1-Apr-83 04:00:00,698;000000000000 Date: 1 Apr 1983 0300-PST From: Administrator Subject: Subject Fields To: info-micro@brl.arpa cc: info-cpm@brl.arpa Received: From Office-10.ARPA via smtp; 1 Apr 83 6:01 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 1 Apr 83 6:11 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 1 Apr 83 6:19 EST Subject : Subject Fields The readers many of us depend on to read messages to info-micro and info-cpm clip off the subject field. Many senders assume in the text that the subject has been seen and it is almost impossible to understand what the message is about. If you have a couple seconds, add the subject in the text. Thanks Tom ------- 1-Apr-83 08:20:00,921;000000000000 Date: 1 Apr 1983 0920-CST From: Kim Korner Subject: Kaypro II terminal emulator To: info-cpm@brl.arpa Received: From Utexas-20.ARPA via smtp; 1 Apr 83 10:21 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 1 Apr 83 10:37 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 1 Apr 83 10:45 EST I am contemplating buying the Kaypro II but have not been very impressed with the terminal emulator/modem software they want to sell me. I can live happily with the public domain MODEMX.X stuff but wonder about public domain terminal emulators? I need something that will emulate VT52, VT100, H19 and/or ADM3a at 1200 or 2400 baud. I could hack something up but would hate to reinvent the wheel. Also, does anyone have any feel if it's worth waiting a few months for the Kaypro 10 (with hard disk for $1k over Kaypro II price) or just as good to go with the II now? Thanks- Kim Korner ------- 1-Apr-83 15:28:00,465;000000000000 Date: 1 Apr 1983 1428-PST Subject: Disk Emulator Software From: FRANK A. To: INFO-CPM@mit-mc.arpa Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA via smtp; 1 Apr 83 19:16 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 1 Apr 83 19:20 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 1 Apr 83 19:20 EST Subject: Disk Emulator Software Can anyone help me find software that will let me read Osbourne and/or IBM-PC disks on a KAYPRO II? Thanks. Frank ------- 1-Apr-83 17:36:40,1359;000000000000 Date: 1-Apr-83 19:36:40-EST From: jalbers@bnl.arpa Subject: Portables To: CC.KORNER@utexas-20.arpa Cc: Info-CPM@mit-mc.arpa, Info-Micro@brl.arpa Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA via smtp; 6 Apr 83 2:38 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 6 Apr 83 2:50 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 6 Apr 83 2:54 EST Kim, In reference to you message of 1 Apr 83 re: Kaypro II terminal emulator, I would wait around for the KAYPRO 10, if that was my only choice of computer. You might cgeck into the Access Computer, which has the following: Hardware: 64K RAM 8K eprom 7 inch CRT w/ 24x80 lines of text 2 double sided double density 5 1/4 inch disk drives (320 KB ea.) Built in acoustic coupler [300 bps] Built in direct connect modem [not sure, but I think 300/1200 baud] 2 RS-232 ports, 61-9600 baud 1 centronics port 1 IEEE 488 port Selectric type keyboard Software: CP/M MBASIC CBASIC Perfict Writer/speller/file/calc And a communications package that emulated H19, VT100, VT52, and something called a 'TH6800', whatever that is... If you want to get more info, write them at: Access Matrix Corporation 2159 Bering Drive San Jose, CA 95131 or call; [408] 263-3660 If you want more info on portables or communications, drop me a line... Jon Albers jalbers@bnl 1-Apr-83 20:53:39,1037;000000000000 Date: 1-Apr-83 22:53:39-EST From: jalbers@bnl.arpa Subject: disk emulator To: NCCRARY@usc-isie.arpa Cc: Info-Micro@brl.arpa, Info-CPM@mit-mc.arpa Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA via smtp; 5 Apr 83 3:01 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 5 Apr 83 3:07 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 5 Apr 83 3:11 EST Frank, The way the computer reads disks is comtrolled by the disk controller. In the KAYPRO, the disk controller is unable to read anything not written on a KAYPRO, so you would have to change the hardware, not the software to be able to read other disk formats. The Osborne Double Density option allows one to read other disk formats because the drive controller ROM has the instructions on how to do this.. If the Kaypro has an EPROM in the disk controller, you might be able to re- program it, but It would be very difficult to do so. The easiest way to do file transfer would be to have an Ozzie or PC hard-wired to each other and send files through the ports. Jon Albers jalbers@bnl 2-Apr-83 05:10:00,1108;000000000000 Date: 2 Apr 1983 0410-PST Sender: SYS-ADM@office-10.arpa Subject: Re: Subject Fields From: SYS-ADM@office-10.arpa To: W8SDZ@mit-mc.arpa Cc: Sys-Adm@office-10.arpa, Info-Micro@brl.arpa, Info-Cpm@brl.arpa Message-ID: <[OFFICE-10] 2-Apr-83 04:10:28.SYS-ADM> In-Reply-To: Your message of 1 April 1983 19:40 EST Received: From Office-10.ARPA via smtp; 2 Apr 83 7:13 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 2 Apr 83 7:19 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 2 Apr 83 7:22 EST I suppose I wasn't clear (I know I wasn't). The reader I was referring to is BBoard or identical, it is the same on at least 10 hosts I use, and it has the same problem on most of the hosts the gripes are now coming from. There appears to be no problem if messages are sent via sndmsg, but Hermes and most other mail systems do not provide a message that reflects a subject field in BBoard type readers. So, no big deal. If your message provides a needed service, all interested will seek out the subject; if you are requesting info, your chances of a response are reduced. No point in screaming. Tom 2-Apr-83 06:57:00,539;000000000000 Date: 2 Apr 1983 0557-PST From: Administrator Subject: Red-faced To: info-micro@brl.arpa cc: info-cpm@brl.arpa Received: From Office-10.ARPA via smtp; 2 Apr 83 8:58 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 2 Apr 83 9:08 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 2 Apr 83 9:15 EST It was really simple to fix the bboard type program I use to read info-micro and info-cpm, and I did, and I apologize to the entire group. Oh well, it was worth it to get the subject. Tom ------- 2-Apr-83 12:13:59,1330;000000000000 Date: 2-Apr-83 14:13:59-EST From: jalbers@bnl.arpa Subject: Portables To: CC.KORNER@utexas-20.arpa Cc: Info-Micro@brl.arpa, Info-CPM@mit-mc.arpa Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA via smtp; 6 Apr 83 21:23 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 6 Apr 83 21:26 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 6 Apr 83 21:28 EST Kim, I haven't seenit because it has not been fully marketed. Some computer stores have demos in, but thats about it. I call around about it and I talked to a few friends and here is what I found: The Access will cost around $2400 - $2500 It will have 64K of RAM + 8K of EPROM It will run CP/M 80 [3.0 when it comes out] It will have the modems as I said, though I still don't know about the baud It will have an 80 column printer with graphics, I think it is a Prowriter striped down and built into the Access's case And it will have an 80x24 AMBER CRT. The keyboard is VT100 type low-profile with all the special function keys, ESC, CTL, DEL, etc... 2 RS232 ports, 1 Centronics, and one IEEE 488 port finish up the package. The disk drives are as I said, 5 1/4, DD DS. and an option to add an 8 inch drive externially... That all I have on it for now... Check back with me in a few days for more, or I'll let you know.. Jon Albers jalbers@bnl 2-Apr-83 13:54:00,697;000000000000 Date: 2 April 1983 13:54 EST From: Greg Heise To: W8SDZ@mit-mc.arpa cc: info-cpm@brl.arpa Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA via smtp; 2 Apr 83 13:51 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 2 Apr 83 13:53 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 2 Apr 83 14:03 EST Is it possible to upload the rcpm list to an archive and dispense with full mailer-distribution of the list? I was in CA for the faire, and when I got back, the FIFO mailer had dumped a lot of unread mail in favor of the nearly-useless rcpm info. I'm sure the net and ITS really *love* distributing that list ... why not just send us all a pointer? End of barely-visible-flame. Greg (AUTHOR@MC) 2-Apr-83 20:53:00,1221;000000000000 Date: 2 Apr 1983 1953-PST From: DKREBILL@usc-isie.arpa Subject: Re: MODEM Routines for VAX 11/780 Using VMS To: ADDRESS PROBLEM (BRL-BMD): (" Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 5 Apr 83 2:38 EST "); Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 5 Apr 83 2:33 EST ") cc: DKREBILL@Usc-Isie.ARPA, info-cpm@Mit-Mc.ARPA Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA via smtp; 5 Apr 83 2:28 EST In response to the message sent 2 April 1983 01:14 EST from "James Lewis Bean,,BEAN@MIT-MC Lewis---- Thanks for responding ref. my quest to find a true VMS version of MODEM to run on a VAX 11/780. I have since obtained a copy of UMODEM and we are adapting it to run on the VAX we run UNIX on; additionally, we do have UNICE running on our VMS based VAX, and that could be an interim solution. Despite my probings of various implementors, I still have not found the elusive version that was described in Bill Westfield's MODEM commentary. My department is interested in both a UNIX and VMS version, and we would like to add features to support a 1200 Baud autodialer we have. I did hear from/about one in-progress implementation, so maybe I should just be patient Thanks for you response .......Dan ------- 3-Apr-83 08:34:00,710;000000000000 Date: 3 Apr 1983 0734-PST From: LHILL@usc-eclb.arpa Subject: CTL E & O To: info-cpm@brl.arpa cc: lhill@usc-eclb.arpa Received: From Usc-Eclb.ARPA via smtp; 4 Apr 83 10:07 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 4 Apr 83 10:29 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 4 Apr 83 12:10 EST I assume most of you, like I, read the INFO files while under HERMES, so, I would also assume that many of you have also found a way the problem of being unable to issue a CTL E (modem7x) or CTL O (smodem). These are, of course the menu calls on those modem programs. This is not a critical problem, obviously, just a nusance I would like to avoid if possible. Any advice?? Lem ------- 4-Apr-83 08:12:24,932;000000000000 Date: 4 Apr 83 8:12:24 PST (Monday) From: cherry.es@parc-maxc.arpa Subject: MIT-MC CPM access To: Keith Petersen cc: Info-CPM@brl.arpa, cherry.es@parc-maxc.arpa Received: From Parc-Maxc.ARPA via smtp; 4 Apr 83 11:48 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 4 Apr 83 11:52 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 4 Apr 83 13:45 EST The list of all MIT-MC CPM directories has been updated as of today. If you cannot FTP this file, send a message to Info-Cpm-Request and you will be put on a list to receive these listings periodically. --Keith ------------------------------ Keith, is this file server "open" or "closed"? If it is an open server, what is the procedure for access and/or establishing an account with the directory? We get these type of messages often (at Xerox, El Segundo) but I have never seen anything about how an outsider can use this service. Thanks, Bob/WA0TZM 4-Apr-83 09:00:27,562;000000000000 Date: 4 Apr 1983 11:00:27-EST From: goldfarb.ucf-cs@rand-relay.arpa Return-Path: Subject: RCPMLIST To: AUTHOR@mit-mc.arpa Cc: info-cpm@brl.arpa, w8sdz@brl.arpa Via: UCF-CS; 7 Apr 83 12:26-PDT Received: From Rand-Relay.ARPA via smtp; 7 Apr 83 18:27 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 7 Apr 83 18:28 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 7 Apr 83 18:38 EST Some of us do not have FTP access. Keith's distribution of the list is appreciated here for that reason. Hope this extinguishes yoour torch. Ben 4-Apr-83 10:15:45,2095;000000000000 Date: 4 Apr 1983 09:15:45-PST From: Bob Van Cleef Reply-to: CCVAX.revc@nosc-cc.arpa To: info-cpm@brl.arpa Subject: Documentation Standards Cc: CCVAX.revc@nosc-cc.arpa Received: From Nosc-Cc.ARPA via smtp; 4 Apr 83 12:31 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 4 Apr 83 12:41 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 4 Apr 83 13:47 EST I would like to see quidelines for submission of documentation to nets/rcpms. Quite often I have spent a lot of time changing document files to make them printable on the local system, and a few guidelines might make that type of labor unnecessary. I would like to see some discussion of this. 1. Place a comment line at the bottom of the file to indicate where the file ends. It is nice to know that the file was not truncated in transit. 2. If you are submitting a file generated with WordStar, do not use right margin justification. If the parity (soft) bit gets stripped somewhere along the line, it is not too much work to go through the file and replace the hard 's with soft 's, but it is a real pain trying to replace/remove the extra spaces. 3. Do not use 70+ columns for line width. Some people are limited to using typewriter based printers, and would be limitted to 66 columns. That's the reason I've had to reformat some non-soft WordStar files. 4. Use ^L or '.PA' or equivalent for page breaks. Do not use 12 spaces to generate a new page. It is a lot easier to change a formfeed to blank lines than to change blank lines to a formfeed. Same goes for WordStar's '.PA' command. This list is not complete or all inclusive. I hope that it may prime the pumps so that we can get a GOOD standard for exchanging document file. I would prefer to receive all the files in pure WordStar format, but every one of the mainframe systems that I deal with, from VAX's to CompuServe, have path restrictions for the parity bit. If this was discussed awhile back, and I missed it, I would appreciate a summary -BY MAIL-. Bob Van Cleef - revc@NOSC 4-Apr-83 14:20:36,1471;000000000000 Date: 4 Apr 83 14:20:36 EST (Mon) From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@brl.arpa Subject: [J. Eliot B. Mos: S-100 Floppy Disk Controllers] Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 4 Apr 83 14:30 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 4 Apr 83 14:33 EST This should have been sent to Info-Cpm instead of Info-Micro. Replies to address below, not me, please. ----- Forwarded message # 1: Date: 3 Apr 1983 1949-EST From: J. Eliot B. Moss Subject: S-100 Floppy Disk Controllers To: info-micro@brl.arpa Received: From Mit-Xx.ARPA via smtp; 4 Apr 83 9:15 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 4 Apr 83 9:59 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 4 Apr 83 11:49 EST I was wondering if there are any S-100 floppy disk controller boards that have the following set of features: 1) Board buffers a sector, and is intelligient enough that the CPU can issue a command, do something else, and come back later for the data in response to an interrupt (similarly for writing). 2) Works with single and double density drives. 3) Works with 8" and 5 1/4" drives. 4) Works with 48 tpi and 96 tpi drives. 5) Items of flavors in (2), (3), and (4) arbitrarily mixable. 6) Controls 2 to 4 drives. Anybody know of boards meeting all or most of these specs? (1) is important for good performance in a banked multi-user system. Thanks -- Eliot ------- ----- End of forwarded messages 4-Apr-83 19:31:00,1233;000000000000 Date: 4 Apr 1983 1831-PST From: STERNLIGHT@usc-ecl.arpa Subject: Sending control characters via modem programs To: info-cpm@brl.arpa Received: From Usc-Ecl.ARPA via smtp; 4 Apr 83 21:31 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 4 Apr 83 21:33 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 4 Apr 83 21:45 EST In response to LHILL's question about getting control characters to the central computer, when MDM or SMODEM uses some of them for its own commands: SURE: ADD A ROUTINE (MDM HAS IT) to have the program take a character to mean the next character is a command to the modem program, not a command to send downline in terminal mode. Then EVERYTHING not preceeded by that char (I use ^^) is a command to the computer you are connected to. That is very necessary if you want to use, say, EMACS, which uses all the control and meta characters you can think of. (The implementation in MDM is reversed; all control characters are sent to MDM unless the special character precedes them; I reversed the test to get the above result.) Note ^^ is control, up-arrow, or control 6 on some machines. (P.S.; I switched from that to ^_ since that is the "down-arrow" key on my TRS-80 Mod II.) --david-- ------- 4-Apr-83 19:48:00,1019;000000000000 Date: 4 April 1983 19:48 EST From: Keith Petersen Subject: CTL E & O in MODEM7xx To: LHILL@usc-eclb.arpa cc: Info-Cpm@brl.arpa In-reply-to: Msg of 3 Apr 1983 0734-PST from LHILL at usc-eclb.arpa Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA via smtp; 4 Apr 83 19:50 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 4 Apr 83 19:51 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 4 Apr 83 19:57 EST The current version of MODEM7xx (which is now MDM705) allows the user-configurable option of fixing the terminal mode so that ALL control characters may be sent to the modem, and only those prefaced with an intercept character (control up-arrow) will be sent to MODEM7xx. The control up-arrow itself may also be sent to the mmodem by typing it twice. I'm sure you'll find this latest version well worth having. It has many other features, like being able to turn on the printer while in the terminal mode (even if the printer is slower than the incoming data on the modem). There is a printer buffer. --Keith 4-Apr-83 19:53:00,844;000000000000 Date: 4 April 1983 19:53 EST From: Keith Petersen Subject: Documentation Standards To: CCVAX.revc@nosc-cc.arpa cc: Info-Cpm@brl.arpa In-reply-to: Msg of 4 Apr 1983 09:15:45-PST from Bob Van Cleef Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA via smtp; 4 Apr 83 19:51 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 4 Apr 83 20:02 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 4 Apr 83 20:08 EST I don't like to see people distribute DOC files in WordStar format because it **ASSUMES** that everyone has WordStar. HOW ABSURD! There's nothing wrong with distributing a WordStar OUTPUT file which is already formatted (yes, even with multiple CRLFs instead of formfeeds). Most RCPM systems are SQUEEZing the files these days and those multiple characters are stored aas only a few bytes in a squeezed file. 4-Apr-83 20:12:00,1046;000000000000 Date: 4 April 1983 20:12 EST From: Edward Huang Subject: RE: Control E and Control O To: LHILL@usc-eclb.arpa cc: EH@mit-ai.arpa, info-cpm@brl.arpa Received: From Mit-Ai.ARPA via smtp; 4 Apr 83 20:13 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 4 Apr 83 20:21 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 4 Apr 83 20:34 EST Hi,... in the new (and super) MDM705 (the MDM7xx series are an extension of the old MODEM7xx series of modem programs), there is a toggle that allows you to type those characters directly to the modem without being intercepted by the program. To type those program control characters,you must type a control-^ which is "local escape character". Irv Hoff (MDM7xx..) really did a great job on this one - before when using EMACS,I couldnt use MODEM7xx. The MDM7xx series are in the INFO-CPM archive #61 on CPM; directory. Enjoy! -Ed ps: since USC is in California, you might try calling my RCP/M (DataTech HQ 415-595-0541) to get those programs but I'm sure you can get it through the net. 4-Apr-83 20:46:00,732;000000000000 Date: 4 April 1983 20:46 EST From: Robert L. Plouffe Subject: ctl E & O (no problem) To: lhill@usc-eclb.arpa cc: info-cpm@brl.arpa Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA via smtp; 4 Apr 83 20:45 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 4 Apr 83 20:49 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 4 Apr 83 20:57 EST Take a look at the versions of modem7xx and MDM70x that have a three letter command at the modem command line that toggles the program to allow the sending of control characters. The commsnd is 'TLC". When thusly toggled, you must enter a contr-^ and then control E or O to do local modem commands. Otherwise, contro characters will have no affect on your modem terminal operation....Neat, huh? 4-Apr-83 21:32:00,704;000000000000 Date: 4 April 1983 21:32 EST From: Michael C. Adler Subject: Sub/superscripts with GRAFTRAX+ on MX-80 To: info-cpm@brl.arpa Received: From Mit-Ml.ARPA via smtp; 4 Apr 83 21:30 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 4 Apr 83 21:33 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 4 Apr 83 21:44 EST I've had no luck with info-printers @ MC so I'll try this list. Could somebody tell me the escape sequences necessary to enter/exit sub/superscript mode with GRAFTRAX+? I need to know whether I can interface it to WordStar easily before spending money. Local dealers have been most unhelpful! -Michael P.S. By the way, how do characters in this mode look? Readable? 