1-Mar-85 00:16:24-MST,2211;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 1 Mar 85 00:16:12-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a016739; 1 Mar 85 1:49 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a008818; 1 Mar 85 1:24 EST From: Ruben Ramirez-Mitchell Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: BU-11.COM - HD backup/Questions and information. Message-ID: <1394@ut-ngp.UUCP> Date: 28 Feb 85 21:06:14 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.cpm:4008 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA I downloaded BU-11.LBR from Simtel to see If I could use it with my system (CompuPro C-HQ540 running under MPM-816) to backup my 40Mb Hard disk. The program is very nice: it includes a number of good options (backup single or multiple drives, current user area or all, files with attribute set or not, etc) and it is much better than my present system. I back up using ARCHIVE (COM or CMD), SUBMIT files and SOFTKEY files (a keyboard enhancer program for Compupro systems). Additional features: It generates an alphabetical listing of all non-dupli- cated files, prints it and then, as it backs up, it prints a formatted list of the files being copied. It prompts for the date and a disk number, and this info is used to generate in user 0 of the backup disk a file called -.. Problems and questions: BU comes setup to manipulate the file attribute F4. This is no good for my system where this attribute is used by MPM to disable several features. I modified it so it manipulates T3 ( the archive attribute bit) and now it sets and resets this bit like ARCHIVE ,PIP, etc. Problems: The program prompts for a new disk when the backup is full, but if a new one is inserted I run into problems under MPM-816. Has anybody modified BU to do the equivalent of a DSKRESET ? Is anybody using this program with a Compupro system running under MPM-816? The program is in MICRO:BU-11.LBR. Ruben Mitchell Cell Research Institute University of Texas Austin, Texas 78712 ruben@ut-ngp.arpa Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm 1-Mar-85 00:23:53-MST,976;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 1 Mar 85 00:23:48-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a016741; 1 Mar 85 1:49 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a008979; 1 Mar 85 1:28 EST From: Sam Chin Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: ftp of files from simtel20 to unix Message-ID: <1010006@acf4.UUCP> Date: 28 Feb 85 15:33:00 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.cpm:4009 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA <<<>>> On our BSD 4.2 ftp, I use "tenex" mode in ftp to transfer the files from simtel20 and lu and usq to unarchive them and unsqueeze them. I don't think you have to use itstonorm any more because all the files at simtel20 were stripped of that header. Sam Chin allegra!cmcl2!acf4!tsc2597 tsc2597@nyu-acf4 1-Mar-85 07:18:26-MST,2390;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 1 Mar 85 07:18:12-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a019273; 1 Mar 85 8:50 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a014808; 1 Mar 85 8:45 EST From: john chapman Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: Anyone have Lomas S-100 systems? Message-ID: <1379@watcgl.UUCP> Date: 27 Feb 85 18:09:27 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.cpm:4016 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA (extract) > they are a competitor of Compupro. They sell S-100 boards and systems such > as 10Mhz 8086 boards, 80286 boards, 3Mb dynamic ram boards etc and they > support CPM/86, MSDOS 2.1 and Concurrent PC-DOS (hopefully UNIX soon). > > Recently, they came out with a 3 Mb dynamic ram board which works with a > 10Mhz 8086 with no wait states. More interestingly, they have a S-100 board > Sam Chin I have seen this board advertised but I think people should be wary about rushing out and buying one even though they seem like a good deal. Last august I decided to add more memory to my machine and their 128k/256k dynamic memory board seemed like a good deal too. However having had previous (bad) experiences with dynamic boards for s100 machines I was wary. I have a Morrow hard disk controller which does dma so I called them up and specifically asked - Will this board function correctly with the Morrow HDC-DMA (just about as close to an exact quote as I can do)? Answer: YES. Reality: NO. I did not discover this immediately since all my other memory was static and it was not until I ran in a configuration where the Lomas board was being used as the target of the disk transfer that failure occurred. By this time the warranty had expired so I just sighed and went out and bought another static ram board (sound of toilet flushing). Even now I am tempted by both the price of their new board and the claims about it but dynamic just doesn't seem to work in a generic s100/IEEE696 environment. If anyone has had better experiences with dynamic memeory I would be pleased to know. All the boards I know of either don't do dma properly or are restictricted to particular cpu, etc etc. John Chapman Once warned, twice shy, but still optimistic. 1-Mar-85 09:03:11-MST,1280;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 1 Mar 85 09:02:59-MST Received: from ari-hq1.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a021059; 1 Mar 85 10:20 EST Date: 1 Mar 85 10:12:00 EST From: brake@ari-hq1.ARPA MMDF-Warning: Parse error in preceding line at AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Dynamic Memory To: info-cpm Reply-To: brake@ari-hq1.ARPA MMDF-Warning: Parse error in preceding line at AMSAA.ARPA I tried to install dynamic memory in my CompuPro system (8085/8088). The board could be strapped for up to 8 wait states so I didn't think that I would have any problems. I figured that in the worst case 8 wait states would be alright since the memory was so cheap. Wrong! I put the memory at 0000H and I couldn't get the 8085 to boot under CP/M since the disk controller (DISK1) was too fast for the memory even with 8 wait states. I put the memory above my RAM16's and tried to use the 8088 (CP/M86) debugger to deposit values in the memory without any luck. The only way I could get the memory to work was to run my 8085 at 2 MHZ with no wait states. The lesson to be learned is that if you have a disk controller that does DMA don't buy dynamic memory. Dennis [BRAKE@ARI-HQ1] ------ 1-Mar-85 09:57:10-MST,3219;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 1 Mar 85 09:56:53-MST Received: from apg-1.