TRICKLE-L: 199705XX

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>From owner-TRICKLE-L@crcvms.unl.edu Thu May  1 01:05 EDT 1997
Date: Thu, 01 May 1997 00:03:44 -0600
Subject: TRICKLE-L Digest - 29 Apr 1997 to 30 Apr 1997

There are 4 messages totalling 249 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Fwd: Schedule
  2. Replies on "lowerin pH by burning sulphur"
  3. Positioning Neutron Moisture Meter access holes
  4. Chimney effect



Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 03:42:58 -0400 From: Tim1Utah@AOL.COM Subject: Fwd: Schedule --------------------- Forwarded message: From: lori@irrigation.org (Lori Brown) To: Tim1Utah@aol.com (Tim) Date: 97-04-29 10:28:03 EDT THE IRRIGATION ASSOCIATION SCHEDULE OF EDUCATION COURSES HAWAII MAUI ELECTRICAL TROUBLESHOOTING - MAY 2, 1997 LANDSCAPE IRRIGATION AUDITOR - MAY 5 - 6, 1997 SPONSORED BY THE LANDSCAPE INDUSTRY COUNCIL OF HAWAII HOSTED BY THE C.T.A.H.R. COOPERATIVE EXTENSION KONA ELECTRICAL TROUBLESHOOTING - MAY 8, 1997 DRIP IN THE LANDSCAPE - MAY 9, 1997 SPONSORED BY THE LANDSCAPE INDUSTRY COUNCIL OF HAWAII NEW MEXICO ALBUQUERQUE LANDSCAPE IRRIGATION AUDITOR - MAY 8 - 9, 1997 SPONSORED BY THE NEW MEXICO IRRIGATION ASSOCIATION HOSTED BY THE CITY OF ALBUQUERQUE KANSAS WICHITA BUSINESS OF IRRIGATION CONTRACTING - MAY 19, 1997 SPONSORED BY THE KANSAS IRRIGATION ASSOCIATION HOSTED BY THE CITY OF WICHITA CALIFORNIA SAN DIEGO ELECTRICAL TROUBLESHOOTING - JUNE 24, 1997 CAL POLY POMONA ELECTRICAL TROUBLESHOOTING - JUNE 25, 1997 OAKLAND/CONCORD ELECTRICAL TROUBLESHOOTING - JUNE 26, 1997 SAN JOSE/SUNNYVALE ELECTRICAL TROUBLESHOOTING - JUNE 27, 1997 SPONSORED BY THE CALIFORNIA LANDSCAPE CONTRACTORS ASSOCIATION WASHINGTON BELLEVUE LANDSCAPE IRRIGATION AUDITOR - JUNE 30-JULY 1, 1997 SPONSORED BY: WASHINGTON CHAPTER OF THE IRRIGATION ASSOCIATION NEBRASKA OMAHA ELECTRICAL TROUBLESHOOTING - JULY 24, 1997 SPONSORED BY THE NEBRASKA TURF IRRIGATION ASSOCIATION HOSTED BY BH&L TURF IRRIGATION SUPPLY KANSAS HUTCHINSON ELECTRICAL TROUBLESHOOTING - JULY 25, 1997 SPONSORED BY THE KANSAS IRRIGATION ASSOCIATION CO-SPONSORED BY THE KANSAS ASSOCIATION OF NURSERYMEN HOSTED BY BH&L TURF IRRIGATION SUPPLY WICHITA COMPREHENSIVE IRRIGATION CONTRACTING - SEPTEMBER 15, 1997 BASIC LANDSCAPE IRRIGATION DESIGN - DECEMBER 8-9, 1997 SPONSORED BY THE KANSAS IRRIGATION ASSOCIATION HOSTED BY THE CITY OF WICHITA THE IRRIGATION ASSOCIATION RESERVES THE RIGHT TO CANCEL ANY OR ALL CLASSES AS NECESSARY. *FOR GENERAL INFORMATION CONCERNING REGISTRATION FORMS AND INFORMATION CONTACT: LORI M. BROWN EDUCATION MANAGER PHONE: (703) 573-3551 FAX: (703) 573-1913 ADDITIONAL SITES AND DATES WILL BE FORTHCOMING
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 16:25:37 -0500 From: "W. Bryan Smith" <wsmth@CLEMSON.EDU> Subject: Replies on "lowerin pH by burning sulphur" Here are the replies I have received to date on the "lowering water pH by burning sulphur" question. I apologize if you get two copies due to being subscribed to both Trickle-L and Irrigation-L. Bryan ================================= Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 09:02:04 -0700 To: wsmth@CLEMSON.EDU From: "J.D. Oster" <oster@mail.ucr.edu> Subject: Re: Lowering water pH by burning Sulphur??? X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 The sulphur dioxide generated by a sulphur burner is oxidized to sulfate. In the process hydrogen is generated. I believe the end products of the reaction are the same as if one adds sulphuric acid. J.D.(Jim) Oster Soil and Water Specialist and Adjunct Professor Soil and Environmental Sciences University of California Riverside, CA. FAX: 909 787-5522 VOICE: 909 787-5100 e-mail: Oster@mail.ucr.edu http://esce.ucr.edu From: "Said Amali (FWY)" <SaidAmali@KennedyJenks.com> To: "W. Bryan Smith" <wsmth@CLEMSON.EDU> Subject: RE: [IR-L] Lowering water pH by burning Sulphur??? Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 11:51:00 -0700 Bryan, Can he add in ammonium sulfate or such acidifying fertilizer to his irrigation water (bring down pH and add nitrogen at the same time) of course it depends on the original water pH and whether the additional nitrogen is beneficial - just a thought. Said Amali Soil Scientist saidamali@kennedyjenks.com =|===|===|===|===|===|===|===|===|===|===|= W. Bryan Smith Area Extension Agent - Irrigation / Water Quality Clemson Extension Service P.O. Box 160 Newberry, South Carolina 29108 USA Office: 803 276-1091 FAX: 803 276-1095 Internet: wsmth@clemson.edu =|===|===|===|===|===|===|===|===|===|===|= All opinions are my own and not reflective of the policies of Clemson University or the Cooperative Extension Service.
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 08:43:49 +1000 From: Tivi Theiveyanathan <Tivi@FFP.CSIRO.AU> Subject: Positioning Neutron Moisture Meter access holes Hi all >From Canberra, Australia We are planning to conduct an irrigated eucalypt tree plantation thinning trial to estimate water use of a plantation at 4 different thinning regimes. The plantation will be thinned from 1600 stems per ha to 800, 600, 400 and 200 stems per ha. Unfortunately the thinned plots will contain trees of different diameters with non uniform spacings. The plot is 30x60 m in size and the number of stems per plot will be 144, 108, 72 and 36. We are planning to install eight Neutron Moisture Meter access tubes to 2m depth in each plot to monitor changes in soil moisture between fortnights. The irrigation system is micro sprinklers with a spacing of 6x4m. Trees are six years of age. The question is Question: What method (statistical or empirical or best guess) can be used to position these eight NMM access holes inorder to get an average soil moisture content of the plot ?. One way is to position the eight tubes vertically at different distances from the base of trees of plot mean diameter (e.g, 0.5, 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, 4.0, 5.0, 6.0, 7.0 m) for the plot with 36 stems Any comments please Thanks tivi
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 17:12:41 -0700 From: Rodney Ruskin <geoflow1@SLIP.NET> Subject: Chimney effect At 02:39 AM 4/27/97 -0600, Goldberg wrote: >Can anyone recommend a soil amendment/coating which will restrict the >movement of water in a very loose sandy/silty (imported) topsoil? > >Rapid surfacing/chimneying in a drip irrigated wastewater drainfield might >be >prevented by the addition of an amendment which would fill pore spaces, >give structure, and otherwise inhibit the upward movement of water in soil >with >very little structure. Thanks for the help. > >Rick Goldberg >Drip-Tech Wastewater Systems > You could add peat moss which would give more pores but add structure and lateral movement. If your eruptions are scattered and sometimes move from spot to spot it is quite possible that the Israeli emitter, which I understand you use, is getting sand under the diaphragm and causing excess flow in individual emitters. Regards, Rodney Ruskin geoflow1@slip.net
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>From owner-TRICKLE-L@crcvms.unl.edu Fri May  2 01:01 EDT 1997
Date: Fri, 02 May 1997 00:00:17 -0600
Subject: TRICKLE-L Digest - 30 Apr 1997 to 1 May 1997