4-Apr-83 23:02:53,1731;000000000000 Date: 4 Apr 1983 22:02:53-PST From: Ty Wernet Reply-to: CCVAX.ty@nosc-cc.arpa To: MADLER@mit-ml.arpa, info-cpm@brl.arpa Subject: Re: Sub/superscripts with GRAFTRAX+ on MX-80 Cc: CCVAX.ty@nosc-cc.arpa Received: From Nosc-Cc.ARPA via smtp; 5 Apr 83 1:16 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 5 Apr 83 1:27 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 5 Apr 83 1:33 EST The character sequences for GRAFTRAX+ are as follows: " S 0" => sets superscript mode " S 1" => sets subscript mode The setting of the scripts requires the 3 character sequence although super- script takes a binary zero to be set, any number greater than zero will set subscript. The real problem comes when turning off one of the scripts as you will see. " T" => Resets supercript, subscript, and unidirectional printing. Does not turn off double strike). NOTE: The setting of the script modes also set double strike on and unidirectional printing on. " H" => Turns off double strike mode, superscript and sub- script mode. Leaves unidirectional printing on. These script modes are VERY impressive as far as readability. You can also set compressed mode, italics mode, prior to scripting. One thing to watch out for is that the using of emphasized mode cannot be mixed with the script modes. There are some patchs available through some of the RCPM's that enable you to "Patch" wordstar to ease the setting of these modes since the Scipt patch area in Wordstar does not do the right thing. If you need more information reply to this with an address and I will send the Graftrx+ function sheet that contains all of the escape sequences. ---Ty 5-Apr-83 00:32:00,807;000000000000 Date: 5 April 1983 00:32 EST From: Paul L. Kelley Subject: Control E and Control O To: EH@mit-ai.arpa cc: LHILL@usc-eclb.arpa, INFO-CPM@brl.arpa In-reply-to: Msg of 4 Apr 1983 20:12 EST from Edward Huang Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA via smtp; 5 Apr 83 0:29 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 5 Apr 83 0:33 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 5 Apr 83 0:37 EST Sorry to carp, but the stuff with the local escape character was done by me at about MODEM769. The reason was precisely the one you gave, i.e. to use the program with EMACS. The history file has been obliterated. The changes in going from 796 to 705 have not been major from the point of view of new features and I believe that Frank Gaude has had a lot to do with the changes. 5-Apr-83 03:36:00,1119;000000000000 Date: 5 April 1983 03:36 EST From: Ronald G. Fowler Subject: more than 256 files/disk To: INFO-CPM@mit-mc.arpa Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA via smtp; 5 Apr 83 3:33 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 5 Apr 83 3:41 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 5 Apr 83 3:44 EST Yes, you can have much more than 256 files on a disk; set the DIRMAX field in your BIOS to whatever you'd like. There is a catch however: you must reserve sufficient space for the directory via AL0 and AL1; since these two bytes form a 16-bit vector which is used to initialize the allocation vector, your directory maximum size is 16 blocks (which may vary from 1K to 16K, depending on how BLKSHF and BLKMSK are set up). Hence, with 1K blocks, your dir- ectory cannot exceed 16K (16 1K blocks; since there is room in a 1K block for 32 32-byte directory entries, 512 would be the maximum directory size when using 1K blocks). Note that you can increase the directory size only be enlarging the block size, and this is at the expense of efficiency when considering small files. --Ron Fowler 5-Apr-83 06:04:00,1924;000000000000 Date: 5 Apr 1983 0704-CST Subject: Retry... From: Doug To: Info-CPM@brl.arpa Received: From Gunter-Adam.ARPA via smtp; 5 Apr 83 8:04 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 5 Apr 83 8:11 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 5 Apr 83 8:24 EST Tried this msg a while back, but mailer died. Those of you with TOPS-20 implementations of MODEM7 may need to be aware of a new 'feature' of the OS. TOPS-20 is now trying to impose flow control on its TTY lines. A guy at ISI told me that after about 60 chars coming in at 1200-up, the 20 would start throwing out CTL-S characters trying to stop the sender. These CTL-S's are interpreted by MODEM7 (micro side) and MDM705, not as a NAK, but rather as ACK* (not ACK). This causes repeated retransmission attempts and finally aborts the process. The only way we could tell this was to hook up a data line monitor. The 20 side would ACK a block, but the CTL-S had already initiated a retransmission. Obviously, this only occurs when you are trying to download from a micro to the 20. Solution: In GETACK, after you compare for ACK, compare for NAK. If not NAK, loop through GETACK. This will ONLY allow ACK and NAK to be used for control, but it gets the job done. Might cause some problems, but we haven't experienced any. Same guy at ISI told me that 131 or 132 characters at high load and 4800 baud would lose half the block on the 20 side. In our experience, this has not been the case. The front end seems to handle our blocks without any loss. BE AWARE!! If you simply add the two lines necessary for the fix above, overlay segments for MDM705 will be affected. We have made a separate overlay to correct the problem which removes some of the interpretation code in GETACK to maintain spacing. If anyone sees problems with this approach, please let me know. Doug ------- 5-Apr-83 13:05:00,884;000000000000 Date: 5 Apr 83 13:05 EST (Tuesday) From: Thieret.WBST@parc-maxc.arpa Subject: S-100 Box To: info-cpm@mit-mc.arpa cc: thieret.wbst@parc-maxc.arpa Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA via smtp; 6 Apr 83 18:00 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 6 Apr 83 18:10 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 6 Apr 83 18:13 EST I'm interested in finding a box to put all my recently acquired S-100 boards in. I have looked at the variety of card cages available and find them all just about equivalent except in price. Does anyone have any opinions or experience with them (I'm sure you do). Please respond. I'm currently using a borrowed Integrand box with 12 slots and holes for the disk drives. It will shortly be needed by it's owner. If anyone has one just laying around that you would like to part with, I'm willing to listen to your offers. Thanks. Tracy. 5-Apr-83 20:29:00,1028;000000000000 Date: 5 April 1983 20:29 EST From: Edward Huang Subject: RE: Control-O & Control-E in MODEM... To: PLK@mit-mc.arpa cc: EH@mit-ai.arpa, lhill@usc-eclb.arpa, info-cpm@brl.arpa Received: From Mit-Ai.ARPA via smtp; 5 Apr 83 20:30 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 5 Apr 83 20:33 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 5 Apr 83 20:47 EST Hi Paul, Well,sorry about the credit error but I assumed all those features not in MODEM7xx which were in MDM7xxx were done by Irv hoff... well,I found out I happened to use a very old MODEM731! Anyway,here it is: nice job Mr Kelly for EMACS and full-control-code users! -Ed ps: What is going on?? I sent a reply to LHILL+INFO-CPM about the subject and later I found 3 or 4 others sent a reply on the subject.. sigh due to delays in network mail (TCP crap,etc) we all get out of sync and end up duplicating everything... [remeber we got 5 or so copies of one msg because that Berkely guy thought it didnt go through?] anyway,have a nice day!! 6-Apr-83 03:33:00,1199;000000000000 Date: 6 April 1983 03:33 EST From: Charles L. Jackson Subject: PLOTING Software To: INFO-CPM@mit-mc.arpa Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA via smtp; 6 Apr 83 3:30 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 6 Apr 83 3:34 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 6 Apr 83 3:39 EST A company named Enercomp sells graphics software for the CPM user. I bought a copy two months ago and hae the following two major comments: 1) It works. You can use your Epson MX-80 or other dotmatrix printer as if it were a plotter. It's similar to using a SLOW calcomp plotter. There are calls for plotting points, lines, setting scale, labeling axis etc. Part of the package is a menu driven option for generating pie charts, bar charts and X-Y graphs. 2) The system is "HARD" to use. For example, case is significant in commands! plot <> PLOT. When it fails (or you fail to satisfy its rigid syntax), you get no clear indication of the problem. This program has a sort of 1960's feeling about it (It should be running under IBSYS not CPM). Nevertheless, it proved valuable and convenient. It is a low cost way to get printing capability. regards chuck 6-Apr-83 03:38:00,546;000000000000 Date: 6 April 1983 03:38 EST From: Charles L. Jackson Subject: shared disk query To: INFO-CPM@mit-mc.arpa Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA via smtp; 6 Apr 83 23:52 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 7 Apr 83 0:04 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 7 Apr 83 10:07 EST Any suggestions on systems for shared disks in a CPM environment? We have 3 TRS-80 II's and a Osborne and it would be useful to have a shared hard disk. Is the Cameo multiplexer what I want? Suggestions to clj @ mit-mc? regards clj 6-Apr-83 05:07:04,960;000000000000 Date: 6 Apr 83 5:07:04 EST (Wed) From: Harold Carter (AFIT) To: jalbers@bnl.arpa cc: info-cpm@brl.arpa Subject: Seequa's Chameleon 8/16-bit machine Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 6 Apr 83 5:10 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 6 Apr 83 5:13 EST A distinguished professor here at the Air Force Institute of Technology is looking for a computer to buy. The Chameleon looks terrific on paper for his needs, and the price is right (<$2000 list). The machine boasts z-80 and 8088 capability with cp/m and ms-dos, a 9" screen, two 5 1/4" 320 Kbyte floppies , and portability. Anyone have knowledge of reliability of this beast? Is the delivered applications software any good? Does the Chameleon *REALLY* fully emulate an IBM PC (including disk compatability)? Please post comments to info-cp/m since I suspect others would be interested in your response. Thank You, Hal Carter 6-Apr-83 08:22:22,874;000000000000 Date: 6 Apr 83 9:22:22-CST (Wed) From: Fbrown.Micom@udel-relay.arpa Return-Path: Subject: vax vms &unix To: info-cpm@brl.arpa Cc: fbrown@micom Via: Micom; 6 Apr 83 14:20-EST Received: From Udel-Relay.ARPA via smtp; 7 Apr 83 3:04 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 7 Apr 83 10:40 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 7 Apr 83 10:58 EST re: dkrebill @isie message to info-CPM, 2 Apr.,UMODEM Dan, In your message you talked about running both VMS and UNIX concurrently on a VAX 11-780. I was of the impression that it was an either/or relationship which existed between those two OS. I would like to get some info on running them on the same box, mainly, what version of UNIX, and an observatioon on how the "cohabitation" seems to be working out. Thanks, Frank Brown fbrown @ micom 6-Apr-83 14:03:50,669;000000000000 Date: 6-Apr-83 16:03:50-EST From: jalbers@bnl.arpa Subject: Chameleon's great! To: hcarter@brl.arpa Cc: Info-micro@mit-mc.arpa, Info-CPM@brl.arpa Received: From Bnl.ARPA via smtp; 6 Apr 83 18:57 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 6 Apr 83 19:06 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 6 Apr 83 19:18 EST Harold, You've made a good choice. That armfull is a sound choice, since it IS *REALLY* fully IBM-PC compatable, right down to the drives. At this time, I've not heard of any deep info on the Chameleon, but what I do know of it, if [and I mean IF] you go for IBM-PC types, his is the unit for you.. Jon Albers jalbers@bnl 6-Apr-83 18:56:00,808;000000000000 Date: 6 April 1983 18:56 EST From: Charlie Strom Subject: PLOTTING Software To: CLJ@mit-mc.arpa cc: INFO-CPM@brl.arpa In-reply-to: Msg of 6 Apr 1983 03:33 EST from Charles L. Jackson Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA via smtp; 6 Apr 83 18:54 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 6 Apr 83 18:56 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 6 Apr 83 19:07 EST Thanks much for the report on the Enercomp plotting software. I have seen ads for it recently as well as a number of other packages of similar purpose and am interested in purchasing one. A nice feature (though not a must) would be an optional Microangelo driver as we have several of them here. If anyone could comment on any other packages of this ilk, I would appreciate it. Charlie 6-Apr-83 19:59:00,2478;000000000000 Date: 6 April 1983 19:59 EST From: Keith Petersen Subject: Retry... To: HUNEYCUTT@gunter-adam.arpa cc: Info-Cpm@brl.arpa In-reply-to: Msg of 5 Apr 1983 0704-CST from Doug Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA via smtp; 6 Apr 83 19:58 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 6 Apr 83 20:53 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 6 Apr 83 21:06 EST Thanks for the report on TOPS-20 and MODEM7xx, Doug. This problem has been addressed, and MDM706 (due out in a few days) will have code to allow the user to set the program to accept only ACK and NAK and ignore everything else when it is sending. This will not only fix the TOPS-20 (and other mainframes) problem, but should also help those who have had problems with BBN's short-sighted use of a 64-character buffer in TAC's. We're hoping they may expand that someday, but in the meantime when the TAC's buffer gets full, it sends out an 87h (bell with high-order bit turned on), which causes MODEM7xx to resend the sector (thinking it was a "not ACK"). XMODEM74 is also due out in a few days and will have the same option. I've been testing it on my system and even on micro-to-micro transfers it does offer improved operation. Consider this possibility: you, the "sender" have just sent a 128-byte sector and are now waiting for the ACK from the receiving end. Suppose there is some noise on the line during the time you are waiting for the ACK. If you take "not ACK" as same as NAK (the way the old program does), you immediately start re-sending the sector. Assuming that the receiving end had sent you an ACK, this is an extra repeat of a sector he already got (which he will of course ignore since he already has it). The penalty is the time it takes to send that sector. Suppose the same thing happens at the end of that sector. If you have a noisy line, it's possible to resend that same sector MANY times, even though the receiving end has it already and doesn't want it again! In my opinion, all versions of Ward Christensen's MODEM2 program (which includes the various MODEM7xx and XMODEM programs) should be made to require ACK or NAK after sending a sector and everything else received while waiting for this should be ignored. Hopefully the mainframe versions of MODEM will be changed to this new approach and it may make life a lot easier for us all. It's been VERY sucessful on my RCPM's XMODEM. --Keith 6-Apr-83 20:13:25,735;000000000000 Date: 6-Apr-83 22:13:25-EST From: jalbers@bnl.arpa Subject: a pleased user To: W8SDZ@mit-mc.arpa Cc: Info-CPM@brl.arpa Received: From Bnl.ARPA via smtp; 12 Apr 83 10:56 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 12 Apr 83 10:57 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 13 Apr 83 0:18 EST Keith, I just got MDM705OS.* and WOW! What a package!! The last Modem7 program I used was MODEM704 [MODEM, not MDM], and what an upgrade it is! I got it because my favorite package [OTERM4xx.*] does not do batch transfers, but now that I have used MDM705, I may not use oterm so much... jalbers@bnl [p.s. I still havn't been able to do batch transfers, the RCP/Ms in the area don't have the new XMODEM [XMODEM13??]] 6-Apr-83 21:28:00,2259;000000000000 Date: 6 Apr 1983 2028-PST Subject: [Tom Carnahan : OPINIONS on EPSON QX10?] From: Tom Carnahan To: INFO-CPM@mit-mc.arpa POSTAL-ADDRESS: Tom Carnahan, SMC 1819, NPS, MONTEREY,CA 93940 Phone: (Home) 408-372-7480 (NPS office) 408-646-2174 AV 878-2174 Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA via smtp; 6 Apr 83 23:32 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 6 Apr 83 23:38 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 6 Apr 83 23:43 EST I had a problem getting this to INFO-MICRO@BRL and saw people evaluating personal computers on this mailing list...so, I'll give it a try: --------------- Return-path: Mail-From: SMTP created at 22-Mar-83 01:47:27 Received: FROM BRL BY USC-ISIE.ARPA WITH TCP ; 22 Mar 83 01:47:30 PST Date: 21 Mar 1983 1218-PST Subject: OPINIONS on EPSON QX10? From: Tom Carnahan To: info-micro@brl.arpa cc: tcaRNAHAN@usc-isie.arpa POSTAL-ADDRESS: Tom Carnahan, SMC 1819, NPS, MONTEREY,CA 93940 Phone: (Home) 408-372-7480 (NPS office) 408-646-2174 AV 878-2174 Received: From Usc-Isie.ARPA via smtptcp; 21 Mar 83 15:21 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtptcp; 21 Mar 83 15:31 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtptcp; 21 Mar 83 15:40 EST I haven't been following this mailing list that closely. Has anyone expressed an opinion of the QX-10? Does any one own one? I would like to get some answers to the following: 1. PRICE? 2. ADVANTAGES AND DISADVANTAGES (IE. PROBLEMS) 3. HOW GOOD IS THEIR SERVICE? 4. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO DELIVER ONE? 5. HOW GOOD (OR BAD) IS EPSON'S DOCUMENTATION? 6. WHAT DISK FORMAT DO THEY USE? WHAT DISK DRIVES? 7. OPTIONS AND THEIR PRICES? 8. HOW MUCH SOFTWARE IS AVAILABLE FOR IT? 9. DISPLAY: IS IT FLICKER FREE? HOW GOOD ARE THE GRAPHICS? CAN THE FONTS BE PROGRAMMED BY THE USER? 10. OPTION SLOTS: ARE THEY S100? 