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 19:42:24 -0400 From: GroAire@aol.com Subject: Re: Air injection The type of air injection that GroAire is involved is radically different from the mazzei injectors. After each irrigation, the water pump is manifolded off and the air generation station is valved on. The same drip tubes used to deliver the water is then used to deliver the air. Anytime a soil is irrigated the water displaces the pore space in the soil and drives the atmospheric air out. This is when the plant shuts down until gravity pulls the excess moisture in a downward pattern and pulls the atmospheric air back into the pore space. The roots require oxygen for the uptake of nutrients and the lack thereof causes the plant to shutdown. If a surface sealing has ocurred due to improper irrigation from above or a heavy rainstorm then a soil can slide into an anaerobic condition thereby limiting crop production. The forced injection of atmospheric air decreases the amount of downtime on the plant. I don't see how injecting air with water simultaneously would overcome the problem of removing the pore space due to irrigation. I believe that process would be self destructive as opposed to the GroAire system. The GroAire systems keep soils from going anerobic irregardless of soil moisture conditions or surface sealing problems. Dave Enyeart Senior Engineer GroAire@aol.com
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Wed Oct 16 00:09 EDT 1996
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 22:56:51 -0500
Message-Id: <199610160356.AA04998@crcnis1.unl.edu>
Subject: TRICKLE-L digest 620

Contents:
Air injection ("Craig A. Storlie" <storlie@AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU>)
Re: Media vs. screen??? (Jean  Piaget <henri@ilink.nis.za>)
Re: Air injection ("K. Dean Batal" <batal@tifton.cpes.peachnet.edu>)
CO2 Injection (Carbogation?  Please...) ("Craig A. Storlie" <storlie@AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU>)
Re: Air injection (GroAire@aol.com)



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Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 20:03:34 GMT From: Jean Piaget <henri@ilink.nis.za> Subject: Re: Media vs. screen??? At 10:26 AM 10/9/96 -0500, you wrote: > >-: > > I don't recall our group holding a discussion along this line before so = >I will pose a question: Can the self cleaning screen filters (SCSF) = >function under conditions of high organic matter (algae, aquatic "weeds" = >and animals) as well as media filters? =20 In my experience one should never depend on only one filter, of whatever kind, to remove all that gunk. Whatever has happened to the concept of pre-filtering by various means before a final fine filtation ? Jean/
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 15:06:47 +0000 From: "K. Dean Batal" <batal@tifton.cpes.peachnet.edu> Subject: Re: Air injection Hi Craig, Your comments on the CO2 injection and the plant response to it is very interesting. Perhaps, the injection into the soil surface causes the enrichment of the air with CO2 as it rises to the surface and eventually surrounds the crop canopy??? I was also interested in your encoded part which is not readable as is. Could you convert it and save it as ASCII TEXT, and then mail it back to me? I would appreciate it very much. With best regards, Dean Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 09:04:49 -0500 Reply-to: <trickle-l@unl.edu> From: "Craig A. Storlie" <storlie@AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list <trickle-l@unl.edu> Subject: Air injection ------ =_NextPart_000_01BBBA81.765BDD20 All: If air injection through drip results in yield resonse, how about CO2 = injection? Many have tried (including me), but few have suceeded. = However, the book is not closed. Some have seen a significant yield = boost...and no one knows why for sure... I recently wrote a review for Hort Tech...April-June '96 6(2)111-114. Craig ........................................................................= ............................... Craig Storlie Extension Specialist in Agricultural Engineering Rutgers University voice: (609)455-3100 fax: (609) 455-9682 ........................................................................= ............................... ------ =_NextPart_000_01BBBA81.765BDD20 eJ8+IggOAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAENgAQAAgAAAAIAAgABBJAG ABABAAABAAAADAAAAAMAADADAAAACwAPDgAAAAACAf8PAQAAAEEAAAAAAAAAgSsfpL6jEBmdbgDd AQ9UAgAAAAB0cmlja2xlLWxAdW5sLmVkdQBTTVRQAHRyaWNrbGUtbEB1bmwuZWR1AAAAAB4AAjAB AAAABQAAAFNNVFAAAAAAHgADMAEAAAASAAAAdHJpY2tsZS1sQHVubC5lZHUAAAADABUMAQAAAAMA /g8GAAAAHgABMAEAAAAUAAAAJ3RyaWNrbGUtbEB1bmwuZWR1JwACAQswAQAAABcAAABTTVRQOlRS SUNLTEUtTEBVTkwuRURVAAADAAA5AAAAAAsAQDoBAAAAAgH2DwEAAAAEAAAAAAAAA6QuAQiABwAY AAAASVBNLk1pY3Jvc29mdCBNYWlsLk5vdGUAMQgBBIABAA4AAABBaXIgaW5qZWN0aW9uAP8EAQWA AwAOAAAAzAcKAA8ACgANAAUAAgAKAQEggAMADgAAAMwHCgAPAAkAOQAdAAIATQEBCYABACEAAAA0 NDdFMDk5MjcxMjZEMDExQjlCNjQ0NDU1MzU0MDAwMACzBgEDkAYAwAMAABIAAAALACMAAAAAAAMA JgAAAAAACwApAAAAAAADADYAAAAAAEAAOQAg1Kn7orq7AR4AcAABAAAADgAAAEFpciBpbmplY3Rp b24AAAACAXEAAQAAABYAAAABu7qi+6CSCX5SJnER0Lm2REVTVAAAAAAeAB4MAQAAAAUAAABTTVRQ AAAAAB4AHwwBAAAAGgAAAHN0b3JsaWVAYWVzb3AucnV0Z2Vycy5lZHUAAAADAAYQwEtxQAMABxBx AQAAHgAIEAEAAABlAAAAQUxMOklGQUlSSU5KRUNUSU9OVEhST1VHSERSSVBSRVNVTFRTSU5ZSUVM RFJFU09OU0UsSE9XQUJPVVRDTzJJTkpFQ1RJT04/TUFOWUhBVkVUUklFRChJTkNMVURJTkdNRSks QgAAAAACAQkQAQAAAEsCAABHAgAAuwMAAExaRnUgKEYR/wAKAQ8CFQKoBesCgwBQAvIJAgBjaArA c2V0MjcGAAbDAoMyA8UCAHByQnER4nN0ZW0CgzP3AuQHEwKAfQqACM8J2QKABwqBDbELYG5nMTAz HxRQCwoUUQvxFLBsbDqHCoUKhgGRIElmIAtwSwXAC4BqBZB0aQIgIAR0aANgdWdoIGSFBREgFhBz dWx0BCDJC4AgeQiQbGQcogIg4RGwLCBobwfgAaAIYJkFQENPEeAbRz8gBdDFAHB5HkBhdmUb0AiB VR2gKAuAYwpAZAuAZ6ogB4ApHjBiHsFmB9GbIEMc0GMJ4A2wZC4f0OpIHmBlIGByHjAb4CBwmQbg b2sbMAQgbm8FQO0hIG8RsCMyUwNwIHAidCcJ4RrwIrBpZwMAZmm+YwBwBUAdZCRBE8AuKBC3AHAd oCTAIAIgIHBrJMDydwQgd2ggIAIQBcAc0HcWECgRGaxJHKEi4AIwbL0gIHcDYBPQJnEWEHYIkE8H 4CmSI3AAICBUBZBojSgRQRNQAxAtSnUowQAnOTYgNigyKSoxLvAtLvA0Kj1Dcv0LcGcKhSgRMT8y TzNfNG+vNX82fS/qBgB0BbBsCJA5CoVFeBPQAIEbsVNw3wWQBzEEAAVAHTFBCcAnAP8c4QhwB0A5 IBfAC4AJ4AUQaxfACoVSHsBnBJAEIFUnAwAjsQCQdHkKhXZvCScAZTog4DYwOSlgNDU1LTMX4Ap2 ZjRheD6FID7yLoA4Mv8wr0IfQy9EP0VPRl83DRUxAgBIoAADABAQAAAAAAMAERBnAAAAQAAHMCAD Gc6gursBQAAIMCADGc6gursBHgA9AAEAAAABAAAAAAAAAMj5 ------ =_NextPart_000_01BBBA81.765BDD20-- K. Dean Batal, Ph.D. Horticulture Research UGA/C.P.E.S. Tifton, GA 31793-0748 Tel. 912-386-3906 E-mail: BATAL@TIFTON.CPES.PEACHNET.EDU
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 16:26:32 -0400 From: "Craig A. Storlie" <storlie@AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU> Subject: CO2 Injection (Carbogation? Please...) ------ =_NextPart_000_01BBBAB5.A8459540 Dean and List: I am sorry about my "encoded" email. I recently started using new = software (WIN95, MS Exchange) and haven't got the bugs out yet. There = was NO attachment. The "chimney effect" (ie., CO2 moving up thru the opening in plastic = mulch and subsequent enrichment) has been proposed but is not believed = to do much for enhanced growth. Enrichment that can be detected under = VERY CALM conditions is LOW and DISAPPEARS shortly after the end of the = irrigation period. Given that, consider how long we irrigate (percent = of the photoperiod) you will quickly see that this one doesn't hold much = water. In my opinion, enhanced mineral nutrition caused by a drop in = irrigation water pH (CO2 acidifies) and subsequent soil pH decrease in = high-pH soils is the answer. But then... Thanks Dean, Craig ------ =_NextPart_000_01BBBAB5.A8459540 eJ8+Ii4UAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAENgAQAAgAAAAIAAgABBJAG ANADAAADAAAADAAAAAMAADAFAAAACwAPDgAAAAACAf8PAQAAAFsAAAAAAAAAgSsfpL6jEBmdbgDd AQ9UAgAAAABCYXRhbEBUaWZ0b24uY3Blcy5wZWFjaG5ldC5lZHUAU01UUABCYXRhbEBUaWZ0b24u Y3Blcy5wZWFjaG5ldC5lZHUAAB4AAjABAAAABQAAAFNNVFAAAAAAHgADMAEAAAAfAAAAQmF0YWxA VGlmdG9uLmNwZXMucGVhY2huZXQuZWR1AAADABUMAQAAAAMA/g8GAAAAHgABMAEAAAAhAAAAJ0Jh dGFsQFRpZnRvbi5jcGVzLnBlYWNobmV0LmVkdScAAAAAAgELMAEAAAAkAAAAU01UUDpCQVRBTEBU SUZUT04uQ1BFUy5QRUFDSE5FVC5FRFUAAwAAOQAAAAALAEA6AQAAAAIB9g8BAAAABAAAAAAAAAUM AAAAAwAAMAYAAAALAA8OAQAAAAIB/w8BAAAAcQAAAAAAAAC1O8LALHcQGqG8CAArKlbCFQAAADMH YiFYDdARubZERVNUAACkgAAAAAAAAIErH6S+oxAZnW4A3QEPVAIAAAAAY3JhaWcgc3RvcmxpZQBT TVRQAHN0b3JsaWVAYWVzb3AucnV0Z2Vycy5lZHUAAAAAHgACMAEAAAAFAAAAU01UUAAAAAAeAAMw AQAAABoAAABzdG9ybGllQGFlc29wLnJ1dGdlcnMuZWR1AAAAAwAVDAIAAAADAP4PBgAAAB4AATAB AAAAEAAAACdjcmFpZyBzdG9ybGllJwACAQswAQAAAB8AAABTTVRQOlNUT1JMSUVAQUVTT1AuUlVU R0VSUy5FRFUAAAMAADkAAAAACwBAOgAAAAACAfYPAQAAAAQAAAAAAAAGDAAAAAMAADAHAAAACwAP DgAAAAACAf8PAQAAAG0AAAAAAAAAtTvCwCx3EBqhvAgAKypWwhUAAAAzB2IhWA3QEbm2REVTVAAA hIAAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAHRyaWNrbGUtbEB1bmwuZWR1AFNNVFAAdHJpY2ts ZS1sQHVubC5lZHUAAAAAHgACMAEAAAAFAAAAU01UUAAAAAAeAAMwAQAAABIAAAB0cmlja2xlLWxA dW5sLmVkdQAAAAMAFQwCAAAAAwD+DwYAAAAeAAEwAQAAABQAAAAndHJpY2tsZS1sQHVubC5lZHUn AAIBCzABAAAAFwAAAFNNVFA6VFJJQ0tMRS1MQFVOTC5FRFUAAAMAADkAAAAACwBAOgEAAAACAfYP AQAAAAQAAAAAAAAH/MEBCIAHABgAAABJUE0uTWljcm9zb2Z0IE1haWwuTm90ZQAxCAEEgAEAKAAA AENPMiBJbmplY3Rpb24gKENhcmJvZ2F0aW9uPyAgUGxlYXNlLi4uKQDEDAEFgAMADgAAAMwHCgAP ABAAGgAgAAIAOAEBIIADAA4AAADMBwoADwAQAAgAOgACAEABAQmAAQAhAAAARTQxQUMwQ0VBNTI2 RDAxMUI5QjY0NDQ1NTM1NDAwMDAA7wYBA5AGALAEAAASAAAACwAjAAAAAAADACYAAAAAAAsAKQAA AAAAAwA2AAAAAABAADkAoCScJ9e6uwEeAHAAAQAAACgAAABDTzIgSW5qZWN0aW9uIChDYXJib2dh dGlvbj8gIFBsZWFzZS4uLikAAgFxAAEAAAAWAAAAAbu61yeDzsAa9yalEdC5tkRFU1QAAAAAHgAe DAEAAAAFAAAAU01UUAAAAAAeAB8MAQAAABoAAABzdG9ybGllQGFlc29wLnJ1dGdlcnMuZWR1AAAA AwAGEFsbWSwDAAcQiAIAAB4ACBABAAAAZQAAAERFQU5BTkRMSVNUOklBTVNPUlJZQUJPVVRNWSJF TkNPREVEIkVNQUlMSVJFQ0VOVExZU1RBUlRFRFVTSU5HTkVXU09GVFdBUkUoV0lOOTUsTVNFWENI QU5HRSlBTkRIQVZFTlQAAAAAAgEJEAEAAAAkAwAAIAMAADkEAABMWkZ1f9SyJ/8ACgEPAhUCqAXr AoMAUALyCQIAY2gKwHNldDI3BgAGwwKDMgPFAgBwckJxEeJzdGVtAoMz9wLkBxMCgH0KgAjPCdkC gAcKgQ2xC2BuZzEwM48UUAsKFFEL8SBEZQORkQBwZCBMBAB0OgqFEwqGAZEgSRmgbSBzWQWwcnkZ oAbgdQVAbR0cACIJ8AWgDbBkIiBjE+ALcGwuIBthFhBj+QnwdGwcABPACsAT0BnQ5nUAkBfAIG4H 0RvAAYACdwrAZSAoV0lOyDk1LAXSRXgRcRfArGUpGaMRgHYJ8CcFQCRnbwVAdGggEGJ1tmcEIBxC eRHAHaFUIpB3IAEf4AehTxmgAkAA0Gj7B4ACMC4aTxtQI7EcoBFwXwdwH2AcAA3BBZB0HTAoZQiQ LiCQQ08R4ARgdkkfInVwInFydSJzb25wCfAfIguAIAtRE8BpMmMccHVsEXAZo3N1umIRsHEKUAIw HUBuBRDvJMQhYBGABCBiCeEqIANg/HBvEbAZ0CLABUAEAB9QOyJRLQBsCJAh4BnQdG/8IGQvMCqw KuECEAXACfDPIREeEBnQCcBvdyKAHaHORSwXInEkgCBjA5EtAD8vQBHAJ2Ee0hnABJAgVohFUlko AEFMTTIgeQIgZGkqcAIgBCAuIUwET1cZo0RJU0FQkFBFQVIF8HNoFbH9HlFhAYAzYSKCCfAZ0B+w 5SJzaRvgaWckgDSRKiDnBnEEcB2hR2kh4THTIJB/NDEAkDNSNlAH4BWgHzF33zf3IBE4wR4SN5Zw NlAvIPs4xCFgeQhgJAADEAMgK6D9KoBrHlIJ4DHUIoAuIQIg3TKBbweQIgI2UGwZ0C+D/x/gNuEl LxtCA6AcgSmAC4D3NJEgkDAXbQuABJAHQB9Q/xxQBRA4czIwHwAtshwBL0DfLWEp8jgZQRMqIEgg ICgS7wDQOlAGkAiQcyFkK1kbwP8DEUeRBYEWECQgN/EDoCbA+GdoLUeRSbI0wyKCAHEzOzBBUCBC HFEigW4ub01AQXwjsABwawQgGWIsvQqFQ0RgOEAKhRUxAFCAAwAQEAAAAAADABEQAAAAAEAABzBg CkWz1Lq7AUAACDBgCkWz1Lq7AR4APQABAAAAAQAAAAAAAABsTg== ------ =_NextPart_000_01BBBAB5.A8459540--
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 20:34:58 -0400 From: GroAire@aol.com Subject: Re: Air injection My organization has never experimented with CO-2 injection. The whole purpose of our air management prograqms are designed toward eliminating C0-2in the soil. In areas where there have been successes using CO-2 , I suspect that chemical reactions in the soil have broken down the bond between the carbon and the oxygen and released the oxygen to benefit the root system. (Just theory from the hip) Secondly, the economics of purchasing CO-2 as opposed to atmospheric air which includes CO-2 just doesn't pan out. There are other reasons such as weed populations would increase as many varities require the presence of co-2 in high levels for germination . We get a reduced incidence of weeds due to the nature of the beast of SDI and the flushing of the soil with Atmospheric air to rerduce CO-2 levels. Dave Enyeart GroAire@aol.com
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Thu Oct 17 00:25 EDT 1996
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 23:13:14 -0500
Message-Id: <199610170413.AA01293@crcnis1.unl.edu>
Subject: TRICKLE-L digest 621

Contents:
Re: Air injection ("Dr. Jean  Piaget" <henri@ilink.nis.za>)
New Web Page Site (Irrometer@aol.com)
Re: Air injection (GroAire@aol.com)



Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 20:25:42 GMT From: "Dr. Jean Piaget" <henri@ilink.nis.za> Subject: Re: Air injection At 07:26 PM 10/15/96 -0500, you wrote: >My organization has never experimented with CO-2 injection. The whole purpose >of our air management prograqms are designed toward eliminating C0-2in the >soil. Hi , I seem to remember reading in a potato Journal that someone tested out the theory that water logging effect was due to a shortage of oxygen. In pots they reduced the O2 content with N2 in one pot and CO2 in an other. And voila the N2 potato pot kept growing but not the CO2 pot. Jean/
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 19:25:40 -0400 From: Irrometer@aol.com Subject: New Web Page Site Dear correspondents on Trickle-L, Irrigation-L and SOWACS: Excuse me if there are some duplications. The Irrometer Company has established a webpage covering Company background on its line of soil moisture measuring and controlling instrumentation. Separate "Catalogs" are available for both Agicultural and Landscape applications, along with a Newsletter and and electronic Feedback Form. We'd welcome your "visit" and an opportunity to be of help, or to even hear any comments. http://www.inet.net/irrometer/ Regards, Bill Pogue, President, Irrometer Company, Inc. Riverside, CA USA
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 00:06:47 -0400 From: GroAire@aol.com Subject: Re: Air injection Thanks for the support. At one point I built a large scale Jacobs ladder inside a air tight chamber and passed the air from my generation station through it before it was distributed throughout my laterals. The object was to generate nitrogen just as lighting does. It worked too well. I killed 1 acre of potatoes because the end result was nitric acid in the soil. A little would have been nice to buffer that aslkaline soil, But I went too far and crispied the whole lotl Dave Enyeart
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Fri Oct 18 00:29 EDT 1996
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 23:13:16 -0500
Message-Id: <199610180413.AA23832@crcnis1.unl.edu>
Subject: TRICKLE-L digest 622