There are 4 messages totalling 274 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Positioning Neutron Moisture Meter/Other Moisture Measure Method
  2. Positioning Neutron Moisture Meter access holes (2)
  3. Economic irrigation application amounts ...



Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 22:09:41 -0700 From: Clem Wehner <cww@PACIFICCOAST.NET> Subject: Re: Positioning Neutron Moisture Meter/Other Moisture Measure Method Hello Tivi, For your eucalypt trial, consider using the new Time Domain Reflectometry (TDR) Moisture Measuring Instrument and Profiling Probes now available from Environmental Sensors Inc., Victoria, BC, Canada. I did a survey for these instruments and probes several years ago: much faster, equally accurate and less expensive than the neutron technique. No need to drill holes. There is documented experience and confidence with TDR among soil scientists in Australia and elsewhere. Suggest you get in touch with Mike Sly at Gabel Corp/Environmental Sensors Inc., Victoria, BC, Canada: Fax: 250-479-1412, Phone: 250-479-6588, E-Mail: Gabel@islandnet.com Yours truly, Clem Wehner C. Wehner & Associates Marketing Consultants International 905 Gordon Street Victoria, BC, Canada V8W 3P9 Phone and Fax: 250-383-1959 E-mail: cww@pacificcoast.net ----------------------- 0 -------------------------- At 08:43 AM 5/1/97 +1000, you wrote: >Hi all > >>From Canberra, Australia > >We are planning to conduct an irrigated eucalypt tree plantation thinning >trial to estimate water use of a plantation at 4 different thinning regimes. >The plantation will be thinned from 1600 stems per ha to 800, 600, 400 and >200 stems per ha. Unfortunately the thinned plots will contain trees of >different diameters with non uniform spacings. > >The plot is 30x60 m in size and the number of stems per plot will be 144, >108, 72 and 36. We are planning to install eight Neutron Moisture Meter >access tubes to 2m depth in each plot to monitor changes in soil moisture >between fortnights. > >The irrigation system is micro sprinklers with a spacing of 6x4m. Trees >are six years of age. > >The question is > >Question: What method (statistical or empirical or best guess) can be used >to position these eight NMM access holes inorder to get an average soil >moisture content of the plot ?. > >One way is to position the eight tubes vertically at different distances >from the base of trees of plot mean diameter (e.g, 0.5, 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, 4.0, >5.0, 6.0, 7.0 m) for the plot with 36 stems > > >Any comments please > >Thanks > >tivi
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 19:29:19 +1000 From: Hortech Services Pty Ltd <hortech@ATS.COM.AU> Subject: Re: Positioning Neutron Moisture Meter access holes Dear Tivi, I have an EnviroSCAN system presently installed in a wastewater management project investigating water use of Eucalyptus Robusta & Rhodes Grass. The project also has installed Tensiometers, Gypsum Blocks, Neutron probe. The EnviroSCAN is giving a far clearer picture of water use and extraction patterns. The software allows for the comparison of site to site. The researchers are seeing also the time saving advantages of EnviroSCAN vs Neutron Probe. I would suggest you look at using both technologies. The EnviroSCAN would give you the ability to observe very quickly where the trees are extracting moisture and then determine appropiate sites. Say install numerous PVC access tubes across the plots in increasing distance from the tree trunk. Place in eight tubes, say 1 m probes with sensors at 10, 30, 60, 100 cm. Observe over a wetting and drying cycle to see if the tree reacts either by : 1. Drying out at base first and thereafter increasing distance from the tree. 2. All areas at the same rate 3. All areas at once but at different rates ( eg base faster than extremeties ). 4. Is water use at depth mainly at the base and surface feeding outside. 5. There is full use by the tree at all depths and distances. Move the EnviroSCAN system from plot to plot to see whats going on , Then based on that info install your Neutron probe sites accordingly. As well as reinstall the EnviroSCAN system with two sites in each of the plots, one at the area of highest water use and one at the lowest. The EnviroSCAN would help fill in the gaps between Neutron Probe readings. I hope my idea helps in some way. Regards Peter At 08:43 1/05/97 +1000, you wrote: >Hi all > >>From Canberra, Australia > >We are planning to conduct an irrigated eucalypt tree plantation thinning >trial to estimate water use of a plantation at 4 different thinning regimes. >The plantation will be thinned from 1600 stems per ha to 800, 600, 400 and >200 stems per ha. Unfortunately the thinned plots will contain trees of >different diameters with non uniform spacings. > >The plot is 30x60 m in size and the number of stems per plot will be 144, >108, 72 and 36. We are planning to install eight Neutron Moisture Meter >access tubes to 2m depth in each plot to monitor changes in soil moisture >between fortnights. > >The irrigation system is micro sprinklers with a spacing of 6x4m. Trees >are six years of age. > >The question is > >Question: What method (statistical or empirical or best guess) can be used >to position these eight NMM access holes inorder to get an average soil >moisture content of the plot ?. > >One way is to position the eight tubes vertically at different distances >from the base of trees of plot mean diameter (e.g, 0.5, 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, 4.0, >5.0, 6.0, 7.0 m) for the plot with 36 stems > > >Any comments please > >Thanks > >tivi > > Peter Broomhall Horticulural Consultant Hortech Services Pty Ltd a.c.n. 060 406 957 P.O. Box 370 Kallangur QLD 4503 Australia P: +61 418 708 573 F: +61 7 3886 0389 hortech@ats.com.au
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 16:21:24 -0600 From: Clint Shock <mesosu@PRIMENET.COM> Subject: Re: Economic irrigation application amounts ... Friends, Within the discussion of deficit irrigation, a couple of topics that are often ignored. Let me mention crop quality and real water savings. With crops that are very sensitive to water stress, crop quality may be sacrificed with slight deficit irrigation. Economic crop yield of potatoes and onions decreases very rapidly with deficit irrigation at this location because of quality (grade) loss. Actual water savings can be limited if deficit irrigation really depends on the depletion of subsoil moisture for economic returns. Considerations of water time and place utility are important. For example: If subsoil moisture is going to be lost anyway, the irrigation strategy may be very different than where the subsoil moisture is effectively an integral part of future supplies. Clint -- Dr. Clinton C. Shock Malheur Experiment Station Oregon State University 595 Onion Ave. Ontario, Oregon 97914 telephone (541) 889-2174 Fax (541) 889-7831 http://www.primenet.com/~mesosu/index.html
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 16:32:48 +0000 From: Blake Sanden <blsanden@UCDAVIS.EDU> Subject: Re: Positioning Neutron Moisture Meter access holes For siting neutron probe sites in micro irrigation you must ask: 1) Do I want to characterize the true average moisture content of the whole field or (more importantly for production), 2) Do I want to maximize confidence in your irrigation scheduling and available soil water. If optimal irrigation is your goal and rainfall is NOT a major factor then site your tubes at a distance from the emitter that will represent the average application amount to the WETTED AREA only. Replicate this configuration to allow for soil and tree rooting variability in a given field or plot. For micro sprinklers this distance is about 1/2 the distance from the emitter to the edge of the wetting pattern (profound, eh?). To characterize moisture distribution you might be able to get away with 4 tubes/tree/microsprink and then get 2 reps per plot but microsprinklers have notorious rain shadows that may mean closer to the 8 tubes to delineate the pattern for one tree, especially on sandy ground. Dave Goldhammer did some good work on this years ago. Somebody have a ref? Blake Sanden Irrigation Management & Agronomy Farm Advisor, Kern County 1031 S Mt Vernon Ave Bakersfield, CA 92307 805-868-6218 blsanden@ucdavis.edu >Hi all > >>From Canberra, Australia > >We are planning to conduct an irrigated eucalypt tree plantation thinning >trial to estimate water use of a plantation at 4 different thinning regimes. >The plantation will be thinned from 1600 stems per ha to 800, 600, 400 and >200 stems per ha. Unfortunately the thinned plots will contain trees of >different diameters with non uniform spacings. > >The plot is 30x60 m in size and the number of stems per plot will be 144, >108, 72 and 36. We are planning to install eight Neutron Moisture Meter >access tubes to 2m depth in each plot to monitor changes in soil moisture >between fortnights. > >The irrigation system is micro sprinklers with a spacing of 6x4m. Trees >are six years of age. > >The question is > >Question: What method (statistical or empirical or best guess) can be used >to position these eight NMM access holes inorder to get an average soil >moisture content of the plot ?. > >One way is to position the eight tubes vertically at different distances >from the base of trees of plot mean diameter (e.g, 0.5, 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, 4.0, >5.0, 6.0, 7.0 m) for the plot with 36 stems > > >Any comments please > >Thanks > >tii
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>From owner-TRICKLE-L@crcvms.unl.edu Tue May  6 01:04 EDT 1997
Date: Tue, 06 May 1997 00:03:05 -0600
Subject: TRICKLE-L Digest - 1 May 1997 to 5 May 1997