11. WHAT IS YOUR OPINION OF THE "CLOCK/CALENDAR" ? CAN YOU SET IT TO TRANSMIT MAIL LATE AT NIGHT VIA MODEM? IS IS DIFFICULT OR EXPENSIVE TO GET THAT CAPABILITY? Any info you can provide will be greatly appreciated. Thanks ahead of time, Tom ------- ------- ------- 6-Apr-83 23:35:00,507;000000000000 Date: 6 April 1983 23:35 EST From: Eliot Scott Ramey Subject: Documentation Standards To: CCVAX.revc@nosc-cc.arpa cc: INFO-CPM@mit-mc.arpa Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA via smtp; 6 Apr 83 23:33 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 6 Apr 83 23:38 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 6 Apr 83 23:43 EST You might want to look for a file called HOW2HACK.DOC, this file contains a number of good ideas for documenting and programming documenting. -Eliot at Mit-MC 7-Apr-83 05:01:00,4820;000000000000 Date: 7 April 1983 05:01 EST From: Keith Petersen Subject: Hard disk floppy interface To: Info-Cpm@brl.arpa Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA via smtp; 7 Apr 83 4:59 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 7 Apr 83 10:41 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 7 Apr 83 11:17 EST AS-100 Virtual Floppy Disk Controller for 5.25 inch Winchesters April, 1983 The AS-100 is the only Winchester disk controller that connect directly to your existing floppy disk controller. The AS-100 interfaces to the host as one or two floppy disk drives. * The host interface is totally compatible with the Shugart Associates SA850 and SA450 floppy disk drive interfaces, permitting simple connection to virtually any floppy-based computer system. * An on-board microcomputer permits buffered seek. Step rates of up to 2500 steps per second are supported. * Automatic read-after-write check by the AS-100 ensures data reliability. * The AS-100 dissipates only 5 watts for cool operation and low power supply drain. * The floppy track format is soft-sectored and can be formatted in any convenient single or double density format. All the un-formatted track capacity of the Winchester is available to the user. CONFIGURATION The AS-100 controller supports a single Winchester drive with two, four or eight heads. The host interface can be configured as one or two floppy disks, single or double sided. Configuration is by jumper plugs and can be changed at any time for any drive/host combination. The host interface can be configured as either eight inch floppy or minifloppy. If the eight inch configuration is selected, the interface is exactly as defined by Shugart Associates as the SA850. If the minifloppy interface is selected, the floppy data rate is divided by two, however, the full track capacity of the Winchester is still available (10,400 bytes). There is no limitation within the AS-100 as to how many tracks there may be, therefore, Winchesters of any capacity may be supported. One popular configuration, using the Seagate Technology ST-506 yields two double-sided floppies, each with nine 1024 byte sectors per track and 153 cylinders for a total capacity of 5.5 megabytes, formatted. HOST INTERFACE 50 pin connector (SA850) 34 pin connector (SA450) 10 TWO-SIDED 6 DS4 14 SIDE SELECT 8 INDEX 20 INDEX 10 DS1 22 READY 12 DS2 26 DS1 14 DS3 28 DS2 18 DIRECTION 30 DS3 20 STEP 32 DS4 22 WRITE DATA* 34 DIRECTION 24 WRITE GATE 36 STEP 26 TRACK ZERO 38 WRITE DATA* 30 READ DATA 40 WRITE GATE 32 SIDE SELECT 42 TRACK ZERO 46 READ DATA *NOTE: The AS-100 does not accommodate write data pre- compensation. Write Data must be presented on-time. A minor modification to your floppy controller may be necessary. COMPATIBILITY The AS-100 is compatible with the Seagate Technology family of Winchester disk drives and with others which support the Seagate interface. Among these are: Tandon TM-600 RMS RMS-500 IMI And many others. SPECIFICATIONS Electrical: +5 volts @ 1.0 amps +12 volts @ 0.1 amps Physical: Length: 11.0 inches Width: 5.75 inches Height: 0.5 inches Weight: 0.6 pounds SOFTWARE CONSIDERATIONS The AS-100 has little software impact on most floppy-based computer systems. The operating system must be told, however, that 'these floppies are bigger' than the others. Using the CP/M operating system, this is relatively simple. You merely change and dedicate an existing disk parameter block to the Winchester or create a unique table for the Winchester. For example, the table below will define a single 5.5 megabyte Winchester: DPB0: DW 144 ;SEC PER TRACK DB 6 ;BLOCK SHIFT DB 63 ;BLOCK MASK DB 3 ;EXTNT MASK DW 685 ;DISK SIZE-1 DW 511 ;DIRECTORY MAX DB 192 ;ALLOC0 DB 0 ;ALLOC1 DW 0 ;CHECK SIZE DW 2 ;OFFSET ALV0: DS 86 CSV0: DS 0 For more information contact: ALPHA SYSTEMS CORPORATION 711 Chatsworth Place San Jose, California 95128 (408) 297-5583 7-Apr-83 10:17:00,857;000000000000 Date: 7 April 1983 10:17 cst From: Ronald W. Subject: ^P from software To: info-cpm@brl.arpa Received: From Hi-Multics.ARPA via smtp; 7 Apr 83 11:21 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 7 Apr 83 11:39 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 7 Apr 83 16:46 EST I seem to remember seeing something a couple of months ago which described how to (from a running program) do what the CTRL-P does. I.e. to cause everything sent to the console to go to the list device as well. I know about exchanging the BIOS pointers to make a Basic PRINT statement go to the printer, but that isn't quite what I need. Anyone who knows how to start and stop the CTRL-P toggle within software, please drop me a line. Sorry I wasn't paying better attention before. Didn't need it 'till now. Thanks much. Ron H. 7-Apr-83 18:18:00,846;000000000000 Date: 7 Apr 1983 1718-PST From: FCDSSASD@usc-eclb.arpa Subject: Re: PLOTING Software To: info-cpm@brl.arpa Received: From Usc-Eclb.ARPA via smtp; 7 Apr 83 20:19 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 7 Apr 83 20:26 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 7 Apr 83 20:31 EST I am very interested in graphics software for the Epson MX-80 printer. I really appreciate the evaluation of the Enercomp graphics software from Charles L. Jackson . I would like to find out more about this package (i.e.: price, Enercomp address and/or phone number, and distributors). If anyone has this information on the Enercomp software or any other graphic software for the Epson MX-80 printer, please let me know or send it to this net. Thanks, LT Jim Harmon FCDSSA San Diego CA ------- 7-Apr-83 18:18:00,846;000000000000 Date: 7 Apr 1983 1718-PST From: FCDSSASD@usc-eclb.arpa Subject: Re: PLOTING Software To: info-cpm@brl.arpa Received: From Usc-Eclb.ARPA via smtp; 7 Apr 83 20:19 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 7 Apr 83 20:26 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 7 Apr 83 20:31 EST I am very interested in graphics software for the Epson MX-80 printer. I really appreciate the evaluation of the Enercomp graphics software from Charles L. Jackson . I would like to find out more about this package (i.e.: price, Enercomp address and/or phone number, and distributors). If anyone has this information on the Enercomp software or any other graphic software for the Epson MX-80 printer, please let me know or send it to this net. Thanks, LT Jim Harmon FCDSSA San Diego CA ------- 7-Apr-83 19:43:00,670;000000000000 Date: 7 April 1983 19:43 EST From: Keith Petersen Subject: Atari MODEM program update To: BILLW@sri-kl.arpa cc: INFO-ATARI@mit-mc.arpa, Info-Cpm@brl.arpa In-reply-to: Msg of 7 Apr 1983 1100-PST from BILLW at SRI-KL Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA via smtp; 7 Apr 83 20:04 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 7 Apr 83 20:14 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 7 Apr 83 20:20 EST Bill, the Atari MODEM program has been updated. You might want to FTP AMODEM 42BAS and AMODEM 42DOC from the Atari ARchive at MC for your collection. To review: this is the Atari Basic program that talks Ward Christensen's MODEM protocol. --Keith 7-Apr-83 19:43:00,670;000000000000 Date: 7 April 1983 19:43 EST From: Keith Petersen Subject: Atari MODEM program update To: BILLW@sri-kl.arpa cc: INFO-ATARI@mit-mc.arpa, Info-Cpm@brl.arpa In-reply-to: Msg of 7 Apr 1983 1100-PST from BILLW at SRI-KL Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA via smtp; 7 Apr 83 20:04 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 7 Apr 83 20:14 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 7 Apr 83 20:20 EST Bill, the Atari MODEM program has been updated. You might want to FTP AMODEM 42BAS and AMODEM 42DOC from the Atari ARchive at MC for your collection. To review: this is the Atari Basic program that talks Ward Christensen's MODEM protocol. --Keith 7-Apr-83 20:16:00,855;000000000000 Date: 7 April 1983 20:16 EST From: Keith Petersen Subject: ^P from software To: Heiby@hi-multics.arpa cc: Info-Cpm@brl.arpa In-reply-to: Msg of 7 Apr 1983 10:17 cst from Ronald W. Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA via smtp; 7 Apr 83 20:22 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 7 Apr 83 20:26 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 7 Apr 83 20:32 EST One nice way of doing this is to implement IOBYTE. You can then PEEK and POKE at address 3 (the IOBYTE) to turn the printer/console on-off at will. This is much better than POKEing into the operating system. There have been some articles on the subject. One that I recall was "Implementing the CP/M IOBYTE" in Microsystems magazine. I don't recall what the issue was, but maybe SLIBES at MC can help with that information.. 8-Apr-83 11:56:00,2320;000000000000 Date: 8 Apr 83 11:56 PST (Friday) From: MMOON.ES@parc-maxc.arpa Subject: MODEM7XX To: info-cpm@brl.arpa cc: Homecomputing^.pa@parc-maxc.arpa, ES820ug^.es@parc-maxc.arpa, XeroxInfo-CPM^.wbst@parc-maxc.arpa, MMOON.ES@parc-maxc.arpa Reply-To: MMOON.ES@parc-maxc.arpa Received: From Parc-Maxc.ARPA via smtp; 8 Apr 83 15:00 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 8 Apr 83 15:19 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 8 Apr 83 17:20 EST I have acquired a D. C. Hayes 80-103 S-100 plug-in modem board. The hardware seems to work fine, but the software leaves a lot to be desired. In order to rtemedy the situation,I managed to obtain a copy of CP/MUG's public domain distribution vol. 79, which contains MODEM741.ASM, MODEM7.DOC, &MODEM7.LIB, & MODEM7.SET. The doc files mention nothing about equates and/or modifications to MODEM741 for this board. Now, being a reasonably competent hacker, I can puzzle out the various and assorted status bits, command bytes, etc., but beyond that things get real sticky. My questions are: 1) The MODEM741.ASM file is set up *only* for the PMMI modem, as delivered. I have never seen this animal, & some differences stand out as obious, i.e., the PMMI board has an extra modem control port, MODCTRLP2, I believe. This is easy enough to remove, but if I do, how do I know where to redistribute the functions of this port over to the D. C. Hayes' single control port without reading the entire 60 odd pages of code in the source file for references. That is an imposing task for anyone coming into this cold. 2) If I can avoid the above by finding somone who has already set up MODEM7XX to work with this board, I would really appreciate a pointer or an upload that is accessable tome here at work (XEROX, El Segundo, Ca.). Anybody out there got the right stuff? 3) If I get the equates for an earlier version of MODEM7XX, will they be all that is needed for MODEM705/6? To anyone not in possesstion of the 80-103 board, this one predates the Micromodem 100, Its base address is selectable, & it generates its own clock. The ports are BASE (modem data transfer port), BASE+1 (modem status port, i. e., TBE, OE, etc.) & modem control (baudrate, character length, no. of stop bits, & parity. Thanx in advance. --MOON 8-Apr-83 11:56:52,1159;000000000000 Date: 8 Apr 1983 13:56:52-EST From: goldfarb.ucf-cs@rand-relay.arpa Return-Path: Subject: Godbout reprise To: info-cpm@brl.arpa, info-micro@brl.arpa Cc: byte@mit-mc.arpa, cstrom@mit-mc.arpa, mknox@utexas-11.arpa, pourne@mit-mc.arpa Via: UCF-CS; 9 Apr 83 5:20-PDT Received: From Rand-Relay.ARPA via smtp; 9 Apr 83 12:29 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 9 Apr 83 12:39 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 9 Apr 83 12:47 EST I had a very fruitful conversation with Mike Gifford of Gifford Computer Systems (nee G & G Engineering) today. All of my CPU-68K and CP/M-68K problems will soon be resolved. For anyone wanting to purchase Godbout equipment and be properly supported (both hardware and software), I highly recommend going to Gifford Engineering. Dealing with Byte Industries, Priority One, and CompuPro is a waste of time. Thanks to all who suggested talkinng with Mike, who can be contacted at: Gifford Computer Systems 1922 Republic Avenue San Leandro, CA 94577 (415) 895-0798 ------ Ben Goldfarb uucp: duke!ucf-cs!goldfarb ARPA: goldfarb.ucf-cs@Rand-Relay 8-Apr-83 14:49:41,1031;000000000000 Date: 8 Apr 1983 13:49:41-PST From: Bob Van Cleef Reply-to: CCVAX.revc@nosc-cc.arpa To: info-cpm@mit-mc.arpa Subject: Re: Documentation Standards Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA via smtp; 8 Apr 83 16:50 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 8 Apr 83 16:59 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 8 Apr 83 17:22 EST I did not mean to imply that I thought all DOC files should be in WordStar format. In fact, my biggest complaint is pulling in files that have been printed by WordStar with right-hand margin justification turned on. I like to reformat document files to fit the screen of my Osborne. However, if they have been right justified, it is a major job to eliminate all of those extra spaces. That is my first complaint. I find it interesting that of all the files that I have pulled in named xxxxxxx.ws, not one has contained soft spaces and cr's. The one about preferring ^L over 8 blank lines comes from trying to 'pr' documents on a UNIX system. Bob 8-Apr-83 17:30:00,837;000000000000 Date: Fri, 8 Apr 1983 17:30 EST From: SJOBRG.ANDY%MIT-OZ@mit-mc.arpa To: ADDRESS PROBLEM (BRL-BMD): ("");"), (ADDRESS PROBLEM at host BRL: "@brl-bmd.arpa, ADDRESS PROBLEM (BRL-BMD): (", Ronald W. ");, ADDRESS PROBLEM (BRL-BMD): ("");, ADDRESS PROBLEM (BRL-BMD): ("");, (:Include:):d,d <@BRL.ARPA Cc: info-cpm@brl.arpa Subject: ^P from software In-reply-to: Msg of 7 Apr 1983 10:17 cst from Ronald W. Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA via smtp; 8 Apr 83 17:31 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 8 Apr 83 17:48 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 8 Apr 83 17:55 EST If people are still interested come Monday, I have the location in the BDOS for CP/M 2.2 to change written down at home. 8-Apr-83 17:40:18,936;000000000000 Date: 8 Apr 83 17:40:18 EST (Fri) From: George Keller (IBD) To: info-cpm@brl.arpa Subject: multi-user cp/m Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 8 Apr 83 17:48 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 8 Apr 83 17:56 EST An organization with which I am associated needs a computer. It should service 2-5 terminals. The main box should house a hard disk of at least 10Mbytes. In order, the preferred operating systems are MP/M-80, MP/M-86, and Unix; these are a group of users, not a group of hackers. If your group's computer is described above, I'd like to hear from you. I suspect that many who read this message will have advised some group on a computer purchase, and then, perhaps, have checked to see how well the system is working. Please don't reply about machines available tomorrow; up and working and tested counts much more for this application. Thanks. George 8-Apr-83 19:00:10,2077;000000000000 Date: Fri, 8 Apr 83 19:00:10 CST From: Dave Johnson Return-Path: Subject: Re: vax vms &unix To: Frank Brown Cc: Info-CPM@brl.arpa In-Reply-To: Frank Brown's message of Wed, 6 Apr 83 9:22:22 CST Via: rice; 8 Apr 83 19:52-CDT Via: Rice; 9 Apr 83 0:27-PDT Received: From Rand-Relay.ARPA via smtp; 9 Apr 83 12:30 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 9 Apr 83 12:39 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 9 Apr 83 12:48 EST Hi! Your message about running Unix and VMS concurrently was forwarded to me from someone here who reads Info-CPM. I think that I can answer most of the questions you raised in that message. First of all, you are correct that it is not possible run both VMS and Unix at the same time on the same machine. However, I, along with a few other people here at Rice University, am writing a Unix simulation called Phoenix to run under VAX/VMS that allows nearly any Unix program to run unmodified under VMS. Phoenix provides complete Unix compatibility down to the object code level with only minor exceptions not yet completely implemented. Programs currently running here include the "Bourne" shell, the C shell (with almost full job control), Gosling's Emacs, vi, uucp, Franz lisp, (name your favorite large Unix program here probably...). The system is not quite complete, but should be ready for distribution in a month or two. It will be available for only a modest distribution charge to all sites with a Bell Unix license. I'm not on Info-CPM, so for more information, mail directly to me, or (preferably) to: Phoenix-request@rice CSNet Phoenix-request.rice@Rand-Relay Apra ...lbl-csam!rice!phoenix-request uucp Dave Johnson Dept. of Math Science Rice University Houston, TX 8-Apr-83 22:10:00,2606;000000000000 Date: 8 April 1983 2110-PST (Friday) From: Richard Fitzgerald Subject: ACCESS Computer To: info-cpm@brl.arpa Received: From Aerospace.ARPA via smtp; 9 Apr 83 0:12 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 9 Apr 83 0:26 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 9 Apr 83 0:33 EST In the April issue of MICROSYSTEMS, under NEW PRODUCTS, you find the following: Access Price - $2495 The built in printer delivers high quality printing at 80 cps. Up to 132 chars can be printed per line on 8.5" paper. In addition to the 96 char ascii set, graphics are available. A program INCLUDED in the software package allows various type styles to be used. The internal modem is a standard bell 103 type compatible. It has a direct line modular jack as well as an acoustical coupler (take your pick) It has four operating modes: manual originate, manual answer, auto dial, and directory support. The 7" amber screen is a full 80x25 line (the 25th being status of course) Data and time display are available on the 25th line. The screen has user selectable attributes: inverse, blink blank, underline, double underline, half intensity and normal intensity. The system has one parallel port which is centronics compatible OR bidirectional. One fully implemented IEEE 488 port, and 2(two) rs232 ports with software selectable speeds up to 9600 baud. Two 5.25" Single sided-double density disks provide for 184K per drive. An OPTION of Double sided-DD disks is offered for a total of 736Kbytes. The controller will also support 8" drives in addition to the 5.25". The software packages consists of the following: a. CP/M 2.2 b. Perfect Writer c. " Speller d. " Filer e. " Calc f. Fancy Font (by SoftCraft) provides fancy fonts (clever name) g. Mbasic h. CB-80 i. Communications package (un-named) This dounds like a fair deal to me, although I am now the proud owner of a bouncing baby Heath H100 full color system (WITH microangelo boards!) so I don't think it is for me, but others might like it. The company address for those who wish is: Access Matrix Copr. 2159 Bearing Drive San Jose, ca 95131 Phone - (408) 263-3660 Enjoy... (p.s. All those with microangelo boards on ANY system, if you have any tips for new users of such devices, I would appreciate hearing them. I have only been able to do minimal things with it so far, and would love to hear more frlmo those who know. Thanks...) Rich Fitzgerald (jazzy@aerospace) 9-Apr-83 