Contents:
(Fwd) Agricultural AMP's and BMPs (elewis@h2o.kda.state.ks.us)
Re: (Fwd) Agricultural AMP's and BMPs ("J.D. Oster" <oster@mail.ucr.edu>)
Re: Using EnviroSCAN parallel to the surface. ("Alan S. Wicks" <awicks@televar.com>)
Re: Using EnviroSCAN parallel to the surface. (Hortech Services Pty Ltd <hortech@www.ats.com.au>)
FW: (Fwd) Agricultural AMP's and BMPs ("Thurston, Anna" <athursto@ci.tacoma.wa.us>)
Re: Using EnviroSCAN parallel to the surface. (Richard Mead <rmead@cybergate.com>)
Re: (Fwd) Agricultural AMP's and BMPs (FLamm@oznet.ksu.edu (Freddie Lamm))



Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 12:41:41 +0000 From: elewis@h2o.kda.state.ks.us Subject: (Fwd) Agricultural AMP's and BMPs Hello, I have been a member of this list since April but have not posted anything until now. I work for the Kansas Department of Agriculture's, Division of Water Resources. As a short introductory statement, I am working with a basin management approach to develop management strategies for areas of Kansas that are experiencing water resource problems, mainly quantity. Each of the areas that we are currently working in is mainly agricultural land. Therefore the main use of water is for irrigation of crops. The main crops being grown are corn, soybeans, grain sorghum and wheat. While overall management of water resources seems to fall outside the normal discussion of this list, it appears that many of you would have some experience or useful comments on the subject. What I would like to know is if anyone has good references for Acceptable Management Practices and Best Management Practices for agriculture in the Western United States. To this point most of the information we have been able to find applies to eastern states with Forestry and Industrial Uses being the main topics. Any information or references you could supply would be much appreciated. Thank you. Earl Lewis You can e-mail me directly at: elewis@h2o.kda.state.ks.us Earl D. Lewis, Jr KS Dept of Agriculture Division of Water Resources Phone (913) 296-3717 Fax (913) 296-1176
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 13:40:59 -0500 From: "J.D. Oster" <oster@mail.ucr.edu> Subject: Re: (Fwd) Agricultural AMP's and BMPs Try Jim Ayars at the Water Management Laboratory (ARS) in Fresno (jayars@asrr.arsusda.gov) and Blaine Hanson (brhanson@ucdavis.edu). At 12:32 PM 10/17/96 -0500, you wrote: >Hello, > >I have been a member of this list since April but have not posted >anything until now. I work for the Kansas Department of >Agriculture's, Division of Water Resources. As a short introductory >statement, I am working with a basin management approach to develop >management strategies for areas of Kansas that are experiencing water >resource problems, mainly quantity. Each of the areas that we are >currently working in is mainly agricultural land. Therefore the >main use of water is for irrigation of crops. The main crops being >grown are corn, soybeans, grain sorghum and wheat. > >While overall management of water resources seems to fall outside the >normal discussion of this list, it appears that many of you would >have some experience or useful comments on the subject. What I would >like to know is if anyone has good references for Acceptable Management >Practices and Best Management Practices for agriculture in the >Western United States. To this point most of the information we have >been able to find applies to eastern states with Forestry and Industrial >Uses being the main topics. Any information or references you could >supply would be much appreciated. Thank you. Earl Lewis > >You can e-mail me directly at: elewis@h2o.kda.state.ks.us > > >Earl D. Lewis, Jr >KS Dept of Agriculture >Division of Water Resources >Phone (913) 296-3717 >Fax (913) 296-1176 > J.D.(Jim) Oster Dept. of Soil & Env. Sciences University of California Riverside, CA 92521 Phone (909)787-5100 FAX (909)787-5522
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 12:42:56 -0700 From: "Alan S. Wicks" <awicks@televar.com> Subject: Re: Using EnviroSCAN parallel to the surface. Greetings, I read the achives on the EnviroSCAN and still have some questions. I am involved in irrigation/fertilization management of drip irrigated vegetables in relatively porous soils. With drip irrigation in sandy soils there is always the problem of rapid downward water movement vs slower lateral movement. This makes it a bit difficult to use ETo values. I am interested in measuring this lateral movement in relation to the downward movement while using various application rates and emitter configurations. So, I was thinking that if I could dig a trench so as to be able to insert an access tube for the EnviroSCAN parallel to the surface, I could look at the lateral flow. Can I do it?? How close can I get to the surface, etc?? Any other ideas?? Thank you, Alan S. Wicks awicks@televar.com Tri-cities, Washington, USA
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 06:38:07 +1000 From: Hortech Services Pty Ltd <hortech@www.ats.com.au> Subject: Re: Using EnviroSCAN parallel to the surface. At 02:38 PM 17/10/96 -0500, you wrote: >Greetings, > >I read the achives on the EnviroSCAN and still have some questions. >I am involved in irrigation/fertilization management of drip irrigated >vegetables in relatively porous soils. With drip irrigation in sandy >soils there is always the problem of rapid downward water movement vs >slower lateral movement. This makes it a bit difficult to use ETo >values. I am interested in measuring this lateral movement in relation >to the downward movement while using various application rates and >emitter configurations. > >So, I was thinking that if I could dig a trench so as to be able to >insert an access tube for the EnviroSCAN parallel to the surface, I >could look at the lateral flow. Can I do it?? How close can I get to >the surface, etc?? > >Any other ideas?? > >Thank you, >Alan S. Wicks >awicks@televar.com >Tri-cities, Washington, USA > >I have passed your questions on to the manufacturer Sentek. If you wish to contact them personally send email to Attention Peter Buss sentek@a011.aone.net.au regards Peter Broomhall Horticulural Consultant Hortech Services Pty Ltd a.c.n. 060 406 957 P.O. Box 370 Kallangur QLD 4503 Australia P: +61 418 708 573 F: +61 7 3886 0389 hortech@ats.com.au
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 96 14:03:00 PDT From: "Thurston, Anna" <athursto@ci.tacoma.wa.us> Subject: FW: (Fwd) Agricultural AMP's and BMPs Cc: 'Earl Lewis' Earl wrote: What I would like to know is if anyone has good references for Acceptable Management Practices and Best Management Practices for agriculture in the Western United States. You can e-mail me directly at: elewis@h2o.kda.state.ks.us Earl D. Lewis, Jr KS Dept of Agriculture Division of Water Resources Phone (913) 296-3717 Fax (913) 296-1176 ***** Earl - As a Water Conservation Specialist, I'm in your field, and subscribing for the same reasons. Can I suggest you look into California's BMP's via their Sate Dept. of Water Resources (DWR) at (916)327-1628. I am reading from the DWR's Water Conservation News, Fall 1993 publication. This may be old information, but it hasn't lost it's value to me yet. The article makes reference to US Bureau of Reclamation as a partner in the development of the BMP's there. Good Luck! Anna Thurston, Water Conservation Specialist Tacoma Public Utilities, Water Resource Planning PO Box 11007 Tacoma, Washington 98411 (206)502-8723 // FAX:(206)502-8694 <athursto@ci.tacoma.wa.us>
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 21:41:18 GMT From: Richard Mead <rmead@cybergate.com> Subject: Re: Using EnviroSCAN parallel to the surface. Dear Alan and others interested in EnviroSCAN technology, Regarding your comment: "I was thinking that if I could dig a trench so as to be able to insert an access tube for the EnviroSCAN parallel to the surface, I could look at the lateral flow." We have installed EnviroSCAN access tubes vertically here at the Water Management Research Laboratory in our lysimeters 'prior' to installing them below ground. Check out http://asset.arsusda.gov/WMRL/japan.gif to see yours truly hammering* away at those tubes. Needless to say, this was no easy task...hammering perpendicular to gravity. Your trench would have to be wide enough to swing and pound the tubes into the ground parallel to the soil surface. I would insist on doing it this way and NOT creating a trench and burying the tubes by hand. Close contact with the access tube and soil is essential!! Alternatively, you could put numerous access tubes in a radial distance away from your emitters and monitor any depth you want with 10 cm (4 in.) increments. Peter Buss will undoubtedly have better ideas. Let's see if one of his colleagues picks up on this thread. Richard Mead Soil Scientist Trickle-L & MF owner/manager *100% of the credit for installing these critters should really go to Richard Soppe, whose blood, sweat and tears contributed to the cause. I just happened to be there the day pictures were being snapped. :-)
Date: 17 Oct 96 18:26:36 CDT From: FLamm@oznet.ksu.edu (Freddie Lamm) Subject: Re: (Fwd) Agricultural AMP's and BMPs It would be nice to know what you are specifically looking for. Nearly all of the western land grant universities (including Kansas State University) and many of the USDA Research Stations have been working on improved on-farm irrigation practices for decades. This information is widely available. There is also a western regional project, W-128 that deals with microirrigation as a best management practice (It's in the title). I am currently the chair of that group. Perhaps you can be more specific or give me a call some time. Freddie * Date: 17-Oct-1996 12:30:30 -0500 Reply-to: trickle-l@unl.edu From: trickle-l@unl.edu To: trickle-l@unl.edu (Multiple recipients of list) Subject: (Fwd) Agricultural AMP's and BMPs Hello, I have been a member of this list since April but have not posted anything until now. I work for the Kansas Department of Agriculture's, Division of Water Resources. As a short introductory statement, I am working with a basin management approach to develop management strategies for areas of Kansas that are experiencing water resource problems, mainly quantity. Each of the areas that we are currently working in is mainly agricultural land. Therefore the main use of water is for irrigation of crops. The main crops being grown are corn, soybeans, grain sorghum and wheat. While overall management of water resources seems to fall outside the normal discussion of this list, it appears that many of you would have some experience or useful comments on the subject. What I would like to know is if anyone has good references for Acceptable Management Practices and Best Management Practices for agriculture in the Western United States. To this point most of the information we have been able to find applies to eastern states with Forestry and Industrial Uses being the main topics. Any information or references you could supply would be much appreciated. Thank you. Earl Lewis You can e-mail me directly at: elewis@h2o.kda.state.ks.us Earl D. Lewis, Jr KS Dept of Agriculture Division of Water Resources Phone (913) 296-3717 Fax (913) 296-1176 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Freddie Lamm * Research Agricultural Engineer *** o KSU Northwest Research-Extension Center ***** /|\ 105 Experiment Farm Road *******\\ Colby, Kansas 67701-1697 ********* Ph. 913-462-6281 *********** FAX 913-462-2315 ************* Email:flamm@oznet.ksu.edu It's all downhill from here. ------ THERE'S NO DOMAIN LIKE OZ, THERE'S NO DOMAIN LIKE OZ. ------
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Sat Oct 19 00:26 EDT 1996
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 23:13:22 -0500
Message-Id: <199610190413.AA18816@crcnis1.unl.edu>
Subject: TRICKLE-L digest 623

Contents:
Re: Air injection (LodiCraig@aol.com)
CO2 Injection ("Craig A. Storlie" <storlie@AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU>)
Re: Using EnviroSCAN parallel to the surface. (blsanden@ucdavis.edu (Blake Sanden))
Re: EnviroSCAN (danyalk@ix.netcom.com (Danyal Kasapligil))



Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 16:59:52 -0400 From: LodiCraig@aol.com Subject: Re: Air injection Dear Dave: In a message dated 96-10-17 00:25:54 EDT, you write: << I built a large scale Jacobs ladder inside a air tight chamber and passed the air from my generation station through it before it was distributed throughout my laterals. The object was to generate nitrogen just as lighting does. It worked too well. I killed 1 acre of potatoes because the end result was nitric acid in the soil. A little would have been nice to buffer that aslkaline soil, But I went too far and crispied the whole lotl >> Do you have a write up on your experiment? How did you come to the conclusion that you burned the potatoes with "generated" Nitric acid? ... Did you consider the posibility that you generated toxic levels of ozone (03)? (or some other harsh chemical critter?) Cheers, Craig Thompson
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 12:38:36 -0400 From: "Craig A. Storlie" <storlie@AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU> Subject: CO2 Injection ------ =_NextPart_000_01BBBD20.52625600 All: The injection of air through a drip system may reduce water-logging, = increasing the O2 content of the soil, increasing respiration, and make = plants happy. However, the CO2 content of the soil may be sub- or = supra-optimal for the beneficial bacteria which live in the soil (had to = read my own paper again - no laughing, D. Ross). I do not believe that = the injection of CO2 with irrigation water can effect the O2 balance in = a significant manner. Not when one considers that small amount of CO2 = that is actually injected and more importantly, the overriding influence = of soil saturation on soil O2 content. Craig Storlie =20 ------ =_NextPart_000_01BBBD20.52625600 eJ8+IhQWAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAENgAQAAgAAAAIAAgABBJAG AIACAAACAAAADAAAAAMAADADAAAACwAPDgEAAAACAf8PAQAAAHEAAAAAAAAAtTvCwCx3EBqhvAgA KypWwhUAAAAzB2IhWA3QEbm2REVTVAAApIAAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAGNyYWln IHN0b3JsaWUAU01UUABzdG9ybGllQGFlc29wLnJ1dGdlcnMuZWR1AAAAAB4AAjABAAAABQAAAFNN VFAAAAAAHgADMAEAAAAaAAAAc3RvcmxpZUBhZXNvcC5ydXRnZXJzLmVkdQAAAAMAFQwCAAAAAwD+ DwYAAAAeAAEwAQAAABAAAAAnY3JhaWcgc3RvcmxpZScAAgELMAEAAAAfAAAAU01UUDpTVE9STElF QEFFU09QLlJVVEdFUlMuRURVAAADAAA5AAAAAAsAQDoAAAAAAgH2DwEAAAAEAAAAAAAAAwwAAAAD AAAwBAAAAAsADw4AAAAAAgH/DwEAAABtAAAAAAAAALU7wsAsdxAaobwIACsqVsIVAAAAMwdiIVgN 0BG5tkRFU1QAAISAAAAAAAAAgSsfpL6jEBmdbgDdAQ9UAgAAAAB0cmlja2xlLWxAdW5sLmVkdQBT TVRQAHRyaWNrbGUtbEB1bmwuZWR1AAAAAB4AAjABAAAABQAAAFNNVFAAAAAAHgADMAEAAAASAAAA dHJpY2tsZS1sQHVubC5lZHUAAAADABUMAQAAAAMA/g8GAAAAHgABMAEAAAAPAAAAJ3RyaWNrbGUg bGlzdCcAAAIBCzABAAAAFwAAAFNNVFA6VFJJQ0tMRS1MQFVOTC5FRFUAAAMAADkAAAAACwBAOgEA AAACAfYPAQAAAAQAAAAAAAAEdHoBCIAHABgAAABJUE0uTWljcm9zb2Z0IE1haWwuTm90ZQAxCAEE gAEADgAAAENPMiBJbmplY3Rpb24AhwQBBYADAA4AAADMBwoAEQAMACYAJAAEAEgBASCAAwAOAAAA zAcKABEADAAaAAgABAAgAQEJgAEAIQAAADc0NUU4MkRDMTUyOEQwMTFCOUI2NDQ0NTUzNTQwMDAw ANEGAQOQBgDkAwAAEgAAAAsAIwAAAAAAAwAmAAAAAAALACkAAAAAAAMANgAAAAAAQAA5AKAQAKVJ vLsBHgBwAAEAAAAOAAAAQ08yIEluamVjdGlvbgAAAAIBcQABAAAAFgAAAAG7vEmk79yCXncoFRHQ ubZERVNUAAAAAB4AHgwBAAAABQAAAFNNVFAAAAAAHgAfDAEAAAAaAAAAc3RvcmxpZUBhZXNvcC5y dXRnZXJzLmVkdQAAAAMABhDrmvtLAwAHEAACAAAeAAgQAQAAAGUAAABBTEw6VEhFSU5KRUNUSU9O T0ZBSVJUSFJPVUdIQURSSVBTWVNURU1NQVlSRURVQ0VXQVRFUi1MT0dHSU5HLElOQ1JFQVNJTkdU SEVPMkNPTlRFTlRPRlRIRVNPSUwsSU5DUkVBAAAAAAIBCRABAAAAbwIAAGsCAACFAwAATFpGdQln uob/AAoBDwIVAqgF6wKDAFAC8gkCAGNoCsBzZXQyNwYABsMCgzIDxQIAcHJCcRHic3RlbQKDM/cC 5AcTAoB9CoAIzwnZAoAHCoENsQtgbmcxMDMfFFALChRRC/EUsGxsOgcKhQqGAZEgVGhlICULgGoF kHRpAiAgb0xmIAtwBcB0aANgdSRnaBvQIGQFESBzJROzIADAeSAWEXVjSRrwd2ET0HItFaBnMmcL gGcsGwEFAGVh7wCQF8AcERrwTxHgBaACMM8J8AVAG7Ef0nNvAxAfC/kWEHNwG/AeQBtxHwAAcPpk HXFrGvALUQIwBCARgABwcHkuICBIb7h3ZXYEkB8AH9JDIB+LISMdc2IhEXViLRugxwXAJ1ATUGEt bwUwB3C9B0AgAhAcAhrwJyBuDcD8aWMHMScQANAeUQcwHiDmaCmAHIBsaSTQGwEmSGYoEYAjMHRv HbEsAW1vHaAkoAOgCrBwBJAb0Gf1C3EgJ4BuLEALYBxhHtOuRCRgCAAEECkkYUkcsP8sQC4ABUAn ICrQJMEcER5Avx/DGxslYgPwHCAbAHIFEP8tkBtjHjMlkAORDcEbQR/GvyngF6EeASshHKAAkGcD AFcpcSPBHXFuKVByJGFO/y/hKnAJ8BugKVAlkgCQBIFbBCAwk3MocQMgYQRgdb8glCViMJMEABvQ G1B1OLE/HaAbFAmAIwQFsBrxbXBvFbEjwTqwJQRvJNEFEGR/H5ILgBeQClA08huxJpNzvx5ACHAy 1BuBJpMleC4ZrN5DIpAysAYALDByMDEaGl9DIRmvGrAKhRUxAEVAAAMAEBAAAAAAAwAREAAAAABA AAcwgAm/5ke8uwFAAAgwgAm/5ke8uwEeAD0AAQAAAAEAAAAAAAAAWAY= ------ =_NextPart_000_01BBBD20.52625600--
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 16:06:44 +0000 From: blsanden@ucdavis.edu (Blake Sanden) Subject: Re: Using EnviroSCAN parallel to the surface. Alan, I used this technique to monitor redistribution of moisture from hoses buried 16" below the top of potato beds. Use a balling spade or maddox to cut a narrow trench across the beds once you established the stand. The tube must be at least 5" below the soil surface in the furrow and sensors centered over the hose. Be sure and put some silicone around the entrance of the wire cable into the top of the pipe. Tamping the soil back to the original density is the tricky part -- not too bad on a sandy loam though. Total subbing was no more than 20 cm. Blake Sanden Univ of CA Coop Ext -- Kern County >Greetings, > >I read the achives on the EnviroSCAN and still have some questions. >I am involved in irrigation/fertilization management of drip irrigated >vegetables in relatively porous soils. With drip irrigation in sandy >soils there is always the problem of rapid downward water movement vs >slower lateral movement. This makes it a bit difficult to use ETo >values. I am interested in measuring this lateral movement in relation >to the downward movement while using various application rates and >emitter configurations. > >So, I was thinking that if I could dig a trench so as to be able to >insert an access tube for the EnviroSCAN parallel to the surface, I >could look at the lateral flow. Can I do it?? How close can I get to >the surface, etc?? > >Any other ideas?? > >Thank you, >Alan S. Wicks >awicks@televar.com >Tri-cities, Washington, USA
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 1996 17:25:09 -0700 From: danyalk@ix.netcom.com (Danyal Kasapligil) Subject: Re: EnviroSCAN "Alan S. Wicks" <awicks@televar.com> wrote: I read the achives on the EnviroSCAN and still have some questions. I am involved in irrigation/fertilization management of drip irrigated vegetables in relatively porous soils. With drip irrigation in sandy soils there is always the problem of rapid downward water movement vs slower lateral movement. This makes it a bit difficult to use ETo values. I am interested in measuring this lateral movement in relation to the downward movement while using various application rates and emitter configurations. So, I was thinking that if I could dig a trench so as to be able to insert an access tube for the EnviroSCAN parallel to the surface, I could look at the lateral flow. Can I do it?? How close can I get to the surface, etc?? Any other ideas?? Thank you, Alan S. Wicks awicks@televar.com Tri-cities, Washington, USA Alan: I now have one season's worth of experience using the enviroSCAN in the Salinas Valley, CA and thought I'd share some of it with you. I have been involved with four "field assessment" systems working with growers to try out this new technology locally. Lateral water movement seems to be limited under drip (to various extents) regardless of soil texture. If you are interested in taking the high-tech approach using the enviroSCAN, I would encourage you to use it as a production tool rather than a research tool. By this I mean: use the enviroSCAN to improve and fine tune your irrigation management rather than to try to determine exactly what the extent of your lateral water movement is. [all you would learn is it's incredibly variable]. Depending on your crop I would encourage you to place the probes in the wetter 1/3 of the area (close to the dripper, which is really the most active root volume). In a vineyard drip and citrus micro-spray we tried putting probes next to the water source and mid-way between sources (drippers, sprayers) and found that there was very limited lateral water movement. Contributing to this was the fact that the growers were under-irrigating. The enviroSCAN will show you exactly how deep your irrigations are penetrating and how much and from which depths water is being extracted by the crop, which for our area and crops is far more useful than ET calcs. Sentek in Australia and their US distributers could give you more info.
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Sun Oct 20 00:26 EDT 1996
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 23:13:54 -0500
Message-Id: <199610200413.AA28528@crcnis1.unl.edu>
Subject: TRICKLE-L digest 624