There are 2 messages totalling 89 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Online article update (2)



Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 18:08:07 +0000 From: Richard Mead <rmead@CYBERGATE.COM> Subject: Online article update As the Internet explodes in popularity and use, so does agricultural, horticultural and irrigation information on the Net. There are four new on-line articles out of the Adams Trade Press-Green Net server that relate to microirrigation. The first three articles are found in the newest issue of the "Irrigation Journal" and the fourth article is from the newest issue of "Landscape and Irrigation". The on-line articles include, (with URL in parenthesis): Chemigation a Viable, Efficient Alternative (http://206.214.55.9/green/ij/html/497che.html) Do Your Homework When Selecting Filtration Equipment (http://206.214.55.9/green/ij/html/497do.html) Evaluating Emission Uniformity for Efficient Microirrigation (http://206.214.55.9/green/ij/html/497eva.html) Drip Emitters: Irrigation That's Good to the Last Drop (http://206.214.55.9/green/li/html/497drip.html) These articles will be at their affiliated URLs until the next issues of the Irrigation Journal or Landscape and Irrigation are published. After that, the URLs will be changed and the articles will be in the editorial archives. Feel free to surf on by, read the articles and post your opinions here on Trickle-L. Looking forward to potential comments! Richard Mead Trickle-L owner/manager http://www.cybergate.com/~rmead
Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 12:12:57 -0700 From: Bret Scaliter <bscaliter@MAIL.AIP.COM> Subject: Re: Online article update Richard: Thanks for the plug! Bret Richard Mead wrote: > > As the Internet explodes in popularity and use, so does agricultural, > horticultural and irrigation information on the Net. There are four new > on-line articles out of the Adams Trade Press-Green Net server that relate > to microirrigation. The first three articles are found in the newest issue > of the "Irrigation Journal" and the fourth article is from the newest issue > of "Landscape and Irrigation". > > The on-line articles include, (with URL in parenthesis): > > Chemigation a Viable, Efficient Alternative > (http://206.214.55.9/green/ij/html/497che.html) > > Do Your Homework When Selecting Filtration Equipment > (http://206.214.55.9/green/ij/html/497do.html) > > Evaluating Emission Uniformity for Efficient Microirrigation > (http://206.214.55.9/green/ij/html/497eva.html) > > Drip Emitters: Irrigation That's Good to the Last Drop > (http://206.214.55.9/green/li/html/497drip.html) > > These articles will be at their affiliated URLs until the next issues of > the Irrigation Journal or Landscape and Irrigation are published. After > that, the URLs will be changed and the articles will be in the editorial > archives. > > Feel free to surf on by, read the articles and post your opinions here on > Trickle-L. Looking forward to potential comments! > > Richard Mead > Trickle-L owner/manager > http://www.cybergate.com/~rmead
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>From owner-TRICKLE-L@crcvms.unl.edu Wed May  7 02:22 EDT 1997
Date: Wed, 07 May 1997 00:03:13 -0600
Subject: TRICKLE-L Digest - 5 May 1997 to 6 May 1997

There is one message totalling 49 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Online article update



Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 09:20:16 -0700 From: Bret Scaliter <bscaliter@MAIL.AIP.COM> Subject: Re: Online article update Richard, Thanks for the plug! Bret Richard Mead wrote: > > As the Internet explodes in popularity and use, so does agricultural, > horticultural and irrigation information on the Net. There are four new > on-line articles out of the Adams Trade Press-Green Net server that relate > to microirrigation. The first three articles are found in the newest issue > of the "Irrigation Journal" and the fourth article is from the newest issue > of "Landscape and Irrigation". > > The on-line articles include, (with URL in parenthesis): > > Chemigation a Viable, Efficient Alternative > (http://206.214.55.9/green/ij/html/497che.html) > > Do Your Homework When Selecting Filtration Equipment > (http://206.214.55.9/green/ij/html/497do.html) > > Evaluating Emission Uniformity for Efficient Microirrigation > (http://206.214.55.9/green/ij/html/497eva.html) > > Drip Emitters: Irrigation That's Good to the Last Drop > (http://206.214.55.9/green/li/html/497drip.html) > > These articles will be at their affiliated URLs until the next issues of > the Irrigation Journal or Landscape and Irrigation are published. After > that, the URLs will be changed and the articles will be in the editorial > archives. > > Feel free to surf on by, read the articles and post your opinions here on > Trickle-L. Looking forward to potential comments! > > Richard Mead > Trickle-L owner/manager > http://www.cybergate.com/~rmead
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>From owner-TRICKLE-L@crcvms.unl.edu Thu May  8 01:04 EDT 1997
Date: Thu, 08 May 1997 00:02:46 -0600
Subject: TRICKLE-L Digest - 6 May 1997 to 7 May 1997