14:21:00,651;000000000000 Date: 9 Apr 1983 1321-PST Sender: SYS-ADM@office-10.arpa Subject: Re: Why not fix your mail-reader instead? From: SYS-ADM@office-10.arpa To: sun!gnu@ucb-vax.arpa Cc: info-cpm@brl.arpa, info-micro@brl.arpa Message-ID: <[OFFICE-10] 9-Apr-83 13:21:48.SYS-ADM> In-Reply-To: <8304061208.AA02938@sun.uucp> Received: From Office-10.ARPA via smtp; 9 Apr 83 16:25 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 9 Apr 83 16:27 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 9 Apr 83 16:38 EST I wouldn't talk about capabilities of others when obviously yours are limited to sending insulting messages to people you do not even know. Get back in your hole. 9-Apr-83 15:48:01,636;000000000000 Date: 9 Apr 83 15:48:01 EST (Sat) From: Rick Conn To: Fbrown.Micom@udel-relay.arpa cc: info-cpm@brl.arpa Subject: Re: vax vms &unix Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 9 Apr 83 15:53 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 9 Apr 83 15:54 EST Frank, I, too, thought VMS and UNIX could not run on a VAX at the same time. We DO have a system at work, however, called EUNICE. It is a UNIX 7 look-alike (minor differences, tho) which runs under VMS. It tends to run slowly (my only complaint), but it does have a UNIX C compiler, and it gives you a UNIX interface (shell). Rick 9-Apr-83 17:05:00,4957;000000000000 Date: 9 April 1983 17:05 EST From: Keith Petersen Subject: MDM706 now available To: Info-Cpm@brl.arpa Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA via smtp; 9 Apr 83 17:02 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 9 Apr 83 17:14 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 9 Apr 83 17:24 EST The lastest version of MODEM7 is now available on MIT-MC. Here's a list of files, followed by a general discussion. AR61:CPM; MDM706 APASM -- Apple II overlay MDM706 ASM -- Source code for MDM706 (very large and NOT needed. Use COM file and overlay for your modem's I/O). MDM706 COM -- MDM706.COM ready for PMMI modem or customization by your overlay. MDM706 DOC -- How to use MDM706, with examples and discussion. MDM706 DPASM -- Datapoint 1560 overlay. MDM706 GPASM -- General purpose overlay for use if no specific overlay is available for your modem's I/O. MDM706 H8ASM -- Heath/Zenith H89/Z89 overlay. MDM706 HZASM -- Heath/Zenith H100/Z100 overlay. MDM706 INF -- Information on MDM706 files, etc. MDM706 KPASM -- Kaypro II overlay. MDM706 NMASM -- Phone number overlay for adding your own list of numbers. MDM706 OSASM -- Osborne overlay.... MDM706 PMASM -- PMMI overlay (in case you want to change some of the default parameters). MDM706 SET -- Information for users who wish to use DDT to set up the customization area. MDM706 XEASM -- Xerox 820 overlay. .....and last, but not least: AR13:CPM; MDM706 HEX -- For those who cannot FTP ITS-style COM files. ------------ TOPIC : MDM706 MODEM PROGRAM INSTALLATION INFORMATION FROM : IRVIN M. HOFF DATE : 04/04/83 This program is based on one originally written by Ward Christ- ensen in Sept. 1977. It has since undergone a considerable number of changes. Two of the latest were (1) printer control while in the "T" (Terminal) mode and (2) combining the macro library into the program to eliminate extra files -- also allowing assembly with ASM as well as MAC or other popular assemblers. NOTE: Special configuration files are being added for specific types of computers. Several are available as shown below. Others will be provided for popular computers using external modems. This file will be updated accordingly. To adapt this version to your equipment, you will want to get some of the following programs: Program name Squeezed Name Purpose MDM706.ASM MDM706.AQM (source code file) MDM706.COM MDM706.OBJ (object code file) MDM706.DOC MDM706.DQC (how-to-use file) MDM706.INF MDM706.IQF (information file) MDM706..SET MDM706.SQT (how to set file) MDM706AP.ASM MDM706AP.AQM (Apple II overlay file) MDM706DP.ASM MDM706DP.AQM (Datapoint 1560 overlay) MDM706GP.ASM MDM706GP.AQM (General purpose overlay) MDM706H8.ASM MDM706H8.AQM (Heath/Zenith H89 file) MDM706HZ.ASM MDM706HZ.AQM (Heath/Zenith Z-100 file) MDM706KP.ASM MDM706KP.AQM (KayPro overlay file) MDM706NM.ASM MDM706NM.AQM (Phone number overlay) MDM706OS.ASM MDM706OS.AQM (Osborne overlay file) MDM706XE.ASM MDM706XE.AQM (Xerox 820 overlay file) (The minimum would be any pair in one of the examples shown below.) There are numerous ways by which you can set the proper ports, status pin values, etc. for your equipment. 1) Use DDT, SID or DUU with: MDM706.COM and MDM706.SET or 2) Use your editor, ASM (or MAC) MDM706.COM and and DDT (or SID) with: MDM706xx.ASM (706xx stands for an appropriate overlay) or 3) Use your editor, ASM (or MAC) MDM706.ASM One of those should appeal to you. The program is designed to work immediately for PMMI users with no changes - just use MDM706.COM. (You might wish to change some of the available options, however.) When ready to use the program, type 'H' (for 'HELP'), hit RET and it will display helpful information on the commands. There are so many commands there are several pages. You can abort the display with a CTL-C. (One of the most useful features being CTL-P to toggle your printer on/off.) You can also type a question mark (?) which shows the current parameters. The program has received numerous worthwhile optional features in the past several months. --end-- 9-Apr-83 17:23:00,630;000000000000 Date: 9 April 1983 17:23 EST From: Keith Petersen Subject: CPM DIRLST updated To: Info-Cpm@brl.arpa Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA via smtp; 9 Apr 83 17:28 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 9 Apr 83 17:37 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 9 Apr 83 17:46 EST MC:CPM;CPM DIRLST has been updated as of today. If you cannot FTP this file, send a note to Info-Cpm-Request@Brl and you'll be added to a list to receive copies of the file when it's updated. Review: CPM DIRLST is a complete list of all the CP/M public- domain software available in the CPM; directory at MIT-MC. --Keith 10-Apr-83 05:37:00,968;000000000000 Date: 10 April 1983 05:37 EST From: Frank J. Wancho Subject: TurboDOS Hackers Wanted To: INFO-CPM@brl.arpa Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA via smtp; 10 Apr 83 5:39 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 10 Apr 83 5:48 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 10 Apr 83 5:59 EST I'd like to start yet another list, of TurboDOS hackers this time. And it will be a working group, rather than just a bulletin board information-passing list. In other words, it will (hopefully) be discussions of TurboDOS internals and exchange of public domain drivers and hacks which are not of general interest to others. So, send your requests to be added to the as-yet-non-existent TurboDOS-Hackers list to me, and I'll see if there's enough of us out there to warrant a list. I'll post the notice of the creation or deferment of the list late next week to give all the autodialer relays a chance to pass this message along... Thanks, Frank 10-Apr-83 06:37:00,1170;000000000000 Date: 10 April 1983 06:37 EST From: Keith Petersen Subject: ZCPR2 versus CP/M plus To: Info-Cpm@brl.arpa Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA via smtp; 10 Apr 83 6:35 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 10 Apr 83 6:36 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 10 Apr 83 6:44 EST This was found on CompuServe's CP-MIG. Interesting... --forwarded message-- #: 39874 Sec. 1 - Members Sb: CPM Plus 08-Apr-83 22:03:53 Fm: Jim Kunzman 70270,400 To: SYSOP CHARLIE STROM Charlie, Just thought you might be interested, but our club librarian just got an interesting package from the folks at DR and they said that for users without bank select ZCPR2 was a much better way to go than CPM+. We had assumed as much but were pleasantly surprised to hear it from the horse's mouth. They also included a very nice package of literature with info about most of the various user groups and of course other DR products. You might pass on to Richard Conn the praise that he is getting from DR. Do you suppose that they are trying to recruit him???? Heaven forbid - we need him too much! -Jim 10-Apr-83 22:23:00,357;000000000000 Date: 10 April 1983 22:23 EST From: Glenn S. Meader To: INFO-CPM@mit-ai.arpa Received: From Mit-Ai.ARPA via smtp; 10 Apr 83 22:22 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 10 Apr 83 22:31 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 10 Apr 83 22:42 EST WANTED: BDS-C FUNCTION (or Assembly routine) to open a CP/M file for APPEND. 12-Apr-83 03:39:00,911;000000000000 Date: 12 April 1983 03:39 EST From: Jerry E. Pournelle Subject: Documentation Standards To: CCVAX.revc@nosc-cc.arpa cc: INFO-CPM@mit-mc.arpa In-reply-to: Msg of 8 Apr 1983 13:49:41-PST from Bob Van Cleef Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA via smtp; 12 Apr 83 3:38 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 12 Apr 83 5:42 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 12 Apr 83 5:57 EST It's easy to write an assembly language program that will filter Wordstar format stuff to standard. Test for 8th bit set; if so, unset it, and add one space, ignoring everything that's a space until you get to the next non-space; to be more sophisticated, test to see if the word ended in a . or a ? and add two spaces if so. It took me about an hour to write one of those. Uset the program in the MAC document as a model to show how to open and close files. JEP 12-Apr-83 03:53:00,518;000000000000 Date: 12 April 1983 03:53 EST From: Jerry E. Pournelle Subject: [Tom Carnahan : OPINIONS on EPSON QX10?] To: TCARNAHAN@usc-isie.arpa cc: INFO-CPM@mit-mc.arpa In-reply-to: Msg of 6 Apr 1983 2028-PST from Tom Carnahan Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA via smtp; 12 Apr 83 3:52 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 12 Apr 83 5:42 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 12 Apr 83 5:58 EST you cannot yet get a qx-10. Real Soon Now.. 12-Apr-83 04:13:00,519;000000000000 Date: 12 April 1983 04:13 EST From: Jerry E. Pournelle Subject: Disk Emulator Software To: MCCRARY@usc-isie.arpa cc: INFO-CPM@mit-mc.arpa In-reply-to: Msg of 1 Apr 1983 1428-PST from FRANK A. Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA via smtp; 12 Apr 83 4:11 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 12 Apr 83 5:42 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 12 Apr 83 5:59 EST Workman has such a program. I dunno what he sells it for, but he mentioned it to me yesterday.. 12-Apr-83 05:49:00,1481;000000000000 Date: 12 April 1983 05:49 EST From: Keith Petersen Subject: Bug fix for MDM706 quiet mode To: INFO-CPM@brl.arpa Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA via smtp; 12 Apr 83 5:48 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 12 Apr 83 5:55 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 12 Apr 83 6:10 EST TOPIC : FIX FOR MDM706 (.ASM AND/OR .COM FILES) FROM : IRV HOFF W6FFC DATE : 11 APR 83 If using the "SBQ" (Send Batch in Quiet mode), it often causes a problem. Change the following byte on the MDM706.COM file via DDT: 0BCC 4C to 5B B>DDT MDM706.COM DDT VERS 2.2 4200 0100 -S0BCC 0BCC 4C 5B (add the 5B beside the 4C, hit return) 0BCD 1D . (add the period to return to DDT prompt) -G0 (G0 to go back to CP/M prompt B>SAVE 65 MDM706.COM (program is now fixed) That puts the "Awaiting name NAK" into the quiet mode and clears up the problem if using the program in that unusual manner. If using the .ASM file, make this change: SENDFN: CALL ILPRT change to: SENDFN: CALL ILPRTQ We have a MDM707 file ready for distribution that incorporates this change. It also adds an automatic timeout in the receive mode after 3 minutes of inactivity. Up to now we intentionally have had no timeout at all. That has inadvertently caused some problems. This will help prevent permanent lockout until the operator reboots. - Irv 12-Apr-83 08:40:00,1192;000000000000 Date: 12 Apr 1983 0740-PST Subject: Re: [Tom Carnahan : OPINIONS on EPSON QX10?] From: Tom Carnahan To: Jerry E. Pournelle , TCARNAHAN@usc-isie.arpa cc: INFO-CPM@mit-mc.arpa POSTAL-ADDRESS: Tom Carnahan, SMC 1819, NPS, MONTEREY,CA 93940 Phone: (Home) 408-372-7480 (NPS office) 408-646-2174 AV 878-2174 In-Reply-To: Your message of 12 April 1983 03:53 EST Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA via smtp; 12 Apr 83 10:42 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 12 Apr 83 10:45 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 13 Apr 83 0:16 EST Jerry, Thanks for your reply. Epson sure does advertise, don't they? By the way, what do you think of the QX-10? I'm looking for a computer, under $3000 , with CP/M, at least 64K RAM, minimum of 2 disk drives with max storage, (desireable to have bit-mapped graphics...but not reqd), good video attributes (ie. inverse , high-light, blink), detachable keyboard with programmable function keys, a *big* screen (at least 12"), and good software included (minimum of Wordstar or equiv, z80 or 8080 assembler, Basic of some flavor, a debugger such as DDT). ------- 12-Apr-83 08:55:00,998;000000000000 Date: 12 Apr 83 08:55 PST (Tuesday) From: RROTH.ES@parc-maxc.arpa Subject: Re: MDM706 now available In-reply-to: W8SDZ@mit-mc.arpa's message of 9 Apr 83 17:05 EST To: W8SDZ@mit-mc.arpa cc: Info-Cpm@brl.arpa Received: From Parc-Maxc.ARPA via smtp; 12 Apr 83 11:52 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 12 Apr 83 12:02 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 13 Apr 83 0:21 EST Keith, I obtained MDM706 AQM from the Oxgate system in northern Calif. and made some changes to it so that I could customize it for my Xerox 820-II. When I assembled it using MAC I got two undefined variables. The first one was MVI A,RUB. RUB was not defined so I defined it and all was well. The second error was: SCKSER: MVI A,BDNMCH My question is, "Do you know what BDNMCH is suppose to be equated to?". I know it refers to telling the RECEIVER that a bad name was sent, but that is all I know. Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks in advance! ! ! ! Bob Roth 12-Apr-83 09:18:35,704;000000000000 Date: 12 Apr 1983 11:18:35-EST From: reece@nadc.arpa To: info-cpm@mit-mc.arpa Subject: modem7 Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA via smtp; 12 Apr 83 11:26 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 12 Apr 83 11:30 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 13 Apr 83 0:19 EST Can someone tell me whether the modem7 program does anything smart when in the CONTROL-Y mode (buffering incoming characters in memory) when the memory gets full? Some programs send an X-OFF while they write to disk. I suspect that nothing useful happens. Would this be a useful mod? Sometimes I must download long (>64K) files from remote mainframes which do not have "modem" capability, but who use X-ON/X-OFF. Jim Reece 12-Apr-83 11:38:53,1225;000000000000 Date: Tue 12 Apr 83 10:38:53-PST From: Steve Vestal Subject: Suggestions on CP/M calendar programs solicited To: info-cpm@brl.arpa Received: From Washington.ARPA via smtp; 12 Apr 83 13:41 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 12 Apr 83 13:56 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 13 Apr 83 0:22 EST I'm looking for a good calendar/scheduling program to run under CP/M, and I'd like the opinions of anyone willing to give them. I'd like suggestions on what you've used and might recommend. I'm interested in programs having the following features: 1) Appointments are cyclic; i.e., every Thursday from 14:00-16:00 between January 1 and June 30. Appointments can be modified by adding or deleting specific dates, and deleting an appointment deletes every specific meeting. 2) Reminders are displayed; i....e., every day from Feb 1 to Feb 10, I want to be reminded that there's a film/show/conference going on. I would like to see messages like "8 days 'til April 15!". 3) Schedules can be kept for individuals, and I can ask questions like "show me every 2 hour block on weekdays between 9:00 and 17:00 that George and Fred both have free." ------- 12-Apr-83 12:13:00,661;000000000000 Date: 12 Apr 1983 1113-PST From: Dick Subject: MODEM prog on TOPS20 (BUG) To: info-cpm@brl.arpa Received: From Usc-Eclb.ARPA via smtp; 12 Apr 83 14:52 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 12 Apr 83 15:01 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 13 Apr 83 0:27 EST I recall seeing a message about problems uploading to a Tops20 system with MODEM7 and BillW's MODEM(TOPS20), but can't find it. Now I need to know if there is some solution to the problem of the transfer aborting . This happens when the Tops system is anything more than lightly loaded. (messaged here since it is a CPM program). Any help? Thanks. ------- 12-Apr-83 22:51:00,680;000000000000 Date: 12 April 1983 22:51 EST From: Jonathan David Callas Subject: VT180 I/O innards To: INFO-CPM@mit-mc.arpa Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA via smtp; 12 Apr 83 22:49 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA via smtp; 12 Apr 83 23:00 EST Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA via smtp; 13 Apr 83 0:32 EST Does anyone have the details on how to directly access the I/O system on a VT180? I.e. How do I directly stuff (or read) bytes for the serial ports and the keyboard? The silly manual that comes with the VT180 does barely more than tell you how to use PIP and ED. Nothing even about how to access the BDOS!! Replies to me as I am not on info-cpm. Thanks, Jon 13-Apr-83 05:06:00,613;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 13 Apr 83 5:21 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 13 Apr 83 5:13 EST Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 13 Apr 83 5:04 EST Date: 13 April 1983 05:06 EST From: Jerry E. Pournelle Subject: [Tom Carnahan : OPINIONS on EPSON QX10?] To: TCARNAHAN@usc-isie.arpa cc: INFO-CPM@mit-mc.arpa In-reply-to: Msg of 12 Apr 1983 0740-PST from Tom Carnahan The qx-10 is nice, and has most of the physical features you ask about but I do not yet know what the software does.. 13-Apr-83 21:05:00,851;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 13 Apr 83 21:21 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 13 Apr 83 21:14 EST Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 13 Apr 83 21:03 EST Date: 13 April 1983 21:05 EST From: Keith Petersen Subject: RCPMLIST mailings to the net To: Info-Cpm@brl.arpa I have received several requests NOT to netmail the latest RCPMLIST when new versions become available. Rather than start a new mailing list, I'll handle this the same way as I do for those who cannot FTP the CPM DIRLST. If you would like to receive periodic mailings of the RCPMLISTs, as they become available, please send a note to Info-Cpm-Request@Brl. Review: RCPMLIST is a list of all known Remote CP/M systems, complete with phone numbers, system information, and baud rates accepted. -Keith 13-Apr-83 22:04:42,600;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 14 Apr 83 0:39 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 14 Apr 83 0:32 EST Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 14 Apr 83 0:22 EST Date: 13 Apr 83 21:04:42-PST (Wed) To: info-cpm@mit-mc.arpa From: menlo70!sri-unix!knutsen@ucb-vax.arpa Subject: new group Article-I.D.: sri-unix.5506 Received: from Usenet.uucp by SRI-Unix.uucp with rs232; 13 Apr 83 21:05-PST This group is intended for discussion of the CP/M micro OS, and associated hardware and software. Its is shared with the arpa info-cpm list. Andrew Knutsen SRI. 13-Apr-83 22:50:26,1499;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 14 Apr 83 2:51 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 14 Apr 83 2:46 EST Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 14 Apr 83 2:36 EST Date: Wed, 13 Apr 83 22:50:26 PST From: Matthew J. Weinstein To: Jerry E. Pournelle CC: info-cpm@mit-mc.arpa Subject: [Tom Carnahan : OPINIONS on EPSON QX10?] In-reply-to: Your message of 12 April 1983 03:53 EST According to H-P computers in Westwood Village, they are going to be here next Tuesday. I spent about an hour and a quarter playing with one today (purportedly with old software; 256k version) and it's very easy to learn, and not bad as a word processor (a little slow). Also, Pie/Bar/Line etc charts are easy to create, and has an easy to use, nice calendar system. The software needs a bit more integration, but it's nice for the price ($2295 w/64k & $2995 w/256k both w/2 drives). It's still a Z80, but the software and (easy to use for a novice) interface make it attractive. Offhand this would be a fun machine to have at home. The rep said that there are five expansion slots in the machine, and that color would be available down the road, as well as external hard disk. The rep also thought that the user would not be able to add functions to the Valdocs system. Does anyone have any info on this? - Matt 14-Apr-83 06:52:00,774;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 14 Apr 83 7:06 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 14 Apr 83 6:55 EST Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 14 Apr 83 6:51 EST Date: 14 April 1983 06:52 EST From: Keith Petersen Subject: MDM707 now available To: Info-Cpm@brl.arpa The latest version of MODEM7, the CP/M file transfer program, is now available on MIT-MC. The list of files is the same as the one I sent announcing MDM706, except for the increment in the version number of the name. The new version incorporates fixes and improvements received from users. Feedback is encouraged. Send to INFO-MODEM7@MIT-MC. If you are still using an old version of this program, you're missing a lot of new features. 