Contents:
Re: EnviroSCAN .. underirrigating? (LodiCraig@aol.com)



Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 14:01:24 -0400 From: LodiCraig@aol.com Subject: Re: EnviroSCAN .. underirrigating? Dear Danyal Kasapligil: In a message dated 96-10-18 20:31:17 EDT, you write: << In a vineyard drip and citrus micro-spray we tried putting probes next to the water source and mid-way between sources (drippers, sprayers) and found that there was very limited lateral water movement. Contributing to this was the fact that the growers were under-irrigating. >> Please elaborate on your use of the term under-irrigating. Do you mean simply that the growers were simply irrigating at a replacement rate below maximum ETc, or at levels so low you feel they were inducing economic loss? In your opinion, do you think the orchards or vineyards were economically suffering due to the artificially restricted active root zone area induced by the limited application of water? Sincerely, Craig Thompson
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Mon Oct 21 00:31 EDT 1996
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 23:17:46 -0500
Message-Id: <199610210417.AA08656@crcnis1.unl.edu>
Subject: TRICKLE-L digest 625

Contents:
Re: Using EnviroSCAN parallel to the surface. (jetfixer@interaccess.com (B.LORCH))
Re: Air injection (GroAire@aol.com)



Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 10:39:07 -0500 From: jetfixer@interaccess.com (B.LORCH) Subject: Re: Using EnviroSCAN parallel to the surface. Dear MR. Mead, could you please do what you could to get me off this list? Thank you. William Lorch.
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 20:34:33 -0400 From: GroAire@aol.com Subject: Re: Air injection sorry no write up was ever made of the experiment. The university of Nebraska was working with us at the time and the chemical makeup had been determined by them. Dave Enyeart
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Tue Oct 22 00:31 EDT 1996
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 23:18:45 -0500
Message-Id: <199610220418.AA03470@crcnis1.unl.edu>
Subject: TRICKLE-L digest 626

Contents:
root intrusion / copper (TPiatkowsk@aol.com)
PUMPS ? PIPES ? (robert bertollo <rbert@webfront.net.au>)
RE: Effectiveness of Gypsum and Tensiometers in top 6 inches. ("Craig A. Storlie" <storlie@AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU>)
Re: PUMPS ? PIPES ?...private email? (Richard Mead <rmead@asrr.arsusda.gov>)
RE: Effectiveness of Gypsum and Tensiometers in top 6 inches. ("J.D. Oster" <oster@mail.ucr.edu>)
RE: Effectiveness of Gypsum and Tensiometers in top 6 inches. (Don Pitts <djp@ICON.IMOK.UFL.EDU>)
Re: Effectiveness of Gypsum and Tensiometers in top 6 inches. ("Alan S. Wicks" <awicks@televar.com>)
Re: Effectiveness of Gypsum and Tensiometers in top 6 inches. (Irrometer@aol.com)
Re: Air injection (blsanden@ucdavis.edu (Blake Sanden))
Re: Effectiveness of Gypsum and Tensiometers in top 6 inches. (blsanden@ucdavis.edu (Blake Sanden))
Re: PUMPS ? PIPES ? (htec@pacifier.com (Dale Kidwell))



Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 01:45:24 -0400 From: TPiatkowsk@aol.com Subject: root intrusion / copper I am interested in any available information and/or research that has been done regarding the use of copper to prevent root intrusion into sub surface drip tape. If anyone could assist me with my quest for knowledge in this area I would be grateful. Thank you, Tom Ag H2o
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 21:54:05 +1000 From: robert bertollo <rbert@webfront.net.au> Subject: PUMPS ? PIPES ? Dear subscribers, I have a irrigation problem and would like some expert advise on centrifugal pumps and pipe line friction losses . I am not sure if my questions will be relevant to trickle irrigation, so some correspondence to my personal email address would be greatfully accepted. Thankyou ROBERT BERTOLLO rbert@webfront.net.au YENDA AUSTRALIA
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 09:57:05 -0400 From: "Craig A. Storlie" <storlie@AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU> Subject: RE: Effectiveness of Gypsum and Tensiometers in top 6 inches. ------ =_NextPart_000_01BBBF36.3C897080 I use tensiometers extensively in research plots, placing about 100 = tensiometers each year at depths ranging from 6-18 inches. Yes, salts = change the osmotic potential of the soil solution and should effect = tensiometer response. We ignore this fact (yikes), I assume because the = effect is small (help me, list - anyone calculated these potentials = recently? Thinking about it a little, the tensiometer solution becomes = a salt solution over time, doesn't it?). =20 Regardless, within a 5- or 10-foot distance down a mulched, = drip-irrigated bed I have seen differences in tensiometer values of up = to 20 cb! I have always assumed that these differences were due to soil = texture differences (soil lenses, tillage anomalies) which effect water = movemnt and soil water storage characteristics, etc. Knowing that = these "uncontrollables" can effect tension reading fairly dramatically, = I suspect that the potential differences resulting from liming, = fertilizing, etc. are not worth fretting over. Growers have more = important hairs to split. Craig Storlie Extension Specialist in Agricultural Engineering Rutgers University ------ =_NextPart_000_01BBBF36.3C897080 eJ8+Ig4NAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAENgAQAAgAAAAIAAgABBJAG ADgBAAABAAAADAAAAAMAADADAAAACwAPDgAAAAACAf8PAQAAAG0AAAAAAAAAtTvCwCx3EBqhvAgA KypWwhUAAAAzB2IhWA3QEbm2REVTVAAAhIAAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAHRyaWNr bGUtbEB1bmwuZWR1AFNNVFAAdHJpY2tsZS1sQHVubC5lZHUAAAAAHgACMAEAAAAFAAAAU01UUAAA AAAeAAMwAQAAABIAAAB0cmlja2xlLWxAdW5sLmVkdQAAAAMAFQwBAAAAAwD+DwYAAAAeAAEwAQAA AA8AAAAndHJpY2tsZSBsaXN0JwAAAgELMAEAAAAXAAAAU01UUDpUUklDS0xFLUxAVU5MLkVEVQAA AwAAOQAAAAALAEA6AQAAAAIB9g8BAAAABAAAAAAAAAPfOAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNyb3NvZnQg TWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQSAAQA+AAAAUkU6IEVmZmVjdGl2ZW5lc3Mgb2YgR3lwc3VtIGFuZCBUZW5z aW9tZXRlcnMgaW4gdG9wIDYgaW5jaGVzLgDSFQEFgAMADgAAAMwHCgAVAAkAOQAFAAEAOgEBIIAD AA4AAADMBwoAFQAJACMAAQABACABAQmAAQAhAAAANEIxNjNFMzYyNDJCRDAxMUI5QjY0NDQ1NTM1 NDAwMDAAwwYBA5AGAHQFAAASAAAACwAjAAAAAAADACYAAAAAAAsAKQAAAAAAAwA2AAAAAABAADkA YD88vle/uwEeAHAAAQAAAD4AAABSRTogRWZmZWN0aXZlbmVzcyBvZiBHeXBzdW0gYW5kIFRlbnNp b21ldGVycyBpbiB0b3AgNiBpbmNoZXMuAAAAAgFxAAEAAAAWAAAAAbu/V74TNj4WTyskEdC5tkRF U1QAAAAAHgAeDAEAAAAFAAAAU01UUAAAAAAeAB8MAQAAABoAAABzdG9ybGllQGFlc29wLnJ1dGdl cnMuZWR1AAAAAwAGEPs+728DAAcQpwMAAB4ACBABAAAAZQAAAElVU0VURU5TSU9NRVRFUlNFWFRF TlNJVkVMWUlOUkVTRUFSQ0hQTE9UUyxQTEFDSU5HQUJPVVQxMDBURU5TSU9NRVRFUlNFQUNIWUVB UkFUREVQVEhTUkFOR0lOR0ZST002LTEAAAAAAgEJEAEAAADJAwAAxQMAAF4FAABMWkZ1CzHUAP8A CgEPAhUCqAXrAoMAUALyCQIAY2gKwHNldDI3BgAGwwKDMgPFAgBwckJxEeJzdGVtAoMz9wLkBxMC gH0KgAjPCdkCgAcKgQ2xC2BuZzEwMz8UUAsKFFEL8QMwAZEgSfQgdRGwIBPQAIEDcBHAEwSQBCBl eBoTdmVs9HkgC4AgFhARsArAEXDCIAtQb3RzLBxRAND5C4BnIAGgCGAFQBfgGUD3GhwA0BxAeRwB HUAFQA2wdQUwaAQgchexHRIDUiBwNi0xOBuREXAHkC7YICBZB5AcsHMHQByQHiARcRfAGfEhUCBv c/EEYHRpYxxQHIAJ8CNQywdAIwBmIsNzbwMRJKBPCkAjUAIgHUBuZCHwaP0IYGwloA3BBZAFQBoZ G8IrI5AAgGUhgVcZ8Glnfm4FsCKyBAAgcADQBUAoaHlpaweQKRywGbBhpQQQdQeAIGIFkGEZ078i 4SY1KNEjIAdAAyAoIVDYbHAgB4AcsGwEAAVAOi0lcXkCIBnwKpBsY/8l8B9gCYAiwhnhI5cf4QWQ KyPBG3A/IZBUKMBua7UdGGkFQGEswQJAbCyh/yLSJqok9ypxGmEEIDFAIgI9JOhvG1AFwCNQLJJk b8kHkG4nMPI/KSGBCoXjCoYZclJlZwsRMaAEEM8csAPwKLElYSA1LSAFsf0X4C0CEByAH4As4QBw L5C1NZF3ONJtJfAhQWQ1gfEFES1pcgUQN+AuIipw/yWgGbARgBtQIfAJ4TnhJkHfFhA6QQQgG6Em qnYHQApQiwQgJDF1LHB0byAZMThjYiEhkDy1B0B3Yb8TsCn1LkIfYS5kPXp3PbH/H4AKUD/iJKMT 0BrwCHBCnH4oJKMxoCexHKEjUCwAYf8ioQBwA3Es0CmROHAowBwx3yY1QTAnIgRgG1BtAjAldP8k skikE8AFsEbiEXIpEQZxLxPAI2AcoRHAYyGBIEvPKGAD8B0hQgkidSEwAiHvA2BGwQJgB5AiLaED oCY73RuyYTnwIFILcHIbcTuA7mEAwCNRK/F5KcIqICeA/yZjQhUjiT16G9El8CNQIFY9LNBtHREc sD2hRqFpev9Vc0wDCsAZ8ChgSIEVsRxA3wNQEcBUozTyIYFHA2BDcf8EIDzTBGAogQdwI5AAIABw fwVAEYA70AQgRAILUDEQLv02nEMgAChABgBKgUdxCoX2RRr0JVFTUhEHMSziG6G+QQnAI2BUgQhw JAFFICLvCeAFEBfACoVSHYAioBqxzlUDADUBAJB0eQqFFTECAGLQAAAAAwAQEAAAAAADABEQAAAA AEAABzDgXPOoVL+7AUAACDDgXPOoVL+7AR4APQABAAAABQAAAFJFOiAAAAAAgpU= ------ =_NextPart_000_01BBBF36.3C897080--
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 15:00:11 GMT From: Richard Mead <rmead@asrr.arsusda.gov> Subject: Re: PUMPS ? PIPES ?...private email? Regarding: >I am not sure if my questions will be relevant to trickle irrigation< Please, do discuss this openly! Pumps and pipes are part of a trickle irrigation system. It would be a shame if this aspect of our list is shunted off to personal communications. Carry on and share with all :-) R. Mead Trickle-L owner/manager
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 10:07:03 -0500 From: "J.D. Oster" <oster@mail.ucr.edu> Subject: RE: Effectiveness of Gypsum and Tensiometers in top 6 inches. Salts do not affect tensiometer readings. The ceramic pores are too large to exclude salt from moving back and forth, into and out of the solution in the cup. Consequently, differences in salt concentration cannot generate potential gradients (the ability to generate a tensiometer reading). If your interested in more details, the words used to describe the ability of salts to generate potential gradients are 'reflection coefficient'. The researchers worked on this phenomenon in the 60's and 70's. Some names include John Cary, Sterling Taylor, Doral Kemper, and John Letey. > >------ =_NextPart_000_01BBBF36.3C897080 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > I use tensiometers extensively in research plots, placing about 100 = >tensiometers each year at depths ranging from 6-18 inches. Yes, salts = >change the osmotic potential of the soil solution and should effect = >tensiometer response. We ignore this fact (yikes), I assume because the = >effect is small (help me, list - anyone calculated these potentials = >recently? Thinking about it a little, the tensiometer solution becomes = >a salt solution over time, doesn't it?). =20 > > Regardless, within a 5- or 10-foot distance down a mulched, = >drip-irrigated bed I have seen differences in tensiometer values of up = >to 20 cb! I have always assumed that these differences were due to soil = >texture differences (soil lenses, tillage anomalies) which effect water = >movemnt and soil water storage characteristics, etc. Knowing that = >these "uncontrollables" can effect tension reading fairly dramatically, = >I suspect that the potential differences resulting from liming, = >fertilizing, etc. are not worth fretting over. Growers have more = >important hairs to split. > >Craig Storlie >Extension Specialist in Agricultural Engineering >Rutgers University >------ =_NextPart_000_01BBBF36.3C897080 >Content-Type: application/ms-tnef >Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > >eJ8+Ig4NAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAENgAQAAgAAAAIAAgABBJAG >ADgBAAABAAAADAAAAAMAADADAAAACwAPDgAAAAACAf8PAQAAAG0AAAAAAAAAtTvCwCx3EBqhvAgA >KypWwhUAAAAzB2IhWA3QEbm2REVTVAAAhIAAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAHRyaWNr >bGUtbEB1bmwuZWR1AFNNVFAAdHJpY2tsZS1sQHVubC5lZHUAAAAAHgACMAEAAAAFAAAAU01UUAAA >AAAeAAMwAQAAABIAAAB0cmlja2xlLWxAdW5sLmVkdQAAAAMAFQwBAAAAAwD+DwYAAAAeAAEwAQAA >AA8AAAAndHJpY2tsZSBsaXN0JwAAAgELMAEAAAAXAAAAU01UUDpUUklDS0xFLUxAVU5MLkVEVQAA >AwAAOQAAAAALAEA6AQAAAAIB9g8BAAAABAAAAAAAAAPfOAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNyb3NvZnQg >TWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQSAAQA+AAAAUkU6IEVmZmVjdGl2ZW5lc3Mgb2YgR3lwc3VtIGFuZCBUZW5z >aW9tZXRlcnMgaW4gdG9wIDYgaW5jaGVzLgDSFQEFgAMADgAAAMwHCgAVAAkAOQAFAAEAOgEBIIAD >AA4AAADMBwoAFQAJACMAAQABACABAQmAAQAhAAAANEIxNjNFMzYyNDJCRDAxMUI5QjY0NDQ1NTM1 >NDAwMDAAwwYBA5AGAHQFAAASAAAACwAjAAAAAAADACYAAAAAAAsAKQAAAAAAAwA2AAAAAABAADkA >YD88vle/uwEeAHAAAQAAAD4AAABSRTogRWZmZWN0aXZlbmVzcyBvZiBHeXBzdW0gYW5kIFRlbnNp >b21ldGVycyBpbiB0b3AgNiBpbmNoZXMuAAAAAgFxAAEAAAAWAAAAAbu/V74TNj4WTyskEdC5tkRF >U1QAAAAAHgAeDAEAAAAFAAAAU01UUAAAAAAeAB8MAQAAABoAAABzdG9ybGllQGFlc29wLnJ1dGdl >cnMuZWR1AAAAAwAGEPs+728DAAcQpwMAAB4ACBABAAAAZQAAAElVU0VURU5TSU9NRVRFUlNFWFRF >TlNJVkVMWUlOUkVTRUFSQ0hQTE9UUyxQTEFDSU5HQUJPVVQxMDBURU5TSU9NRVRFUlNFQUNIWUVB >UkFUREVQVEhTUkFOR0lOR0ZST002LTEAAAAAAgEJEAEAAADJAwAAxQMAAF4FAABMWkZ1CzHUAP8A >CgEPAhUCqAXrAoMAUALyCQIAY2gKwHNldDI3BgAGwwKDMgPFAgBwckJxEeJzdGVtAoMz9wLkBxMC >gH0KgAjPCdkCgAcKgQ2xC2BuZzEwMz8UUAsKFFEL8QMwAZEgSfQgdRGwIBPQAIEDcBHAEwSQBCBl >eBoTdmVs9HkgC4AgFhARsArAEXDCIAtQb3RzLBxRAND5C4BnIAGgCGAFQBfgGUD3GhwA0BxAeRwB >HUAFQA2wdQUwaAQgchexHRIDUiBwNi0xOBuREXAHkC7YICBZB5AcsHMHQByQHiARcRfAGfEhUCBv >c/EEYHRpYxxQHIAJ8CNQywdAIwBmIsNzbwMRJKBPCkAjUAIgHUBuZCHwaP0IYGwloA3BBZAFQBoZ >G8IrI5AAgGUhgVcZ8Glnfm4FsCKyBAAgcADQBUAoaHlpaweQKRywGbBhpQQQdQeAIGIFkGEZ078i >4SY1KNEjIAdAAyAoIVDYbHAgB4AcsGwEAAVAOi0lcXkCIBnwKpBsY/8l8B9gCYAiwhnhI5cf4QWQ >KyPBG3A/IZBUKMBua7UdGGkFQGEswQJAbCyh/yLSJqok9ypxGmEEIDFAIgI9JOhvG1AFwCNQLJJk >b8kHkG4nMPI/KSGBCoXjCoYZclJlZwsRMaAEEM8csAPwKLElYSA1LSAFsf0X4C0CEByAH4As4QBw >L5C1NZF3ONJtJfAhQWQ1gfEFES1pcgUQN+AuIipw/yWgGbARgBtQIfAJ4TnhJkHfFhA6QQQgG6Em >qnYHQApQiwQgJDF1LHB0byAZMThjYiEhkDy1B0B3Yb8TsCn1LkIfYS5kPXp3PbH/H4AKUD/iJKMT >0BrwCHBCnH4oJKMxoCexHKEjUCwAYf8ioQBwA3Es0CmROHAowBwx3yY1QTAnIgRgG1BtAjAldP8k >skikE8AFsEbiEXIpEQZxLxPAI2AcoRHAYyGBIEvPKGAD8B0hQgkidSEwAiHvA2BGwQJgB5AiLaED >oCY73RuyYTnwIFILcHIbcTuA7mEAwCNRK/F5KcIqICeA/yZjQhUjiT16G9El8CNQIFY9LNBtHREc >sD2hRqFpev9Vc0wDCsAZ8ChgSIEVsRxA3wNQEcBUozTyIYFHA2BDcf8EIDzTBGAogQdwI5AAIABw >fwVAEYA70AQgRAILUDEQLv02nEMgAChABgBKgUdxCoX2RRr0JVFTUhEHMSziG6G+QQnAI2BUgQhw >JAFFICLvCeAFEBfACoVSHYAioBqxzlUDADUBAJB0eQqFFTECAGLQAAAAAwAQEAAAAAADABEQAAAA >AEAABzDgXPOoVL+7AUAACDDgXPOoVL+7AR4APQABAAAABQAAAFJFOiAAAAAAgpU= > >------ =_NextPart_000_01BBBF36.3C897080-- > > J.D.(Jim) Oster Dept. of Soil & Env. Sciences University of California Riverside, CA 92521 Phone (909)787-5100 FAX (909)787-5522
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 12:22:40 -0500 (EST) From: Don Pitts <djp@ICON.IMOK.UFL.EDU> Subject: RE: Effectiveness of Gypsum and Tensiometers in top 6 inches. Craig, Since the porous cup walls of the tensiometer is permeable to both water and solutes, the water inside of the tensiometer tends to be same solute concentration as the soil water. Thus, the tensiometer does not measure osmotic forces. Don Pitts At 09:33 AM 10/21/96 -0500, you wrote: > >------ =_NextPart_000_01BBBF36.3C897080 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > I use tensiometers extensively in research plots, placing about 100 = >tensiometers each year at depths ranging from 6-18 inches. Yes, salts = >change the osmotic potential of the soil solution and should effect = >tensiometer response. We ignore this fact (yikes), I assume because the = >effect is small (help me, list - anyone calculated these potentials = >recently? Thinking about it a little, the tensiometer solution becomes = >a salt solution over time, doesn't it?). =20 > > Regardless, within a 5- or 10-foot distance down a mulched, = >drip-irrigated bed I have seen differences in tensiometer values of up = >to 20 cb! I have always assumed that these differences were due to soil = >texture differences (soil lenses, tillage anomalies) which effect water = >movemnt and soil water storage characteristics, etc. Knowing that = >these "uncontrollables" can effect tension reading fairly dramatically, = >I suspect that the potential differences resulting from liming, = >fertilizing, etc. are not worth fretting over. Growers have more = >important hairs to split. > >Craig Storlie >Extension Specialist in Agricultural Engineering >Rutgers University >------ =_NextPart_000_01BBBF36.3C897080 >Content-Type: application/ms-tnef >Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > >eJ8+Ig4NAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAENgAQAAgAAAAIAAgABBJAG >ADgBAAABAAAADAAAAAMAADADAAAACwAPDgAAAAACAf8PAQAAAG0AAAAAAAAAtTvCwCx3EBqhvAgA >KypWwhUAAAAzB2IhWA3QEbm2REVTVAAAhIAAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAHRyaWNr >bGUtbEB1bmwuZWR1AFNNVFAAdHJpY2tsZS1sQHVubC5lZHUAAAAAHgACMAEAAAAFAAAAU01UUAAA >AAAeAAMwAQAAABIAAAB0cmlja2xlLWxAdW5sLmVkdQAAAAMAFQwBAAAAAwD+DwYAAAAeAAEwAQAA >AA8AAAAndHJpY2tsZSBsaXN0JwAAAgELMAEAAAAXAAAAU01UUDpUUklDS0xFLUxAVU5MLkVEVQAA >AwAAOQAAAAALAEA6AQAAAAIB9g8BAAAABAAAAAAAAAPfOAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNyb3NvZnQg >TWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQSAAQA+AAAAUkU6IEVmZmVjdGl2ZW5lc3Mgb2YgR3lwc3VtIGFuZCBUZW5z >aW9tZXRlcnMgaW4gdG9wIDYgaW5jaGVzLgDSFQEFgAMADgAAAMwHCgAVAAkAOQAFAAEAOgEBIIAD >AA4AAADMBwoAFQAJACMAAQABACABAQmAAQAhAAAANEIxNjNFMzYyNDJCRDAxMUI5QjY0NDQ1NTM1 >NDAwMDAAwwYBA5AGAHQFAAASAAAACwAjAAAAAAADACYAAAAAAAsAKQAAAAAAAwA2AAAAAABAADkA >YD88vle/uwEeAHAAAQAAAD4AAABSRTogRWZmZWN0aXZlbmVzcyBvZiBHeXBzdW0gYW5kIFRlbnNp >b21ldGVycyBpbiB0b3AgNiBpbmNoZXMuAAAAAgFxAAEAAAAWAAAAAbu/V74TNj4WTyskEdC5tkRF >U1QAAAAAHgAeDAEAAAAFAAAAU01UUAAAAAAeAB8MAQAAABoAAABzdG9ybGllQGFlc29wLnJ1dGdl >cnMuZWR1AAAAAwAGEPs+728DAAcQpwMAAB4ACBABAAAAZQAAAElVU0VURU5TSU9NRVRFUlNFWFRF >TlNJVkVMWUlOUkVTRUFSQ0hQTE9UUyxQTEFDSU5HQUJPVVQxMDBURU5TSU9NRVRFUlNFQUNIWUVB >UkFUREVQVEhTUkFOR0lOR0ZST002LTEAAAAAAgEJEAEAAADJAwAAxQMAAF4FAABMWkZ1CzHUAP8A >CgEPAhUCqAXrAoMAUALyCQIAY2gKwHNldDI3BgAGwwKDMgPFAgBwckJxEeJzdGVtAoMz9wLkBxMC >gH0KgAjPCdkCgAcKgQ2xC2BuZzEwMz8UUAsKFFEL8QMwAZEgSfQgdRGwIBPQAIEDcBHAEwSQBCBl >eBoTdmVs9HkgC4AgFhARsArAEXDCIAtQb3RzLBxRAND5C4BnIAGgCGAFQBfgGUD3GhwA0BxAeRwB >HUAFQA2wdQUwaAQgchexHRIDUiBwNi0xOBuREXAHkC7YICBZB5AcsHMHQByQHiARcRfAGfEhUCBv >c/EEYHRpYxxQHIAJ8CNQywdAIwBmIsNzbwMRJKBPCkAjUAIgHUBuZCHwaP0IYGwloA3BBZAFQBoZ >G8IrI5AAgGUhgVcZ8Glnfm4FsCKyBAAgcADQBUAoaHlpaweQKRywGbBhpQQQdQeAIGIFkGEZ078i >4SY1KNEjIAdAAyAoIVDYbHAgB4AcsGwEAAVAOi0lcXkCIBnwKpBsY/8l8B9gCYAiwhnhI5cf4QWQ >KyPBG3A/IZBUKMBua7UdGGkFQGEswQJAbCyh/yLSJqok9ypxGmEEIDFAIgI9JOhvG1AFwCNQLJJk >b8kHkG4nMPI/KSGBCoXjCoYZclJlZwsRMaAEEM8csAPwKLElYSA1LSAFsf0X4C0CEByAH4As4QBw >L5C1NZF3ONJtJfAhQWQ1gfEFES1pcgUQN+AuIipw/yWgGbARgBtQIfAJ4TnhJkHfFhA6QQQgG6Em >qnYHQApQiwQgJDF1LHB0byAZMThjYiEhkDy1B0B3Yb8TsCn1LkIfYS5kPXp3PbH/H4AKUD/iJKMT >0BrwCHBCnH4oJKMxoCexHKEjUCwAYf8ioQBwA3Es0CmROHAowBwx3yY1QTAnIgRgG1BtAjAldP8k >skikE8AFsEbiEXIpEQZxLxPAI2AcoRHAYyGBIEvPKGAD8B0hQgkidSEwAiHvA2BGwQJgB5AiLaED >oCY73RuyYTnwIFILcHIbcTuA7mEAwCNRK/F5KcIqICeA/yZjQhUjiT16G9El8CNQIFY9LNBtHREc >sD2hRqFpev9Vc0wDCsAZ8ChgSIEVsRxA3wNQEcBUozTyIYFHA2BDcf8EIDzTBGAogQdwI5AAIABw >fwVAEYA70AQgRAILUDEQLv02nEMgAChABgBKgUdxCoX2RRr0JVFTUhEHMSziG6G+QQnAI2BUgQhw >JAFFICLvCeAFEBfACoVSHYAioBqxzlUDADUBAJB0eQqFFTECAGLQAAAAAwAQEAAAAAADABEQAAAA >AEAABzDgXPOoVL+7AUAACDDgXPOoVL+7AR4APQABAAAABQAAAFJFOiAAAAAAgpU= > >------ =_NextPart_000_01BBBF36.3C897080-- > >
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 09:55:42 -0700 From: "Alan S. Wicks" <awicks@televar.com> Subject: Re: Effectiveness of Gypsum and Tensiometers in top 6 inches. Craig A. Storlie wrote: > Regardless, within a 5- or 10-foot distance down a mulched, = > drip-irrigated bed I have seen differences in tensiometer values of up = > to 20 cb! I have always assumed that these differences were due to soil = > texture differences (soil lenses, tillage anomalies) which effect water = > movement and soil water storage characteristics, etc. I have found that the placement of the tensiometer in relation to the emitter is critical to reproducibility of the reading. Also, the root density, which is a function of water, O2 and CO2 levels in the soil atmosphere, and fertility, would obviously change the rate of change in soils moisture. Since root density is often highest between 2 and 15 cm from the emitter ( I rarely find roots at the emitter when using daily irrigations) a tensiometer 30+ cm to the side will react rather differently than one in the middle of the root zone. As regards the change in osmotic potential, an approximate relationship between the EC (dS/m) and the osmotic pressure (kPa) is osmotic pressure (kPa) = 40EC @25C. We can let somebody at the Tensiometer group turn that into a change in tensiometer reading. Since my experience with drip has been on rapidly drained soils in warm climates where daily irrigation was the norm, I am not familiar with the changes that would occur in heavy soils with less frequent irrigations. Sincerely yours, Alan S. Wicks
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 15:00:57 -0400 From: Irrometer@aol.com Subject: Re: Effectiveness of Gypsum and Tensiometers in top 6 inches. In a message dated 96-10-19 06:10:22 EDT, you write: (Peter Broomhall) >I am after a little bit of information on the use of Gypsum blocks and >tensiometers within the top 6 inches of soil. The tensiometer does not "see" any of the effect on the ability of the plant to extract water caused by the osmotic potential. The salts are in solution and move across the cup of the tensiometer with the soil water. If the EC of the soil solution is such that it could impede water uptake, it would be necessary to monitor this condition with suction lysimeters or some sort of portable EC meter, so as to implement periodic leaching of accumulated salts. This would apply to the 6" depth together with any other "depth" which contained the active portion of the plant root system. Depending on the effective rooting depth of the crop, soil water status measurements are normally taken at the bottom of the top 1/4 of the effective rooting depth and at the bottom of top 3/4 of the same, with this area accounting for roughly 90% of the water extracted by the root system of a well watered crop (assuming this is the goal). As far as pH and temperature are concerned, I know of no effect which they can have on a tensiometric measurement. I'll leave that subject to others better trained than I in soil chemistry and soil physics. Regards, Bill Pogue
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 19:29:10 +0000 From: blsanden@ucdavis.edu (Blake Sanden) Subject: Re: Air injection Dave, I too am much intrigued by your 'in-field' potato crisps. Did you indeed create nitric acid? If so, any idea of the energy and equipment cost if one wanted to set up a production unit? You see the old sulfur burners in CA don't meet current air quality standards and many of our waters and soils would benefit be acidification. Growers, however, are reluctant to have poly tanks of bulk acid sitting around due to liability. Any thoughts? Blake Sanden Irrigation Farm Advisor, Kern County >Dear Dave: > >In a message dated 96-10-17 00:25:54 EDT, you write: > ><< I built a large scale Jacobs ladder > inside a air tight chamber and passed the air from my generation station > through it before it was distributed throughout my laterals. The object was > to generate nitrogen just as lighting does. It worked too well. I killed 1 > acre of potatoes because the end result was nitric acid in the soil. A >little > would have been nice to buffer that aslkaline soil, But I went too far and > crispied the whole lotl >> > >Do you have a write up on your experiment? How did you come to the >conclusion that you burned the potatoes with "generated" Nitric acid? ... Did >you consider the posibility that you generated toxic levels of ozone (03)? > (or some other harsh chemical critter?) > >Cheers, >Craig Thompson
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 19:29:14 +0000 From: blsanden@ucdavis.edu (Blake Sanden) Subject: Re: Effectiveness of Gypsum and Tensiometers in top 6 inches. Thanks Alan and Jim Oster for the pertinent remarks on tensiometers!! Alan, do you have a reference for your osmotic pressure equivalency? Years ago Don Grimes, UC Extension Specialist at the Kearney Ag Center gave me an equation for equivalent osmotic stress based on the saturation paste EC extract and % saturation in the field. Unfortunately, I have lost this reference. Jim, perhaps you can help. A saline soil with ECe of say 6 dS/m could conceivably concentrate to 15 or higher before an irrigation. Using Alan's equation this would only produce 0.6 MPa osmotic pressure or 6 cb 'tension'. This is nothing!! My increasingly forgetful brain says that this kind of salt level results in several bars of osmotic potential. Set me straight, gents. Blake Sanden UCCE Kern County > >As regards the change in osmotic potential, an approximate relationship >between the EC (dS/m) and the osmotic pressure (kPa) is osmotic pressure >(kPa) = 40EC @25C. We can let somebody at the Tensiometer group turn >that into a change in tensiometer reading. > >Since my experience with drip has been on rapidly drained soils in warm >climates where daily irrigation was the norm, I am not familiar with the >changes that would occur in heavy soils with less frequent irrigations. > >Sincerely yours, >Alan S. Wicks
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 21:16:36 -0800 From: htec@pacifier.com (Dale Kidwell) Subject: Re: PUMPS ? PIPES ? >Dear subscribers, >I have a irrigation problem and would like some expert advise on centrifugal >pumps and pipe line friction losses . >I am not sure if my questions will be relevant to trickle irrigation, so >some correspondence to my personal email address would be greatfully accepted. > >Thankyou > >ROBERT BERTOLLO rbert@webfront.net.au >YENDA >AUSTRALIA > Dear Robert I have been in the irrigation and pumping business for about 20 years. now that it is raining here in the pacific northwest. I may be of help to you. Please share your problem with this group. I am sure with all the action on this site someone will be able to solve your problems> > >
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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 23:25:26 -0500
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Contents:
Re: Effectiveness of Gypsum and Tensiometers in top 6 inches. (Hortech Services Pty Ltd <hortech@www.ats.com.au>)
Pumps and pipes (robert bertollo <rbert@webfront.net.au>)
Pressure head drop-off formula query ("Bruce Metelerkamp" <BRUCE@mailgate.icfrnet.unp.ac.za>)
Re: Media vs. screen??? (LodiCraig@aol.com)
Tensiometers and things forgotten ("Craig A. Storlie" <storlie@AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU>)
UNSUBSCRIBE (John Malone <john_malone@malone.net>)
Pressure at house ("Dirk Keeler" <Dirk@zianet.com>)
osmotic potentials of salt solutions ("J.D. Oster" <oster@mail.ucr.edu>)
osmotic potentials/tensiometers and gypsum blocks ("J.D. Oster" <oster@mail.ucr.edu>)
unsubscribe (delchiaro_jeff <jeff@mpd.tandem.com>)
Re: Effectiveness of Gypsum and Tensiometers in top 6 inches. (Irrometer@aol.com)
unsubscibe (bhays <bhays@taipan.nmsu.edu>)
unsubscribe (wcs5@cornell.edu (Warren C. Stiles))
Re: Pressure head drop-off formula query (ges@owt.com (Marty Grogan))
Re: Pumps and pipes (Dripigate@aol.com)



Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 20:15:59 +1000 From: Hortech Services Pty Ltd <hortech@www.ats.com.au> Subject: Re: Effectiveness of Gypsum and Tensiometers in top 6 inches. At 09:24 PM 21/10/96 -0500, you wrote: >Thanks Alan and Jim Oster for the pertinent remarks on tensiometers!! > >Alan, do you have a reference for your osmotic pressure equivalency? Years >ago Don Grimes, UC Extension Specialist at the Kearney Ag Center gave me an >equation for equivalent osmotic stress based on the saturation paste EC >extract and % saturation in the field. Unfortunately, I have lost this >reference. Jim, perhaps you can help. > >A saline soil with ECe of say 6 dS/m could conceivably concentrate to 15 or >higher before an irrigation. Using Alan's equation this would only produce >0.6 MPa osmotic pressure or 6 cb 'tension'. This is nothing!! My >increasingly forgetful brain says that this kind of salt level results in >several bars of osmotic potential. Set me straight, gents. > >Blake Sanden >UCCE Kern County >> If there is a possible effect to tensiometer reading, how now does it effect the readings obtained from a Gypsum Block ? A large number of farmers are now looking at fertigation as a main method of fertilizer application. Many also are irrigating over a confined area (mini-sprinklers and drip)more frequently. Would you expect to see under these conditions possible fluctuations in soil chemical properties (eg conductivity, pH) within a short period of time (eg weekly to monthly)? If this is so, and based on the comments above and that of Bill Pogue, would not the Irrigation Full Points and Refill Points set when using Gypsum Blocks and Tensiometers need constant re-adjustment through out the growing season ? Regards Peter Broomhall Peter Broomhall Horticulural Consultant Hortech Services Pty Ltd a.c.n. 060 406 957 P.O. Box 370 Kallangur QLD 4503 Australia P: +61 418 708 573 F: +61 7 3886 0389 hortech@ats.com.au
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 21:37:07 +1000 From: robert bertollo <rbert@webfront.net.au> Subject: Pumps and pipes Thankyou for your response on pumps and pipes . My drip irrigation system is currently overloaded by a corrupted water source . My pump site is located 500 meters from a clean water source . The water feeds into a 10 inch main into drip system etc. It seems the only way to fix the problem is to move the pump site 500 meters to the clean water source and piping to the main, or will a 500 meter suction line work ? There is an even fall from the pump site to the clean water source of 2.5 meters(2.5 m head) . If a suction line works , would any further power be required to pump the same water. What problems can be associated with long suction lines (I have always been told , the shorter the suction, the better)? I am pumping 340 CuM/hr (1530 US g/m)at 50 m head. What size pipe should I use if sucking 500 m or pumping the 500 m ? My PUMP -KSB AJAX MEGA 2000 125-250 STD IMP. thankyou . Robert
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 13:59:44 +200 From: "Bruce Metelerkamp" <BRUCE@mailgate.icfrnet.unp.ac.za> Subject: Pressure head drop-off formula query Could any supply Cliff Simms with a formula or an answer to the question below? If so, please send directly to him please as he is not subscribed. Thanks ======== Cliff Sims asks: Can anyone tell me how to estimate water pressure in a gravity-fed system. For example I am planning to supply water from a tank about 40 metres higher than my house thru about 500 metres of 1" pipe. What pressure can I expect at the house? Thanks in advance... -- Cliff Sims Tasman Pulp & Paper Co Ltd, Email: cliffs@tasman.co.nz New Zealand Web: http://www.tasman.co.nz/tasman/
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:43:50 -0400 From: LodiCraig@aol.com Subject: Re: Media vs. screen??? The comment was made a while back, as In a message dated 96-10-15 14:14:11 EDT: << In my experience one should never depend on only one filter, of whatever kind, to remove all that gunk. Whatever has happened to the concept of pre-filtering by various means before a final fine filtation ? >> And there is exactly why I like sand media filters ... besides being sacrificial (always cleans itself by letting go) when particularly sticky contaminants come along ... all sand media filters have a dual filtration system ... the media ... and the screens that keep the media in place and act as secondary filters. Stacking different grades of sand give you a progressive filtration system if needed. Of course, heavy sand brought up by pumps must be settled or spun of first, else the sand media filters get jammed with it. That's my personal preferance anyway... sand media filters. Cheers, Craig Thompson
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 10:01:20 -0400 From: "Craig A. Storlie" <storlie@AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU> Subject: Tensiometers and things forgotten ------ =_NextPart_000_01BBBFFF.FC458200 List: Thanks for the reeducation! Learning as we speak, Craig ------ =_NextPart_000_01BBBFFF.FC458200 eJ8+IhkOAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAENgAQAAgAAAAIAAgABBJAG ADgBAAABAAAADAAAAAMAADACAAAACwAPDgAAAAACAf8PAQAAAG0AAAAAAAAAtTvCwCx3EBqhvAgA KypWwhUAAAAzB2IhWA3QEbm2REVTVAAAhIAAAAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAHRyaWNr bGUtbEB1bmwuZWR1AFNNVFAAdHJpY2tsZS1sQHVubC5lZHUAAAAAHgACMAEAAAAFAAAAU01UUAAA AAAeAAMwAQAAABIAAAB0cmlja2xlLWxAdW5sLmVkdQAAAAMAFQwBAAAAAwD+DwYAAAAeAAEwAQAA AA8AAAAndHJpY2tsZSBsaXN0JwAAAgELMAEAAAAXAAAAU01UUDpUUklDS0xFLUxAVU5MLkVEVQAA AwAAOQAAAAALAEA6AQAAAAIB9g8BAAAABAAAAAAAAALdOAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNyb3NvZnQg TWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQSAAQAiAAAAVGVuc2lvbWV0ZXJzIGFuZCB0aGluZ3MgZm9yZ290dGVuAPoM AQWAAwAOAAAAzAcKABYACgABABQAAgAUAQEggAMADgAAAMwHCgAWAAkANwAmAAIAWwEBCYABACEA AABDNTQ4MDc5RUVGMkJEMDExQjlCNjQ0NDU1MzU0MDAwMADzBgEDkAYAFAIAABIAAAALACMAAAAA AAMAJgAAAAAACwApAAAAAAADADYAAAAAAEAAOQDgh8iAIcC7AR4AcAABAAAAIgAAAFRlbnNpb21l dGVycyBhbmQgdGhpbmdzIGZvcmdvdHRlbgAAAAIBcQABAAAAFgAAAAG7wCGAsJ4HSM4r7xHQubZE RVNUAAAAAB4AHgwBAAAABQAAAFNNVFAAAAAAHgAfDAEAAAAaAAAAc3RvcmxpZUBhZXNvcC5ydXRn ZXJzLmVkdQAAAAMABhDIfLojAwAHEDMAAAAeAAgQAQAAADQAAABMSVNUOlRIQU5LU0ZPUlRIRVJF RURVQ0FUSU9OTEVBUk5JTkdBU1dFU1BFQUssQ1JBSUcAAgEJEAEAAAC/AAAAuwAAADUBAABMWkZ1 GYBlF/8ACgEPAhUCqAXrAoMAUALyCQIAY2gKwHNldDI3BgAGwwKDMgPFAgBwckJxEeJzdGVtAoMz 9wLkBxMCgH0KgAjPCdkCgAcKgQ2xC2BuZzEwM08UUAsKFFEL8SBMBAB0TjoKhQqGAZEgVBGAbg5r BCACEAXAdGhlIIEJ0WR1Y2F0aQIg5iEaFgqFTGUKwAMAF8CUIGEEIHcbsHNwHZCkaywKhUNyC3Bn CoUFFTEAIEAAAwAQEAAAAAADABEQAAAAAEAABzCA7Xa0IMC7AUAACDCA7Xa0IMC7AR4APQABAAAA AQAAAAAAAAAtew== ------ =_NextPart_000_01BBBFFF.FC458200--
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:43:36 -0500 From: John Malone <john_malone@malone.net> Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE unsubscribe
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 09:30:03 -0600 From: "Dirk Keeler" <Dirk@zianet.com> Subject: Pressure at house Cliff Sims, You need to give us one more bit of data - At what rate do you want to use the water? In other words, how many gallons per min (gpm) or cubic meters per min/sec do you need? The static pressure (all valves closed) in the pipe you described will be about 57psi (sorry, pounds per square inch, I'm in the US and don't know what units you use there, kPa?) If we had the flow rate we could calculate the loss due to friction and subtract it from the 57 psi. So the answer is something less than 57psi. Dirk Keeler New Mexico Irrigation Dirk@zianet.com
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 10:19:38 -0500 From: "J.D. Oster" <oster@mail.ucr.edu> Subject: osmotic potentials of salt solutions Osmotic potential of salt solutions at 25 C equals 0.4 times electrical conductivity (EC) when EC is expressed in units of dS/m or mmho/cm; 1 dS/m = 1 mmho/cm. A 6 dS/m salt solution has an osmotic potential of -2.4 bars. At 09:24 PM 10/21/96 -0500, you wrote: >Thanks Alan and Jim Oster for the pertinent remarks on tensiometers!! > >Alan, do you have a reference for your osmotic pressure equivalency? Years >ago Don Grimes, UC Extension Specialist at the Kearney Ag Center gave me an >equation for equivalent osmotic stress based on the saturation paste EC >extract and % saturation in the field. Unfortunately, I have lost this >reference. Jim, perhaps you can help. > >A saline soil with ECe of say 6 dS/m could conceivably concentrate to 15 or >higher before an irrigation. Using Alan's equation this would only produce >0.6 MPa osmotic pressure or 6 cb 'tension'. This is nothing!! My >increasingly forgetful brain says that this kind of salt level results in >several bars of osmotic potential. Set me straight, gents. > >Blake Sanden >UCCE Kern County >> >>As regards the change in osmotic potential, an approximate relationship >>between the EC (dS/m) and the osmotic pressure (kPa) is osmotic pressure >>(kPa) = 40EC @25C. We can let somebody at the Tensiometer group turn >>that into a change in tensiometer reading. >> >>Since my experience with drip has been on rapidly drained soils in warm >>climates where daily irrigation was the norm, I am not familiar with the >>changes that would occur in heavy soils with less frequent irrigations. >> >>Sincerely yours, >>Alan S. Wicks > > > J.D.(Jim) Oster Dept. of Soil & Env. Sciences University of California Riverside, CA 92521 Phone (909)787-5100 FAX (909)787-5522
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 10:19:42 -0500 From: "J.D. Oster" <oster@mail.ucr.edu> Subject: osmotic potentials/tensiometers and gypsum blocks Osmotic potential/tensiometers: Since salt molecules move freely through the ceramic, salt concentration gradients across the ceramic DO NOT affect the tensiometer reading. Put a tensiometer filled with distilled water and reading 0 cbars into a salt solution of your choice and see if the reading changes. Osmotic potential/gypsum blocks. Gypsum blocks are electrical conductivity cells. The electical resistance to current conductance between the electrodes depends on the water content of the gypsum block: the dryer the block the higher the resistance. The resistance also depends on the salt concentration of the water in the gypsum block. The salt concentration in the block will equal about 0.015 molar when it is in equilibrium with distilled water. This is the concentration of a saturated gypsum solution -- a solution in equilibrium with gypsum. This concentration is not fixed: if the block is exposed to solutions containing any chloride salts (e.g. calcium chloride, magnesium chloride, sodium chloride), or sodium and magnesium sulfate, or sodium and magnesium bicarbonate the salt concentration in the block will increase. The gypsum of the gypsum block will buffer, to a limited extent, the effects of calcium chloride and will buffer, to a considerable extent, the effects of calcium bicarbonat. Sorry for the long bit about inorganic chemistry in the presence of gypsum! As the concentration increases the resistance to currant conductance between the electrodes decreases. At 05:10 AM 10/22/96 -0500, you wrote: >At 09:24 PM 21/10/96 -0500, you wrote: >>Thanks Alan and Jim Oster for the pertinent remarks on tensiometers!! >> >>Alan, do you have a reference for your osmotic pressure equivalency? Years >>ago Don Grimes, UC Extension Specialist at the Kearney Ag Center gave me an >>equation for equivalent osmotic stress based on the saturation paste EC >>extract and % saturation in the field. Unfortunately, I have lost this >>reference. Jim, perhaps you can help. >> >>A saline soil with ECe of say 6 dS/m could conceivably concentrate to 15 or >>higher before an irrigation. Using Alan's equation this would only produce >>0.6 MPa osmotic pressure or 6 cb 'tension'. This is nothing!! My >>increasingly forgetful brain says that this kind of salt level results in >>several bars of osmotic potential. Set me straight, gents. >> >>Blake Sanden >>UCCE Kern County >>> > >If there is a possible effect to tensiometer reading, how now does it effect >the readings obtained from a Gypsum Block ? > >A large number of farmers are now looking at fertigation as a main method of >fertilizer application. Many also are irrigating over a confined area >(mini-sprinklers and drip)more frequently. Would you expect to see under >these conditions possible fluctuations in soil chemical properties (eg >conductivity, pH) within a short period of time (eg weekly to monthly)? If >this is so, and based on the comments above and that of Bill Pogue, would >not the Irrigation Full Points and Refill Points set when using Gypsum >Blocks and Tensiometers need constant re-adjustment through out the growing >season ? > >Regards > >Peter Broomhall > > >Peter Broomhall >Horticulural Consultant > >Hortech Services Pty Ltd >a.c.n. 060 406 957 >P.O. Box 370 >Kallangur QLD 4503 >Australia > >P: +61 418 708 573 >F: +61 7 3886 0389 > >hortech@ats.com.au > > J.D.(Jim) Oster Dept. of Soil & Env. Sciences University of California Riverside, CA 92521 Phone (909)787-5100 FAX (909)787-5522
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 11:15:13 -0700 From: delchiaro_jeff <jeff@mpd.tandem.com> Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe jeff@mpd.tandem.com
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 14:27:45 -0400 From: Irrometer@aol.com Subject: Re: Effectiveness of Gypsum and Tensiometers in top 6 inches. In a message dated 96-10-22 07:41:00 EDT, Peter Broomhall said: >If there is a possible effect to tensiometer reading, how now does it effect >the readings obtained from a Gypsum Block ? > >A large number of farmers are now looking at fertigation as a main method of >fertilizer application. Many also are irrigating over a confined area >(mini-sprinklers and drip)more frequently. Would you expect to see under >these conditions possible fluctuations in soil chemical properties (eg >conductivity, pH) within a short period of time (eg weekly to monthly)? If >this is so, and based on the comments above and that of Bill Pogue, would >not the Irrigation Full Points and Refill Points set when using Gypsum >Blocks and Tensiometers need constant re-adjustment through out the growing >season ? > > The above message from Peter Broomhall seems to indicate that this discussion is moving onto a tangent. The tensiometer "reading" is NOT affected by EC, and thus EC has no effect whatsoever on the "Full" and "Refill" points of a given soil. The effect of EC would have an impact on the osmatic potential and thus the ability of the root system to extract water by limiting it (even in a soil water condition of "Full"). You can't measure osmatic potential with a tensiometer, and thus matric potential is a separate matter (and vice versa). " Gypsum Blocks", since their method of operation is to measure the electrical resistance between two electrodes imbedded in the block, can be affected by EC levels which reached a point wherein the "gypsum" could no longer function as an adequate buffer. I don't know what that point is--it likely could vary from one situation to the next (perhaps also from one "block" to the next). The point is this--if salinity is a problem it needs to be addressed as a separate, but related, matter in terms of managing irrigation events and it would require measurement of and by itself to provide for an adequate leaching fraction. I think Jim Oster ought to perhaps comment on these issues of matric potential vs. osmatic potential, tensiometric vs. electrical resistance, EC vs pH, irrigating to "Fill" vs irrigating to "leach", EC's of 0.5 vs 5.0, apples vs oranges, Grayeagle vs Riverside. If you get enough balls in the air even the juggler could get confused--and I'm not the best juggler (Blake, Jim and many others would agree to that). Regards, Bill Pogue, Irrometer Company
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 12:37:09 -0600 (MDT) From: bhays <bhays@taipan.nmsu.edu> Subject: unsubscibe ---------- Forwarded message ---------- unsubscribe
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 14:57:56 -0400 (EDT) From: wcs5@cornell.edu (Warren C. Stiles) Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe wcs5@cornell.edu
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 12:52:31 -0700 From: ges@owt.com (Marty Grogan) Subject: Re: Pressure head drop-off formula query >Could any supply Cliff Simms with a formula or an answer to the >question below? If so, please send directly to him please as he >is not subscribed. Thanks >======== > >Cliff Sims asks: > >Can anyone tell me how to estimate water pressure in a >gravity-fed system. For example I am planning to supply water >from a tank about 40 metres higher than my house thru about 500 >metres of 1" pipe. >What pressure can I expect at the house? >Thanks in advance... >-- >Cliff Sims Tasman Pulp & Paper Co Ltd, >Email: cliffs@tasman.co.nz New Zealand >Web: http://www.tasman.co.nz/tasman/ > The specific density of water is about one gram per ml. A one meter column of water presents one kilogram/cm^2 pressure at the base of the column. In English units, water weighs about 62.4 pounds/ft^3. Therefore, a one-foot column of water presents 62.4/144 pounds per in^2 at its base. The static pressure at the base of a column of water, measured in feet, regardless of the crosssection of the column, is approximately 1/2 psi/ft. The 40 meters elevation difference presents a maximum base pressure of 40 kg/cm^2, nearly 60 psi. Given the viscosity of water, unrestricted flow should provide about 10-15 gpm at the low end.
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 00:27:26 -0400 From: Dripigate@aol.com Subject: Re: Pumps and pipes A considerable mix!in Puping plant. I am surprised Mather and Platt are not involved. Basically is the problem a "pumping problem?" or is it a water quality problem, Essentially if the pump sump and pumping condition are attended to then the water quality can be addressed prior to injection to the drip system. My experience i s, that it is far more practical to adress the water quality issue prior to pumping!
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Thu Oct 24 00:51 EDT 1996
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 23:27:15 -0500
Message-Id: <199610240427.AA01129@crcnis1.unl.edu>
Subject: TRICKLE-L digest 628

Contents:
Re: Media vs. screen??? (Dripigate@aol.com)
Water Reuse Association of California (Manrique Brenes <mjbrenes@ucdavis.edu>)
Drip lateral movement (Yan.Diczbalis@DPIF.nt.gov.au)
Re: Water Reuse Association of California (Scott Matyac <scott_matyac@water.ca.gov>)
Re: Effectiveness of Gypsum and Tensiometers in top 6 inches. ("Alan S. Wicks" <awicks@televar.com>)
Re: Drip lateral movement (Rodney Ruskin <geoflow1@slip.net>)
An international meeting: Call for papers (Richard Mead <rmead@asrr.arsusda.gov>)
Re: Media vs. screen??? (Jean Piaget <henri@ilink.nis.za>)
Re: Drip lateral movement (Richard Mead <rmead@cybergate.com>)
Re: An international meeting: Call for papers (Jomaa Ben-Hassine <jbh@worldnet.att.net>)
Re: Drip lateral movement ("Alan S. Wicks" <awicks@televar.com>)
Trickle Irrigation of Apples ("John A. Cline" <ac620@freenet.hamilton.on.ca>)
Re: Effectiveness of Gypsum and Tensiometers in top 6 inches. (Hortech Services Pty Ltd <hortech@www.ats.com.au>)
Re: Drip lateral movement (ges@owt.com (Marty Grogan))
Re: Air injection (GroAire@aol.com)



Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 00:30:01 -0400 From: Dripigate@aol.com Subject: Re: Media vs. screen??? In a message dated 96-10-22 09:52:35 EDT, you write: >g I have at my dispossal the latest from the Israeli Water Works Institute a "clogging potetial meter" I will be happy to share this technology with you.
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 22:37:43 -0700 From: Manrique Brenes <mjbrenes@ucdavis.edu> Subject: Water Reuse Association of California I would appreciate it if someone could tell me how to contact the Water = Reuse Association of California. Specifically I would like to get a = copy of the Survey for Future Water Recycling Potential (final report, = July 1993). Thanks. Manrique Brenes Bio & Ag Eng UC Davis
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 17:11:34 +0930 From: Yan.Diczbalis@DPIF.nt.gov.au Subject: Drip lateral movement Dear Subscribers, We are planing an experiment to evaluate drip irrigation vs microsprinkler in mango. The trial will commence at planting. The question we pose is; Do emitters of a lower flow rate have a smaller wetted area?? The soil texture at the site is sandy loam progressing to a sandy clay loam. The answers to the question will determine whether we control irrigation inputs by time or emitter flow rate. look forward to your thoughts Yan Diczbalis and Chris Wicks Horticulture Division Northern Territory Dept of Primary Industry and Fisheries Australia
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 07:00:12 -0400 From: Scott Matyac <scott_matyac@water.ca.gov> Subject: Re: Water Reuse Association of California At 12:29 AM 10/23/96 -0500, you wrote: >I would appreciate it if someone could tell me how to contact the Water = >Reuse Association of California. Specifically I would like to get a = >copy of the Survey for Future Water Recycling Potential (final report, = >July 1993). >Thanks. > >Manrique Brenes >Bio & Ag Eng >UC Davis > > > > Here is the address and telephone number: WATEREUSE 915 L STREET, SUITE 1000 SACRAMENTO, CA 95814-3701 916) 442-2746 or visit their web site: http://www.watereuse.org/h2o/ Best regards, -Scott ------------------------------------------------------- J. Scott Matyac Division of Planning California Department of Water Resources scott_matyac@water.ca.gov (916) 654-6265 fax 653-6077
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 08:45:51 -0700 From: "Alan S. Wicks" <awicks@televar.com> Subject: Re: Effectiveness of Gypsum and Tensiometers in top 6 inches. Greetings, Re EC and affect on plant growth. A good reference for this is the American Society of Civil Engineers book titled "Agricultural Salinity Assessment and Management". That is Manual #71 copyright 1990 ISBN 0-87262-762-4. The main office is at 345 East 47th St., New York, NY 10017. I don't remember the price, but I have found it invaluable in understanding salinity and sodicity affects and effects in agriculture and how to assess and handle the problems. Since you are at UC Davis this volume should be in the library. The reference to the osmotic potential as a function of EC is discussed on the bottom of page 221. I also appreciate the clarification on tensiometers and osmotic potential. Sincerely yours, Alan S. Wicks
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 10:32:34 -0700 From: Rodney Ruskin <geoflow1@slip.net> Subject: Re: Drip lateral movement At 02:44 AM 10/23/96 -0500, Yan.Diczbalis@DPIF.nt.gov.au wrote: > Dear Subscribers, > > We are planing an experiment to evaluate drip irrigation vs > microsprinkler in mango. The trial will commence at planting. > The question we pose is; Do emitters of a lower flow rate have a > smaller wetted area?? The soil texture at the site is sandy loam > progressing to a sandy clay loam. The answers to the question will > determine whether we control irrigation inputs by time or emitter flow > rate. Reply: Maybe it all depends on definitions of your words. If you are experimenting with interest in the effect on disease of different technologies then I would suggest that you consider subsurface drip irrigation (SDI) rather than on the surface drip. Refer for example to work by Dr. Goldhamer (UC Davis) on Atanaria (late blight) in pistachios. With subsurface drip we must now consider wetted volume and wetted surface area of the wetted volume as well as wetted radius of the wetted vloume. If you pulse the irrigation cycles at no more than one hour per pulse from work by our leader Dr. Richard Mead and others at USDA/ARS, Fresno you can expect a 46% greater volume, 62% greater surface area and 10% less radius with SDI than pulsed surface drip. The idea is to allow the capiliary forces to carry the water away, and to minimize the forces of gravity. Hence a slower flow rate from the dripper is bound to be better, but if the pulse length was adjusted to apply the same amount of water per pulse I do not believe that the differences will be substantial except on sandy soils. This last statement is an opinion unsupported by data. Rodney Ruskin geoflow1@slip.net
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 20:02:16 GMT From: Richard Mead <rmead@asrr.arsusda.gov> Subject: An international meeting: Call for papers A new subscriber to Trickle-L (Jomaa Ben-Hassine) would like to announce a call for papers for an international meeting in Tunisia next year. Jomaa was having some trouble with email addresses and posting to the group, so I thought I'd post his announcement for him while his subscribing process is being repaired. Incidentally, I think Jomaa is the first participant on Trickle-L from North Africa. Welcome ! R. Mead Trickle-L owner/manager ------------------------------------------------------------------ Call for Papers THE TUNISIAN WATER FORUM Water resources development, protection, management, economy, conservation, forecasting and technology Organized by Tunisian Institute for Strategic Studies (ITES) and Tunisian Scientific Consortium (TSC) July 16-18, 1997 Tunis, Tunisia URL: <http://www.menet.umn.edu/~TSC/TWF> Water is a resource that is key to the survival of mankind, nations and all living organisms. Many factors are negatively impacting the availability of this vital resource in clean, life-sustaining forms. Water is particularly important to North African and Middle Eastern countries where the environment is arid or semi-arid, the climate is dry and the available water resources are scarce, over-taxed and quite-often severely damaged by pollution. Particularly for these countries, water is a strategic resource that must be developed, protected and well-managed. The Tunisian Water Forum (TWF) is an opportunity to present latest technology and research in various aspects of water resources development, protection and management. It is a forum for debating policy matters relative to such pressing issues as water conservation and environmental protection. It is also an opportunity to present the latest technological developments in such fields as energy-efficient desalination processes, artificial precipitation, groundwater pollution remediation, integrated environmental management systems, used water recycling, geographic information systems applications and effective use of modern networking technology in water-related fields. Finally, the forum will address the issues of water costing, pricing and value-adding. Organizers The Tunisian Institute for Strategic Studies (ITES) is a public institution acting under the oversight of the office of the President of Tunisia. Its mission is to carry out research, studies, analysis and forecasting regarding short and longer-term horizons for all issues related to various national and international phenomena that are liable to affect the process of development of Tunisia in all fields- political, economic, social and cultural. The Tunisian Scientific Consortium (TSC) is a non-government, not-for-profit scientific organization of Tunisian scientists around the world. It was established in May 1995 and now counts more than 200 members that are active researchers or professionals in Europe, North America, Tunisia and Asia. Potential Sponsors and Co-organizers Ministry of Economic Development, Ministry of Agriculture (SONEDE, DRE), Ministry of Environment (ANPE, ONTEAT), Ministry of Social Affairs (OTE), Institut Mediterrann=E9 de l=92Eau (France), United Nations Development Programme (UNDP) and other national, regional and international development institutions and firms with research and development activities. Topics/Issues Groundwater resources: artificial recharge of groundwater, groundwater quality control and seawater intrusion, water level control and measurement; Surface water resources: river basin management, reservoir development, silt control, watersheds, cloud seeding and artificial precipitation. Of particular interest are case studies and experiences in countries and regions with characteristics similar to Tunisias; Other water resources: used water treatment and uses, desalination processes and energy-efficient desalination technology. Water Economics: pricing/costing, value added, public education, demand management, transfer loss, water markets; Irrigation: efficient irrigation technology in arid and semi-arid environments, irrigation network technology and efficiency, irrigated crops management, yield per cubic meter; Environmental issues: risk assessment in water pollution clean up, preventing groundwater pollution from septic systems and other common sources, ecological impacts, remediation of polluted groundwater; Computer Tools: water modeling (econometric, integrated,..), Water Information Systems, decision support systems, Geographic Information Systems, integrated Environmental Management Systems (EMS). Program -Lectures by invited international and national experts and technical presentations by active researchers; -Parallel round table and panel discussions on critical issues; -Exhibition of water and environment-related products & services by international and local firms; -Exhibition of innovative national and international programs and projects. Sample national programs include those by SONEDE, DRE and DGR for the Ministry of Agriculture and ANPE and ONTEAT from the Ministry of the Environment. -Site visit to a water-related facility such as a dam under construction or a wastewater treatment facility. Participants & Target Audience The TWF is open to all international and national experts working in fields related to water with an interest in the issues and topics mentioned above. A strong presence from Tunisian policy makers, municipal leaders and professionals is expected. International experts and high level policy makers from North African and Middle Eastern countries will be invited to attend. The exhibition, which will be organized during this event, will be a golden opportunity for international and national firms to present their water and environment-related products and services. To Submit Papers or for More Information: International experts, water specialists, researchers and graduate students are invited to submit abstracts for papers dealing with any of the topics described above. Papers can be in English, French or Arabic. Abstracts shall be in French and English. Abstracts (300-400 words) along with biographies of the authors shall be received by January 15, 1997. Final versions of the papers shall be received in duplicates by April 15, 1997. To send abstracts and papers and for further information, please write to: ITES 85 Avenue de la Libert Tunis 1002, Tunisia Fax: +216 (1) 802 377 E-mail: ites@ites.rnrt.tn or TSC-Tunisian Water Forum P. O. Box 13238 Minneapolis, MN 55414, USA Fax: +1 (612) 624-5230 (Att. Salim Khemakhem) E-mail: TSC-1@me.umn.edu
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 22:27:17 GMT From: Jean Piaget <henri@ilink.nis.za> Subject: Re: Media vs. screen??? At 08:39 AM 10/22/96 -0500, you wrote: >The comment was made a while back, as >In a message dated 96-10-15 14:14:11 EDT: > ><< In my experience one should never depend on only one filter, of whatever >kind, > to remove all that gunk. Whatever has happened to the concept of >pre-filtering > by various means before a final fine filtation ? >> > >And there is exactly why I like sand media filters ... besides being >sacrificial (always cleans itself by letting go) when particularly sticky >contaminants come along ... all sand media filters have a dual filtration >system ... the media ... and the screens that keep the media in place and act >as secondary filters. Stacking different grades of sand give you a >progressive filtration system if needed. Of course, heavy sand brought up by >pumps must be settled or spun of first, else the sand media filters get >jammed with it. > >That's my personal preferance anyway... sand media filters. > >Cheers, >Craig Thompson > >Hi Craig, I made that remark because the surface of sand filters can become so covered with gunk that backwashing becomes less and less efective and interval shorter and shorter. Not an ideal situation. But we must agree to disagree as we each have our own quality of irrigation water to deal with. However,if you stack the filter with different grades of sand- how do you keep the layers seperated after backwashing has stirred everything about? Someone also mentioned that the sand has to be changed every year as it becomes rounded. I have looked at many sands after a year and have never seen that happening.Have you? If sand should wear out that fast we would not have many sandy beaches left! Jean
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 20:41:05 GMT From: Richard Mead <rmead@cybergate.com> Subject: Re: Drip lateral movement Rodney and others interested. Thanks for the plug Rodney, but Claude Phene and Jiftah Ben-Asher should get the credit for doing research on wetted areas/volumes of both SI and SDI. There is a diagram on the Microirrigation Forum web site which explains this basic concept. Check out http://www.cybergate.com/~rmead/sdivdi.html >From that diagram I combined the information that Phene/Ben-Asher had along with a paper called "Potential of Subsurface Drip Irrigation for Management of Nitrate in Wastewater" authored by C.J. Phene and R. Ruskin. This can be found on p 155-167 of the Proceedings of Microirrigation for a Changing World, 5th International Microirrigation Congress, an ASAE publication. Also, regarding: >If you pulse the irrigation cycles at no more than one hour per pulse...< I think this applies to small fields on loam type soils. I don't think it would apply with large fields with heavy clay soil. The attempt at high frequency might be diluted by lower distribution uniformities on long runs (>250 meters). One mm applications like Claude recommends, 'might' be too frequent to sustain a good D.U. However, the idea of small doses per time to match daily ET is the way to go. Drip experts such as Tim Hertz (sp?) think high frequency is bogus. We need to address this issue openly one of these days! Richard Mead Trickle-L owner/manager
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 21:11:57 +0000 From: Jomaa Ben-Hassine <jbh@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: An international meeting: Call for papers At 08:05 PM 10/23/96 +0000, you wrote: >A new subscriber to Trickle-L (Jomaa Ben-Hassine) would like to announce a >call for papers >for an international meeting in Tunisia next year. >Jomaa was having some trouble with email addresses and posting to the group, >so I thought >I'd post his announcement for him while his subscribing process is being >repaired. > >Incidentally, I think Jomaa is the first participant on Trickle-L from North >Africa. >Welcome ! > >R. Mead >Trickle-L owner/manager Thank you Dr. Mead for reposting the CFP and for the welcome. I wanted to be on this list primarily for self-education. I am also on a few other lists related to water and the environment. My formal background is in Geotechnical/Structural Engineering (FEM applications) but I have interests in environmental issues and GIS applications (and computer applications in general). I hope there will be many contributions to the Tunisian Water Forum, particularly in the area of irrigation in arid and semi-arid climates (something Tunisia and California share by both having Mediterranean climate). I look forward to being on Tricle-L and I hope this message makes it. Sincerely, Jomaa Ben-Hassine.
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 16:02:26 -0700 From: "Alan S. Wicks" <awicks@televar.com> Subject: Re: Drip lateral movement >Drip experts such as Tim Hertz (sp?) think high frequency is bogus. >We need to address this issue openly one of these days! Maybe you are referring to Tim Hartz? the veg extension specialist at UC Davis. I agree, the concept of high frequency pulse irrigation is an interesting topic and I would like to hear more about it. Especially since I have problems, even with high flow buried tape, moving the water laterally 45 cm in eight hours (measured at 15cm depth with a tensiometer). Also, how does this practice affect the 'spoon-feeding' of vegetable crops where one is applying nitrogen daily? Sincerely yours, Alan S. Wicks
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 19:27:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "John A. Cline" <ac620@freenet.hamilton.on.ca> Subject: Trickle Irrigation of Apples I am planning on establishing a multi-site trickle irrigation trial for apples in Southern Ontario in 1997, and amongst other things, would like to investigate irrigation scheduling (3/4 potential ET, TDR- applied daily, TDR- applied weekly) emitter type (drip vs sprinkler), and fertigation. Since these sites will be established on grower orchards, I will need to have the irrigation scheduling automated. Is anyone on this list aware of products that are currently commercially available and that are flexible enough to modifiy for research purposes? For example, I am considering purchasing a Campbell Scientific logger and weather sensors, TDR sensors, and programming the system from 'scratch'. This approach could be rather time consuming and would likely require 'debugging' that could compromise the quality of the experiment. A pupose-built product may be more desirable if available. One further question - Is it feasible and relatively easy to install an automated irrigation scheduling system when the main water line is not always pressurized (ie, using pond water etc)? Any comments or suggestions would be most appreciated. ... John Cline, Research Scientist TEL: 519-426-7120 ... Horticultural Research Institute of Ontario FAX: 519-426-1225 ... ... Ontario Ministry of Agriculture and Food EMAIL: ClineJ@gov.on.ca ... ... P.O. Box 587 (Blueline and Hwy#3) ... ... Simcoe, Ontario N3Y 4N5 Canada ...
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 10:03:33 +1000 From: Hortech Services Pty Ltd <hortech@www.ats.com.au> Subject: Re: Effectiveness of Gypsum and Tensiometers in top 6 inches. At 11:07 AM 23/10/96 -0500, you wrote: >Greetings, >Re EC and affect on plant growth. A good reference for this is the >American Society of Civil Engineers book titled "Agricultural Salinity >Assessment and Management". That is Manual #71 copyright 1990 ISBN >0-87262-762-4. The main office is at 345 East 47th St., New York, NY >10017. I don't remember the price, but I have found it invaluable in >understanding salinity and sodicity affects and effects in agriculture >and how to assess and handle the problems. > >Since you are at UC Davis this volume should be in the library. > >The reference to the osmotic potential as a function of EC is discussed >on the bottom of page 221. > >I also appreciate the clarification on tensiometers and osmotic >potential. > >Sincerely yours, >Alan S. Wicks > > > I thank all those which responded to my questions. The discussion has been most informative. Many Thanks Peter Broomhall Peter Broomhall Horticulural Consultant Hortech Services Pty Ltd a.c.n. 060 406 957 P.O. Box 370 Kallangur QLD 4503 Australia P: +61 418 708 573 F: +61 7 3886 0389 hortech@ats.com.au
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 17:11:49 -0700 From: ges@owt.com (Marty Grogan) Subject: Re: Drip lateral movement > Dear Subscribers, > > We are planing an experiment to evaluate drip irrigation vs > microsprinkler in mango. The trial will commence at planting. > The question we pose is; Do emitters of a lower flow rate have a > smaller wetted area?? The soil texture at the site is sandy loam > progressing to a sandy clay loam. The answers to the question will > determine whether we control irrigation inputs by time or emitter flow > rate. > > look forward to your thoughts > > > Yan Diczbalis and Chris Wicks > Horticulture Division > Northern Territory Dept of Primary Industry and Fisheries > Australia > > Why not control by measuring soil moisture?
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 21:24:28 -0400 From: GroAire@aol.com Subject: Re: Air injection In the previous experiment the jacobs ladder was run 24 hours a day with constant air injection. In a controlled experiment, two alternative experimental groups would be suggested. 1. 2 hours of operation per day - 7 days per week 2. 2 hours of operation per day - 2 days per week This would give an indicator as to the proper levels of gas injection from the jacobs ladder based on Ph of soils and water. I wish I could remember the exact chemical reaction that had the nitric acid as the final product. The experiment was performed closer to ten years ago and the other participant who would remember those details passed away about 18 months ago. It might be possible for me to contact Nyle C. Brady as he summers in Manassa, Colorado. Mr. Brady is one of the world's top Agronomists and writes several of the textbooks used in colleges across the nation. He has been observing one of my installations near his summer home with great intrest. He might have relocated to his winter home which I'm not sure of the location. Surely, there would be some agronomists who might be able to provide some basis of chemical reactionsd in the soil. Once we had the basis for investigation, then we could apply for grant money through a number of resources in your locale to perform the experiment. Dave Enyeart
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Re: Water Reuse Association of California ("M. Meron" <MERON@migal.co.il>)
Re: Water Reuse Association of California ("M. Meron" <MERON@migal.co.il>)
Re: Trickle Irrigation of Apples ("M. Meron" <MERON@migal.co.il>)
Re: Trickle Irrigation of Apples ("W. Bryan Smith" <wsmth@clemson.edu>)
Re: Trickle Irrigation of Apples/Helpful Products for your (Clem Wehner <cww@pacificcoast.net>)
CO2 injection (LRP@ICON.LAL.UFL.EDU)
Re: John Cline/Apples/Helpful Products for your (Clem Wehner <cww@pacificcoast.net>)
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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 09:30:58 GMT+0200 From: "M. Meron" <MERON@migal.co.il> Subject: Re: Water Reuse Association of California Me too. ========================================================================= MIGAL Galilee Technology Center Crop Ecology Laboratory Kiryat Shmona PO Box 90 000 Rosh Pina 12 100 ISRAEL Phone +972-6-953559 Fax: +972-6-944980 Email: MERON@migal.co.il =========================================================================
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 09:31:41 GMT+0200 From: "M. Meron" <MERON@migal.co.il> Subject: Re: Water Reuse Association of California > I would appreciate it if someone could tell me how to contact the Water = > Reuse Association of California. Specifically I would like to get a = > copy of the Survey for Future Water Recycling Potential (final report, = > July 1993). > Thanks. > > Manrique Brenes > Bio & Ag Eng > UC Davis > > > Me too M. Meron ========================================================================= MIGAL Galilee Technology Center Crop Ecology Laboratory Kiryat Shmona PO Box 90 000 Rosh Pina 12 100 ISRAEL Phone +972-6-953559 Fax: +972-6-944980 Email: MERON@migal.co.il =========================================================================
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 10:25:55 GMT+0200 From: "M. Meron" <MERON@migal.co.il> Subject: Re: Trickle Irrigation of Apples We are running here a similar setup in an Apple orchard for four years now. It is a combination of soil water data acquisition and processing with a Campbel 21X and irrigation control with a MOTOROLA MIR 5000 controller (now superseded with IRRINET). Initial results were published in the proceedings of the 5th Microirrigation Congress. For additional details you can contact me directly. M. Meron ========================================================================= MIGAL Galilee Technology Center Crop Ecology Laboratory Kiryat Shmona PO Box 90 000 Rosh Pina 12 100 ISRAEL Phone +972-6-953559 Fax: +972-6-944980 Email: MERON@migal.co.il =========================================================================
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 09:10:42 -0500 From: "W. Bryan Smith" <wsmth@clemson.edu> Subject: Re: Trickle Irrigation of Apples John, It is feasible and relatively simple to install automated drip irrigation on pond and well systems where the line is not constantly pressurized (the company I worked for previously has been doing it for over 15 or 20 years now). That company - and I'm sure many others - have any number of multi-pump stations installed on ponds to provide varying flows for different water demands. Something you might look at - Programmable Language Controllers (PLCs) for your control. A friend sets these up - his comment is, "If you can think it up and get the right sensors you can probably do it with a PLC." His company was previously using Motorola computers before trying PLCs. They are using all PLCs now. The PLC comes "dumb" - you provide all programming for its operation. Not as hard as it sounds, especially since you can use a laptop to save/modify/re-install the program if needed (and it reportedly can even be done using phone lines or radio - no need to visit the field). Bryan > Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 18:21:41 -0500 > Reply-to: <trickle-l@unl.edu> > From: "John A. Cline" <ac620@freenet.hamilton.on.ca> > To: Multiple recipients of list <trickle-l@unl.edu> > Subject: Trickle Irrigation of Apples > I am planning on establishing a multi-site trickle irrigation trial for > apples in Southern Ontario in 1997, and amongst other things, would like > to investigate irrigation scheduling (3/4 potential ET, TDR- applied > daily, TDR- applied weekly) emitter type (drip vs sprinkler), and > fertigation. Since these sites will be established on grower orchards, I > will need to have the irrigation scheduling automated. Is anyone on this > list aware of products that are currently commercially available and that > are flexible enough to modifiy for research purposes? For example, I am > considering purchasing a Campbell Scientific logger and weather sensors, > TDR sensors, and programming the system from 'scratch'. This approach > could be rather time consuming and would likely require 'debugging' that > could compromise the quality of the experiment. A pupose-built product may > be more desirable if available. > > One further question - Is it feasible and relatively easy to install an > automated irrigation scheduling system when the main water line is not > always pressurized (ie, using pond water etc)? > > Any comments or suggestions would be most appreciated. > > ... John Cline, Research Scientist TEL: 519-426-7120 > ... Horticultural Research Institute of Ontario FAX: 519-426-1225 ... > ... Ontario Ministry of Agriculture and Food EMAIL: ClineJ@gov.on.ca ... > ... P.O. Box 587 (Blueline and Hwy#3) ... > ... Simcoe, Ontario N3Y 4N5 Canada ... > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- W. Bryan Smith Area Extension Agent - Irrigation / Water Quality Clemson Extension Service P.O. Box 160 Newberry, South Carolina 29108 USA Office: 803 276-1091 FAX: 803 276-1095 Internet: wsmth@clemson.edu -------------------------------------------------- All opinions are my own and not reflective of the policies of Clemson University or the Cooperative Extension Service.
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 08:12:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Clem Wehner <cww@pacificcoast.net> Subject: Re: Trickle Irrigation of Apples/Helpful Products for your Dear John Cline: I'm forwarding, your request to two interested and helpful parties, who have products and knowledge that are currently commercially available and that are flexible enough for research purposes. They could be beneficial to your multi-site irrigation trial. 1) Gabel Corporation, Victoria, B.C. has a TDR soil moisture measuring instrument (called Moisture Point) as well as weather sensors and automated weather stations. (I believe the University of Guelph in your province of Ontario has one or more Moisture Point units). Suggest you email or call: Mike Sly, Gabel Corporation, Victoria, B.C.: 250-479-6588 tel.; or fax: 250-479-1412; email <gabel@amtsgi.bc.ca>. 2) Wing'd Pump & Associates, Victoria, B.C. have successfully completed tests and trials and are now commercialising their F3P (full name: Flutter Float Force Pump). This is a wind powered device that sits in a pond or reservoir and uses wind power (as low as 3 knots) to move water for irrigation puposes. Just yesterday I received by email a description of the F3P which I will include in this message to you. Suggest you call: Simon Farthing, Ph.D. in Victoria, B.C.: 250-656-3478 or send him an email at <ut038@freenet.victoria.bc.ca>. Besides the F3P, which he developed, he might be able to help you with the fluid dynamics of your irrigation system. If you have difficulty reaching the persons or companies I mentioned, please get in touch with me in Victoria, B.C.: Phone and Fax, 250-383-1959 or email <cww@pacificcoast.net>. Yours truly, Clem Wehner C. Wehner & Associates Marketing Consultants International Victoria, B.C., Canada V8W 3P9 ------------------------------ 0 ------------------------------- Here's the description of the F3P. Somewhat technical and lengthy but comprehensive. You can get performance figures (pumping capacity) and costs from Dr. Farthing. Your initial, John Cline, email enquiry to the trickle listserv follows the F3P description. ------------------------------ 0 ------------------------------------- Introducing the FLOATING Flutter Force PUMP F3P A Totally NEW Concept in Surface Water Pumping by Windpower ..Unprecedented SILENT Pumping POWER as low as 3 knots ..INHERENT High Wind PROTECTION - feathers into blast ..SUBMERGED Cylinders always PRIMED with submerged intake ..BUILT-IN AIR BAG smoothes flow for easy overland piping ..EASY to Move to IRRIGATE all around lake with least pipes ..INSTALLS & Maintains without CLIMBS or POWER LIFTING ..can PUMP aerated surface water downwards to destratify. Visuals: Side & Stern Views Projected Performance (Diagrams and Captions) Technical Description: The F3P relates to transporting surface water whereas the W3P (the land-based version of the flutter concept) relates to lifting water from wells: both machines use the principle of to pump with windpower--effectively. Comparitive Notes: Conventional surface pumps and their motors are set up on shore and suck water from an intake submerged at a fixed depth or while mounted on a float. The combination of an air leak into the pump or intake line and a leak in the intake foot valve can quickly drain the inlet when the pump is off. Manual repriming is required for each run of the pump. In comparison, the F3P floats the entire windpump; so suction, and its attendant priming and cavitation problems, are totally avoided thereby providing reliable and automatic operation. Furthermore, with respect to turning in and into the wind -- which requires good mechanical bearings on land -- these actions, on water, are facilitated by freely floating motions. Moreover, on lakes and slow-moving rivers, a floating windpump is exposed to better winds and can be easily moved about to serve several irrigators and fields without extensive and costly on-shore piping. Similarly, as with the W3P (land-based wind-driven device), a wing turns about the top of a spar projecting upwards. But in the case of the waterborne machine the wing is on the stern-end of a standard steel cylindrical tank which forms the F3P's hull. The tank is ballasted by pouring a calculated weight of liquid-mix cement and aggregate fines through the tank inlet hole and allowing the concrete to set while the tank is slightly nose down and the spar straight up. The greater volume of cement in the bow compensates for the weight of the spar and wing at the stern; thus, the hull floats level, half immersed. Bolts, pre-welded so they project from the tank's ends underwater allow trimming the support vessel by means of external steel plates. This simple arrangement serves as the mechanism's basic oscillator: the round hull easily rolls in the water at anchor whilst the wing twists back and forth around the spar. Design criteria require that a) the pump must NOT impede the hull's return to upright or dampen an incipient oscillation, b) the pump MUST act as an endstop to limit the roll swing away from vertical, short of wing contact with the water; and c) the pump must supply water ASHORE at various heads. These design criteria led to a pump catamaran at the stern of the hull with bearings below the crossbeams on a steel pipe axle projecting from the bottom of the spar on the hull center. Rocker beams pivoting above each float are increasingly depressed by a roller in the middle of the spar as the hull rolls away from vertical. The angle of contact progresses from glancing to square on and the moment arm also decreases for a very strong increase in movement with angle of roll. In all, a very efficient, inexpensive water delivery system. At work, propelled by breezes or strong winds, the F3P's rocker beams push the pistons and the water below them down cylinders hung from the assembly's crossbeams then through elbows into a totally submerged crosspipe. The pipe's endcaps have non-return flap valves inside over their entry holes. An internal airbag smoothes individual pumping strokes from alternate ends. This makes water output continuous through an underside port. Air from the internal bag can flow through a hose into one of the pontoon tanks the latter serving as an air reservoir. The cylinder bottoms have inlet flap valves that open to the surrounding water. Incoming, replacement water pushes each piston upward as its rocker beam is re-elevated by a counterweight over the pontoon on the other side of a hinge. From the port the smoothed output travels in a pipe underneath the rolling hull to a elbow in the anchor line. The bowline angles down from the center of the bow face to an eye on the top of the elbow where a buoy is also attached. The elbow is followed immediately by a vertical pipe union that is locked by setscrews to form a swivel, and then by another elbow into a submerged polyetheylene pipeline directed horizontally to shore. The lower elbow may be the top of a solid anchor block in shallow ponds or chained to multiple anchors when in very deep waters. The tailvanes which keep the hull aligned with the wind direction are mounted on the pontoons so as not to dampen the roll of the hull or require it to counterbalance them plus the wing. Standard plywood sheets, their lengthwise edges water- sealed, can be hung just above the water to gain aspect ratio yet act unimpeded, clear of the wing's path. The front crossbeam has hooks on either side which latch the spar roller root if it contacts them in an excessive swing due to pump failure. This holds the wing safely immobile and signals to the irrigator to come and repair the pump. Just as in the W3P (land-based) this locked position is also used when mounting the wing onto the spar. In practice, a single, unilateral pump failure event will usually cause corresponding, telegraphed assymetric rolling in most winds yet with some water output retained. All the bearings below the wing are UHMW journals on chromed pipes (roller and rocker pivots) or stainless sleeves (catamaran-hull axle underwater). The double flanged UHMW roller runs on an aluminum strip on the top of the rocker beams. The hull and wing can be locked upright to the raft by a pin to stop oscillation during maintenance. However, in storm winds this secured, parked position is not as safe as an unsecured, mobile wing position. An untethered wing allows it to deflect sideways in the brunt of strong instantaneous lifts from gusts rather than concentrate the forces to the base. For more information call: Simon Farthing Wing'd Pump Associates 975 Tuam Rd RR#1 Sidney B.C. V8L 5P2 CANADA (604) 656-3478 email: ut038@freenet.victoria.bc.ca ------------------------------- 0 ---------------------------------- At 06:22 PM 10/23/96 -0500, John Cline wrote: >I am planning on establishing a multi-site trickle irrigation trial for >apples in Southern Ontario in 1997, and amongst other things, would like >to investigate irrigation scheduling (3/4 potential ET, TDR- applied >daily, TDR- applied weekly) emitter type (drip vs sprinkler), and >fertigation. Since these sites will be established on grower orchards, I >will need to have the irrigation scheduling automated. Is anyone on this >list aware of products that are currently commercially available and that >are flexible enough to modifiy for research purposes? For example, I am >considering purchasing a Campbell Scientific logger and weather sensors, >TDR sensors, and programming the system from 'scratch'. This approach >could be rather time consuming and would likely require 'debugging' that >could compromise the quality of the experiment. A pupose-built product may >be more desirable if available. > >One further question - Is it feasible and relatively easy to install an >automated irrigation scheduling system when the main water line is not >always pressurized (ie, using pond water etc)? > >Any comments or suggestions would be most appreciated. > >... John Cline, Research Scientist TEL: 519-426-7120 >... Horticultural Research Institute of Ontario FAX: 519-426-1225 ... >... Ontario Ministry of Agriculture and Food EMAIL: ClineJ@gov.on.ca ... >... P.O. Box 587 (Blueline and Hwy#3) ... >... Simcoe, Ontario N3Y 4N5 Canada ... > > > > >
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 12:20:09 -0500 (EST) From: LRP@ICON.LAL.UFL.EDU Subject: CO2 injection From: LAL::LRP 16-OCT-1996 12:42:39.94 To: IN%"trickle-l@unl.edu" CC: LRP Subj: RE: CO2 Injection (Carbogation? Please...) Work from the 1940's showed that a high concentration of CO2 reduced the permeability to water of roots (i.e. increased the resistance to water movement through the roots). I'm not familiar with more recent work on CO2 injection in the root zone, but I wonder how beneficial CO2 would be to the roots. More CO2 to the leaves will improve photosynthesis. Does CO2 injection to the roots really benefit overall plant growth in the field? Larry Parsons
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 09:30:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Clem Wehner <cww@pacificcoast.net> Subject: Re: John Cline/Apples/Helpful Products for your Dear John Cline: Please note that the email address for Gable Corporation, Victoria, B.C., one of the two companies I told you about this morning, has been changed. The new address is <gabel@islandnet.com> Regards, Clem Wehner
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 08:53:48 -0700 From: polson@orednet.org (Phil Olson) Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe --
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:20:36 +1300 From: sjef@nelson.planet.org.nz Subject: Re: CO2 injection CO2 can become carbonic acid in the soil. Any incraese in acid in the soil solution has to be neutralized by "plucking" cations of the colloidal clay and humus complex. The higher the acid loading of the soil solution the higher valation elements will come into the soil solution. The biggest danger is that aluminium comes into the soil solution. So at first potassium, calcium and magnesium will be made soluble which could increase plant growth. BUT at a later stage aluminium will come into the solution, which is a toxic element. Regards Sjef Lamers sjef@nelson.planet.org.nz >From: LAL::LRP 16-OCT-1996 12:42:39.94 >To: IN%"trickle-l@unl.edu" >CC: LRP >Subj: RE: CO2 Injection (Carbogation? Please...) > > Work from the 1940's showed that a high concentration of CO2 reduced >the permeability to water of roots (i.e. increased the resistance to water >movement through the roots). I'm not familiar with more recent work on >CO2 injection in the root zone, but I wonder how beneficial CO2 would be to >the roots. More CO2 to the leaves will improve photosynthesis. Does CO2 >injection to the roots really benefit overall plant growth in the field? > Larry Parsons > >
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 15:46:44 -0500 From: "J.D. Oster" <oster@mail.ucr.edu> Subject: Re: CO2 injection In the calcareous soils of the Western U.S., increasing the CO2 in the soil air and water dissolve calcite and lower the soil pH. The level of CO2 that can be maintained in the soil depends on soil water content -- Buyanovsky and Wagner. Annual cycles of carbon dioxide level in soil air. Soil Sci. Soc. Am. J. 47:1139-1145. 1983.theAt 02:12 PM 10/24/96 -0500, you wrote: >CO2 can become carbonic acid in the soil. Any incraese in acid in the soil >solution has to be neutralized by "plucking" cations of the colloidal clay >and humus complex. The higher the acid loading of the soil solution the >higher valation elements will come into the soil solution. The biggest >danger is that aluminium comes into the soil solution. > >So at first potassium, calcium and magnesium will be made soluble which >could increase plant growth. BUT at a later stage aluminium will come into >the solution, which is a toxic element. > >Regards > >Sjef Lamers >sjef@nelson.planet.org.nz > >>From: LAL::LRP 16-OCT-1996 12:42:39.94 >>To: IN%"trickle-l@unl.edu" >>CC: LRP >>Subj: RE: CO2 Injection (Carbogation? Please...) >> >> Work from the 1940's showed that a high concentration of CO2 reduced >>the permeability to water of roots (i.e. increased the resistance to water >>movement through the roots). I'm not familiar with more recent work on >>CO2 injection in the root zone, but I wonder how beneficial CO2 would be to >>the roots. More CO2 to the leaves will improve photosynthesis. Does CO2 >>injection to the roots really benefit overall plant growth in the field? >> Larry Parsons >> >> > > J.D.(Jim) Oster Dept. of Soil & Env. Sciences University of California Riverside, CA 92521 Phone (909)787-5100 FAX (909)787-5522
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 22:22:00 -0400 From: GroAire@aol.com Subject: Re: CO2 injection I do not believe that the current research literature would support increased levels of co-2 in the root zone would be beneficial. If anyone requires specific citings of literature, I'm sure I have all the appropriate data in my archives. The roots require oxygen for the uptake of nuterients and will cease the uptake if concentrations reach certain levels. This commonly occurs during the spring months when the microflora of the soil start expanding their populations. The by-product of aerobic bacteria is CO-2 and this limits root growth in the early developmwent stages of roots. Dave Enyeart GroAire@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 23:27:48 -0500
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Re: Trickle Irrigation of Apples (Gideon Oron <gidi@bgumail.bgu.ac.il>)
  (Robert May <RMAY@ibr2gw80.mp.usbr.gov>)
Re: under-irrigation (danyalk@ix.netcom.com (Danyal Kasapligil))
 (Richard Vermeulen <reverm@vs1.invsn.com>)
Re:  (Richard Vermeulen <reverm@vs1.invsn.com>)



Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:52:31 +0200 (IST) From: Gideon Oron <gidi@bgumail.bgu.ac.il> Subject: Re: Trickle Irrigation of Apples Dear Sir Look at the April 1995 ASAE proceedings from Oralando on our paper regarding pears. SIncerely Gideon Oron **************************************************************************** * Gideon Oron E-mail:Gidi@bgumail.bgu.ac.il * * Ben-Gurion University of the Negev * * The Institute for Desert Research Tel:+972-7-656-5070 * * Kiryat Sde-Boker, 84990 Israel Fax:+972-7-655-7042 * * and * * Dept of Industrial Engineering and Management Tel:+972-7-647-2200 * * Beer-Sheva, 84105 Israel Fax:+972-7-647-2958 * ****************************************************************************
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:05:03 -0800 From: Robert May <RMAY@ibr2gw80.mp.usbr.gov> Subject: unsubscribe rmay@ibr2fro100.mp.usbr.gov
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 09:07:08 -0700 From: danyalk@ix.netcom.com (Danyal Kasapligil) Subject: Re: under-irrigation You wrote: > >Contents: >Re: EnviroSCAN .. underirrigating? (LodiCraig@aol.com) > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 14:01:24 -0400 >From: LodiCraig@aol.com >Subject: Re: EnviroSCAN .. underirrigating? > >Dear Danyal Kasapligil: > >In a message dated 96-10-18 20:31:17 EDT, you write: > ><< In a vineyard drip and citrus micro-spray we tried putting probes next to >the water source and mid-way between sources (drippers, sprayers) and found >that there was > very limited lateral water movement. Contributing to this was the fact > that the growers were under-irrigating. >> > >Please elaborate on your use of the term under-irrigating. Do you mean >simply that the growers were simply irrigating at a replacement rate below > maximum ETc, or at levels so low you feel they were inducing economic loss? > >In your opinion, do you think the orchards or vineyards were economically >suffering due to the artificially restricted active root zone area induced by >the limited application of water? > >Sincerely, >Craig Thompson > >------------------------------ >End of Digest >************************ > GRAIG: Re: under-irrigation: 1. In the vineyard (owned by a winery much more interested in quality than quantity) the soil water content was maintained at a level that reduced the vine water uptake (reduced ETc). After the water uptake slowed down in mid june began to draw moisture from deeper (sensors to 5 ft). Reduced growth was desired here. 2. In the lemons with limited roting depth the moisture profile gradually declned during the summer as the irrigations did not keep up with the crop demand. Reduced growth was not desired here. 3. Strawberries: When soil water content fell below optimal (near "field capacity") by over an inch of water in the main 1.5 ft root zone, the plants were visibly suffering, and when the water content was brought back up, the plants perked back up. It was a real eye opener to see the effects of such under-irrigation in such a moisture sensitive crop. Most definate yield reduction.
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 09:27:45 -0700 From: Richard Vermeulen <reverm@vs1.invsn.com> Subject: unsubscribe reverm@vsl.invsn.com
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 15:29:36 -0700 From: Richard Vermeulen <reverm@vs1.invsn.com> Subject: Re: unsubscribe reverm@vsl.invsn.com > >
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Sun Oct 27 09:26 EST 1996
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 08:13:28 -0600
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Drip article (rmead@cybergate.com (Richard Mead))



Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 14:24:37 GMT From: rmead@cybergate.com (Richard Mead) Subject: Drip article For those of you who don't get "Landscape and Irrigation" by AIP, there is a nice (albeit generic) article on drip irrigation titled: 'The Truth About Drip Irrigation'. It is written by Tim Wilson who is the education director of The Irrigation Association. Please stop by and read the information at: http://www.aip.com/green/li/html/1096DRIP.HTML This URL will be up for just a few days. After November 1, it will probably be placed in the AIP archives. I'll have a link to that on "Related links" of the Microirrigation Forum* as soon as it's there. Richard Mead Trickle-L owner/manager *http://www.cybergate.com/~rmead
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Mon Oct 28 09:27 EST 1996
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 08:14:21 -0600
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 (Manrique Brenes <mjbrenes@ucdavis.edu>)



Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 19:14:48 -0800 From: Manrique Brenes <mjbrenes@ucdavis.edu> Subject: I have been looking for the quality standards for waste water reuse in = irrigation in California. The information that I have found does not = include subsurface drip irrigation for landscape as a category. However = almost 20% of the current reuse in the state is listed as landscape = irrigation. Can anyone point me in the right direction to see if California (or any = other state in the US) is developing (or has developed) such standard? Thanks.=20 Manrique Brenes Bio. & Ag. Eng. UC Davis
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Tue Oct 29 09:34 EST 1996
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 08:21:20 -0600
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RE:  (Goldberg <goldberg@eden.com>)
recycling poly tube (Orval Jewell <ojewell@thegrid.net>)
Re: Drip lateral movement ("Alan S. Wicks" <awicks@televar.com>)
RE:  ("M. Meron" <MERON@migal.co.il>)
Irrigation scheduling programmes -Reply ("Bruce Metelerkamp" <BRUCE@mailgate.icfrnet.unp.ac.za>)



Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 15:20:34 -0600 From: Goldberg <goldberg@eden.com> Subject: RE: ------ =_NextPart_000_01BBC50E.76640120 Check with Louis Herrin of the Texas Natural Resources Conservation = Commission in Austin. We are presently rewriting our entire wastewater = rule (including reuse), and copies of the current draft might be = available from him. Rick Goldberg ---------- From: Manrique Brenes[SMTP:mjbrenes@ucdavis.edu] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 1996 9:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list I have been looking for the quality standards for waste water reuse in = =3D irrigation in California. The information that I have found does not =3D include subsurface drip irrigation for landscape as a category. However = =3D almost 20% of the current reuse in the state is listed as landscape =3D irrigation. Can anyone point me in the right direction to see if California (or any = =3D other state in the US) is developing (or has developed) such standard? Thanks.=3D20 Manrique Brenes Bio. & Ag. Eng. UC Davis ------ =_NextPart_000_01BBC50E.76640120 eJ8+IicCAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAENgAQAAgAAAAIAAgABBJAG ABABAAABAAAADAAAAAMAADADAAAACwAPDgAAAAACAf8PAQAAAEEAAAAAAAAAgSsfpL6jEBmdbgDd AQ9UAgAAAAB0cmlja2xlLWxAdW5sLmVkdQBTTVRQAHRyaWNrbGUtbEB1bmwuZWR1AAAAAB4AAjAB AAAABQAAAFNNVFAAAAAAHgADMAEAAAASAAAAdHJpY2tsZS1sQHVubC5lZHUAAAADABUMAQAAAAMA /g8GAAAAHgABMAEAAAAUAAAAJ3RyaWNrbGUtbEB1bmwuZWR1JwACAQswAQAAABcAAABTTVRQOlRS SUNLTEUtTEBVTkwuRURVAAADAAA5AAAAAAsAQDoBAAAAAgH2DwEAAAAEAAAAAAAAA6QuAQiABwAY AAAASVBNLk1pY3Jvc29mdCBNYWlsLk5vdGUAMQgBBIABAAUAAABSRTogAPEAAQWAAwAOAAAAzAcK ABwADwAUACIAAQA/AQEggAMADgAAAMwHCgAcAA8AEQA6AAEAVAEBCYABACEAAAA0NUU2RDEzM0ND MzBEMDExQUY0RDQ0NDU1MzU0MDAwMADfBgEDkAYABAUAABIAAAALACMAAAAAAAMAJgAAAAAACwAp AAAAAAADADYAAAAAAEAAOQDAq3DbFcW7AR4AcAABAAAABQAAAFJFOiAAAAAAAgFxAAEAAAAWAAAA AbvFFdtfM9HmRjDMEdCvTURFU1QAAAAAHgAeDAEAAAAFAAAAU01UUAAAAAAeAB8MAQAAABIAAABn b2xkYmVyZ0BlZGVuLmNvbQAAAAMABhBrzt2WAwAHEMoCAAAeAAgQAQAAAGUAAABDSEVDS1dJVEhM T1VJU0hFUlJJTk9GVEhFVEVYQVNOQVRVUkFMUkVTT1VSQ0VTQ09OU0VSVkFUSU9OQ09NTUlTU0lP TklOQVVTVElOV0VBUkVQUkVTRU5UTFlSRVdSSVRJTkdPAAAAAAIBCRABAAAAmQMAAJUDAAAMBgAA TFpGdbMvgpD/AAoBDwIVAqgF6wKDAFAC8gkCAGNoCsBzZXQyNwYABsMCgzIDxQIAcHJCcRHic3Rl bQKDM7cC5AcTAoM0EswUxX0KgIsIzwnZOxefMjU1AoAHCoENsQtgbmcxMDMvFFALChRRC/JjAEAg QxJoBZBrIAPwdGgg5kwIYAQAIEgEkAUQA6AIb2YgHQBlIFRl5HhhB6FhdAhwB0AH8HsHkAhhYweR CFAAgASQds0e4GkCIB/hbW0EASCCGR3RQXUTwAuALiAgflceUArAHlATUAeQCfB0aGx5IBegdwUQ IdFnqx3wCHAgIuFpInF3HqCPE9AkkBPQBcBydWweUOooC4BjCkBkI6IXoCGwiGUpLCJQbmQgBaDu cAiQBCAeBWMIcBegAjAsIGQfEAGAICDwZ2j9BUBiIkEgUAMQAaAlYQNSNCBoB3AuCoUKhVJplRyx RwbwZCkgcmcKiyBsaTE4MALRaS14MTQ0DfAM0C2jC1kxrjYKoANgE9BjBUAtL8evCocuewwwL0ZG A2E6MM5fL0YMggXQAHAFEHEKUCAGQigRB5BbU01UUBA6bWpiNSNAdWOWZClQBAAuCYB1XTBvnzF9 BmACMDKvM7tTdSbQVGF5JqBPL5BvK/EgBDI3JqAxOTk2IMQ5OhrAIFBNNy8xffxUbzlvM7wlUCBw C1AeUP0XoGMFIAiQAjAnUy0AE8BzKowspjM2Lkcb1S9GST8qMClQHlApIAnwQqBvb/5rI6ICEAXA HjI00AdAHPD/IyATwCbBCxEEIEcyJJMkgXclAyZSIWI9CoUkUAUQZ7sgZB3RQ0fRRzEDAGEiAP5U HkELgEcxAMAgcx0AHuCvReYCEDtRKFBvB5FuL2BHSlglsx5Qc3ViUDBy/mYA0B5QKGAFIEraRzIa gbFIoGNhcCJBBCBhJvAVJPFnBbB5IgBIb3f+ZUYwBcBKZgdABGATwDww/DAlJ25J1x4ySDFJQR1h /0KyCYBSslIoSm8h8AqFS8DbA6AAcHkCICKBbwuAKKG/VpdLASjxJfBB0U00b0gg/wngIWAeEEvI JYAFsVrRWOcfL2AckAXAVyVWxFVTKf9Xcg2wRjAXMCcgI7FekhGAv2EXCYBg4FAwEXBIJz8qjOtM gABwazbAPQHQKow0ja0KhUIggCIAJhSwZyIAhkUaoCp2VUMgRDaSfyqMQ28uRxViRUkKhRbBAAFt sAAAAAMAEBAAAAAAAwAREAAAAABAAAcwoOpUfhXFuwFAAAgwoOpUfhXFuwEeAD0AAQAAAAUAAABS RTogAAAAAFlr ------ =_NextPart_000_01BBC50E.76640120--
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 08:57:03 -0800 From: Orval Jewell <ojewell@thegrid.net> Subject: recycling poly tube Hi All, I need to know if there are any recycling centers here in California that will take used SDI tubing, and if they do. How much clean-up needs to be performed before it would be accepted, and do they want it bailed or loose? I know this has been much discussed in the past, but has there been any forward movement? Any help or thoughts are greatly appreciated. Orval
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 09:09:42 -0800 From: "Alan S. Wicks" <awicks@televar.com> Subject: Re: Drip lateral movement Yan.Diczbalis@DPIF.nt.gov.au wrote: > > Dear Subscribers, > > We are planing an experiment to evaluate drip irrigation vs > microsprinkler in mango. The trial will commence at planting. > The question we pose is; Do emitters of a lower flow rate have a > smaller wetted area?? Greetings, There is a good discussion on this at http://hammock.ifas.ufl.edu/txt/fairs/22063 Hope that this helps. Sincerely yours, Alan S. Wicks
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Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 15:22:49 +200 From: "Bruce Metelerkamp" <BRUCE@mailgate.icfrnet.unp.ac.za> Subject: Irrigation scheduling programmes -Reply sowacs (and irrigation-l and trickle-l) Hamish Lowe asked about irrigation scheduling for a forestry application on IRRIGATION-L (see post below). I can only refer to the lists of companies who supply irrigation scheduling services on the various irrigation Web pages. (Start at the Virtual Library : http://fserv.wiz.uni-kassel.de/kww/projekte/irrig/irrig_i.html As far as I know there have been very few irrigated forestry trials worldwide - please reply if you know of others. The Australian work is really aimed at getting rid of effluent (which is similar to the area you are in, Hamish?) who when at the New Zealand Massey Uni also worked on this. See also http://www.ozemail.com.au/~hewlett/ where Brian White's Hardwood Investments Pty Ltd page describes some of the waste water options. (ie irrigating eucalypts with the water!) There was some work done in California by the Simpson Timber company, I believe. See earlier editions of their newsletter "The California Eucalypt Grower". From reading this newsletter, there does seem to be a fair amount of irrigation of eucalypts going on... perhaps someone knows more? Recent work done in Turkey at the Eastern Mediterranean Forestry Research Institute by Gurses and Ozkurt. and then there is the South African trial on eucalypts at Mkuze, Zululand done by Mondi. Contact Mike Howard <mikeh@icfr.unp.ac.za> Luis Gurovic in Chile is also working on irrigating eucalypts. <lgurovic@sas.puc.cl> I know of no scheduling software for forestry per se, but surely orchard tree programs exist, and wouldn't be far different? The irrigation requirements of eucalypts will be near potential evaporation rates for maximal growth, but they can survive on far less. I would be interested to hear more on the where, how and why you are considering irrigated forestry. It can only be profitable in very few circumstances. In situations where water is abundant and irrigation is being used as a means of disposing of it (and the nasties it may contain), cogniscance should be taken of the possibility of reducing the tree's potential to use water by oversupply. (I presume this is why you want the scheduling program.) All the talk of air-injection systems notwithstanding! :> Regards -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Bruce Metelerkamp SOIL WATER RESEARCH OFFICER Institute for Commercial Forestry Research, University of Natal, PO Box 100281 Scottsville, ZA3209 Rep. of South Africa Voice:27 331 62314 E-mail: bruce@icfr.unp.ac.za FAX:27 331 68905 brooz@pobox.com Bruce.Metelerkamp@pobox.com URL http://www.icfrnet.unp.ac.za/~metele ../SoWaCS.html ../RR.html Host of SoWaCS (Soil Water Content Sensor) Discussion List. SEND info sowacs OR subscribe sowacs TO majordomo@aqua.ccwr.ac.za >> From: Pattle Delamore Partners Ltd (IRRIGATION-L) To: IRRIGATION-L@LISTSERV.GMD.DE Date: Tuesday, October 29, 1996 9:59 am Subject: Irrigation scheduling programmes To fellow readers I am in the search for equipment and software that I can use for forestry irrigation scheduling. Ideally I would like to know of compatable equipment that can be used to measure soil moisture and combine this information with real time weather data to schedule irrigation requirements. We can possibly get our hands on the met station and soil moisture equipment, but are in need of computer software to combine the data and develop an irrigation schedule. Can anyone help or refer me onto people in the know. Cheers Hamish Lowe
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Wed Oct 30 10:01 EST 1996
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 08:48:56 -0600
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organic fertilizers through drip (ARON QUIST <stanworth@MAIL.TELIS.ORG>)
Re: Soil cracking & Sensor contact. SOWACS (Jean Piaget <henri@ilink.nis.za>)
unsubscribe (kls@eng.ks.nrcs.usda.gov (Kevin L. Shamburg))
Re: Irrigation scheduling programmes -Reply (ROBERT and FILOMENA PLUS ONE <EXPLORER1@worldnet.att.net>)
re: forestry irrigation scheduling ("KEVIN B. BRONSON" <103644.2426@CompuServe.COM>)
RE: RECYCLING POLY TUBE ("KEVIN B. BRONSON" <103644.2426@CompuServe.COM>)



Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 09:38:44 -0800 (PST) From: ARON QUIST <stanworth@MAIL.TELIS.ORG> Subject: organic fertilizers through drip > I have been asked by a client who is growing fruit trees in Hawaii about what organic fertilizers are available for application through drip irrigation systems. > >Does anyone know of any? No ideas for experimentation or research please. We want to use products that have been applied with success. > >Aron Quist, CPSS >Stanworth Crop Consultants >stanworth@mail.telis.org > >
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 21:23:55 GMT From: Jean Piaget <henri@ilink.nis.za> Subject: Re: Soil cracking & Sensor contact. SOWACS At 09:29 AM 10/28/96 +200, you wrote: > >Would a pocket of diatomaceous earth (or a non-swelling clay & >sand concoction) do the job? > >Perhaps the users of tensiometers could help us here. (They use a >slurry to promote cup:soil contact.) > >Regards Bruce Metelerkamp All soil sensors, of whatever kind, must be for obvious reasons (?) in close proximity to roots . Roots on the other hand generally hate growing from one medium into another, especially from fine to coarse. You would thus first have to show that roots would easily penetrate the artificial pocket. That is apart from now having two mediums with considerably different moisture characteristics and with definite boundaries. By the way, many a tensiometer station has ben ruined by over zealous slurying thereby putting the point in a waterproof envelope.In any case the slurry should be made with the same material as that present at the measuring depth. How about keeping the soil moist enough to stop it from cracking? Jean/
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 96 13:35:41 CST From: kls@eng.ks.nrcs.usda.gov (Kevin L. Shamburg) Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 13:01:31 -0800 From: ROBERT and FILOMENA PLUS ONE <EXPLORER1@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Irrigation scheduling programmes -Reply Bruce Metelerkamp wrote: > > sowacs (and irrigation-l and trickle-l) > > Hamish Lowe asked about irrigation scheduling for a forestry > application on IRRIGATION-L (see post below). > > I can only refer to the lists of companies who supply irrigation > scheduling services on the various irrigation Web pages. (Start > at the Virtual Library : > http://fserv.wiz.uni-kassel.de/kww/projekte/irrig/irrig_i.html > > As far as I know there have been very few irrigated forestry > trials worldwide - please reply if you know of others. > > The Australian work is really aimed at getting rid of effluent > (which is similar to the area you are in, Hamish?) who when at > the New Zealand Massey Uni also worked on this. > See also http://www.ozemail.com.au/~hewlett/ where Brian White's > Hardwood Investments Pty Ltd page describes some of the waste > water options. (ie irrigating eucalypts with the water!) > > There was some work done in California by the Simpson Timber > company, I believe. See earlier editions of their newsletter "The > California Eucalypt Grower". From reading this newsletter, there > does seem to be a fair amount of irrigation of eucalypts going > on... perhaps someone knows more? > > Recent work done in Turkey at the Eastern Mediterranean Forestry > Research Institute by Gurses and Ozkurt. > > and then there is the South African trial on eucalypts at Mkuze, > Zululand done by Mondi. Contact Mike Howard > <mikeh@icfr.unp.ac.za> > > Luis Gurovic in Chile is also working on irrigating eucalypts. > <lgurovic@sas.puc.cl> > > I know of no scheduling software for forestry per se, but surely > orchard tree programs exist, and wouldn't be far different? > > The irrigation requirements of eucalypts will be near potential > evaporation rates for maximal growth, but they can survive on far > less. > > I would be interested to hear more on the where, how and why you > are considering irrigated forestry. It can only be profitable in > very few circumstances. > > In situations where water is abundant and irrigation is being > used as a means of disposing of it (and the nasties it may > contain), cogniscance should be taken of the possibility of > reducing the tree's potential to use water by oversupply. (I > presume this is why you want the scheduling program.) > > All the talk of air-injection systems notwithstanding! :> > > Regards > > -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. > Bruce Metelerkamp SOIL WATER RESEARCH OFFICER > Institute for Commercial Forestry Research, > University of Natal, PO Box 100281 > Scottsville, ZA3209 > Rep. of South Africa Voice:27 331 62314 > E-mail: bruce@icfr.unp.ac.za FAX:27 331 68905 > brooz@pobox.com > Bruce.Metelerkamp@pobox.com > URL http://www.icfrnet.unp.ac.za/~metele > ../SoWaCS.html > ../RR.html > Host of SoWaCS (Soil Water Content Sensor) Discussion List. > SEND info sowacs OR subscribe sowacs TO > majordomo@aqua.ccwr.ac.za > > >> > From: Pattle Delamore Partners Ltd (IRRIGATION-L) > To: IRRIGATION-L@LISTSERV.GMD.DE > Date: Tuesday, October 29, 1996 9:59 am > Subject: Irrigation scheduling programmes > > To fellow readers > > I am in the search for equipment and software that I can use for > forestry irrigation scheduling. Ideally I would like to know of > compatable equipment that can be used to measure soil moisture > and combine this information with real time weather data to > schedule irrigation requirements. We can possibly get our hands > on the met station and soil moisture equipment, but are in need > of computer software to combine the data and develop an > irrigation schedule. > > Can anyone help or refer me onto people in the know. > > Cheers > > Hamish Lowe THERE IS A COMPANY THAT I KNOW OF IN CALIFORNIA, THAT HAVE SEVERAL ONGOING PROJECTS ON TREES USING SUBSURFACE DRIP AND CONTROLING THEM BY WEATHER STATION,PAN MEASUREMENTS AND SOIL MOISTURE SENSORS. THEY ARE HAVING GREAT SUCCESS WITH THEIR SYSTEMS. IF YOU ARE INTEESTED PLEASE CONTACT: DR. CLAUDE J. PHENE SDI PLUS P.O. BOX 314 CLOVIS, CA. 93613-0314 PHONE:209-298-8068 FAX:209-298-0513
Date: 30 Oct 96 00:49:40 EST From: "KEVIN B. BRONSON" <103644.2426@CompuServe.COM> Subject: re: forestry irrigation scheduling Potlatch Farms in northern Oregon has been raising cottonwood trees (?25,000 acres)on drip for pulp for several years, and have as much experience as anyone in that field. Contact: John Olsen or Greg Roland (503)481-2620
Date: 30 Oct 96 00:49:42 EST From: "KEVIN B. BRONSON" <103644.2426@CompuServe.COM> Subject: RE: RECYCLING POLY TUBE I did some research recently on recycling tubing and the only company that I found interested was stiill working on a market and program. For more info contact: Barios Recycling Attention: Sandy 2788S Orange Ave Fresno, CA 93725 (209)233-0922 Kevin Bronson 103644,2426@Compuserve.com
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Thu Oct 31 10:03 EST 1996
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 08:50:37 -0600
Message-Id: <199610311450.AA20591@crcnis1.unl.edu>
Subject: TRICKLE-L digest 635

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Re: organic fertilizers through drip (GroAire@aol.com)



Date: Wed, 30 Oct 1996 22:44:44 -0500 From: GroAire@aol.com Subject: Re: organic fertilizers through drip One of my clients have extensive background in applying organic fertilizers through T-Tape in greenhouse and field crops (vegetables). I could give the information to you second hand, but it would probably be better for you to talk to them directly. Call for Mike or Eric Kautz @ 308-436-5634. I am an SDI and an SA design engineer. I specialize in subaeration of soils in conjunctiion with subirrigation. Dave Enyeart GroAire@aol.com 303-650-0472
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