There is one message totalling 55 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. ARS-Bushland  Newsletter



Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 11:29:50 -0500 From: "Terry A. Howell" <tahowell@AG.GOV> Subject: ARS-Bushland Newsletter 5/7/97 Trickle-L: The Water Management Research Unit of the USDA-ARS Conservation and Production Research Laboratory at Bushland announces its new newsletter, the "Wetting Front." The newsletter is planned as a semi-annual update about our research program and to foster technology transfer with industry and the agricultural community and to improve our communication with our stakeholder and partner agencies. The "snail mail" version should be going out late this week or early next week. If you are interested in a "hardcopy" subscription, send an e-mail subscription request (include your name, title, company/agency, department/division, address, city, state, zip code, country if not USA, and optional information of phone and fax numbers and your e-mail address) to Mrs. Carole Perryman (mailto:cperryma@ag.gov). The almost "tree less" electronic version can be read on-line at the URL http://www.net.usda.gov/cprl/wmru/wfront/wf1-1.htm . This inaugural issue includes feature articles on "Those Dalhart Lights" by myself, "Texas High Plains Irrigation" by me and Jack Musick, and "Where's the Water?" by Steve Evett. Other information includes awards and recognitions, grant news, personnel news, technology transfer news, publications, and upcoming events and presentations by our research unit staff. I would also like to alert you to our May 22 Spring Field Day at Bushland (the program is found at the URL http://www.net.usda.gov/cprl/news.htm ). You are welcome to come learn more about our research programs and to enjoy a special day devoted mostly to wheat but with an excellent program of interest to the agricultural community (not to mention the FREE lunch sponsored by the Texas Wheat Producers Board). Thank you. Terry Howell ********************************************************************* * Terry A. Howell, Ph.D., P.E. (806) 356-5746 (voice) * * USDA-ARS (806) 356-5750 (fax) * * P.O. Drawer 10 tahowell@ag.gov (e-mail) * * 2300 Experiment Station Rd. (shipping) * * Bushland, TX 79012 http://www.net.usda.gov/cprl/ (Internet) * * ........ Make every drop count! Whose water is it? ....... * *********************************************************************
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>From owner-TRICKLE-L@crcvms.unl.edu Sat May 10 01:03 EDT 1997
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 00:02:27 -0600
Subject: TRICKLE-L Digest - 7 May 1997 to 9 May 1997

There are 2 messages totalling 53 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. floriculture water....
  2. subsurface drip for cover crops



Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 09:07:08 -0700 From: Dean Reynolds <dreynold@CD-ESO.WATER.CA.GOV> Subject: floriculture water.... Hi All, I am trying to determine average water use for nurserys... in California Any information you may have regarding water use in "green houses" will be greatly appreciated. I am looking for total water use.. i.e. irrigation, cleaning, etc. Also would like information on water requirements for plants grown "outdoors" at nurseries.. Thank You, dean ************************************************** Dean Reynolds Associate Land and Water Use Analyst California Department of Water Resources 3251 S Street Sacramento, CA 95816 USA Phone: 916-227-7638 Fax: 916-227-7600 email: dreynold@water.ca.gov **************************************************
Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 19:48:36 -0600 From: Alfonso Cobo Frade <acobo@ACNET.NET> Subject: subsurface drip for cover crops I am Alfonso Cobo and I would like to know if it is posible to place subsurface drip irrigation on a cover crop like alfalfa. How long can last the irrigation lines buried without moving them? How deep cuold I place the lines under the ground? Do I need sprinkles to make seeds germinate or the water can move up in a clay soil? Thanks for your comments I will apreciate them.
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>From owner-TRICKLE-L@crcvms.unl.edu Sat May 10 18:33 EDT 1997
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 17:26:30 -0600
Subject: TRICKLE-L Digest - 9 May 1997 to 10 May 1997 - Special issue

There are 3 messages totalling 16670 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

  1. subsurface drip for cover crops
  2. subsurface drip for cover crops -Reply
  3. Economic returns on SDI cotton-16 year perspective



Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 08:27:34 -0700 From: Rodney Ruskin <geoflow1@SLIP.NET> Subject: Re: subsurface drip for cover crops At 07:48 PM 5/9/97 -0600, Alfonso Cobo Frade wrote: >I am Alfonso Cobo and I would like to know if it is posible to place >subsurface drip irrigation on a cover crop like alfalfa. > >How long can last the irrigation lines buried without moving them? > >How deep cuold I place the lines under the ground? Do I need sprinkles to >make seeds germinate or the water can move up in a clay soil? > >Thanks for your comments >I will apreciate them. Yes - alfalfa certainly can be grown with SDI. The line can stay down for at least 20 years. On clay soils it looks like 24" may be desireable. Yes sprinklers are needed to germinate, but this should only be once every 7 to 10 years. Studies have been done by the USDA and others. If you refer to http://www.rootguard-geoflow.com you will find a copy of the USDA report Subsurface Drip: Improving Alfalfa Irrigation in the West By Bob Hutmacher, Richard Mead and Peter Shouse - our leader Richard Mead is an author of the study so he can, and I am sure will, answer in great detail to any questions you may have. If you would like more information after you have seen the website http://www.rootguard-geoflow.com please send me your snail-mail address and 'phone number. Rodney Ruskin geoflow1@slip.net
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 10:36:14 -0500 From: "Joseph C. Henggeler" <j-henggeler@TAMU.EDU> Subject: subsurface drip for cover crops -Reply Regarding Alfonso Cobo's question: -- is possible to place subsurface drip irrigation on a cover crop like alfalfa. -- how long can (it) last -- how deep -- germination??? ********************* Alfonso, Sub-surface drip irrigation (SDI) of alfalfa & other forages is being done at these following locations (1) USDA/ARS in Brawley, CA; (2) New Mexico State Univ in Artesia; (3) Univ of Nevada at Reno; (4) Israel. I believe that discussion regarding your questions can be found in the topic-sorted archives of Trickle-L that Richard Mead maintains. Besides germination problems, rodents can also be a problem. When these 2 problems are controlled, SDI does excellent on alfalfa, and yields of 1.15 to 1.30 of traditional irrigation methods are reported in the literature. Joe Henggeler Ft. Stockton, TX
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 17:01:53 -0500 From: "Joseph C. Henggeler" <j-henggeler@TAMU.EDU> Subject: Economic returns on SDI cotton-16 year perspective [...] TRICKLE-L members, You may be interested in a case study that looked at the last 16 years of cotton production on a single farm in an arid part of West Texas; 8 years ago it started slowly installing SDI. The report outlines the economic impact stemming from SDI. In short: * there was a 450% return on all associated SDI dollars * total farm production increased by about 44% * even with SDI, rainfall still plays a role in final yield * before SDI 36 bales of cotton were produced from every inch of seasonal rainfall; after SDI, 54 bales were produced per inch * BT cotton worked well with SDI; last year 2.4 bales per acre were made over the entire farm, and 2.7 bales where the cotton was not hailed on and re-planted * the irrigation capacity is only 1.4 GPM/Ac (0.07 in/day [1.9 mm/day]) * the phenomenal return is due to the fact that in this area all water resources (rain & ground water) are very limited A copy of the report is attached; if you can't pull it down, send me a message directly. Joe Henggeler Ft. Stockton, TX [Archivist Note: The 1.25 Mbyte MIME-encoded Word document has been deleted in self defense. If you need a copy of it, contact the author.]
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>From owner-TRICKLE-L@crcvms.unl.edu Mon May 12 01:03 EDT 1997
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 00:01:47 -0600
Subject: TRICKLE-L Digest - 10 May 1997 to 11 May 1997