14-Apr-83 07:05:00,475;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 14 Apr 83 7:31 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 14 Apr 83 7:18 EST Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 14 Apr 83 7:08 EST Date: 14 April 1983 07:05 EST From: Keith Petersen Subject: RCPMLIST mailings To: Info-Cpm@brl.arpa I neglected to mention that I will still announce new RCPMLISTs to Info-Cpm, with a pointer to the file, for those who can FTP from MIT-MC. --Keith 14-Apr-83 13:39:00,521;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 18 Apr 83 5:09 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 18 Apr 83 5:06 EST Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 18 Apr 83 5:04 EST Date: 14 Apr 83 13:39 CST (Thursday) From: Randall.DLOS@parc-maxc.arpa Subject: Re: modem7 In-reply-to: reece@nadc.arpa's message of 12 Apr 83 11:18:35 EST To: reece@nadc.arpa cc: info-cpm@mit-mc.arpa Your problem is solved if you use "Ascom". The new problem is, it's not public domain, it's pay domain. Mark 14-Apr-83 14:32:00,712;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 15 Apr 83 8:28 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 15 Apr 83 8:18 EST Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 15 Apr 83 8:12 EST Date: 14 April 1983 14:32 EST From: Frank J. Wancho Subject: MODEM prog on TOPS20 (BUG) To: MEAD@usc-eclb.arpa cc: INFO-CPM@brl.arpa Since Dick brought up the subject of TOPS-20 MODEM, I'd like to narrow the audience a bit and suggest that we start a mailing list of users of that TOPS-20 version, and call it INFO-MODEMXX. I am *very* interested in making that program as useful as possible under all conditions! Please send requests to be added to this new list to me. --Frank 14-Apr-83 15:41:56,488;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 14 Apr 83 18:52 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 14 Apr 83 18:48 EST Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 14 Apr 83 17:48 EST Date: 14 Apr 1983 14:41:56-PST From: Jim Gilbreath Reply-to: CCVAX.gil@nosc-cc.arpa To: CCVAX.revc@nosc-cc.arpa, POURNE@mit-mc.arpa Subject: Re: Documentation Standards Cc: INFO-CPM@mit-mc.arpa You wrote a wordstar filter in ASSEMBLY LANGUAGE! tch tch 14-Apr-83 18:19:24,1682;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 15 Apr 83 14:33 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 15 Apr 83 13:40 EST Received: From Sri-Unix.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 15 Apr 83 11:05 EST Date: 14 Apr 83 17:19:24-PST (Thu) To: info-cpm@brl.arpa From: sun!megatest!bigbob@ucb-vax.arpa Subject: new group Article-I.D.: megatest.192 In-Reply-To: Article sri-unix.5506 Received: from Usenet.uucp by SRI-Unix.uucp with rs232; 15 Apr 83 6:46-PST I am looking forward to reading alot of interesting info in this newsgroup. Initially I have two questions: 1) I've read recently on the net about a Z80 coded version of CP/M called ZCPR2. Jerry Pournelle had transferred a message from Rick Conn onto the net (rconn@brl.arpa) describing the status of it at the time. I wrote Rick and I haven't heard anything. In short, does anyone else know how to get a copy of that software? 2) I'd also read of Public domain CP/M software that is available through an arpa net location and that one was supposed to write Info-Cpm-Request@Brl to get on some type of "mailing list" and have access to the software. I similarly wrote them and got no response. Does anyone out on the net know whether this source is generally available, especially to someone like me who doesn't have a direct login on arpanet? I've posted this to the net in hopes that the information will be generally useful to everyone. If someone has access to other information, such as nation wide CPM users groups, etc., I for one, would like to see that published on the net. Or you can mail me and I'll post it. Thanks.... Bob Miller megatest!bigbob megatest!bigbob@lbl-csam 14-Apr-83 21:24:37,583;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 14 Apr 83 22:00 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 14 Apr 83 18:51 EST Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 14 Apr 83 18:45 EST From: Alan Parker Date: Thu, 14 Apr 83 21:24:37 EST To: info-cpm@mit-mc.arpa Subject: Unix based ASM Is there any such thing as an assembler that accepts the same input as the CPM Assembler (regular or macro) that runs on Unix and produces the same format hex file? I'm thinking of writing such a thing, but I don't care do it if it already exist. 14-Apr-83 23:38:44,2774;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 14 Apr 83 23:43 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 14 Apr 83 20:59 EST Date: 14 Apr 83 23:38:44 EST (Thu) From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@brl.arpa Subject: [Stephen C. Hemm: CP/M C implementations] This was directed to CP/M users so am forwarding it. Appologies to those who get it twice. Replies to address below, not me, please. --Keith ----- Forwarded message # 1: Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 14 Apr 83 7:54 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 14 Apr 83 7:47 EST Received: From Sri-Unix.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 14 Apr 83 7:35 EST Date: 13 Apr 83 20:56:01-PST (Wed) To: info-micro@brl.arpa From: Stephen C. Hemminger Subject: CP/M C implementations Article-I.D.: linus.21497 Received: from Usenet.uucp by SRI-Unix.uucp with rs232; 14 Apr 83 4:34-PST Since many people seem interested in running C on their home computers or other small systems, I have tried to keep a table of C features. This list originally appeared in the journal of big board users (Micro Cornucopia) [highly recommended]. Please send me any corrections. Version/Distributor Feature | Smallc Smallc+ Q/C C80 Supersoft BDS C AZTEC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Operators most most all all all all all Arrays oned oned oned nd nd nd nd Datatypes char/int y y y y y y y short n n y n n n n unsigned n n n y y y y pointer y y y y y y y long n n n n n n*** y float,double n n n n n n*** y extern n n y y y y y static n n y y n n y register n n n static static static Z80 only structure n n n y y y y union n n n n n y ? intialize n n y y n n y casts n n n n ? n ? program control most all all all all all all #define y y y y y y y #include y* y* y y y y y #ifdef/ifndef n n y y y y y #if/else/endif n n y y y y y #asm/endasm y y y y y n ? Output asm/mac y n y y y n asm** m80/l80 n y y y y n y object n n n n n y n Source? y y y n n n n Price: $20 $24 $95 $50 $200 $150 $199 * Includes can not nest, also funny syntax in some versions of Small C. ** Assembler/linker supplied with BDS C. *** BDS C has some libraries to handle float and long types, but not an intrinsic part of the language. Caveat: I do not have actual experience with all these languages, this is from other sources. Vendor Information: If you can not find any of these advertised, I can give contact information. Note: Smallc version is in public domain, can send it to you over uucp. ----- End of forwarded messages 15-Apr-83 03:46:00,1901;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 15 Apr 83 4:01 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 15 Apr 83 3:54 EST Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 15 Apr 83 3:46 EST Date: 15 April 1983 03:46 EST From: Jerry E. Pournelle Subject: [Tom Carnahan : OPINIONS on EPSON QX10?] To: matt@ucla-security.arpa cc: INFO-CPM@mit-mc.arpa In-reply-to: Msg of Wed 13 Apr 83 22:50:26 PST from Matthew J. Weinstein I generally agree witho y our observations, and have no answers to your questions. Sorry. JEP Date: Wed, 13 Apr 83 22:50:26 PST From: Matthew J. Weinstein To: Jerry E. Pournelle cc: info-cpm at mit-mc.arpa Re: [Tom Carnahan : OPINIONS on EPSON QX10?] According to H-P computers in Westwood Village, they are going to be here next Tuesday. I spent about an hour and a quarter playing with one today (purportedly with old software; 256k version) and it's very easy to learn, and not bad as a word processor (a little slow). Also, Pie/Bar/Line etc charts are easy to create, and has an easy to use, nice calendar system. The software needs a bit more integration, but it's nice for the price ($2295 w/64k & $2995 w/256k both w/2 drives). It's still a Z80, but the software and (easy to use for a novice) interface make it attractive. Offhand this would be a fun machine to have at home. The rep said that there are five expansion slots in the machine, and that color would be available down the road, as well as external hard disk. The rep also thought that the user would not be able to add functions to the Valdocs system. Does anyone have any info on this? - Matt 15-Apr-83 07:49:00,837;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 15 Apr 83 8:16 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 15 Apr 83 8:05 EST Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 15 Apr 83 7:48 EST Date: 15 April 1983 07:49 EST From: Eric Stork To: info-cpm@brl.arpa SUBJECT: ASHTON-TATE 'DRAGON' Received flyer from DISCOUNT SOFTWARE that (1) sends questionnaire about micro use; (2) asks help on 'research project' on advance copy of Ashton Tate relational data base 'for novices' called 'DRAGON'; asks for check for $20 and completed questionnaire for the DRAGON program. Anyone know anything about this? Are they on the up-and-up? Or is this a neat new scam, along the old lines of the classified ad in the personal's section that says 'Last chance to send your dollar to P.O.Box 1234....'? Eric 15-Apr-83 09:16:00,711;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 15 Apr 83 15:09 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 15 Apr 83 14:08 EST Received: From Parc-Maxc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 15 Apr 83 13:53 EST Date: 15 Apr 83 09:16 PST (Friday) From: GMeredith.es@parc-maxc.arpa Subject: Re: In-reply-to: STORK@mit-mc.arpa's message of 15 Apr 83 07:49 EST To: ADDRESS PROBLEM (BRL): ("Eric Stork "); cc: info-cpm@brl.arpa Don't send any money without receiving tangible collateral. Looks like a scam or naivete on the part of the 'company'. It would probably be very worthwhile to make the Postal Inspectors aware of the group to save others some pain if it is a scam. Guy 15-Apr-83 09:16:00,711;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 15 Apr 83 15:09 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 15 Apr 83 14:08 EST Received: From Parc-Maxc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 15 Apr 83 13:53 EST Date: 15 Apr 83 09:16 PST (Friday) From: GMeredith.es@parc-maxc.arpa Subject: Re: In-reply-to: STORK@mit-mc.arpa's message of 15 Apr 83 07:49 EST To: ADDRESS PROBLEM (BRL): ("Eric Stork "); cc: info-cpm@brl.arpa Don't send any money without receiving tangible collateral. Looks like a scam or naivete on the part of the 'company'. It would probably be very worthwhile to make the Postal Inspectors aware of the group to save others some pain if it is a scam. Guy 17-Apr-83 13:39:50,1914;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 18 Apr 83 4:24 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 18 Apr 83 4:19 EST Received: From Sri-Unix.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 18 Apr 83 4:13 EST Date: 17 Apr 83 12:39:50-PST (Sun) To: info-cpm@brl.arpa From: decvax!genrad!linus!sch@ucb-vax.arpa Subject: Updated C table Article-I.D.: linus.22404 Received: from Usenet.uucp by SRI-Unix.uucp with rs232; 18 Apr 83 0:56-PST Here is a quick chart of CP/M C compilers: Version Small Smallc+ Q/C C80 Super- BDS C AZTEC C v1 soft ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Operators most most all all all all all Arrays oned oned oned nd nd nd nd Datatypes char y y y y y y y int y y y y y y y short n n y n n n ? unsigned n n n y y y y pointer y y y y y y y long n n n n n n y float,double n n n n n n y extern n n y y y y y static n n y y n n y register n n n static static static y*** structure n n n y y y y union n n n n n y y intialize n n y y n n y casts n n n n ? n y program control most all all all all all all #define y y y y y y y #define f(x) n n n n ? y y #include y* y* y y y y y #ifdef/ifndef n n y y y y y #if/else/endif n n y y y y y #asm/endasm y y y y y n ? Output asm/mac y n y y y n asm** m80/l80 n y y y y n y object n n n n n y n Source? y y y n n n n Price: (free) $24 $95 $50 $200 $150 $199 * Includes can not nest (and in some versions have funny syntax.) ** Assembler/linker supplied. *** Even on an 8080, Aztec C puts the first "register" declaration in register pair BC. On a Z80, the first three go to BC, IX, and IY. However, when the function is not recursive you win by *not* using IX and IY registers instead of explicit "static"s. (tekecs!andrew) Note: Smallc version is in public domain. An improved version was posted to net.sources. 17-Apr-83 22:49:30,2934;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 17 Apr 83 23:07 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 17 Apr 83 22:57 EST Date: 17 Apr 83 22:49:30 EST (Sun) From: Rick Conn To: info-cpm@brl.arpa cc: info-micro@brl.arpa Subject: Public Domain Software Documentation The New York Amateur Computer Club, Inc, has published a series of DOCUMENTATION catalogs of the public domain software. There are 7 catalogs so far, each containing over 200 pages of documentation on public domain software. This documentation is almost exclusively copied from the documentation files on the public domain disks themselves. I skimmed through all 7 catalogs this afternoon, and they seem to be quite worthwhile to get. As I see it, they provide three main services: 1) they provide a good overview of the public domain software in SIG/M and CP/M UG; more than just listing the names of the files/programs on these disks, the documentation is included, so you can scan the documentation to see what you real- ly are dealing with before you acquire the disks 2) they provide a HARD COPY of the documentation; once one obtains a disk of software, he usually wants to print out the documentation anyway; these catalogs are in good, letter-quality print and contain tables of content 3) they consolidate the information on public domain software and are provided at a reasonable cost (the NYACC sells them at just slightly above cost, and the profit is used to fund club activities) Several people have been expressing concerns about the ZCPR2 and SYSLIB documentation. Among other things, the last three catalogs contain ALL of the ZCPR2 and SYSLIB documentation. The catalogs contain the following information: Book 1 (204 pages): CP/M 1 to 49; SIG/M 1 to 18 Book 2 (214 pages): CP/M 50 to 54, 78, 79 (CP/M 55 to 77 are reissues of SIG/M 1, 2, 11, 4-10, 13-25 resp); SIG/M 19 to 42 Book 3 (217 pages): SIG/M 43 to 60 Book 4 (210 pages): CP/M 80 to 84; SIG/M 61 to 76 Book 5 and Book 6 (400+ pages): SIG/M 77 to 106 (ZCPR1 is in SIG/M 77 and ZCPR2 is in SIG/M 98 to 108; SYSLIB is in SIG/M 88 to 90, 106 to 108) Book 7 (200+ pages): SIG/M 107 (SYSLIB documentation) For those interested in ZCPR2 and SYSLIB, Books 5 to 7 contain good hardcopies of all of the documentation. Each book costs $10 (including shipping) in North America and $15 (via airmail) overseas. All orders must be prepaid in US Funds. The address to write to for ordering the books is: New York Amateur Computer Club, Inc PO Box 106 Church St Station New York, NY 10008 Note: the NYACC is a non-profit organization. 17-Apr-83 22:59:47,1211;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 17 Apr 83 23:18 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 17 Apr 83 23:08 EST Date: 17 Apr 83 22:59:47 EST (Sun) From: Rick Conn To: info-cpm@brl.arpa cc: info-micro@brl.arpa Subject: More PD Software Documentation The San Diego Computer Society has recently asked for (and received) permission to copy and sell the ZCPR2 and SYSLIB documentation. When I receive official word that they are ready to receive orders, I'll post to the net. Also note (from the previous message about the NYACC) that the NYACC documentation is priced quite reasonably ($10 incl shipping for 200+ pages), and this is because the NYACC publishes in lots of 2000 copies. They are currently distributing the do- cumentation, and they have already sold a TON (figuratively) of their catalogs at the Trenton Computer Festival. Note: I believe the San Diego Computer Society is also a non-profit organization, like the New York Amateur Computer Club, Inc. By purchasing their materials, you are contributing to their club's activity funds as well. Rick 17-Apr-83 23:21:27,587;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 17 Apr 83 23:40 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 17 Apr 83 23:31 EST Date: 17 Apr 83 23:21:27 EST (Sun) From: Rick Conn To: info-cpm@brl.arpa cc: info-micro@brl.arpa Subject: NYACC phone One last note about the NYACC: those interested in their catalogs can phone Susan Perricone at (212) 243-0325 for more info. I believe that details such as unlimited distribution and copy permission within a computer club or company may be worked out. Reselling was also mentioned. 