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a021826; 1 Mar 85 11:10 EST Date: 1 Mar 1985 11:06:52 EST (Friday) From: Robert Bloom AMSTE-TOI 3775 Subject: Minor Mex112 bugs To: rfowler@simtel20.ARPA Cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Minor bug reports in MEX112: 1. MEX v112 lost an ASCII capture file and did not save the whole file correctly when I exited with a 'CPM'. This is what I did and what happened: Opened ASCII capture file 'TRNSCRPT' Recorded ~5k characters Stopped record with -'U'nsave Did a couple MODEM2 file tranfers Logged out of remote and exited MEX with 'CPM' I did get the message 'saving TRNSCRPT' upon leaving MEX, but the file contained only ~200 characters. I've had the problem before and usually solve it by 'WRT' the transcript before exiting. (Forgot to do it this time however.) I don't know if the MODEM2 tranfer had anything to do with it. 2. A second incident came about when I was attempting the transfer a whole batch of keystrings from one version of MEX to another. Easy, I thought, just save FILE.KEY from one and load FILE.KEY from the other. However, I kept getting a 'syntax error' on the load command. I tracked it down to the '/' character in one of the keystrings. (The use of the back slash '/' character is documented in the manual but not in the on-line help file, or at least not under LOAD/SAVE or STRINGS.) If the keystring has a single back slash as in 'KEY A="cd usr/anywhere/anywhat^M" the SAVE command saves it with single backslash. But when the LOAD command reads the key file it expects to see double back slashes. Therefore, I suggest the SAVE command save the file in a form that the LOAD command could read it. 3. (Not really a bug but annoying) Occasionally during MODEM2 file transfers MEX will end the transfer with a "File Transfer Aborted" without any mention of NAK's, retries, or other errors. It usually only occurs which downloading long, >50k transfers (naturally!), and with otherwise clean lines (very few NAK's). It has not occured during uploads. The remote host goes on sending blocks after MEX has aborted until the remote computer (I use umodem on the remote unix machine) times out. It is almost as if the local user had typed an ^C to abort the transfer. Has this been reported before or is it maybe hardware related? I've not had this problem with MDM7 when I used it. I am using the MXO-NS11 overlay for the second serial port on my NorthStar Horizon. Otherwise, MEX is fine. I much prefer it over MDM7 as the command interface is closer to how I naturally think. And the read command is great! - as umodem doesn't allow batch transfers, I ended up using a read file for a psuedo batch transfer of all the zcpr3.com files. 50-some files in 60 minutes! I couldn't possibly type the command lines fast enough to do that, even if I have enough concentration to jump on the prompts as soon as they appeared. -bob bloom 1-Mar-85 12:28:54-MST,724;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 1 Mar 85 12:28:42-MST Received: from xerox.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a014349; 27 Feb 85 8:06 EST Received: from Chelois.ms by ArpaGateway.ms ; 27 FEB 85 05:06:27 PST Date: Wed, 27 Feb 85 08:06 EST From: Kushall.henr@XEROX.ARPA Subject: Re: Another NULU11 bug In-reply-to: <8502202154.AA29719@a.ARPA> To: Richard Thomsen cc: info-cpm-request@AMSAA.ARPA Resent-Date: Fri, 1 Mar 85 13:51:25 EST Resent-From: cpmlist@AMSAA.ARPA Resent-To: info-cpm@XEROX.ARPA After you unsqueeze the documentation copy it over with pip using the [z] option this should fix the character set problem. ED Kushall 1-Mar-85 12:42:18-MST,624;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 1 Mar 85 12:42:11-MST Received: from su-star.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a025953; 1 Mar 85 14:05 EST Date: 1 Mar 85 11:01:00 PST From: "R. MEIER" Subject: thanks for help with ftp To: info-cpm Reply-To: "R. MEIER" Info-Cpm, Thank you for your help with ftp'ing files from simtel20. The solution was simply using the "tenex" mode and not the "binary" mode that I had used. Both lar.c and sq107.c/usq107.c work on the resulting files. Bob ------ 2-Mar-85 00:14:37-MST,2779;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 2 Mar 85 00:14:26-MST Received: from brl-aos.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a003119; 2 Mar 85 1:48 EST Received: from simtel20.arpa by BRL-AOS.ARPA id a012874; 2 Mar 85 1:45 EST Date: 1 Mar 1985 23:44 MST (Fri) Message-ID: From: Ron Fowler To: info-cpm@BRL.ARPA Subject: [RFOWLER: Minor Mex112 bugs] Date: Friday, 1 March 1985 23:39-MST From: Ron Fowler To: Robert Bloom AMSTE-TOI 3775 cc: rfowler at SIMTEL20 Re: Minor Mex112 bugs I believe I have the lost character problem tracked: do you have an abnormally large TPA? If STAT BUFFER shows a buffer size >32K, then then MEX gets mixed up. It seems to be caused by one of the disk write sector counters being limited to 8 bits. This only shows up in the larges of systems. An interim fix (until I can get out from under my current workload and issue an update): use MEXPATCH to create a *real big* phone directory (increase it until STAT buffer drops below 32K). The '/' problem with keystrings is an algorthm error in the keystring readback routine; it needs re-writing, and will get it in the next rev. In the meantime, I believe that temporarily redefining the keystring with two '/' characters -- which requires that you type four, actually -- just prior to saving the .KEY file will work. I This, of course, is a *real* pain if you have a lot of keystrings with slashes in them. The only download error that doesn't draw a diagnostic is the out-of-sync problem: typically, a NAK from the receiver gets permuted into an ACK; the sender begins sending the succeeding record, MEX has missed the record it NAKKED, and there is no provision in the protocol to back up. MEX knows it can't recover from this, and simply branches to the ABORT routine. Next time I'll make it print "fatal sync error" or somesuch. Note that the latter problem occurs most commonly when transfers are taking place through a network (or interrupt driven sender). GZ @MC explained why this is so a couple of years ago, but the details of her explanation escape me right now. I hope to roll a better protocol for MEX 2+<.something>, based on extensions of the old ... Thanks for reporting the problems so thoroughly! Often, I get things like "SENDOUT doesn't work right", with not clue as to what exactly doesn't work (in case you're wondering, the problem with SENDOUT occurs in overlays that loop on status-false in the input-modem-port routine; this routine should either return 0 if it can't read the modem port for some reason, or perferably, return the last character seen). --Ron 2-Mar-85 03:16:00-MST,1050;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 2 Mar 85 03:15:55-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id aa03365; 2 Mar 85 4:52 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a004594; 2 Mar 85 4:42 EST From: Peter Harrison%MIS Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm,net.micro.apple Subject: Supercalc tax templates: does anyone have 1984 version? Message-ID: <456@ucsfcgl.UUCP> Date: 28 Feb 85 17:13:30 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.cpm:4023 net.micro.apple:1804 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA I used the 1983 version that a friend got from a bulletin board. Does anyone have the new ones? I will gladly mail a disk and postage to you, or perhaps post them in net.sources? Peter Harrison UUCP: ucbvax!ucsfcgl!harrison ucbvax!ucsfmis!harrison ARPA: ucsfcgl!harrison@berkeley.arpa ucsfmis!harrison@berkeley.arpa Phone: (415) 921-5060 US Post: 22 Terra Vista, #A2, San Francisco, CA 95115 or A-16, UCSF, San Francisco, CA 94143 2-Mar-85 03:16:29-MST,688;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 2 Mar 85 03:16:24-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a003365; 2 Mar 85 4:52 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a004590; 2 Mar 85 4:42 EST From: Peter Harrison%MIS Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: MOV transient protectors - correction Message-ID: <455@ucsfcgl.UUCP> Date: 28 Feb 85 16:51:38 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.cpm:4022 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA There was a great article in Byte about a year ago by Steve Ciarcia that had diagrams, parts lists etc. for bulilding your own protection for c. $15. 