There are 3 messages totalling 95 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Economic returns on SDI cotton-16 year perspective (3)



Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 00:40:10 -0700 From: Dad <grapegrower@EARTHLINK.NET> Subject: Re: Economic returns on SDI cotton-16 year perspective I personally think a 1.2 mg file is out of line to send to all on the list. Can't you make a list of those who want the file and send it to only them?? i belong to many lists and none allow that. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- -Robert Carian- Check out my website! senorjuan@earthlink.net RTCarian@aol.com http://home.earthlink.net/~senorjuan
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 18:57:35 -0400 From: Jon Givens <ami@WATER.NET> Subject: Re: Economic returns on SDI cotton-16 year perspective I concur, My mail server(like many) has a file size limitation of 1.1 megs to prevent e-mail bombings unless I make special preperations. If they suspect a mail bomb my mail service could be interuptted for up to three days. If that can happen to me, it can happen to us all. ---------- > From: Dad <grapegrower@EARTHLINK.NET> > To: TRICKLE-L@crcvms.unl.edu > Subject: Re: Economic returns on SDI cotton-16 year perspective > Date: Sunday, May 11, 1997 3:40 AM > > I personally think a 1.2 mg file is out of line to send to all on the > list. Can't you make a list of those who want the file and send it to > only them?? i belong to many lists and none allow that. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -Robert Carian- Check out my website! > senorjuan@earthlink.net > RTCarian@aol.com http://home.earthlink.net/~senorjuan
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 22:45:52 -0400 From: "Kenneth E. Bannister" <kenbannister@GROUNDWATER.COM> Subject: Re: Economic returns on SDI cotton-16 year perspective I think an apology is in order from Mr. Henggeler. I too was more than a little inconvenienced by his foolishness. Ken Bannister >I concur, My mail server(like many) has a file size limitation of 1.1 megs >to prevent e-mail bombings unless I make special preperations. If they >suspect a mail bomb my mail service could be interuptted for up to three >days. If that can happen to me, it can happen to us all. > >---------- >> From: Dad <grapegrower@EARTHLINK.NET> >> To: TRICKLE-L@crcvms.unl.edu >> Subject: Re: Economic returns on SDI cotton-16 year perspective >> Date: Sunday, May 11, 1997 3:40 AM >> >> I personally think a 1.2 mg file is out of line to send to all on the >> list. Can't you make a list of those who want the file and send it to >> only them?? i belong to many lists and none allow that. >> >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> -Robert Carian- Check out my website! >> senorjuan@earthlink.net >> RTCarian@aol.com http://home.earthlink.net/~senorjuan > > -------------------------------------------------------------- Kenneth E. Bannister BANNISTER RESEARCH & CONSULTING RR1 Box 292 Bridport, Vermont USA 05734 http://www.groundwater.com kenbannister@groundwater.com Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forwards. Soren Kierkegaard --------------------------------------------------------------
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>From owner-TRICKLE-L@crcvms.unl.edu Tue May 13 01:03 EDT 1997
Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 00:02:29 -0600
Subject: TRICKLE-L Digest - 11 May 1997 to 12 May 1997

There are 6 messages totalling 302 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Economic returns on SDI cotton-16 year perspective (3)
  2. More Help and Less Criticism
  3. Learning experience
  4. Notice from Trickle-L owner



Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 08:22:19 -0700 From: Dean Reynolds <dreynold@CD-ESO.WATER.CA.GOV> Subject: Re: Economic returns on SDI cotton-16 year perspective Gee Dad.. I didn't even notice.. is it because I have a T1 line... would I have known why you object if I had gotton it at home over my modem? dean Dad wrote: > > I personally think a 1.2 mg file is out of line to send to all on the > list. Can't you make a list of those who want the file and send it to > only them?? i belong to many lists and none allow that. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -Robert Carian- Check out my website! > senorjuan@earthlink.net > RTCarian@aol.com http://home.earthlink.net/~senorjuan -- ************************************************** Dean Reynolds Associate Land and Water Use Analyst California Department of Water Resources 3251 S Street Sacramento, CA 95816 USA Phone: 916-227-7638 Fax: 916-227-7600 email: dreynold@water.ca.gov **************************************************
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 10:53:16 -0500 From: "Ted W. Tyson" <ttyson@ACESAG.AUBURN.EDU> Subject: Re: Economic returns on SDI cotton-16 year perspective It would be nice if all of those who know so much more than others about e-mail would lighten up on Mr. Henggeler. His intentions were honorable and I appreciate his willingness to share pertinent information. twt On Sun, 11 May 1997, Kenneth E. Bannister wrote: > I think an apology is in order from Mr. Henggeler. I too was more than a > little inconvenienced by his foolishness. > > Ken Bannister > > >I concur, My mail server(like many) has a file size limitation of 1.1 megs > >to prevent e-mail bombings unless I make special preperations. If they > >suspect a mail bomb my mail service could be interuptted for up to three > >days. If that can happen to me, it can happen to us all. > > > >---------- > >> From: Dad <grapegrower@EARTHLINK.NET> > >> To: TRICKLE-L@crcvms.unl.edu > >> Subject: Re: Economic returns on SDI cotton-16 year perspective > >> Date: Sunday, May 11, 1997 3:40 AM > >> > >> I personally think a 1.2 mg file is out of line to send to all on the > >> list. Can't you make a list of those who want the file and send it to > >> only them?? i belong to many lists and none allow that. > >> > >> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> -Robert Carian- Check out my website! > >> senorjuan@earthlink.net > >> RTCarian@aol.com http://home.earthlink.net/~senorjuan > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Kenneth E. Bannister > BANNISTER RESEARCH & CONSULTING > RR1 Box 292 Bridport, Vermont USA 05734 > http://www.groundwater.com kenbannister@groundwater.com > > Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forwards. > Soren Kierkegaard > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Ted W. Tyson Extension Ag Eng & Assoc Prof (334)844-3542 (FAX 334 844-3530) 224 Ag Engineering Auburn University, AL 36849-5626
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 11:43:23 -0500 From: James Prochaska <jnmtexas@STARTEL.NET> Subject: Re: More Help and Less Criticism Ted W. Tyson wrote: > > It would be nice if all of those who know so much more than others about > e-mail would lighten up on Mr. Henggeler. His intentions were honorable > and I appreciate his willingness to share pertinent information. twt > > > Ted W. Tyson > Extension Ag Eng & Assoc Prof > (334)844-3542 (FAX 334 844-3530) > 224 Ag Engineering > Auburn University, AL 36849-5626 Thank you Ted: Those of us who are basically new to lists and the internet appreciate a little help and coaching when it comes to "how its done". Joe Henggeler was trying to help all of us who read and comment on the list, so why did he get blasted. Trickle-L is all about helping and getting the word out. If we all have to start watching how we do something or write something, then we will cease to share with each other, and that would be a tragedy. Hang in there Joe, I appreciate the info. Jim Prochaska JNM Technologies, Inc.
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 12:13:59 -0500 From: "Joseph C. Henggeler" <j-henggeler@TAMU.EDU> Subject: Learning experience Ted & James, I appreciate the kind words about my recent faux pas. I have directly e-mailed all who rightly brought the problem to my attention with my apologies, and all have been gracious in accepting them. Live and learn. Joe Henggeler
Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 14:13:06 -0700 From: Richard Soppe <rwsoppe@UCDAVIS.EDU> Subject: Notice from Trickle-L owner Dear Trickle-L members: As Trickle-L manager/owner, I have not been able to access Trickle-L postings for the past 5 days. My Internet Service Provider account associated with the Trickle-L ownership email address has been down (too long). Hopefully they will get their act together very soon! Please be patient if you have tried to contact me about problems on Trickle-L. I also understand through the grapevine that someone has sent a 1-Megabyte report to the list. While the intention is admirable to share such detailed information, it clogs the system of a list server. I will have to attach an addedum stating not to do this to my welcome statements for future subscribers. My suggestion to the individual who sent this message is to send to information to me first* and I could put it on the Microirrigation Forum web site for viewing; one-meg files are just too big for an email discussion list. I am looking forward to future postings on Trickle-L. Being out of the loop (even for 1 day) is very discouraging! Sincerely, Richard Mead Trickle-L owner *please send any long files to rmead@cybergate.com, AFTER I get back on line.
Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 09:53:18 +1000 From: Evan Christen <evan@GRIFFITH.DWR.CSIRO.AU> Subject: Re: Economic returns on SDI cotton-16 year perspective Hi everyone I am fortunate not to have the difficulties others have had regarding file sizes and found Joes' report most interesting, I wouldn't want to put people off posting such reports, I find that having such reports in electronic form most useful, as I get requests for information I can forward articles or extract relevant parts very easily. Richard, could we perhaps state that there needs to be a warning if there is a large file attached to a posting, so that those whose system can't handle it can reject it, or am I misunderstanding the problem. Obviously putting the document on the web is a good alternative, however I seem to always have difficulty when I try to extract such information in that the formatting and graphics goes haywire. Best regards Evan Christen At 22:45 11/05/97 -0400, you wrote: >I think an apology is in order from Mr. Henggeler. I too was more than a >little inconvenienced by his foolishness. > >Ken Bannister > >>I concur, My mail server(like many) has a file size limitation of 1.1 megs >>to prevent e-mail bombings unless I make special preperations. If they >>suspect a mail bomb my mail service could be interuptted for up to three >>days. If that can happen to me, it can happen to us all. >> >>---------- >>> From: Dad <<grapegrower@EARTHLINK.NET> >>> To: TRICKLE-L@crcvms.unl.edu >>> Subject: Re: Economic returns on SDI cotton-16 year perspective >>> Date: Sunday, May 11, 1997 3:40 AM >>> >>> I personally think a 1.2 mg file is out of line to send to all on the >>> list. Can't you make a list of those who want the file and send it to >>> only them?? i belong to many lists and none allow that. >>> >>> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> -Robert Carian- Check out my website! >>> senorjuan@earthlink.net >>> RTCarian@aol.com http://home.earthlink.net/~senorjuan >> >> >-------------------------------------------------------------- > Kenneth E. Bannister > BANNISTER RESEARCH & CONSULTING > RR1 Box 292 Bridport, Vermont USA 05734 > http://www.groundwater.com kenbannister@groundwater.com > >Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forwards. > Soren Kierkegaard >-------------------------------------------------------------- > <smaller>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- <bold>Evan Christen, Ph.D. </bold>Phone: # 61 69 601586 Irrigation and drainage engineer (Research) Fax: # 61 69 601600 CSIRO Land and Water Email: evanch@griffith.dwr.csiro.au GRIFFITH NSW 2680 Postal: PMB 3, Griffith, NSW, 2680 AUSTRALIA Australia ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</smaller>
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>From owner-TRICKLE-L@crcvms.unl.edu Wed May 14 01:02 EDT 1997
Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 00:00:54 -0600
Subject: TRICKLE-L Digest - 12 May 1997 to 13 May 1997

There are 9 messages totalling 410 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. More Help and Less Criticism
  2. Joe's Post
  3. SUBSURFACE IRRIGATION (2)
  4. Irr success stories or uses of appropriate technology.
  5. Flame Wars Are Not All Bad
  6. Potential Articles/Authors
  7. Water to Minitubers (2)



Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 01:42:29 -0400 From: Jon Givens <ami@WATER.NET> Subject: Re: More Help and Less Criticism I truly understand where you are coming from, however, I believe we all have a responsibilty to EACH OTHER to learn about the medium of communication we are using here. True, it's not the same as drivinga car down the road after only briefing through the manual and filling the gas tank. It is however, a contention that the knowledgeable should not lose access to their ability to receive this information because of one persons reckless(and I use this term losely) widely unaccepted use of this list serve. Correct me if I am wrong but I do not think he was exactly flamed, nor are you at this time, but more so a genuine feeling voiced by more than one person. I too think people should be cut slack, and his heart was in the wrong place, I think it's just more that several people wondered what was taking their 33.6 modem so darned long to down load e-mail.(btw: many ISP's use dedicated e-mail lines with 10-15 minute connect time limits) to all Jon ---------- > From: James Prochaska <jnmtexas@STARTEL.NET> > To: TRICKLE-L@crcvms.unl.edu > Subject: Re: More Help and Less Criticism > Date: Monday, May 12, 1997 12:43 PM > > Ted W. Tyson wrote: > > > > It would be nice if all of those who know so much more than others about > > e-mail would lighten up on Mr. Henggeler. His intentions were honorable > > and I appreciate his willingness to share pertinent information. twt > > > > > > Ted W. Tyson > > Extension Ag Eng & Assoc Prof > > (334)844-3542 (FAX 334 844-3530) > > 224 Ag Engineering > > Auburn University, AL 36849-5626
Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 09:04:03 -0500 From: "Terry A. Howell" <tahowell@AG.GOV> Subject: Joe's Post 5/13/97 Trickle-L and Joe: I was a little ticked too yesterday when my mail program crashed twice trying to download Joe's post and tied me up for over an hour until everything finally downloaded and cleaned up. But what is frustrating is that Joe's message came into me as a bunch of junk which I can't unencode. I never have trouble with binary attachments in regular mail, just with list mail (anybody know why let me know). I do get trickle-L in the "digest" form. Joe it would have been far better to send your file to Guy Fipps to post on the AgEn server at College Station. Then you could post a message in Trickle-L with the path to the file. It would have been nice to have the file in a WP and a Zip format too for those, like me, on modems. I know Joe and know he did not intentionally mean to clog up our stuff. I was thinking about firing off a "hot" reply too, but then I saw it was Joe so I just simmered. Terry ********************************************************************* * Terry A. Howell, Ph.D., P.E. (806) 356-5746 (voice) * * USDA-ARS (806) 356-5750 (fax) * * P.O. Drawer 10 tahowell@ag.gov (e-mail) * * 2300 Experiment Station Rd. (shipping) * * Bushland, TX 79012 http://www.net.usda.gov/cprl/ (Internet) * * ........ Make every drop count! Whose water is it? ....... * *********************************************************************
Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 11:55:36 -0700 From: "Vernon C. Smith" <vsmith@FL.NRCS.USDA.GOV> Subject: SUBSURFACE IRRIGATION Has anyone developed a standard and specification for "subsurface irrigation"? In Florida we are defining a subsurface irrigation system as one that supplies water directly to the root zone of crops in well drained soils. For example: buried drip or inline emitters. If anyone has a standard or has covered this situation in other standards we would appreciate it if you would e-mail or fax it to me at 352-338-9578. Vernon Smith, Agricultural Engineer USDA, NRCS, Gainesville, FL
Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 12:37:16 -0500 From: Freddie Lamm <FLamm@OZNET.KSU.EDU> Subject: Re: SUBSURFACE IRRIGATION Vernon Smith wrote: Has anyone developed a standard and specification for "subsurface irrigation"? In Florida we are defining a subsurface irrigation system as one that supplies water directly to the root zone of crops in well drained soils. For example: buried drip or inline emitters. If anyone has a standard or has covered this situation in other standards we would appreciate it if you would e-mail or fax it to me at 352-338-9578. Freddie Lamm replied: Be careful with your terminology. There is also the term subirrigation and of course subsurface drip irrigation (SDI). They are not the same. However as I read your definition above, I think either could fit your definition in the second sentence. So, that definition is too loose because subirrigation and SDI are worlds apart in many respects. I would suggest you use SDI or subsurface drip irrigation and not create another vague term. There's already enough confusion in the literature about drip, trickle, micro-irrigation, micro irrigation and microirrigation. I am confident that neither ISO or ASAE have any standards or practices **SPECIFIC** to SDI, although they do have practices related to microirrigation (ie ASAE EP-458 and ASAE EP-405). It would depend on your needs as to whether these would be inclusive enough. At KSU, we (along with other collaborators in other states) have put together some ideas from time to time about what we think SDI should be defined as in our region (USA Central Great Plains). These papers are not really in published format, as they are more dealing with concepts. NONE OF THESE ARE STEP BY STEP DESIGN MANUALS. I can send you a copy if you would like. The titles have been shared before on Trickle-L, I believe. They are entitled: Design and Management Considerations for Subsurface Drip Irrigation Systems. 1994, with revisions in 1997. Authors: Lamm, Rogers, and Spurgeon Installation Issues for SDI Systems. 1995. In Proceedings of 16th annual IA conference, Phoenix Arizona. Authors: Lamm, Clark, Yitayew, Schoneman, Mead, and Schneider. Design and Installation of a Drip Irrigation for Research Purposes 1990. ASAE Paper 902530. Authors: Lamm, Manges, Rogers, Spurgeon, and Farmer There are also some good publications on drip irrigation and SDI from California, one each from CIT, UC-Davis, and IRTC. Each of the listed publications has strengths and weaknesses in my opinion, including my own. Freddie * ------------------------------------------------------------------- Freddie Lamm * Research Agricultural Engineer *** o KSU Northwest Research-Extension Center ***** /|\ 105 Experiment Farm Road *******\\ Colby, Kansas 67701-1697 ********* Ph. 913-462-6281 *********** FAX 913-462-2315 ************* Email:flamm@oznet.ksu.edu It's all downhill from here. ------ THERE'S NO DOMAIN LIKE OZ, THERE'S NO DOMAIN LIKE OZ. ------
Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 13:15:16 -0500 From: Freddie Lamm <FLamm@OZNET.KSU.EDU> Subject: Irr success stories or uses of appropriate technology. Trickle-L Members: Before most of us in the northern hemisphere get really busy with irrigation for the summer season, I could use your help. IF YOU CHOOSE TO RESPOND, RESPOND DIRECTLY TO ME, TO AVOID CLUTTERING TRICKLE-L My address is flamm@oznet.ksu.edu or Fax 913-462-6281. I will try to summarize significant responses to Trickle-L I am the current chair of the IA Agricultural Irrigation Division. We have tentatively accepted as our mission "To inform the public about the importance of agricultural irrigation, and to help the agricultural irrigation community to be better stewards of our natural resources and to enhance the public image of irrigated agriculture." As part of our efforts, I am periodically writing a column in the IA's Irrigation Business and Technology magazine entitled, "Lets talk about Agricultural Irrigation." The first installment was in Feb 97 and another will be in June issue. The installments will vary considerably in topic, but I would like to write one dealing with irrigation success stories and perhaps later on the use of appropriate technology. An IRRIGATION SUCCESS STORY is a story about where irrigation helped to stabilize production; personal, community, or regional economics; etc. **OR** where irrigation had a significant positive or enhancing effect on the environment. I am not really looking for product claims, I am looking for generic but verifiable stories that can enhance our industry's image in the public. For example, in the Great Plains region, irrigation has been shown to have a great influence on stability of rural communities. As another example, some ephemeral streams now have longer flow periods (advantageous to wildlife) due to irrigation return flows. An APPROPRIATE TECHNOLOGY STORY is where the use of one technology method over another was advantageous because of cost; effectiveness, simplicity, foolproofness, or etc. The appropriate technology could be less or more complex, less or more costly. It depends. An example **MIGHT BE** use of a washtub as an evaporation pan instead of a automated weather data system for scheduling irrigation. Obviously, the word **appropriate** might mean the opposite is true. I would appreciate any help you can give in identifying ideas. I know there are a lot of stories out there, so please understand I can't write about them all, and I may not even be able respond to you personally. To avoid credibility problems, I need to be able to verify the stories through previous reports, or through the use of your name or some other means. Thanks in advance. Freddie * ------------------------------------------------------------------- Freddie Lamm * Research Agricultural Engineer *** o KSU Northwest Research-Extension Center ***** /|\ 105 Experiment Farm Road *******\\ Colby, Kansas 67701-1697 ********* Ph. 913-462-6281 *********** FAX 913-462-2315 ************* Email:flamm@oznet.ksu.edu It's all downhill from here. ------ THERE'S NO DOMAIN LIKE OZ, THERE'S NO DOMAIN LIKE OZ. ------
Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 14:51:54 -0400 From: "Craig A. Storlie" <storlie@AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU> Subject: Flame Wars Are Not All Bad Joe Henggeler's recent mishap has caused me to reflect on my email list "mistake". As some of you are aware, my postings never/sometimes/always (it depends on who you are) contain mysterious attachments that are unreadable. I apologize for the distress it has caused. As I explained to some of you, I have no idea why these problems exist. My on-campus gurus guessed that it was related to the gliche-filled and very early version of MS Exchange I was running and was complicated by my access via modem over noisy lines. To this day, I have no concrete answer or solution. Hopefully, I have found a way around the problem. I dumped the MS software and installed Netscape. PLEASE LET ME KNOW if the problem still exists! I estimate that only about 10% got the garbage, but I wonder if some of you were just very polite? This leads me to my comment about Joe's attachment. I also lost some time and cursed the computer gods over the lock-ups I experienced. But the inconvienence was minor and I LEARNED SOMETHING IMPORTANT. I wonder if those who "flamed" Joe know him either personally or professionally? OK - we've been warned. Next one to goof gets made into organic soup for the drip clogging test. Craig Storlie Rutgers university
Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 15:23:11 -0700 From: Bret Scaliter <bscaliter@MAIL.AIP.COM> Subject: Potential Articles/Authors Trickle-L members: I am once again soliciting articles for the July/August "Irrigation Journal." Two topics that I am currently pursuing are: 1) Innovations in Drip Tape 2) Planning a Microsprinkler System As the "Irrigation Journal's" readership is primarily composed of growers/farmers, the slant on articles is agricultural. If you would like to submit/write an article on either of these topics or have a lead on someone knowledgeable about the topic, please contact me as soon as possible. The deadline is June 18. Thank you and I look forward to your response. Bret Scaliter, Irrigation Editor
Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 19:26:00 -0300 From: Miguel Sarries <msarries@ST.COM.UY> Subject: Water to Minitubers Hy everybody: I want to know how much water I have to put in a greenhouse of potato plant in order to produce minitubers. I have beds of 1 meter wide with 5 lines per bed. I also want to know something about fertirrigation to the same conditions. Thank you. Regards from Tacuarembo. Uruguay. Miguel Sarries
Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 21:21:39 -0600 From: wilderness flowers <flowers@RT66.COM> Subject: Re: Water to Minitubers >Miguel Sarries i believe that the requirements are the same as what we use here for field production and that should be about 1"(2.5cm) of water per week. we have had good luck with organic fertilzation at blood meal rock phosphate k2so4 dolomite #/1000 8 45 6 11 kg/100 m sq 4 21 3 5 cultivation of potatoes following a low density planting of vetch or peas will substitute for blood meal but be careful if the pea/vetch density is too high the potato crop will be poor due to excess nitrogen to approximate the recomended conventional fertilizer at these levels element Crop recomended Potatoes fertilizer # element per acre kg/100sq meters n 150 1.57 p 108 1.13 k 160 1.67 ca 300 3.13 mg 100 1.04 S 100 1.04 good luck martin connaughton wilderness flowers santa fe nm Hy everybody: > I want to know how much water I have to put in a greenhouse of >potato plant in order to produce minitubers. I have beds of 1 meter wide >with 5 lines per bed. I also want to know something about fertirrigation to >the same conditions. > Thank you. > Regards from Tacuarembo. Uruguay. > Miguel Sarries > > Martin & Damien Connaughton Wilderness Flowers Flowers@rt66.com Rt 19 Box 111-D Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 988 3096 "Think Flowers"
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>From owner-TRICKLE-L@crcvms.unl.edu Thu May 15 01:04 EDT 1997
Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 00:02:55 -0600
Subject: TRICKLE-L Digest - 13 May 1997 to 14 May 1997