18-Apr-83 00:26:23,731;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 18 Apr 83 2:35 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 18 Apr 83 2:30 EST Received: From Nosc-Cc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 18 Apr 83 2:27 EST Date: 17 Apr 1983 23:26:23-PST From: Ty Wernet Reply-to: CCVAX.ty@nosc-cc.arpa To: MADLER@mit-ml.arpa, info-cpm@brl.arpa Subject: Graftrx+ w/WordStar and the Epson Cc: CCVAX.ty@nosc-cc.arpa By the time I had put together the patchs for you my microsystems magazine had arrived. This months Microsystems has the wordstar patches with a nice article along with it. If you do not receive this magazine or cannot get your hands on it let me know and I will send what I have put together. --Ty 18-Apr-83 04:53:00,661;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 18 Apr 83 4:58 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 18 Apr 83 4:54 EST Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 18 Apr 83 4:52 EST Date: 18 April 1983 04:53 EST From: Keith Petersen Subject: RCPMLIST.036 now available To: Info-Cpm@brl.arpa RCPMLIST.036 is now in CPM;RCP-M NOS. Those who cannot FTP this file from MIT-MC should send a note to Info-Cpm-Request@BRL, asking to be placed on the mailing list for periodic updates of this file. It is no longer being netmailed to Info-Cpm because of complaints received from those not wishing to receive it. --Keith 18-Apr-83 08:52:00,1023;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 18 Apr 83 12:03 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 18 Apr 83 12:03 EST Received: From Parc-Maxc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 18 Apr 83 11:51 EST Date: 18 Apr 83 08:52 PST (Monday) From: RROTH.ES@parc-maxc.arpa Subject: Re: MDM706 now available In-reply-to: W8SDZ@mit-mc.arpa's message of 9 Apr 83 17:05 EST To: W8SDZ@mit-mc.arpa cc: Info-Cpm@brl.arpa Keith, I obtained MDM706 AQM from the Oxgate system in northern Calif. and made some changes to it so that I could customize it for my Xerox 820-II. When I assembled it using MAC I got two undefined variables. The first one was MVI A,RUB. RUB was not defined so I defined it and all was well. The second error was: SCKSER: MVI A,BDNMCH My question is, "Do you know what BDNMCH is suppose to be equated to?". I know it refers to telling the RECEIVER that a bad name was sent, but that is all I know. Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks in advance! ! ! ! Bob Roth 18-Apr-83 11:05:38,1354;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 18 Apr 83 11:34 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 18 Apr 83 11:22 EST Date: 18 Apr 83 11:05:38 EST (Mon) From: Rick Conn To: CCVAX.revc@nosc-cc.arpa cc: info-cpm@brl.arpa, w8sdz@brl.arpa Subject: Re: syslib docfiles Bob, SYSLIBI.WS is a brief intro to SYSLIB. SYSLIBID.WS and SYSLIBR.WS are no longer needed. Hope you just read these refer- ences within the text as opposed to include files. Pages Dist-1 to Dist-5 of the SYSLIB User and Reference Manual tell you about what the distribution files are. Also, track the updates (Z2SYS-nn.MOD files) for future changes. Z2SYS-1.MOD and Z2SYS-2.MOD currently exist. Finally, make sure you have current versions of the docu- mentation (as opposed to the pre-release drafts). The current SYSLIB User and Reference Manual is for version 2.4, and the manual is dated 4 Feb 83. The current SYSLIB User's Guide is for 2.3 and is Rev B of the guide, dated 14 Dec 83. These current versions and all future changes can be tracked by obtaining the baseline documents and all Z2SYS-nn.MOD files released and updating as they announce new versions of the manuals. The same is true for ZCPR2. Rick 18-Apr-83 13:13:00,1228;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 18 Apr 83 17:51 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 18 Apr 83 17:48 EST Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 18 Apr 83 17:25 EST Date: 18 Apr 1983 13:13 EST (Mon) From: Tony To: Info-CPM@mit-mc.arpa Subject: Digital Research Query Reply-To: Li@rutgers.arpa Home: 219 Townsend St., New Brunswick NJ 08901 (201) 846-3626 It appears that I will again be working for Digital Research this summer. Unfortunately, DRI is not on any net, so they don't get the opportunity to communicate with netland. This is my attempt to show DRI just what they're missing. I'd also like to give you the opportunity to talk to DRI. I'd like comments and suggestions about DRI and CP/M from you out there in netland. Please feel free to comment on customer service, suggestions for features, or problems with any DRI products. All messages will be kept confidential, and no responses will be tendered. Flames will be re-directed to the bit bucket. Hopefully, this will get us all better response from DRI. I am not a DRI employee (yet), and this query is not part of any commercial venture. Cheers, Tony ;-) 18-Apr-83 22:53:00,2932;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 18 Apr 83 23:00 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 18 Apr 83 22:54 EST Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 18 Apr 83 22:52 EST Date: 18 April 1983 22:53 EST From: Frank J. Wancho Subject: Perfect Writer bugs==> Plu*Perfect Writer enhancements To: INFO-CPM@mit-mc.arpa This is for those of you using Perfect Writer on KayPro-IIs (and other machines, I suspect), from a message I recently received: -------------------- We set out to swat one bug, found a whole nest, and decided that the useful thing to do was upgrade the Perfect Writer editor itself for the KayProII. The patches are intricate and incorporate a host of new features. Here's a summary: Bugs corrected in KayPro-II version 1.03 Perfect Writer: - delete sentence (Escape K) [fatal if last sentence not terminated by end-of-sentence token]. - help (Escape ?) with missing help file [fatal]. - report status (Control-X =) [line number incorrect]. - reverse incremental search (Control-R) [failed for single character searches]. - up-arrow, down-arrow [failed in view mode] - delete line forward (Control-C) [modified document in view mode] Plu*Perfect Writer enhancements: - Automatic motor shutoff after reading/writing/swapping. - Automatic disk reset. - Variable swap file size. - User-definable keypad/arrow keys send ANY Perfect Writer commands. - Single-keystroke toggle of insert/overtype mode. - List directory and free space. - Reset disks. - Toggle between numeric keypad and enhanced command keypad mode. - Settable default margins, tab spacing, and mode. - Split line and indent. - Reverse Line Scroll. A disk for the KayPro-II with these enhancements and all bug corrections is available, complete with extensive documentation, from PluPerfect Systems Box 1494 Idyllwild CA 92349 Included are automatic patches for Perfect Writer, the swap file, and the BDOS, and a utility to configure the swap file. Also, the CCP is replaced with a ZCPR-like command processor that features an enhanced TYPE command with forward and reverse page and line modes. The price is $25 (plus sales tax for California residents). -----**********----- Users who want to install a minimal protective patch can avoid the two fatal bugs by putting a RETurn instruction at the addresses of the Delete-Sentence and Help commands. The following addresses are from PW.SYM for the KayProII PW version 1.03: MHELP 4597 hex MDELSENT 50B5 hex - USE DDT to read in PW.COM - assemble a RET at the two addresses - exit DDT and SAVE 136 PW.COM This is, of course, just a patch around the problem, not a solution, but it does prevent losing text. The PluPerfect Systems disk corrects the bugs so that the commands do function correctly. -------------------- 19-Apr-83 05:13:00,485;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 20 Apr 83 23:44 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 20 Apr 83 23:40 EST Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 20 Apr 83 23:35 EST Date: 19 April 1983 05:13 EST From: Keith Petersen Subject: MDM707 number overlay file updated To: Info-Cpm@brl.arpa AR61:CPM;MDM707 NMASM has been replaced. The previous version had some errors in the code. Sorry if it caused any inconvenience. --Keith 19-Apr-83 08:10:03,550;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 19 Apr 83 16:21 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 19 Apr 83 13:02 EST Received: From Parc-Maxc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 19 Apr 83 11:08 EST Date: 19 Apr 83 8:10:03 PST (Tuesday) From: cherry.es@parc-maxc.arpa Subject: Re: RCPMLIST.036 now available In-reply-to: W8SDZ@mit-mc.arpa's message of 18 Apr 83 04:53 EST To: Keith Petersen cc: Info-Cpm@brl.arpa Please add Cherry.ES to the distribution to receive the RCPMLIST.036 and future releases. Thanks.  19-Apr-83 09:53:00,1075;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 19 Apr 83 16:25 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 19 Apr 83 14:42 EST Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 19 Apr 83 12:36 EST Date: 19 Apr 1983 0853-PST Subject: Re: modem7 From: Bill Rizzi To: Randall.DLOS@parc-maxc.arpa cc: info-cpm@mit-mc.arpa In-Reply-To: Your message of 14 Apr 83 13:39 CST (Thursday) I have had a problem with Ascom - the 8-bit version (on a Kaypro) was not able to talk to the 16-bit version (on a DEC Rainbow 100). Actually, they could talk in terminal and BLOCK mode, but we really wanted BLOCKV mode to work so that a whole disk could be sent. No luck. Westico and Ascom said they have had "some minor problems" themselves but that it "should" work. Right. Also, the CPMUG protocol does not completely work with something like modem7 - Ascom never sends the "end of transfer" message back, letting modem7 hang until it times out. Otherwise, a very nice product - I like the human interface. Bill (RIZZI@ISIB) ------- 19-Apr-83 17:28:00,495;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 19 Apr 83 23:13 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 19 Apr 83 23:07 EST Received: From Usc-Eclb.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 19 Apr 83 23:00 EST Date: 19 Apr 1983 1628-PST From: Dick Subject: VT18x port data needed To: info-cpm@brl.arpa If anyone happens to have the addresses for the COMM port DATA port,STATUS port, RDA bit, TBE bit....please let me know what they are, I want to config MBOOT.... ------- 19-Apr-83 23:00:25,1022;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 20 Apr 83 9:57 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 20 Apr 83 8:59 EST Received: From Sri-Unix.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 20 Apr 83 8:56 EST Date: 19 Apr 83 22:00:25-PST (Tue) To: info-cpm@brl.arpa From: Byron Howes Subject: Help needed with VT-180 I/O Configuration Article-I.D.: unc.5021 Received: from Usenet.uucp by SRI-Unix.uucp with rs232; 20 Apr 83 5:34-PST I am recently possessed of a DEC VT-180 system which runs CP/M (among other things.) Unfortunately, while the system is new, I recieved absolutely no useful technical information for it. For obvious reasons, I would like to get to the various I/O devices on my own without trusting the the DEC-written BIOS. Does anyone have precise information on the location and protocol of the I/O ports on this critter? Disassembling the BIOS is beginning to bum me out! Thanks in advance, Byron Howes - UNC Chapel Hill unc!bch 19-Apr-83 23:41:00,877;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 19 Apr 83 23:46 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 19 Apr 83 23:42 EST Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 19 Apr 83 23:39 EST Date: 19 April 1983 23:41 EST From: Allan D. Plehn Subject: N* S-100 16-bit CPU, N* 15Mbyte 5 1/4 Hard Disk, N* BASIC (CP/M) To: INFO-CPM@mit-mc.arpa cc: PLEHN@mit-mc.arpa A usually reliable source recently told me that Northstar will soon announce a new 16-bit CPU for the Horizon. Also a new 5 1/4 Winchester with 15 Mbyte capacity. He also said Northstar will soon offer a new release of Northstar BASIC that runs under CP/M. (Its about time!) Maybe Northstar BASIC will get a new lease on life. Lots of good programs were written in that BASIC in the early days of micros, that is, 1975-1979. Can anyone confirm or deny the above? 20-Apr-83 10:59:46,602;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 20 Apr 83 16:47 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 20 Apr 83 16:38 EST Received: From Parc-Maxc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 20 Apr 83 13:54 EST Date: 20 Apr 83 10:59:46 PST (Wednesday) From: KLGross.ES@parc-maxc.arpa Subject: Re: RCPMLIST.036 now available In-reply-to: W8SDZ's message of 18 Apr 83 04:53 EST To: ADDRESS PROBLEM: (BRL) ("Keith Petersen "); cc: Info-Cpm@brl.arpa I would like to be placed on the mailing list for periodic updates of the RCPMLIST. My mail name is KLGross.es Thanks, Kevin 20-Apr-83 12:37:28,764;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 22 Apr 83 5:39 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 22 Apr 83 5:25 EST Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 22 Apr 83 4:15 EST Date: Wed 20 Apr 83 11:37:28-PST From: Bud Spurgeon Subject: PMMI info? To: info-micro@mit-mc.arpa, info-cpm@mit-mc.arpa We are thinking about using the PMMI Communications board and wanted to know if anyone had any experience with or opinions about this device that they would like to share. This is model number MM-VT1, and is an S-100 board which has a touch-tone dialer, touch-tone decoder, Votrax speech synthesizer, and parallel I/O port. Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks! Bud ------- ------- 20-Apr-83 15:19:20,749;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 20 Apr 83 17:30 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 20 Apr 83 17:26 EST Received: From Sumex-Aim.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 20 Apr 83 17:25 EST Date: Wed 20 Apr 83 14:19:20-PST From: Bud Spurgeon Subject: PMMI info? To: info-micro@brl.arpa, info-cpm@brl.arpa We are thinking about using PMMI Communications' board and wanted to know if anyone had any experience with or opinions about this device that they would like to share. This is model number MM-VT1, and is an S-100 board which has a touch-tone dialer, touch-tone decoder, Votrax speech synthesizer, and parallel I/O port. Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks! Bud ------- 20-Apr-83 21:14:22,714;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 21 Apr 83 11:10 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 21 Apr 83 11:07 EST Received: From Sri-Unix.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 21 Apr 83 10:52 EST Date: 20 Apr 83 20:14:22-PST (Wed) To: info-cpm@brl.arpa From: decvax!duke!unc!tucc!fwymail@ucb-vax.arpa Subject: Re: unc.5021: Help needed with VT-180 I/O Configuration Article-I.D.: tucc.3585 Received: from Usenet.uucp by SRI-Unix.uucp with rs232; 21 Apr 83 6:17-PST UNC Psychometrics is thinking of converting a bunch of VT-100's into VT-180's. Does anyone have any experience? We want to be able to edit files on them, then upload them to our PDP-11/45, and also go in the reverse direction too. 21-Apr-83 00:34:00,756;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 21 Apr 83 0:43 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 21 Apr 83 0:40 EST Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 21 Apr 83 0:33 EST Date: 21 April 1983 00:34 EST From: Paul R. Grupp Subject: bug(s) in MDM707 NMASM To: info-cpm@brl.arpa cc: INFO-MODEM7@mit-mc.arpa, W8SDZ@mit-mc.arpa I have just corrected a bug in the number overlay file for MDM707. The bug was; TO USE: said to save 65, when the correct number is 66. Also an earlier version of this file had a wrong ORG address. It should be ORG 0345H (not 02DBH). If you already have this file you can just make the indicated changes, and not have to re-download it as the rest is all correct. --Paul 21-Apr-83 01:38:00,610;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 21 Apr 83 1:49 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 21 Apr 83 1:44 EST Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 21 Apr 83 1:36 EST Date: 21 April 1983 01:38 EST From: Keith Petersen Subject: CompuServe protocol description update To: ProtocolS@rutgers.arpa cc: Info-Cpm@brl.arpa The file that describes the CompuServe file transfer protocol has been updated to correct a few errors and now includes some sample code as well. It's on MIT-MC in AR66:CPM;PROTOC CIS. This file replaces AR66:CPM;CIS PROTO. --Keith 21-Apr-83 13:25:45,1102;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 21 Apr 83 16:28 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 21 Apr 83 15:47 EST Received: From ffff0000.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 21 Apr 83 15:33 EST Date: 21 Apr 1983 14:25:45-CST From: Anil A. Pal Reply-to: pal@csnet-sh.arpa To: INFO-CPM@brl.arpa Subject: Help wanted with WordStar/NEC I have an Osborne I with Wordstar 2.26, and an NEC PC8023 printer. I would like to be able to use the proportional-spaced font for Wordstar documents, and have right-justified output. Is this possible with WS 2.26? The printer setup options include a couple of prop-space daisy-wheel printers, but if I select them I cannot customise further. Also, the Osborne manual I have (does not mention WS version #) lists some locations to change (PSHALF: and PSFINI:, I think, for half-line feed and exit re-initialization) that INSTALL cannot find. At the very least, if I cannot have proportional spacing, can I get sub- and super-scripts? Any help will be appreciated. Anil Pal U. of Wisc-Madison pal@uwisc 21-Apr-83 13:45:34,1666;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 22 Apr 83 10:58 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 22 Apr 83 9:49 EST Received: From Sri-Unix.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 22 Apr 83 8:10 EST Date: 21 Apr 83 12:45:34-PST (Thu) To: info-cpm@brl.arpa From: harpo!eagle!mhuxt!kfl@ucb-vax.arpa Subject: info wanted on CP/M public domain Article-I.D.: mhuxt.134 Received: from Usenet.uucp by SRI-Unix.uucp with rs232; 22 Apr 83 5:02-PST I was at the Trenton Computer Fair last weekend and was very impressed by a talk one of the speakes gave on public domain software for CP/M. I have a Heath H100 which runs CP/M-85 and apparently there is a guy in Pennsylvania that will supply Heath format 5.25" soft sectored floppies for any programs in the New York Amature Computer Club public domain library for $6.00 each. This is a great deal, execpt that there are 200 disks in the NYACC library. Has anyone had experience with the public domain software provided by NYACC (or any other club)? Which programs are worthwhile getting? I have seen several utilities, such as wash and dump which are "musts", but there is tons of other stuff. I would appreciate getting anyone's opinions on these programs. I have a catalog, and will summarize any information I get to the net. Also, does anyone know what is the latest version of MODEM7? The NYACC catalog lists a couple of dozen different versions, ranging from 7.0 to 7.96 to 7.6. MODEM7.6 appears to be the most recently dated (April, 1982), but I am not sure. Any help here would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Ken Lee {harpo or ihnp4 or eagle or cbosg}!mhuxt!kfl 21-Apr-83 14:37:00,1041;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 21 Apr 83 17:49 EST Received: From Parc-Maxc.