There are 2 messages totalling 68 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Hydrooponic culture
  2. Trickle-L update



Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 10:51:52 -0400 From: George Wille <GeorWille@AOL.COM> Subject: Re: Hydrooponic culture Hi, I'm George Wille, and I want to know if Hydroponic culture on small places can be a good income, instead of the traditional culture. Thanks for your comments I will apreciate them. George
Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 09:15:48 -0700 From: Richard Mead <rmead@AGRILINK-INT.COM> Subject: Trickle-L update Well Trickle-L gang, I couldn't take it any longer (being out of the Trickle-L loop that is). I have canceled my >rmead@cybergate.com< email Trickle-L owner account and now will assume Trickle-L management responsibilities from my business account. My apologies to those of you who have tried to contact me via the cybergate address. I also apologize for the Microirrigation Forum web site (www.cybergate.com/~rmead) being inaccessible. Due to this Internet site's popularity (~150+ hits/day...usually), I have been thinking about creating a totally new domain and making it a non-profit entity such as "www.microirrigation.org". If any of you have suggestions about the non-profit status and/or a suggested name for the site, feel free to pop me an email with your comments. Prior to the Cybergate fiasco, I was going to mention that there are new archive files on the Microirrigation web site. While it's almost a moot point at the present down time, upon MIF's reemergence, updated archives will entail topics such as: -Deep SDI installation, 2nd Cycle -Fertigation efficiency -Filter Wear continued.. -Kc Terminology -Lowering water pH by burning Sulfur ? -Salinity of stored irrigation water Finally, I understand someone recently delivered a large file onto the list. While the information is appreciated, several people were burned by this but I'm sure the posting individual did not intend any harm. Nevertheless, I suggest that postings do not exceed 50K and no attached files should be delivered. There also have been comments about enclosing the entire original posting on a reply statement. I would strongly suggest that when replying to a post (especially a long post) that only the pertinent sentences be included within the defaulted >< arrows. My welcome statements to newbies will be immediately updated with these suggestions. Once again, my apologies for the bottle neck in this intersection of the information super highway. Let's move onward and upward in discussing drip irrigation problems! Sincerely, Richard Mead Trickle-L & MIF owner/manager
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>From owner-TRICKLE-L@crcvms.unl.edu Fri May 16 01:10 EDT 1997
Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 00:09:31 -0600
Subject: TRICKLE-L Digest - 14 May 1997 to 15 May 1997

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Topics of the day:

  1. Lysimeters and Piezometers



Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 14:35:00 -0500 From: Paul Reynolds <PREYNOLD@TNRCC.STATE.TX.US> Subject: Lysimeters and Piezometers Howdy folks, I need some assistance. I have a research project that I am trying to get off the ground and I need some information on venders for lysimeters and piezometers. We are looking at the possibility of utilising 'push point' equipment for sampling soil water and/or perched water tables at less than 12-15 foot depths. Price is not a major factor, however, it would be convenient to keep it at a minimum. Also, since this is a federal project, for QAQC purposes, all field individuals need to have training in the installation and sampling of these products. If any of you folks can be of assistance, I would be grateful for any input you may be able to send my way. I would prefer to have all information sent via e-mail or fax as we are pressed for time. Thank you for your time and patience. Paul Reynolds (MC-147) Texas Natural Resource Conservation Commission GroundWater Assessment Section PO Box 13087 Austin TX 78711-3087 preynold@tnrcc.state.tx.us (512)239-4508 phone (512)239-4450 fax
End of TRICKLE-L Digest - 14 May 1997 to 15 May 1997 ****************************************************

>From owner-TRICKLE-L@crcvms.unl.edu Wed May 21 01:03 EDT 1997
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 00:02:49 -0600
Subject: TRICKLE-L Digest - 15 May 1997 to 20 May 1997

There is one message totalling 20 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Trickle irrigation and jojoba



Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 08:33:29 +1000 From: Pat Hulme <pathulme@OZEMAIL.COM.AU> Subject: Trickle irrigation and jojoba G'Day, I have recently been discussing irrigation options for a 20 ha jojoba plantation in eastern Australia. My understanding from research agronomists here is that the best irrigation strategy is to fill the soil with water when the plants are dormant (winter), then have plants use this moisture during the summer. The advice is that furrow irrigation is the best way of doing this. The question put to me was: Are there any successful jojoba plantations irrigated by trickle irrigation? Can participants of TRICKLE-L help me answer this question?
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