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 21 Apr 83 17:36 EST Date: 21 Apr 83 14:37 PST (Thursday) From: CHall.PA@parc-maxc.arpa Subject: Re: Software Tools for CP/M In-reply-to: NCP.EGK@su-gsb-how.ARPA's message of Wed, 23 Mar 83 19:33:09 PST To: Edjik cc: Cargo.PD@hi-multics.arpa, info-cpm@brl-bmd.arpa Iam a little late late replying to your request due to some problems with my mail server. I seen demo's and talked to the people at Carousel. The system I saw the demo on was an S-100 with a semi-disk the package seemed very fast. The documentation was complete. The people who wrote the code are part of the group that did LBL Software Tools. The Software Tools are in public domain and are available from the Software Tools Users Group. But the port to a CPM system is going to be a long project. On the whole I think the Carousel software is the way to go. Cliff Let me know what you decide. 21-Apr-83 23:28:45,770;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 22 Apr 83 5:23 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 22 Apr 83 5:21 EST Received: From Rand-Relay.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 22 Apr 83 2:33 EST Date: 22 Apr 1983 01:28:45-EST From: goldfarb.ucf-cs@rand-relay.arpa Return-Path: Subject: CCS query To: info-cpm@brl.arpa Via: UCF-CS; 21 Apr 83 23:27-PST Has anyone done anything toward getting CP/M Plus to run on CCS systems out there? There are several CCS owners in my group who would like to compare notes on such topics. Ben Goldfarb ARPA: goldfarb.ucf-cs@Rand-Relay uucp: duke!ucf-cs!goldfarb 22-Apr-83 03:05:00,667;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 22 Apr 83 5:34 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 22 Apr 83 5:22 EST Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 22 Apr 83 3:03 EST Date: 22 April 1983 03:05 EST From: Jerry E. Pournelle Subject: unc.5021: Help needed with VT-180 I/O Configuration To: decvax!duke!unc!tucc!fwymail@ucb-vax.arpa cc: info-cpm@brl.arpa In-reply-to: Msg of 20 Apr 83 20:14:22-PST (Wed) from decvax!duke!unc!tucc!fwymail at ucb-vax.arpa we have found the conversion less than successful. Trouble getting disks to mount properly. Heat problems in the VT-180. Ungood. Douple plus ungood. 22-Apr-83 03:32:00,937;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 22 Apr 83 5:37 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 22 Apr 83 5:23 EST Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 22 Apr 83 3:30 EST Date: 22 April 1983 03:32 EST From: Jerry E. Pournelle Subject: new group To: sun!megatest!bigbob@ucb-vax.arpa cc: info-cpm@brl.arpa In-reply-to: Msg of 14 Apr 83 17:19:24-PST (Thu) from sun!megatest!bigbob at ucb-vax.arpa I'm given to understand that Bary Workman, Workman and Associates 112 Marion Ave Pasadena CA 91106 Has arranged t o distribute ZCPR but I do not know what he intends to charge for it (the manuals are LARGE and would have to be distributed on disks since printing a couple hundred page manuals wuld require that he charge far t oo much) I am also getting weary of the TVI 950 terminal whicvh insist s on insert ing spaces into words if you don't hit the keys just right.... 22-Apr-83 03:35:00,512;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 22 Apr 83 5:38 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 22 Apr 83 5:23 EST Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 22 Apr 83 3:33 EST Date: 22 April 1983 03:35 EST From: Jerry E. Pournelle To: STORK@mit-mc.arpa cc: info-cpm@brl.arpa In-reply-to: Msg of 15 Apr 1983 07:49 EST from Eric Stork i never heard of any of this; dragon? may be real but no one has told me, and usually I get The Word.... 22-Apr-83 04:34:00,316;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 22 Apr 83 5:39 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 22 Apr 83 5:25 EST Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 22 Apr 83 4:32 EST Date: 22 April 1983 04:34 EST From: Charles L. Jackson Subject: QUERY ~ To: INFO-CPM@mit-mc.arpa 22-Apr-83 14:54:15,2246;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 24 Apr 83 19:42 EDT Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 24 Apr 83 19:16 EDT Received: From Sri-Unix.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 23 Apr 83 6:19 EST Date: 22 Apr 83 13:54:15-PST (Fri) To: info-cpm@brl.arpa From: ihnp4!houxm!mel@ucb-vax.arpa Subject: CP/M I/O Device Status ? Article-I.D.: houxm.381 Received: from Usenet.uucp by SRI-Unix.uucp with rs232; 23 Apr 83 3:04-PST Is there a convention for handling I/O device status in CP/M? I have a DEC Rainbow 100 equipped with CP/M-86 and regular CP/M 2.2, and a printer port with handshake, a vt100 terminal emulator, and a communications port tied to the CP/M paper tape reader/punch. Only the keyboard has a CP/M status indicator (BDOS call #6 with magic code 0feH returns non-zero if a keyboard character has arrived). I have found an 8088 address (0:02b4bH) that contains a count of characters that have arrived and not been processed on the comm. port (paper tape reader). I have not been able to find any similar flagging of when the display is ready to receive another character (only a problem on "clear screen" at 9600 baud or faster), or when the comm. port (paper tape punch) can accept another character, or when the printer can accept another character (a real problem, since printers are usually very slow). My port of YAM to the Rainbow sometimes screws up the display in vi and emacs at 9600 baud, and cannot handle the printer at all (CP/M hangs in BDOS call #5 and loses characters from the comm. line). Bugs easily fixed if the status indicators were there to test. Questions: A. Does anyone know how to test for: display ready, comm. line ready, or printer ready on the Rainbow ? B. Assuming I find out how to test these status indicators, how should CP/M be patched to present them ? Another magic code to BDOS call #6 ? Additional BDOS calls ? or should I just add additional BIOS jump table entries ? or is it hopeless, and only direct I/O kludges should be used in the programs ? C. How did this situation come about ? Isn't CP/M a mature system able to support even these simple, fundamental things ? How does MS-DOS handle I/O device status ? Mel Haas , houxm!mel 22-Apr-83 14:58:19,808;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 24 Apr 83 20:45 EDT Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 24 Apr 83 19:59 EDT Received: From Sri-Unix.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 24 Apr 83 3:28 EDT Date: 22 Apr 83 13:58:19-PST (Fri) To: info-cpm@brl.arpa From: UNKNOWN.vmicro1@ucb-vax.arpa Subject: CP/M under UNIX, believe it or not Article-I.D.: ucbtopaz.116 Received: from Usenet.uucp by SRI-Unix.uucp with rs232; 23 Apr 83 23:15-PST Believe it or not, there is now a way to run CP/M progras under UNIX (and, for that matter, VMS, RSX, RT, and some others). Two ways, really--one simulated (slow but it works) and one hardware. The Virtual Microsystems Z-Board is now running under UNIX, and is quite nice. I programmed it. I know. Any interest? I'll talk more if there is. -josh gordon- 22-Apr-83 15:06:06,1265;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 22 Apr 83 17:23 EST Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 22 Apr 83 17:20 EST Received: From ffff6666.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 22 Apr 83 17:14 EST Date: 22 Apr 1983 16:06:06-CST From: Anil A. Pal Reply-to: pal@csnet-sh.arpa To: INFO-CPM@brl.arpa Subject: Communications program info wanted I would like to be able to access all the goodies available on MIT-MC. I have an Osborne I, and am running the PLINK program from MC, which enables me to transfer text files (not binary). I can ftp from MC to my local host. Question: which files should I get to enable me to up/download arbitrary files from my local host (VAX780/Berkeley UNIX4.1) to the Osborne? I believe there are various flavors of a program called MODEM which fit the bill. I also presume I will need a program to run at the host end (I think UMODEM, but I am not sure). BAsically, which files should I download from MC in order to accomplish transfers (a mated pair, one for VAX, one for Osborne)? .ASM files would be my best bet, but .HEX is probably OK for the Osborne, and C/pascal for the VAX. .COM files are out. Any info will be appreciated. Anil Pal U. of Wisconsin-Madison. 22-Apr-83 21:31:49,572;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 24 Apr 83 19:18 EDT Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 24 Apr 83 19:09 EDT Received: From ffff6666.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 23 Apr 83 2:43 EST Date: 22 Apr 1983 22:31:49-CST From: Anil A. Pal Reply-to: pal@csnet-sh.arpa To: INFO-CPM@brl.arpa Subject: Osborne break generation Does anyone know how to get the Osborne I to generate a 'break' character? Will I have to write a short routine to do this? If someone has a routine, please let me in on it. Thanks, Anil Pal 23-Apr-83 01:31:00,1487;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 24 Apr 83 19:16 EDT Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 24 Apr 83 19:08 EDT Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 23 Apr 83 1:30 EST Date: 23 Apr 1983 01:31 EST (Sat) From: Andrew Scott Beals To: pal@csnet-sh.arpa Cc: info-cpm@brl.arpa Subject: Communications program info wanted In-reply-to: Msg of 22 Apr 1983 17:06-EST from Anil A. Pal To transfer files between a unix system (any flavor, v7 and up) and your osborne, you need a) some flavor of the modem program that has been configured for the osborne (you can find this in the archives), and b) a program for unix that implements the same protocol. There are 2 unix modem programs out there. Umodem, which I didn't write. It has tons of options and is a @i(large) piece of code - also, I have been told by someone that they tried to use compile it on their flavor of unix, and it didn't work. There is also Tmodem, which is my program. It is a program in the unix style - it does one thing (transfer files), and it does it well. It will send files up or down and that's it. Two options. It is meant to transfer binaries from unix to cp/m. It has been under heavy use by a number of people, and I've ported it to everything from a vanilla v7 to berkeley 4.1. (I like my programs (biased, but such is life.).) If you need help with Tmodem, ask me. I'm here. -andy 23-Apr-83 12:59:00,727;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 24 Apr 83 20:11 EDT Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 24 Apr 83 19:28 EDT Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 23 Apr 83 12:56 EST Date: 23 April 1983 12:59 EST From: Charlie Strom Subject: new group To: POURNE@mit-mc.arpa cc: info-cpm@brl.arpa, sun!megatest!bigbob@ucb-vax.arpa In-reply-to: Msg of 22 Apr 1983 03:32 EST from Jerry E. Pournelle The NYACC (New York Amateur Computer Group) is a non-profit group that has already printed all documentation for ZCPR2 and SYSLIB and has it available in two volumes. See the file on MC called W8SDZ;GROUPS USER for further info and ordering instructions. 23-Apr-83 14:57:00,1214;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 24 Apr 83 20:17 EDT Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 24 Apr 83 19:30 EDT Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 23 Apr 83 14:58 EST Date: Sat, 23 Apr 1983 14:57 EST From: SJOBRG@mit-oz To: info-cpm@mit-mc.arpa Subj: Request for CPM update info Cc: sjobrg@mit-oz Since I am new to the CP/M set, I am curious about the status of the software that is on the CPM directory on MIT-MC. There are vicious (and probably true) rumours that much of the software there is broken in one form or another. My question is: Is someone out there keeping track of the state of the software that finds its way into the CPM directory? Would you make yourself know to me, please? My immediate application is to dump the "good" (ie, working) material out to magtape in order to prepare disks at somewhat higher than 1200-baud speed. I have Z-80, 8088, MC68000 systems running a number of different systems....I am most concerned about the Z-80 and 8088, though, since I have Unix on the 68000. I would appreciate help in this. Thanks. --Bob Please reply to SJOBRG@MIT-MC, since OZ sometimes screws up with net mail from non-MIT sites. 23-Apr-83 19:38:00,364;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 24 Apr 83 20:42 EDT Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 24 Apr 83 19:47 EDT Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 23 Apr 83 19:37 EST Date: 23 April 1983 19:38 EST From: Marc J. Widennley To: INFO-CPM@mit-mc.arpa Please reinstate my name in the list. Thank you, Marc 24-Apr-83 14:32:00,560;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 24 Apr 83 21:31 EDT Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 24 Apr 83 21:20 EDT Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 24 Apr 83 14:29 EDT Date: 24 April 1983 14:32 EST From: Frank J. Wancho Subject: Diablo 630 and WordStar To: INFO-CPM@brl.arpa An associate needs a complete patch listing to have WordStar support a Diablo 630 printer with proportional spacing (microjustification) also supported. If you have access to such info, please let me know. Thanks, Frank 24-Apr-83 22:32:15,1588;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 24 Apr 83 23:11 EDT Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 24 Apr 83 23:02 EDT Date: 24 Apr 83 22:32:15 EDT (Sun) From: Rick Conn To: info-cpm@brl.arpa cc: rconn@brl.arpa Subject: New ZCPR2 Files Several new ZCPR2 utilities now reside in AR84:FJW. They are: GENINS -- New Version, created to install the new utilities PRINT III -- ZCPR2 File Print Utility This is the PRINT utility documented in the ZCPR2 manuals. It is slightly different from the doc, and I'll be transmitting a new Z2SYS.MOD file to describe it and its use PAGE -- ZCPR2 File TYPE Utility This is the PAGE utility documented in the ZCPR2 manuals. It is also slightly different and will be documented in the new Z2SYS.MOD file COMMENT and SAK -- Brand new ZCPR2 utilities The new Z2SYS.MOD file which documents these will be released shortly. Note that, like all ZCPR2 utilities, these contain built-in documentation. The // option invokes this docu- mentation. I expect a change to the Z2ALT.HLP file as well. No changes to the ZCPR2 manuals will be released at this time. The Z2SYS.MOD files will serve as documentation supplements until new ZCPR2 manuals are released. The compressed source (MQC files) and object (COM files) for these programs are now on MC. CRCs check. Rick Conn 24-Apr-83 23:21:00,751;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 25 Apr 83 1:40 EDT Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 25 Apr 83 1:33 EDT Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 25 Apr 83 1:29 EDT Date: 24 Apr 1983 2221-PDT From: DKREBILL@usc-isie.arpa Subject: 8 " Drives Comparison? To: info-cpm@mit-mc.arpa Does anyone in the community know of any survey of the major 8" floppy disk drives? I'm trying to find info on such specifics as frequency of repair, longevity of the heads, imposed wear of the disk media, and the like. Maybe price is the best indicator???! Also, how about the half height drives? Info on Qume, Tandon, Shugart, or any others would be appreciated. Thanks in advance for any info, assistance! Dan... ------- 25-Apr-83 08:24:00,1345;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 26 Apr 83 0:16 EDT Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 26 Apr 83 0:00 EDT Received: From Parc-Maxc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 25 Apr 83 11:24 EDT Date: 25 Apr 83 08:24 PDT (Monday) From: Mendelson.es@parc-maxc.arpa Subject: CP/M Public Domain Software To: info-cpm@brl.arpa cc: Mendelson.es@parc-maxc.arpa I've been having the same type of questions in mind as those asked by Ken Lee recently. l have an Apple IIe, and have been wondering whether or not it is worthwhile getting a CP/M supporting card. What benefits do I get out of it? I see all sorts of messages about publicly available CP/M software, and get pages full of cryptically named programs whose gibberish names (to me, at least) convey no meaning. Can anyone enlighten me, or do I have to spend about $120 to get the NYACC catalogs to find out what's available. I'd sure appreciate an abbreviated summary of the types of things that I could get, the identities of the latest versions, the most useful ones, etc. Maybe that's either not possible, or it's too large an order. Please say so if that is the case. If it is perhaps someone could suggest the most orderly process I might go through to dig out the information I seek. Thanks in advance for any help and/or suggestions. Jerry Mendelson 25-Apr-83 10:44:00,2082;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 26 Apr 83 0:15 EDT Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 26 Apr 83 0:00 EDT Received: From Parc-Maxc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 25 Apr 83 10:42 EDT Date: 25 Apr 83 10:44 EDT (Monday) From: Damouth.Wbst@parc-maxc.arpa Subject: Re: new group In-reply-to: POURNE@mit-mc.arpa's message of 22 Apr 83 03:32 EST To: Jerry E. Pournelle cc: sun!megatest!bigbob@ucb-vax.arpa, info-cpm@brl.arpa RE: "Has arranged t o distribute ZCPR but I do not know what he intends to charge for it (the manuals are LARGE and would have to be distributed on disks since printing a couple hundred page manuals wuld require that he charge far t oo much)" You are perpetrating a misconception that is hard on those of us with slow printers. Example: According to an earlier message, the complete ZCPR2 documentation is 420 pages. I just called a randomly chosen local quick-print shop, who will offset print and bind 200 copies of a 500-page (250 two-sided sheets) 8 1/2" x 11" book from camera ready copy for $12.00 per book. This price could be driven lower by higher quantities and/or by finding a hungrier printer. The "LARGE" manual is actually less than 1" thick, printed double sided on good 20# paper. You would need about six 8" SSSD disks to distribute this same documentation, at a cost of about $15.00, not counting duplication charges and label printing. Office overheads are probably about the same either way, except for the extra storage space (10 cubic feet) for the paper version. Either way, office overheads and a small profit would presumably double the costs mentioned above, and a full commercial profit would add another ~50%. UPS shipping to the customer would add a few dollars to the customer's cost, still leaving the printed version a bit cheaper. While this is not fancy "professional" formatting, printing, and binding it is better than what would result from a "do-it-yourself" printing job by an average customer working from a distribution disk. /Dave 25-Apr-83 12:56:00,2446;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 26 Apr 83 0:02 EDT Received: From Hi-Multics.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 25 Apr 83 23:48 EDT Date: 25 April 1983 12:56 cdt From: Cargo.PD@hi-multics.arpa Subject: Software Tools for CP/M To: info-cpm@brl-bmd.arpa cc: Heiby.AVDNSWE@hi-multics.arpa I finally got around to writing to Carosel. They sent me a four page flyer (dated March 1983) with lots of useful information. Major fetures: 61 ultility programs, a versatile command interpreter (shell), a consistent way to access all the tools, the ability to redirect tool input and output, a feature that transmits data between tools (pipe simulations), and a better way to organize your file directories (simulated hierarchical directories). The tool kits come in two flavors, the Build-a-ToolKit, and Use-a-ToolKit. The former is the more complete and expensive, the latter smaller and cheaper. Stated requirements: CP/M 2.2, 64K-bytes of memory (for optimum performance), Two 8-inch floppy disk drives, Microsoft's Fortran-80 if compiling tool sources from the Build-a-ToolKit is desired (no version of Fortran-80 is specified). Prices: Carousel ToolKit Manual for CP/M 80 (338 page manual with a beginner's introduction to using the tools on CP/M, tutorials, and detailed descriptions of each command and library routine), $40.00 (this does not seem to be good for any credit on a later purchase). Carousel Use-a-ToolKit (manual, license, 3 diskettes with 61 tools in binary form) $249.00 Carousel Build-a-ToolKit (everything from the above plus 6 diskettes with the tool sources, the linkable library, ratfor, and the associated tool-building tools) $395.00 Additional licenses for single user/machine $40.00 They will pay shipping if prepaid by check or money order. California sales tax collected where apppropriate. This looks like a good deal, since the shell functions alone would cost on the order of $150 for something like the MicroShell (no brosure handy). I am certain I have the price wrong for that but I am not too far off. I don't feel like typing the descriptions of all 61 tools. Write Carousel MicroTools, Inc. at 609 Kearney Street, El Cerrito, CA 94530 for more info. (415) 528-1300 is their phone number. Carousel Tools, ToolKit, Build-a-ToolKit, and Use-a-ToolKit are trademarks of Carousel MicroTools, Inc. CP/M is a trademark of Digital Research. 1-Apr-83 19:40:00,836;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 2 Jun 83 19:45 EDT Received: From brl-gateway2.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 2 Jun 83 19:33 EDT Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 2 Jun 83 19:05 EDT Date: 1 April 1983 19:40 EST From: Keith Petersen Subject: Subject Fields To: Sys-Adm@office-10 cc: Info-Micro@brl, Info-Cpm@brl In-reply-to: Msg of 1 Apr 1983 0300-PST from Administrator This may be a silly question, but why hasn't the mail reader been fixed? If it's to conform to net standards, it should show the subject field information. I think it's unreasonable to ask the whole network to add the subject field to the message. If you need a new mail reader, suggest you contact Frank Wancho . He knows where such things are available. 8-Apr-83 17:27:00,841;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 2 Jun 83 17:58 EDT Received: From brl-gateway2.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 2 Jun 83 17:44 EDT Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 2 Jun 83 17:38 EDT Date: Fri, 8 Apr 1983 17:27 EST From: SJOBRG.ANDY%MIT-OZ@mit-mc To: goldfarb.ucf-cs@rand-relay Cc: AUTHOR@mit-mc, w8sdz@brl, info-cpm@brl Subject: RCPMLIST In-reply-to: Msg of 4 Apr 1983 11:00-EST from goldfarb.ucf-cs at rand-relay.arpa Well, why not set up a list of people who wish to get copies of rpcmlist? That way a) the mail traffic will be reduced from present levels, b) people who don't want the #$%$%&^@* list won't get it in their mailbox, and c) those who do want the list will get it (even if they don't have FTP access). *sigh* (also all of this discussion about rcpmlist will dissapear(sp?)) -andy 12-Apr-83 03:33:00,990;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 2 Jun 83 20:22 EDT Received: From brl-gateway2.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 2 Jun 83 20:05 EDT Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 2 Jun 83 19:52 EDT Date: 12 April 1983 03:33 EST From: Jerry E. Pournelle Subject: Godbout reprise To: goldfarb.ucf-cs@rand-relay cc: BYTE@mit-mc, CSTROM@mit-mc, info-cpm@brl, info-micro@brl, mknox@utexas-11 In-reply-to: Msg of 8 Apr 1983 13:56:52-EST from goldfarb.ucf-cs at rand-relay.arpa G&G is certainly a good outfit to work with. Priority One is fine for discount stuff when you KNOW what you want and know more or less what can or cannot go wrong with it. Incidentally, they have found a m ajor bug in the 68000 board at Godbout and are stripping all the boards and doing things to them. So says Tony anyway. Those who bought earlier copies should swap them out when they've got the bug fixed. I have cpm 68K for the SAGE but have not turned it on yet.. 16-Apr-83 02:01:00,1308;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 2 Jun 83 20:24 EDT Received: From brl-gateway2.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 2 Jun 83 20:08 EDT Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 2 Jun 83 19:53 EDT Date: 16 April 1983 02:01 EST From: Richard P. Wilkes Subject: MODEM Source (Z80) To: Info-Micro@brl, Info-CPM@brl cc: INFO-TRS80@mit-mc For the past few months, I have been trying to locate public domain source for the MODEM protocol in Z80, preferably one that includes CRC's. I am trying to integrate the protocol into the upload/download part of a bulletin board system running on TRaSh-80 models I/III. I need the source to be able to apply the necessary front-end and eliminate the unnecessary terminal-type commands. I need the Z80 flavor since I don't have an 8080 assembler. If you know of anyone that has the source or know someone that I might contact, I would *REALLY* appreciate the help. If I have to program it myself, it won't get done, which would be too bad since this board is going to be widely distributed. I can be contact at the above netaddr for those with arpa access or zza_a116.jhu at UDEL-RELAY for CSNet. Also, PO Box 1577, Baltimore MD 21203. I'll repay postage/disk for anyone who sends me the source. Thanks -Rick Wilkes 28-Apr-83 20:24:00,1630;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 28 Apr 83 20:37 EDT Received: From brl-gateway2.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 28 Apr 83 20:27 EDT Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 28 Apr 83 20:26 EDT Date: 28 April 1983 20:24 EDT From: Keith Petersen Subject: CP/M public-domain programs To: Mendelson.es@parc-maxc.arpa cc: Info-Cpm@brl.arpa In-reply-to: Msg of 28 Apr 83 08:35 PDT () from Mendelson.es at PARC-MAXC.ARPA I think if your budget will allow it you should order all 7 volumes of the NY Club's catalogs. I bought them at the computer fest and wasn't sorry. It's amazing to look through them and see the wide diversity of things in the public domain. After you get the catalogs and decide on some things you want, check the MIT-MC CPM; directory first for more recent versions, then order. One nice thing about public-domain programs is that if they're good ones they seem to be well-maintained (i.e., updates/fixes/features added, etc.). For instance, MDM7xx (a.k.a. MODEM7xx) has gone through MANY revisions (most for the better) and some people have taken the attitude that they're tired of getting the newest versions of that program. I don't see it that way at all - personally I would want to make sure I ALWAYS had the latest version, just to make sure I didn't miss out on some nice new feature. You'd be amazed at how many people don't know, for instance, that there's a very large printer buffer available in the terminal mode. That feature has been in there for a number of revisions, but some users are so far behind they don't have it. --Keith 28-Apr-83 21:49:00,573;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 2 Jun 83 21:03 EDT Received: From brl-gateway2.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 2 Jun 83 20:49 EDT Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 2 Jun 83 20:38 EDT Date: 28 April 1983 21:49 EDT From: Eric J. Swenson Subject: Altos 5-5D Computer To: info-cpm@brl, info-micro@brl Does anyone know the CONTROL and DATA ports for the Serial i/o ports on the Altos 5-5D (or 5-15D) micro? Also, what are the bits to test for read and write? As you might imagine, I'm trying to get MDM70X running on it. Thanks. 29-Apr-83 08:40:15,1227;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 29 Apr 83 11:18 EDT Received: From brl-gateway2.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 29 Apr 83 11:07 EDT Received: From Nadc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 29 Apr 83 10:51 EDT Date: 29 Apr 1983 10:40:15-EDT From: dudley@nadc.arpa To: info-cpm@brl.arpa, info-micro@brl.arpa Subject: Who is Masscomp? Just who are these guys? The following is an excerpt from a mailing to the unix wizards quoting some simple benchmarks on Unix-type systems. The problem is, I haven't any luck in finding a phone number or address for Masscomp (is the the company name or the computer name?) cc a.out -------------- -------------- System & OS Price Config real user supv real user supv Total ----------- ----- ------ ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ----- Masscomp $28000 dual 10 MHz 5.0 1.2 2.1 8.0 7.5 0.1 10.9 SIII + 68000s (for Berkeley VM) with a extensions 4KB cache 27 MB winch 1 MB floppy 512KB memory ascii terminal Replys to dudley@nadc since I am not on all of the lists I am interrogating. Thanks. --william dudley 29-Apr-83 14:14:20,1652;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 29 Apr 83 16:53 EDT Received: From brl-gateway2.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 29 Apr 83 16:40 EDT Received: From Udel-Relay.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 29 Apr 83 16:36 EDT Date: 29 Apr 83 15:14:20-CDT (Fri) From: Fbrown.Micom@udel-relay.arpa Return-Path: Subject: [UNKNOWN.vmicro1: CP/M under UNIX, believe it or not] To: info-cpm@brl.arpa Via: Micom; 29 Apr 83 16:18-EDT I recvd the attached msg via the net, I couldn't get the net to recognize the address when I tried to answer. To whom it may concern; I would like to hear more about this. Frank Brown fbrown.micom@udel-relay ----- Forwarded message # 1: Date: 22 Apr 83 13:58:19-PST (Fri) From: UNKNOWN.vmicro1@ucb-vax Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 24 Apr 83 20:45 EDT Received: From Brl.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 24 Apr 83 19:59 EDT Received: From Sri-Unix.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 24 Apr 83 3:28 EDT Received: from Usenet.uucp by SRI-Unix.uucp with rs232; 23 Apr 83 23:15-PST Received: from BRL by udel-relay.ARPA ; 26 Apr 83 21:28:20 EDT (Tue) Subject: CP/M under UNIX, believe it or not To: info-cpm@brl Article-I.D.: ucbtopaz.116 Via: UDel; 27 Apr 83 3:37-EDT Believe it or not, there is now a way to run CP/M progras under UNIX (and, for that matter, VMS, RSX, RT, and some others). Two ways, really--one simulated (slow but it works) and one hardware. The Virtual Microsystems Z-Board is now running under UNIX, and is quite nice. I programmed it. I know. Any interest? I'll talk more if there is. -josh gordon- ----- End of forwarded messages 29-Apr-83 17:26:11,684;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 29 Apr 83 18:02 EDT Received: From brl-gateway2.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 29 Apr 83 17:54 EDT Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 29 Apr 83 17:49 EDT Date: 29 Apr 83 17:26:11 EDT (Fri) From: Ron Natalie To: dudley@nadc.arpa cc: info-cpm@brl.arpa, info-micro@brl.arpa Subject: Re: Who is Masscomp? Masscomp is the Massachusetts Computer Corp. They were at USENIX, their UNIX machine didn't impress me much (pretty standard and overpriced). Their data aquisition system looked interesting though. Address: MASSCOMP 543 Great Road Littleton, MA 01460 (617) 486-9425 29-Apr-83 18:43:10,698;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 29 Apr 83 18:57 EDT Received: From brl-gateway2.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 29 Apr 83 18:50 EDT Date: 29 Apr 83 18:43:10 EDT (Fri) From: Rick Conn To: info-cpm@brl.arpa Subject: ZCPR2 Files I've finished uploading the new ZCPR2 files and documentation. They are in AR84:FJW. Description of changes is in the file Z2SYS3 MOD. This will serve as a supplement to the User's and Reference Manual (as all the MOD files should). Some programs announced eariler have been changed over the past week. You may wish to check to ensure that you have the current versions. Enjoy! Rick 29-Apr-83 20:49:57,778;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 1 May 83 18:46 EDT Received: From brl-gateway2.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 1 May 83 18:45 EDT Received: From Sri-Unix.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 1 May 83 1:22 EDT Date: 29 Apr 83 19:49:57-PDT (Fri) To: info-cpm@brl.arpa From: decvax!wivax!linus!genrad!wjh12!wwb@ucb-vax.arpa Subject: bug fix to cpmfloppy.c Article-I.D.: wjh12.210 Received: from Usenet.uucp by SRI-Unix.uucp with rs232; 30 Apr 83 22:19-PDT I have submitted to net.sources the diff file for a bug fix to cpmfloppy.c. The bug causes the program to report that a directory is badly formatted when the 0128 boundry on the floppy is reached. Also included are certain changes to make it more portable. Bill Barker. ...decvax!genrad!wjh12!wwb 30-Apr-83 03:05:00,1939;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 30 Apr 83 3:26 EDT Received: From brl-gateway2.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 30 Apr 83 3:25 EDT Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 30 Apr 83 3:17 EDT Date: 30 April 1983 03:05 EDT From: Jerry E. Pournelle Subject: [Tom Carnahan : OPINIONS on EPSON QX10?] To: TCARNAHAN@usc-isie.arpa cc: INFO-CPM@mit-mc.arpa In-reply-to: Msg of 12 Apr 1983 0740-PST from Tom Carnahan The Epson Qx-10 is as nice a set of hardware as I have seen for the money. I am told that it is available with CP/M. I do not have CP/M for it. I have TPM and VALDOCS. Those are designed by semi-geniuses for use by semi-idiots. In theory I have the poroduction software, but whenevber I call them about things, they tell me they have another upgrade, and they will be preoviding upgrades to prevous purchasers. If you know little about computers and do not want to learn much, the VALDOCS system may well be what you need. It is a combined text editor, calendar, memo pad, and stuff like that, all worked from inside the text editor. Problem is it is SLOW SLOW SLOW SLOW SLowwwwww in disk ops, and for that matter they work the poor little Z-80 so hard that it is SLOW writing to the screen. I do not know whether that is VALDOCS or inherent in the QX-10. I do know that if you watch the screen when you use the system, you will go mildly mad, as it is a full half second or so behind you (single user). There's much to like about the machine, especially the hardware, but I got a feeling they really need more work on the software. I do not know what terminal the QX-10 emulates when it's in CP/M and not running VLADOCs. It is a bit-mapped screen thouggh, so they can put up BOLDFACE and italics and like that right on screen (and with the Epson Fx-80 printer actually print it, too...) JEP 30-Apr-83 03:13:00,905;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 30 Apr 83 3:38 EDT Received: From brl-gateway2.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 30 Apr 83 3:25 EDT Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 30 Apr 83 3:24 EDT Date: 30 April 1983 03:13 EDT From: Jerry E. Pournelle Subject: Godbout CP/M-68K To: goldfarb.ucf-cs@rand-relay.arpa cc: INFO-CPM@mit-mc.arpa In-reply-to: Msg of 12 Apr 1983 20:19:27-EST from goldfarb.ucf-cs at Rand-Relay I am told th eproblem with the CompuPro 68K board affected the MMU (memory management unit) only, and then only if you are using LOTS of memory and high speeds. A fix (cut a trace and add a jumper) will be described to those who bought boards before they caught it. CompuPro CP/M-68K with new boards due next week. Again this is what I am told. I have now exhausted my information on the subject. it is pointless to ask me for more.. 30-Apr-83 10:54:00,680;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 30 Apr 83 11:03 EDT Received: From brl-gateway2.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 30 Apr 83 10:59 EDT Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 30 Apr 83 10:54 EDT Date: 30 April 1983 10:54 EDT From: Charlie Strom Subject: Wang > CP/M To: INFO-CPM@brl.arpa cc: INFO-MICRO@mit-mc.arpa I have a quantity of aging Wang word proceesor diskettes (hard sectored) that were produced on a Syetm 10A, and need a method to convert the files to be readable by CP/M. I would greatly appreciate any pointers to service houses that could do this conversion for me. Thanks in advance, Charlie Strom 30-Apr-83 14:18:00,415;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 30 Apr 83 17:26 EDT Received: From brl-gateway2.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 30 Apr 83 17:21 EDT Received: From Lll-Mfe.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 30 Apr 83 17:18 EDT Date: Saturday, 30 April 1983 1418 PDT From: "Morton Jim%CCC"@lll-mfe.arpa Subject: Request my addition to the list To: info-cpm@brl.arpa Please Re-enter me on the info-cpm mailing list. thank you 30-Apr-83 17:52:00,1542;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 30 Apr 83 20:06 EDT Received: From brl-gateway2.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 30 Apr 83 20:00 EDT Received: From Office-2.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 30 Apr 83 19:55 EDT Date: 30 Apr 1983 1652-PDT From: Jeffrey@office-6 Subject: Language Translator query To: info-cpm@brl.arpa I need some help putting together a quick and dirty translator for a basic-like application language (custom language). The langauge will have commands similar to those of Basic including GOTO xxx where xxx is a label on one of the commands in the "program" being translated. Most of the other commands are straight forward sorts which begin with a command name and may have some arguments separated by commas: COMMAND-NAME arg1, arg2, ... where most of the arguments are numeric, symbolic, or selector (e.g. YES | NO) type things. Some fo the arguments will be multiline text literals. What I am looking for is any code that I could hack into a reasonable translator for this language. By the way, the output of the translator will be an intermediate form representation of the input suitable for interpretation by a runtime package. I am hoping to write the translator in C (BDS or Lattice) but would go with some other language if I found a very nice box of code to hackup. All suggestions will be aprreciated. Please send them directly to me (jeffrey@office). thanks very much, Jeffrey Stone Menlo Park, Ca. ------- 30-Apr-83 18:34:16,581;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 1 May 83 19:13 EDT Received: From brl-gateway2.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 1 May 83 19:08 EDT Received: From Rand-Relay.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 1 May 83 3:33 EDT Date: 30 Apr 1983 20:34:16-EDT From: goldfarb.ucf-cs@rand-relay.arpa Return-Path: Subject: Your PhD To: POURNE@mit-mc.arpa Cc: info-cpm@brl.arpa Via: UCF-CS; 1 May 83 0:29-PDT Just out of curiosity, in what field did you receive your PhD? (Or is it an M.D.?) I am certain there is much latent curiosity around the net. Ben 30-Apr-83 20:36:00,870;000000000000 Received: From Brl-Bmd.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 30 Apr 83 20:41 EDT Received: From brl-gateway2.ARPA by BRL-BMD via smtp; 30 Apr 83 20:36 EDT Received: From Mit-Mc.ARPA by BRL via smtp; 30 Apr 83 20:36 EDT Date: 30 April 1983 20:36 EDT From: Keith Petersen Subject: New ZCPR2 files To: INFO-CPM@brl.arpa The new ZCPR2 files Rick Conn just announced are now available in AR84:CPM; We would appreciate it if you accessed them there instead of the previously-announced location, in order to avoid accidents while FTPing. The AR84:CPM; location is actually a "LINK" to the other one, so will be identical. Because of directory storage limits many of the files in the CPM; directory are actually LINKs to files stored in other directories. We've got a lot of great things on-line. See CPM;CPM DIRLST for a complete listing. --Keith