2-Mar-85 10:04:19-MST,3407;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 2 Mar 85 10:04:09-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a004580; 2 Mar 85 11:28 EST Date: 2 Mar 1985 09:28 MST (Sat) Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: SIMTEL20 new file list for 11-Feb to 2-Mar The following is a list of new files added to SIMTEL20's MICRO: directories between 11-Feb-85 and 2-Mar-85. A complete listing of all files is available as MICRO:CPM.CRCLST. MICRO: MLOAD24.AQM.1 BINARY 24064 585AH MICRO: MINROOT.C.1 ASCII 1061 18C1H MICRO: WILDEX20.CQ.1 BINARY 5248 0D5DH MICRO: LOCKER.LBR.1 BINARY 8192 3154H MICRO: TS430S.REVIEW.1 ASCII 5165 B728H MICRO: FANCYPRT.LBR.1 BINARY 136448 1CDBH MICRO: MLOAD24.AQM.1 BINARY 24064 585AH MXO-NA1.AQM.1 BINARY 9472 AE31H MICRO: RCPM-059.LQT.1 BINARY 39552 BA91H MICRO: KERMT405.LBR.1 BINARY 322176 3A8DH PIPMODEM.DOC.1 ASCII 6914 4349H PIPMODM2.ASM.1 ASCII 3123 F4BAH MICRO: M740FT.MOD.1 ASCII 2362 2BB2H MICRO: OSDTR.TXT.1 ASCII 3135 3DD3H MICRO: XMDM105.LBR.1 BINARY 97408 6628H MICRO: SPELL21.LBR.1 BINARY 114176 9665H SPELL21X.LBR.3 BINARY 121088 5271H MICRO: PT.LQP.1 BINARY 2688 157FH XLBFUN.CQ.1 BINARY 5376 7603H XLBIND.CQ.1 BINARY 1152 F56DH XLCONT.CQ.1 BINARY 4224 8807H XLDMEM.CQ.1 BINARY 4736 40F4H XLEVAL.CQ.1 BINARY 5760 A2B0H XLFIO.CQ.1 BINARY 6656 0727H XLFTAB.CQ.1 BINARY 3200 7EC6H XLINIT.CQ.1 BINARY 1792 AB12H XLIO.CQ.1 BINARY 2432 9D82H XLISP.CQ.1 BINARY 1408 AF8BH XLISP.HQ.1 BINARY 4096 7B9CH XLISP.MQM.1 BINARY 24576 4BDDH XLISP12.FIX.1 ASCII 462 7384H XLISP12.LBR.1 BINARY 117504 E343H XLLIST.CQ.1 BINARY 12160 068EH XLMATH.CQ.1 BINARY 4480 E2B3H XLOBJ.CQ.1 BINARY 11648 B221H XLPRIN.CQ.1 BINARY 2432 EE6FH XLREAD.CQ.1 BINARY 5760 EAA1H XLSTR.CQ.1 BINARY 3200 B91FH XLSTUB.CQ.1 BINARY 384 C441H XLSUBR.CQ.1 BINARY 2048 7336H XLSYM.CQ.1 BINARY 3584 27F6H XLSYS.CQ.1 BINARY 2304 FC85H MICRO: Z3NEWS.105.1 ASCII 13056 B1BCH MICRO: Z3NEWS.105.1 ASCII 13056 B1BCH --Keith 2-Mar-85 14:07:08-MST,752;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 2 Mar 85 14:07:05-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a005408; 2 Mar 85 15:33 EST Date: 2 Mar 1985 13:32 MST (Sat) Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: SIMTEL20 CPM directory list updated MICRO:CPM.CRCLST on SIMTEL20 (the file listing all the filenames, sizes and CRCs of the MICRO directories) has been updated as of today. If you cannot FTP it, and you are not already on the list to receive it via netmail, send a note to W8SDZ@SIMTEL20 asking to be added to the list. --Keith 2-Mar-85 14:31:43-MST,67142;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 2 Mar 85 14:29:12-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a005193; 2 Mar 85 14:26 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a002873; 2 Mar 85 14:09 EST From: cavanaugh Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: RCPM-059.LST of all known Remote CP/M systems Message-ID: <254@savax.UUCP> Date: 1 Mar 85 21:38:46 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.cpm:4025 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA > Here is RCPM-059.LST. > --cut here-- > > > >>> Remote CP/M Software Exchange Systems List # 59 <<< > >>> 02/24/85 revision by Kim Levitt <<< > > The Remote CP/M Software Exchange Systems List is a collaborative > work of Jud Newell, Kim Levitt, and Steve Sanders. Editors and pub- > lishers please note this list is (c) 1984 and the authors must be con- > tacted prior to any reproduction (partial or whole) of this list in > any book, magazine, or periodical that is sold on a COMMERCIAL basis. > > A summary of all operating Remote CP/M software exchange systems which > use Christensen protocol, (XMODEM), for file transfers and are > available to the general public for the exchange of public domain > software. (This list also includes PC/MS-DOS, Unix and other non-CP/M > systems, provided that they support XMODEM protocol for file transfers > and have public domain software available for downloading.) (Packet > radio based systems which support file transfers of public domain > software and text files are also listed, although they do not support > XMODEM protocol (as packet radio protocol makes XMODEM unecessary).) > > NOTE: This list is updated monthly, please use the most recent to > avoid ill-placed calls. Lists are published on a rotating schedule > beginning with the current author (see above) and continuing to the > next on the list: Jud Newell, Kim Levitt, Steve Sanders, Jud, etc... > Lists are usually put out around the 15th-20th of each month, but the > actual date may be different, check with the next scheduled author. > > NEXT THREE LISTS >>>> 60 - Steve Sanders 03-85 / 61 - Jud Newell 04-85 > 62 - Kim Levitt 05-85 / (Full verification will be done with List #61) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > SPECIAL NOTICE TO SYSOPS: Please inform Kim, Jud or Steve of any > changes in your system to avoid being removed from the list, which is > verified periodically. If your system is no longer functioning, please > have a friend modem a message so your system can be deleted. ALL > SYSTEM OPERATORS, see note number 8 at the end of this file for > important details on maintaining your spot on this list. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Send update information to: > > Kim Levitt - MBBS HEADQUARTERS RCP/M - (213) 653-6398 > [Upload a text file using XMODEM and/or leave comment on exiting] > or > Jud Newell - TORONTO RCP/M SYSTEMS - > (416) 232-0442, 232-0269, 232-0269, 231-0538, 231-1262, 232-1470 > 231-9202, 231-8078, Also available via Tymnet or Telenet > [Leave comments on exiting system] > or > Steve Sanders - DataCom Network RCP/M Systems - > (813) 937-3608, (813) 937-6829, (404) 632-2109 > [Leave comments on exiting system] > > (See file NEW-SYS.OPS on most RCP/M Systems for required information.) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Unless indicated otherwise, all systems are up 24 hours/7 days with no > callback. Non-24 hour systems have hours of operation listed after > sysop's name, callback systems have a "cb" before phone number. (NOTE: > "(no ans if in use)" for "hours" means system is up 24 hrs unless in > in use by the system operator locally.) > > Systems charging fees have a dollar sign "$" after phone number. Some > systems may restrict "first-time" users, be sure to read the opening > info files when accessing a new system. > > Baud Rates: (shown after sysop name/hrs) > 1=110 / 3=300 / 4=450 / 6=600 / 7=710 > B=Bell 212A 1200 / V=Vadic 1200 / C=CCITT V.22 bis 2400 > (e.g.: PMMI = 1-7 (110 thru 710 baud), 300/1200 212A = 3B, 300 = 3) > > Disk Capacity: (total disk space shown after baud rates) > K=Kilobytes / M=Megabytes > > Verification Codes: (shown at end of entries which have been verified) > V=Verified / NA=No Answer / NN=New Number (date verified follows) > (systems verified by carrier or busy, no answer systems removed > from next list unless system existance is re-confirmed) > > (See notes at end of list for more information) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > =========== > [NORTHEAST] > > [Connecticut] > Xerox East RCP/M RBBS ............................... (203) 232-3180 > Dave Shefelbine; (3B;10M); General Interest and Xerox 820-II > programs. (Hartford) (V:10/84) > Connecticut Micro Decision UG ....................... (203) 445-5019 > Steven Landers; (3;800K); CP/M software, CPMUG, Osborne, Morrow, > technical help (V:10/84) > Lower Naugatuck Valley RCP/M-BBS .................... (203) 736-6801 > Jim McGuire & Tony Bunosso; (3B;1960K); Mbasic-CP/M games, > online adventure game, RCPM programs; (Must have Sysop approval > for CP/M access.) (Derby) (V:2/85) > > [Maine] > Bath-Brunswick RCP/M ................................ (207) 443-4657 > Henry Trujillo; (3;20M); Apple CP/M public domain, dBase II, > TURBO PASCAL; MACINTOSH software; BBS free, must register first > before acessing CP/M. (V:2/85) > > [Massachusetts] > Heathkit RCP/M ...................................... (617) 237-1511 > Dan Gentile; (3B;10M); software for H-8, H/Z89, H/Z100, H/Z150, > ZCPR2, MSDOS, IBM; (system is H120); (Wellesley) (V:10/84) > Andover Cnode ....................................... (617) 470-2548 > Layne DuBose; (1-7;18M); All C User's Group volumes on-line, > plus best of CPMUG. Also some Osborne, RS M100, 8088/8086 > software; (Andover) (V:10/84) > WayStar Fido BBS .................................... (617) 481-7147 > Kevin Porter; (3B;10M); DEC Rainbow system; MS-DOS 2.05; public > domain software for DEC and IBM users; support for TELINK, MDM7, > and XMODEM protocols; (Marlborough) (V:10/84) > Daves-FIDO .......................................... (617) 632-1861 > David Rene; (3B;10M); DEC Rainbow system w/MSDOS 2.05.02; > software for DEC and some IBM; running v10A of FIDO (V:11/84) > Newton Centre BigBoard .............................. (617) 965-7259 > Sage Microsystems East; (3B;2M); Logon Password "BIGBOARD". Runs > on Ferguson Bigboard I. Technical board concentrating on CP/M80 > programming and software issues and on the ZCPR software system. > Proprietary areas for the distribution and support of the Sage > Microsystems Products. > > [New York] > New York Apple CP/M Group (NYACPMG) RCPM ............ (212) 989-2696 $ > Larry Clive; (no ans if in use); (3B;10M); Apple/Vanilla CP/M, > dBase II; BBS free, RCP/M has $15 fee; (Manhattan) (V:10/84) > Remote CP/M Facility of Dolgeville, NY ........... cb (315) 429-8185 > Peter A. Polansky; (346B;500K); 8086, 68000; (system is down > temporarily due to hard disk problems as of 11/18/84) > CNY Technical RCP/M ................................. (315) 437-4890 > Mark Howard; M-F 5P-8A, wknd 24 hrs; (3B;52M); CP/M Plus User's > Group (CP-PLUG) host system; also Apple & Kaypro software; > technical assistance RBBS; (Syracuse) (V:10/84) > CNY RBBS/RCP/M ...................................... (315) 446-7793 > Thomas Karkowski; (3B;10M). New users may log on to apply for > password & will be notified of password within 1 week. 1000's of > public domain programs available. (Syracuse) (V:10/84) > Connection-80 TPM (RTPM) ............................ (516) 567-8267 > Tom Vande-Stouwe; (3B;30M); Epson QX-10 and Osborne software > (FOG Library on line); also the message base for the Long Island > Osborne Network; (Long Island) (V:10/84) > LIKUG (Long Island Kaypro User's Group) RCP/M ....... (516) 825-8465 > Murray Simsolo; (3B;10M); Kaypro 10 w/ZCPR3; interest in ZCPR3 > (most avail), Kaypro & Osborne s/w. (Valley Stream) (NN:2/85) > Johnson City, NY SJBBS .............................. (607) 797-6416 > Charles ?last name?; Eves, etc.; (3;2M); (Upstate NY) (V:10/84) > Sparrow CBBS ........................................ (716) 377-1113 > Jim Dunn; (3B;2.3M); on Lobo Max-80, ZCPR2; Interests: MAX-80, > Xerox 820-II, BDS C, utilities; Rochester area computer access > info; (Fairport) (V:10/84) > C U R A #2 IBM RBBS-PC .............................. (718) 624-9141 > Brian Callahan; (3B;10M); PCDOS, MSDOS, running RBBS-PC 1.22c; > (NOTE: New 718 area code!) (Fort Greene, Brooklyn) (V:10/84) > C U R A #3 NY Kaypro Users Group BBS ............... (718) 624-9148 > Brian Callahan; (3B;10M); (Fort Greene) (V:10/84) > C U R A #1 RBBS-RCP/M ............................... (718) 625-5931 > Brian Callahan; (3B;10M); Kaypro, Osborne, Zram, Softbox; > (Fort Greene, Brooklyn) (V:10/84) > Bearsville Town SJBBS ............................... (914) 679-6559 > Hank Szyszka; (1-7;4M); (Upstate NY) (V:10/84) > Woodstock RCP/M RBBS ................................ (914) 679-8734 > John Doak; (3B;17M); 14 Software categories can be USER mounted > on Drive D:; Osborne, Heath, IBMPC, dBase, Modem, Utils, etc; > In continuous operation since 8/81. (SE NY) (V:10/84) > S.D.V. RBBS RCP/M ................................... (914) 769-2970 > Richie Cawley; (3B;20M); logical drives A-F, user areas 0-5 > available; (Osborne 1 w/ext. 20MB disk); (Downstate NY) (V:10/84) > Unix Bulletin Board ................................. (914) 786-3705 > Bruce Boardman, John Walsh; (3B;15M); Break key toggles baud rate > at login. System supports xmodem. All interested in 'C' and Unix > are welcome. (Stony Point) (V:10/84) > > [Ontario, Canada] > Willowdale CBBS ..................................... (416) 226-9260 $ > Vic Kass; (3BV;50M); SIG/M, CP/M UG Library PC-SIG, other IBM > Software; (Toronto) (V:10/84) > Toronto Ontario RCP/M Systems ..... (416) 232-0442 232-1149 232-0269 $ > 231-0538 231-1262 232-1470 231-9202, 231-8078 Also via Tymnet > /Telenet; Jud Newell; (3BV;150M); has limited access if not > registered; (9 systems available: Systems 1-3,5,7,8 for CP/M > users, Systems 4, 6, 9 for IBM PC-DOS users, Systems 3 and 8 > are Kaypro network system); Annual $30 fee allows access to all > 9. Over 15,000 programs on-line, with limited membership. > New 92MB hard disk now up. 9 major user groups available on > these systems. Timenet/Telenet access now available. 000's of > programs in our offline library. 2400 baud on one main system. > >>> THESE SYSTEMS ARE ALSO COLLECTION POINTS FOR UPDATES TO THIS > LIST. PLEASE SEND THE INFO. AS A COMMENT ON LEAVING SYSTEM. > (SYSOPS: See NEW-SYS.OPS for information on to obtain access to > these systems at no charge.) (V:10/84) > > [Quebec, Canada] > Montreal RCP/M ...................................... (514) 481-6329 > Pierre Benard; M-F 6P-8A, wknd 24 hrs; (3;1M) (V:10/84) > > [Rhode Island] > Providence RCP/M ................................. cb (401) 751-5025 > Mark Rippe; 10A Sat-10P Sun; (3;1.2M); Msg system down. (V:10/84) > > [Vermont] > Sugarbush EpsonNet .................................. (802) 496-4123 > Ted Jerome, (3B;??) Epson Computers, CP/M, TPM, Valdocs, commun- > ications, Turbo pascal. Users auto-validated on 2nd call. > > ============== > [EAST CENTRAL] > > [Maryland] > Cambridge, Maryland RBBS/RCPM ....................... (301) 228-4621 > Al Waller; (3;5M); Software Exchange, Ham Radio, Communications; > (Maryland's Eastern Shore) (V:10/84) > Pikesville RBBS/RCPM ................................ (301) 484-2831 > John Madill; (3?;??); DEC, Rainbow, IBM-PC; Sponsored by local > Computerland store; (Baltimore) (V:10/84) > BHEC RBBS/RCPM ...................................... (301) 661-2175 > Paul Matlin, Hampton Childress, Charlie Schnepf; (34B;10M); Now > semi-private. Full access requires authorization. (Baltimore) > St. Mary's College RCP/M ............................ (301) 863-7165 > Jonathan Crawford; (3B;20M); Epson QX10 system; Features special > interest sections for different computers, educational programs; > (St. Mary's City) (V:11/84) > Southern Maryland RBBS/RCPM System .................. (301) 884-2395 > Kurt & Lyn Vonder Hulls; (3B;??K); (Mechanicsville) (V:10/84) > Microcomputer Electronic Information Exchange ....... (301) 948-5718 > John Junod, Lynne Rosenthal; (3;64K); (Gaithersburg) (V:10/84) > > [New Jersey] > CP/M-NET(tm) EAST ................................... (201) 249-0691 > Harry & Al; (3B;40M); If database is full, call back the next > day; (NOTE: No message system) (Piscataway) (V:10/84) > RIBBS of Cranford, New Jersey ....................... (201) 272-1874 > Bruce Ratoff; (1-7,B on request;3M); bulletin board of SIG/M, > (Special Interest Group/Microcomputers, ACGNJ) (V:10/84) > KUGNJ1 RBBS Atlantic Highlands, NJ .................. (201) 291-8319 > George Frankle; (3B;400K,(10M soon)); RBBS of Kaypro User Group > of New Jersey; Password="KUGNJ1"; (Atlantic Highlands) (V:10/84) > Flanders, NJ RCPM ................................... (201) 584-9227 > Ken Stritzel; (3B,1-7 on request;26M); Latest SIG/M releases > (V:10/84) > The C-Line .......................................... (201) 625-1797 > David Fiedler; M-F 8P-9A, wknd 24 hrs; (1-7;2M); UNIX/UNIX-like > systems, C software; (Northwest NJ) (V:11/84) > Lyra Information Exchange ........................... (201) 625-5728 > Alex Sass; (3B;366k); Osborne I; interests: Osborne, Kaypro, > IBM-PC, C, UNIX, technical help on above; more storage soon; > (Rockaway) (V:10/84) > DEC-Ware II Fido BBS ................................ (201)-750-3748 > David Horowitz; (3B,5M); Dec Rainbow 100B+; MS-DOS 2.05 Public > Domain for Rainbow, generic MS-DOS, CP/M 80 and 86. Recent SIG/M > and CP/M available on request. FidoNet mail available. > MDC Plainsboro RCP/M-RBBS ........................... (609) 799-6399 > Chuck Murcko; (3B;800K); Morrow & gen'l CP/M interests. (NN:2/85) > > [Pennsylvania] > Allentown RBBS/RCPM System .......................... (215) 398-3937 > Bill Earnest; (1-7BV;35M); Distribution point for SIG/M software, > & BBS for Computer Club of New Jersey (V:10/84) > Compusers RCP/M/BBS ................................. (215) 666-5381 > Mark Rodenhausen, George Ligowski; (3B;10M); Part of Compusers > Users Group of Valley Forge, PA; Xerox related files, all > are welcome; (Valley Forge) (V:10/84) > ChurchBoard BBS ..................................... (215) 932-8829 > Byl Levering; (3B;??); Church related messages (V:10/84) > Greensburg RBBS-RCP/M ............................... (412) 836-8407 > Doug Borko; (3;??); Kaypro related files; (Greensburg) (V:10/84) > Ramblin' Wizard RCP/M (FOG system #10) .............. (717) 657-8699 > George Peace; (no ans if in use); (3B;15M); Registration required > before CP/M access granted; Osborne Executive running BYE3+ and > METAL software; specializing in Executive and CP/M plus software. > (Harrisburg) > State College, PA. CUG-NODE ......................... (814) 238-4857 > Joe Shannon; (3;3M) (V:10/84) > > [Virginia] > BCIS RCP/M & RBBS ................................... (703) 281-7907 > Bruce Childers; (3B;1.2M); S-100, Kaypro; (Oakton, Wash DC area) > (V:10/84) > Springfield RCP/M ................................... (703) 644-2299 > Roger Donais; (3B;10M); Kaypro, Osborne, Morrow (V:10/84) > The Flying Circus RCP/M ............................. (703) 759-6627 > Mike Levy; (3B;10M); Kaypro, SIGM, CPMUG; (Great Falls) (V:10/84) > RCP/M-EOV ........................................... (804) 480-5846 > Steve Read; M-F 6P-11P, (try anytime wknds); (3B;22M); CompuPro, > Dbase, ZCPR2, ZCPR3, RCP/M interests (Norfolk) (V:10/84) > PENsula Kaypro Users Group RBBS ..................... (804) 838-1645 > Robert Dix; (3B;10M); Kaypro 10 running ZCPR2; access limited > until verified (free); active BBS & downloads (Hampton) (V:10/84) > OxGate-007 Grafton VA ............................... (804) 898-7493 > Dave Holmes; (1-7;5.2M); CP/M, TRS-80 & Apple; (Tidewater) > (V:10/84) > > [Washington D.C.] > Computer Connections RCP/M .......................... (202) 547-2008 > Robert Blacher; (3B;15.4M); Morrow MD2 w/15mb hard drive; > interests in communications, word proc, disk utils, UNIX and > MS-DOS software on-line (V:10/84) > Executive Communications Microcomputer Network ...... (202) 633-0804 > 633-0805, 633-0806; Bruce Childers, Jon Albers; (3B;15M); three > CompuStars running CP/M 2.2 w/ZCPR & sharing 15MB of 96MB EMDACS > system. 0804 & 0806 have CP/M-80, 0805 has CP/M-86, MS-DOS & UNIX > (V:10/84) > > ========= > [MIDWEST] > > [Illinois] > Logan Square RCP/M .................................. (312) 252-2136 > Earl Bockenfeld; (1-7;1M); Special interest databases. Daily > change on B; (Chicago) (V:10/84) > RCP/M PLUS .......................................... (312) 326-4392 > Dick Lieber; (3B;??M); ???? (V:10/84) > Palatine RCP/M ...................................... (312) 359-8080 > Tim Cannon; (3B;4.8M); Disks on B, C & D are changed daily; > (Chicago area) (V:10/84) > Xerox Midwest RCPM/RBBS ............................. (312) 384-0013 > David Lowy; (12A-6P, other hrs no ans if in use); (3B;980K); > Mainly for Xerox PC users, but all welcome. Password required > for system access; (Xerox 820-II system); (Chicago) (V:10/84) > Chicago Attache' User's Group RCP/M ................. (312) 397-6888 > Donald Larson; (no ans if in use); (3B;1.54M); communications, > Otrona Attache' software. (V:10/84) > C.A.S.A.T. CBBS ..................................... (312) 443-3744 > John Manning; (3;2.5M); Art, sound synthesis, video, analog & > digital image processing, telecommunications, robotics; Located > at the Center for Advanced Studies in Art and Technology at the > School of the Art Institute of Chicago, this CBBS has been > created to promote exchange between artists and all interested > parties in the use of technology in art.; (Chicago) (V:10/84) > Glen Ellyn West Suburban RCP/M ...................... (312) 469-2597 > Jim Mills; (36B;3.6M); (Chicago area) (V:10/84) > AIMS, Hinsdale, Ill ................................. (312) 789-0499 > Mark Pulver; (1-7B;10M); running PMMI & Hayes 1200 modems, 1200 > detect at 2nd CR then 3 sec to switch modems; (Chicago) (V:10/84) > Smokin' Silicon RCP/M ............................... (312) 941-0049 > John Sojak; (3B;45M); (Chicago area) (V:10/84) > > [Indiana] > Bloomington RCPM/RBBS ............................... (812) 334-0609 > Bob Jacobs; (3B;2M); (4 c/rs to bring up sys); public domain > software, amateur radio (satellite). (V:10/84) > > [Kansas] > Wichita RBBS/RCPM ................................... (316) 682-9093 > George Winters; 8P Fri-11P Sun; (3B;300K); member of FOG OPEK > (Osborne Portable Enthusiasts of Kansas) chapter. (V:10/84) > Mission, KA RCPM .................................... (913) 362-9583 > Bill Parrott; (3B;7M); Heath/DG Super 89 system (V:10/84) > Epson-Net Kansas City ............................... (913) 642-8479 > Mike Russell; M-F 6P-8A, wknd 24 hrs; (3B;??K); affiliated with > EpsonNet International User's Group; Running RBBS/RTPM on QX- > 10. (Leawood) (V:10/84) > AlphaNet RCP/M RBBS ................................. (913) 843-4259 > Larry Miller; 6P-9A daily; (3;700K); B drive changes daily; > (Lawrence) (V:10/84) > > [Michigan] > SBC's Channel 85 RBBS ............................... (313) 360-2050 > Mike Buffmyer, Russ Glover; (3B;780K); Kaypro IV; system is > operated by Small Business Computers, Inc.; Union Lake (Detroit > area) (Now supporting 1200 baud as of 10/24/84) (V:11/84) > PCUTILboard (FIDOnode #92) .......................... (313) 393-0527 > Jon Tara; (no ans if in use); (3B;40M); Utilities and UNIX-like > tools for IBM-PC/MS-DOS. ARPA digests available for download. > Usenet gateway planned. Separate PCGAMESboard, PCAPPboard are > planned. (Detroit area) (V:11/84) > MINICBBS/Sorcerer's Apprentice Group ................ (313) 535-9186 > Bob Hageman; (1-7;500K); Sorcerer software and hardware; > (Detroit area) (V:10/84) > Farmington Hills RCP/M - RBBS ....................... (313) 553-9274 > Matt Weisberg; (3B;2.37M); Kaypro; (Detroit area) (NN:2/85) > Birmingham MI RCP/M ................................. (313) 646-1565 > Harold Blaisdell; (3B;900K); primarily Xerox-820 users (V:11/84) > Tony's Corner RBBS .................................. (313) 754-1131 > Tony Bauman; (3B;???K); TRS-80 Model I system (V:10/84) > Royal Oak CP/M ...................................... (313) 759-6569 > Bob Clyne, Keith Petersen; (346BV;26M); MiniCBBS available but > main purpose is file transfer; (Detroit area) (V:10/84) > Technical CBBS ...................................... (313) 846-6127 > Dave Hardy; (1-7;3M); RCPM sysops desiring access to passworded > RCPM Clearinghouse sys should leave msg here; (Detroit) (V:11/84) > Kalamazoo RCP/M ..................................... (616) 342-4062 > Eric Schreur; (3;??); North Star Horizon system; interests > Earth Sciences, Astronomy, Geology, Oceanography, & Meteorology; > After first login users can access CP/M. (V:10/84) > CCBBS&F R/MS-DOS .................................... (616) 947-0301 > Bill Mania; eves & wknds (no ans if in use); (3B;300K); running > on AT&T PC; interests: Modula-2, LISP, UNIX & tech. subjects. > (NN:2/85) > Grand Traverse RCP/M ................................ (616) 947-1246 > Bill Jungers; (3B;10M); Kaypro, Franklin/Apple, Televideo; > A member of the Kaypro Network; (Grand Traverse) (V:10/84) > > [Minnesota] > Anoka Technical RBBS ................................ (612) 427-7774 > Phil Forseth; (3B;752K); Epson, CP/M, General, Communications > (V:10/84) > > [Missouri] > SLHUG RCP/M-RBBS .................................... (314) 291-1854 $ > John Griffith; (3B:10M); H-89 system; CP/M and ZDOS; annual $15 > fee; (V:10/84) > FIDO-Net 022 DECUS PCLUG ............................ (314) 576-2743 > Ken Kaplan; (3B;10M); DEC Rainbow 100+ System, MS-DOS 2.05; > public domain software for DEC PC Users; TELINK, MODEM7/XMODEM > protocols supported; KERMIT support(?); (St. Louis) (V:10/84) > KAY-PER NET ......................................... (816) 734-2717 > Ron Smith; (no ans if in use); (3B;8M); Kaypro 10 running K-NET > 84 (tm) RBBS-RCPM System; Call, leave name and password, then > call back later to gain access. (Kansas City) (V:11/84) > > [Nebraska] > OBBS RCP/M (RBBS) ................................... (402) 346-4206 > James Whorton; (no ans if in use); (3B;1M); Osborne/general > CP/M; drive B: changed frequently; Home of TPBBS (Turbo Pascal > BBS). (Omaha) (V:10/84) > Omaha Area CP/M User's Group (OACPMUG) .............. (402) 551-8027 > Charles Capps; (3B;20M); Imsai system; Huge Public Domain > library on 16mb hard disk; (Omaha) (V:10/84) > > [Ohio] > Art's Archives RBBS/RCPM ............................ (216) 282-3423 > Art Petkosek; (no ans if in use); (3B;10M); communications, S-100, > Heath, IBM, general; (Lorain) (V:10/84) > Cleveland RCP/M ..................................... (216) 941-2488 > Peter Petto; (3B;??K); (Bay Village) (V:10/84) > Dayton RCPM/RBBS .................................... (513) 256-7227 > Dave Robling; (1-7;1M); (Dayton) (V:10/84) > C.O.R.E. (Central Ohio Remote) RCP/M RBBS ........... (614) 864-2673 > Rich Rodeheaver; (3B;8M); CP/M, MBASIC interests; Xerox 820II; > CP/M PW=RAVEN; (Reynoldsburg (Columbus area)) (V:10/84) > > [Oklahoma] > CFP RBBS ............................................ (405) 234-9574 > Mike Wheeler. (3B,20M). Many CP/M files. Good for all users. > RBBS 12.2, user groups get more control of system than normal > users. (Enid) (V:10/84) > > [Wisconsin] > Fort Fone File Folder ............................... (414) 563-9932 > Al Jewer, Ron Fowler, Bill Whitford; (3B;40M); MEX program > support, CP/M utilities, BDSC, Voice I/O, ZCPR3 & more; (Type > WALLCHRT for system layout after exiting BBS); (Ft. Atkinson) > North Central RCP/M ................................. (715) 362-3444 > Ryugen Fisher; (3B;?K); Running on a NEC PC8801. Oriented to > help users of all NEC models. Programs from Japan as well as > usual public domain programs. (Rhinelander) > > ======= > [SOUTH] > > [Alabama] > PIN Headquarters RCP/M .............................. (205) 881-3800 > John Mueller; (12A-8A daily); (3;392K); General Interest, Several > sub-boards, ZCPR-2. (Huntsville) (V:11/84) > CP/M User's Group RCPM .............................. (205) 882-1140 > Jim Offenbecher; (no ans if in use); (3B;2.5M); General Interest, > CPM UG & SIG/M libraries. (Huntsville) (V:11/84) > Alabama RCP/M RBBS .................................. (205) 895-6749 > Don Wilkes; (1-7;700K); (Huntsville) (V:10/84) > > [Florida] > Melbourne RCP/M OXGATE .............................. (305) 259-7955 > Rick Myers & Alex Soya; (3B;23M); on CompuPro 8-16 system; Infor- > mation exchange re: hardware problems & fixes, especially S-100; > Interest in CPM86 & CPM68K software; (Melbourne) (V:10/84) > Astronomer's RBBS & RCPM ............................ (305) 268-8576 > Chuck Cole; (no ans if in use); (3B;492K); Astronomy/science: > CFAS, AAVSO, ISRG, IAPPP, SERAL, & CANDL; (Titusville) (V:10/84) > Sanctuary ........................................... (305) 335-2227 > Chris DeBracy; (3B;10M); Kaypro 10 - K-NET 84 (tm) RCP/M system. > Interests: Communications, Turbo Pascal, RCP/M + ZCPR2 & 3. > INFOCOM software demo'ed and sold. Extensive PD. (Port St Lucie) > (V:10/84) > Southern Micro RCPM ................................. (305) 625-3181 > Jim Wright; (3B;20M); Interests in ZCPR2, running LUX; drives > A: thru H:, User 0 thru 3 available. (Miami) (V:10/84) > Orlando, Florida TBBS RCP/M System................... (305) 677-8086 > Larry Snyder; (3BCV;24M); CompuPro, communications, spreadsheets, > dBase II, C-86, CPM816, MPM816, Concurrent DOS; limited access > without membership. 2400 baud available on a trial basis. > Melbourne Beach CRCP/M GOLIATH ...................... (305) 727-0331 > Alex Soya; (3BC;52M); Concurrent RCP/M on CompuPro 8-16 system. > Interests: CPM86, CPM68K & Concurrent CPM. (Melbourne) (NN:2/85) > Tampa RCP/M ......................................... (813) 831-7276 > Charlie Hoffman; (3B;20M); New 20MB hard disk; Interest in 'C'; > SIG/M-CPMUG releases; Tampa Bay CP/M User's Group. (V:10/84) > Griffith's System ................................... (813) 831-8873 > Joe Griffith; (3B;3M); CP/M Utilities, communications programs, > games and also feeds through to a remote OS-9 system. (V:10/84) > DataCOM Network RCP/M #1 ............................ (813) 937-3608 $ > Steve Sanders; (3BV;20M); S-100 system in single-user mode now, > soon to be multi-user with more on-line storage; all the latest > public domain; members have access to all 3 DataCOM systems for > 1 fee of $30/year. Programs for CP/M-80, 86, PC/MS-DOS, Turbo > Pascal, ZCPR3. (Tampa Bay) (V:2/85) > DataCOM Network RCP/M #2 ............................ (813) 937-6829 $ > Steve Sanders; (3B;10M); Kaypro 10 running K-NET 84(tm) RBBS-RCPM > software; soon to be a user port of the big S-100 currently > running system #1; huge PD library; all ZCPR3 & MEX files plus > Kaypro-specific software. ($30/yr. fee) (Tampa Bay) (V:2/85) > >>> NOTE: THIS SYSTEM AND ONE ABOVE ARE ALSO A COLLECTION POINT > FOR UPDATES TO THIS LISTING. PLEASE LEAVE COMMENTS ON EXITING. > Gator Board RCP/M ................................... (904) 378-1006 > Bill Brachold; 7:30P-10A M-F, 5:30P Sat-10A Mon; (3B;20M); > multi-message based system; (Gainesville) (V:10/84) > > [Georgia] > Columbus RBBS/RCPM .................................. (404) 324-7391 > Joe Earls; (3B;10M); Public or private Email; public SIG's for > politics, religion, and swapshop; Xmodem libraries for CP/M, > IBM-PC, C-64, others; registration but no fee. (NN:12/84) > Atlanta RCP/M ....................................... (404) 627-7127 > Jim Altman; (no ans if in use); (3B;227M); Interest in 'C' pgms, > SIG/M Vols 123-199 on-line as of 11/84. (V:11/84) > DataCOM Network RCP/M #3 ............................ (404) 632-2109 $ > Tony & Terry Stanley; (3B;10M); Kaypro 10 running K-NET 84(tm) > software; $30/yr. allows access to all 3 DataCOM systems (2 in > Florida). (Blue Ridge) (V:2/85) > Norcross RCP/M RBBS ................................. (404) 921-1116 > Jim Gooch; (3B;7M); Interest in dBaseII; last drive is working > RAMdisk. (V:2/85) > Kaypro TPBBS ........................................ (404) 923-2580 > Joubert Berger; (3;400K); Interest in Turbo Pascal programs; > member of the Kaypro-Network. (Lilburn) (V:11/84) > > [Kentucky] > Land of Osz RCP/M RBBS .............................. (502) 241-0419 > Curt Edwards; 19-2300 Weekdays, 1100-2300 Weekends; (3,360K). > (Louisville) (NN:10/84) > Ovation Network RCP/M ............................... (606) 266-4532 > Jay Denebeim; (3B;6.2M); Kaypro Lexington User's Group (KLUG); > a KayPro-Network system; (Lexington) (NN:11/84) > CKCS RCP/M BBS ...................................... (606) 299-5948 > Steve Jeffrey, David Reed, Gaige Paulsen, Larry Owens; (3B;??K); > system run by Central Kentucky Computer Society; 4 boards, seven > sections each, various computers supported; weekly magazine > NEWBYTES(tm) by Wendy Woods on-line. (Lexington) (NN:2/85) > > [Louisiana] > Sulphur RCPM/BBS .................................... (318) 527-5680 > Paul Maia; (??,15M). Private System, $25 year. Mbasic/Asm > RCPM/Languages/Programming/Utilities. 2 Week trial membership > is availablel to non-members. Password required. > Bossier RCP/M ....................................... (318) 747-6030 > Tom Chandler; (3B;7.6M); CP/M, Utilities, Games, 16 bit software; > registration required to enter board; (Bossier City) (V:10/84) > Redstick RCPM ....................................... (504) 275-7846 > Ken Shutt; (3;1.6M); CP/M+, Operating systems; (Baton Rouge) > (V:11/84) > > [Tennessee] > Cookeville RIBBS, RCPM/RTPM ......................... (615) 528-5039 > Bill George, Joel Seber; (no ans if in use); (3B;10M); Epson > QX-10, MAX-80, Kaypro, IBM, Apple (V:10/84) > The Classy System ................................... (901) 372-2378 > Ben Barton; (no ans if in use); (3B;760K); Epson QX-10 system; > TPMII & CPM interest; registration required before downloads ok; > 2-mode operation, direct Epson QX-10 screen cntrl or standard > display for non-QX10 users; (Memphis) (NN:10/84) > > ============ > [CALIFORNIA] > > [Northern California] > San Jose DataTech Node 007 / Piconet 003 ............ (408) 238-9621 > Al Mehr; (3BV;20M); ZCPR2, CP/MUG, SIG/M, CP/M-86, PC/MS-DOS; > (registration required for access to software exchange) (V:10/84) > Santa Clara RBBS/RCPM ............................... (408) 247-2853 > Jeff King; now 24 hrs; (3;40M); IBM, "C", CPM80, and Pascal > online. (V:10/84) > Oxgate-002 RCP/M Milpitas ........................... (408) 263-2588 > Mel Cruts; (system hrs may be erratic due to heat); (1-7;12M); > (south SF bay area) (V:10/84) > Skyhouse Systems .................................... (408) 296-5078 > Kirk DeHaan; (3B;30M); Application & SASE required for new users. > Send sase with 4 chr password for access to Skyhouse Systems; > 657 Flannery St.; Santa Clara, CA 95051-5544; (V:10/84) > Oxgate Saratoga, CA RBBS-RCP/M ...................... (408) 354-5934 > Chuck Metz & Paul Traina; (3B;20M); Applicants send info and > SASE (for confirmation) to: Oxgate, PO Box 60655, Sunnyvale, > CA 90488. Give NAME (for logon), PASSWORD, ADDRESS, PHONE, > COMPUTER TYPE. (San Jose area) > Potpourri BBS & RCP/M Oxgate-012 .................... (408) 378-7474 > Wayne Masters, Irv Hoff; (3BVC;20M); Leave name & system phone#; > (2400 baud now supported!); (registration required for access to > software exchange); (San Jose) (V:1/85) > OxGate-dBASE II RCP/M Campbell, CA .................. (408) 378-8733 $ > Roger D. Brown; (3B;4M); dBASE II available on-line to demo soft- > ware from independent software developers; system converting to > BBS written in dBASE II; ($40/yr fee); (San Jose area) (V:10/84) > Atlas Micro Associates "MCI" RCP/M-RBBS ............. (408) 379-8086 > Bill Spoolhoff; M-F 7P-10P, wknd 24 hrs; (1-7;2.4M); Investment > software, Dbase II, CB-80; (NOTE: When system unavailable, you > will rcv short VOICE msg & be disconnected); (San Jose) (V:10/84) > SIMMS 001: Silicon Valley Interchange ............... (408) 732-9190 > Ed Svoboda; (36BV;44M); Multi msg bases, 1000's of files online. > Registration required. Optional annual fee: $25. Send SASE 6-chr > ID to: SIMMS HQ, Box 532, Cupertino, CA 95015. (V:10/84) > KAY*FOG RBBS & RCP/M (FOG System #11) ............... (415) 285-2687 > Bond Shands; (3B;10M): (Box 11135, San Francisco, CA 94101); > No fees - registration required; special interests - newcomers > to computing, Kaypro, Osborne, Morrow, and general CP/M. > (V:10/84) > CrosNest II (DataTech Node 014) ..................... (415) 341-9336 > Wilbur H. Smith; (3;2.8M); (Box 962, San Mateo, Ca. 94403); CDOS, > CP/M hardware/software tipes/bulletins/educational utilities & > communications software (SF Bay area) (V:10/84) > RBBS of Marin County ................................ (415) 383-0473 > Jim Ayers; M-F 5P-8:30A, wknd 24 hrs; (1-7;10M); drives A:-E:, > user areas 1-2 w/ SIGM and CP/MUG pgms; (SF bay area) (V:10/84) > ReSource RBBS ....................................... (415) 469-9325 > Stephen Trivoli-Johnson; (??,??). More info needed. > ZCPR3 BBS ........................................... (415) 489-9005 > David McCord; (3B;1.5M); METAL message system; OFFICIAL ZCPR3 > BBS, sponsored by Echelon, Inc. Z3 news and updates. Accessible > to ALL callers, no restrictions. Z3 secure mode implemented on- > line in CP/M. XMODEM, etc. all the usual stuff. (V:11/84) > FW Backus Technical Support BBS ..................... (415) 493-4506 > Andrew Hart; (3B;640K); Tech. support system for F.W. Backus Co. > and dealers; running on Televideo TS-802; (if password requested > system up for private access, please call back later). (NN:2/85) > Humor and Wisdom .................................... (415) 674-0660 > Wayne Webber; (3B;1.5M); Humor, Jokes, poetry, insighths, etc; > Also supports software download, upload. (SF Bay Area) (V:10/84) > Napa Valley RCPM/RBBS ............................... (707) 257-6502 > Dave Austin; (1-7 (1200 baud soon);2M); Features: CPMUG > & SIG/M CP/M software. Also 6502 & 8086 sections. Interest > in BDS/Aztec C, dBase II, Ham Radio This board supports > the Napa Valley CP/M users group P.O. BOX 4096 NAPA,CA 94558; > IMSAI system.; (Napa) > Tek-80 RCP/M/RBBS ................................... (707) 425-2277 > (dial 707-HAL-BBSS); John Ray; (3B;6.5M); public domain > software; electronics technical support on message system. > re: parts, schematics, etc.; will offer special areas as soon > as 20MB hard disk is on-line.; (Fairfield) (V:10/84) > Critical Mass RBBS/RCPM ............................. (707) 884-4221 > Ken Mobert; (3;26M); Oxgate system; (Gualala) (V:10/84) > RUCUS RCP/M RBBS .................................... (916) 547-5261 > David Ballard; (no ans if in use); (3B;1.5M); Heath H-89; CP/M, > MS-DOS, C, ZCPR3, DBASE II. Operated by and for the REDDING > UNIQUE COMPUTER USERS SOCIETY. > Orangevale RCP/M .................................... (916) 988-2660 $ > Ken Benedict; (3B;46M); ZCPR3 on AMPRO Little Board; Most CP/M > User Group & SIG/M public domain software online. Message system > free, CP/M access $20/year. Directory list free. (V:2/85) > > [Southern California] > Rainbow Data, Fido BBS #36 .......................... (213) 204-2996 > Don Brauns; (3B;45M); DEC Rainbow, MSDOS 2.05; Public domain & > demo software for Rainbow. VT100 graphics at logon. Support for > TELINK, MODEM7 & XMODEM (Culver City) (V:10/84) > PVAC ................................................ (213) 306-1172 > Harris Boldt Edelman; (3B;366K); PVAC is the underbelly of a > snake. Neither for casual use nor for beginners. (V:2/85) > ThreePalms MAX BS RCP/M ............................. (213) 430-0079 > Rick Edwards; (3B;1.5M); Lobo Max 80 Bulletin System running > CP/M. Member of MAXIML (MAX-80 Users) (Seal Beach) (V:10/84) > Bankers & Hackers BBS/RCPM .......................... (213) 498-6581 > Don Appleby; (3B;1.8M); N* system with NZCPR; (V:10/84) > The CP/M Connection ................................. (213) 530-0670 > Arun Baheti; Weekends, most holidays. (3B;??); Xerox systems, > CP/M, CP/M-86, MSDOS; Soon to be an eleven megabyte system. > (NN:01/85) > G.F.R.N. Data Exchange (RBBS) ....................... (213) 541-2503 > Skip Hansen; (3BV;2.4M); ham radio-related pgms; (Palos Verdes) > (V:10/84) > ComputerFood Press MBBS/RCPM ........................ (213) 559-9033 > Tom Tucker; (3B;382K); Interests include small business systems; > Down temporarily for repairs, will be up soon with new version > of MBBS (tm) (beta test site); (V:11/84) > MicroBBS MSDOS & RCP/M .............................. (213) 598-8495 > Douglas Coatney; (3B,14M) Interests, Zenith Z100/HUG Software > Kaypro, Osborne, PCDOS, MSDOS,ZDOS .. General CP/M utilities also. > JAC Computer RBBS/RCPM .............................. (213) 618-0151 $ > Al Cobb; (3B;10M); Kaypro 10 running ZCPR3; interests in Kaypro, > dBase II, ZCPR3, and all public domain s/w. (Torrance) (V:10/84) > MBBS Headquarters RCP/M ............................. (213) 653-6398 > Kim Levitt; (no ans if in use); (3B;7.5M); Micro Bulletin Board > System (tm) #1; Free access to all users, only restrictions are: > New users can't enter msgs or download until cleared (within 24 > hrs. usually) & CP/M access has password (with clue). (V:2/85) > >>> THIS SYSTEM IS ALSO A COLLECTION POINT FOR UPDATES TO THIS > LIST PLEASE UPLOAD A TEXT FILE AND/OR LEAVE COMMENT ON EXIT. > VIDEOMAN RCP/M and XBBS ............................. (213) 666-8588 > Norman Strassner; (3B;2.5M); CompuPro with Qume 8"; expanding > to hard disk drive soon; interests in CP/M 86, dBase, etc; > Television directing, editing, production tech (NN:12/84) > Ladera Heights RBBS ................................. (213) 670-9465 > Al Hawley; (no ans if in use); (3B;16M); S100 ZCPR2 system; > interests: ZCPR, System & Communication utilities, CP/M 80,86 > and MSDOS. Will assist with ZCPR1,2, or 3 inst (NN:12/84) > The Downey Remote CP/M Exchange Center .............. (213) 806-2226 > Mark Motley; (3B;10M); Kaypro, Osborne software & PD languages; > ZCPR3, MEX, MEX overlays and patches. (V:11/84) > WLA RCPM/RBBS ....................................... (213) 838-9229 > Gary Inman; (3B;4.8M); System features CP/M public domain > software; restricted access until validated. (West LA) (V:2/85) > Northstar Downey RBBS ............................... (213) 861-2313 > Brian Holmes; (3?;5M); Northstar Advantage system; CP/M utils, > and MDM7xx; technical assistance. (NN:12/84) > Los Angeles Communication System .................... (213) 935-7570 > Steve Huntley; (3B;2.5M) << Open System >> Epson QX-10, Kaypro > DbaseII, CP/M utilities. Epson users group for West L.A. (V:1/85) > South Bay Technical Support Group ................... (213) 970-9238 > Dan Taylor; (3B;5M); NorthStar ADVANTAGE; >>No longer closed up<< > Software: CP/M utilities, RCP/M, RBBS, ZCPR1,2,(3 is not on line) > Information on PACKET radio (HAM); (Hawthorne) (V:2/85) > Concurrent CP/M-86 RCPM #1 .......................... (619) 252-5367 $ > Lyle Skjerve; (B(1200 ONLY);26.7M); $20/yr. access fee; Running > under CCP/M-86 on Fujitsu Micro 16s; Entire PC-Blue library is > available plus 500+ CP/M pgms, incl. Kaypro, Osborne (V:11/84) > Barstow RCP/M ....................................... (619) 256-3914 > Bill Wood; (34BV;15M); H89 system. (does not see CR's for 6 > secs after carrier detect, while system auto boots) (V:11/84) > San Diego Experimental RC System (SDEXPRC) .......... (619) 452-1869 > Brian Kantor; (3BV;3.6M); News and Mail; interests in amateur > digital packet radio, graphics, and advanced microprocessor tech > System powers up on call & answers on 3rd or 4th ring. (V:10/84) > SABALINE ............................................ (619) 692-1961 > Don Saba; (3BV;10M); interest in Apple CP/M, Kaypro, MSDOS; > SYSOP operates all 3 systems & features pgms he can test. Serves > local Kaypro Group. (V:10/84) > C RCP/M ....................................... (714) 381-2887 > John Hohensee & Cliff Smith; (3B;2.4M); Inland Computer Users, > San Bernardino; CP/M and MS-DOS software; (V:10/84) > G.F.R.N. Data Exchange (RBBS) Garden Grove .......... (714) 534-1547 > Doug Laing; (3BV;5M); amateur radio, Apple/CPM; (Garden Grove) > (V:10/84) > MVKUG RBBS/RCPM ..................................... (714) 581-1556 > Randy Tincher; (3B;10M); Kaypro 10 running ZCPR3; interests in > Kaypro, dBaseII, ZCPR3 & public domain. (Mission Viejo) (V:10/84) > San Dimas RBBS/RCPM ................................. (714) 599-2109 > Stu Anthony; M-F 8A-7P, wknd 24 hrs, (try anytime); (3B;964K); > Xerox 820-II (V:10/84) > AnaHug RCPM/CBBS .................................... (714) 774-7860 > John Secor; (3B;10M); Interests: hobby computing, electronics > hobbyists, ham radio; (Anaheim) (V:10/84) > Ozzy's Place RCP/M ............................... cb (714) 841-0064 > Alan Premselaar; Osborne-based RCP/M running 56k ZCPR2 (V:11/84) > Moonstar RBBS ....................................... (714) 861-8165 > Jerry Proffitt; (no ans if in use); (3B;780K); Astrology and > Metaphysics; General interest PD Software; Kaypro 4 with ZCPR2; > (Diamond Bar) (V:10/84) > Sit Back and Wackit ................................. (714) 995-2428 > Robert Collins; (3B;655K); IBM-PC utils, 8087 source code; modem > pgms; APL utils & hotline; COMPAQ w/2 RAM disks & 8087; (V:10/84) > Thousand Oaks Technical RCP/M (RIOS) S/1 ............ (805) 492-5472 > Trevor Marshall; (3,36B;66M); Use CHAT to request noise resistant > 300 baud modem; active BBS; ALL SIG/M, PC-Blue & Capitol-PC Users > Group software. Most C-UG vols. (7900+ files on-line.) (V:11/84) > (Until floppies repaired, cannot accept uploads, send to S/2.) > Thousand Oaks Technical RCP/M (RIOS) S/2 ............ (805) 493-1495 > Trevor Marshall; (3B;65M); no BBS; unlimited upload time, down- > load time 15 mins/day max., (increased 2 for 1 for uploads); > (Networked to same 64MB hard disk as system 1.) (V:11/84) > Simi BBS ............................................ (805) 522-4211 > Greg Cassity; (no ans if in use); (3?;???K); ads for new and > used hardware, technical help & software exchange. (NN:2/85) > Simi RCP/M .......................................... (805) 527-2219 > Pete Mack; M-F 7P-7A, wknd 24 hrs; (3-6,B;20M); General interest > programs plus special interest in 'C'; Also interested in 88/86 > PC software; (Simi Valley) (V:10/84) > SIMI-PDSE/RCPM ...................................... (805) 584-6054 > John Damico; (3B;40M); interests: RCP/M communications, utils, > ZCPR, Kaypro, CompuPro, Apple & General. (Simi Valley) (V:10/84) > Father John's Place ................................. (805) 687-2754 > Father John Higgins; (3B;10M); info on the Catholic Church, > question/answer forum for all; (South Bay area) (V:10/84) > LOBO MAX-80 Citadel ................................. (805) 964-6626 > Tom Marazita; (3B;5M); MAXIMUL (Max-80 User's League) software, > CP/MUG, SIG/M, dBase, PASCAL, 'C'; (Goleta) (V:10/84) > L.A.M.U.G. RCP/M-XBBS ............................... (818) 340-9947 > Bob Moeller; (no ans if in use); (3B;20M); Micro Decision; > New users are required to leave address and phone # for password > to enter CP/M. 1000 public domain software programs. (V:10/84) > RBBS PASADENA ....................................... (818) 359-4446 > Rich Berg; (1346VB;19M); use NEWBAUD after logon to switch baud > rates except 1200 baud which can only be set on login. (NN:2/85) > Granada Engineering Group RCP/M ..................... (818) 360-5053 > Webber Hall; (3;1M); Headquarters of XBBS message system; CP/M > assembly language programming and technical information; (will > have 1200 baud soon); (Granada Hills) (V:2/85) > Da PHANTOM LATE-NITE RBBS ........................... (818) 365-2996 > KABjorke; LATE Nites, Weekends; (34;15M); IBM-PC System; what do > computers do at night? The System for the Society to Establish a > National Idle-Time Pool. C, Forth, Hi-End Grafix, ArtZ. (V:10/84) > The MOG-UR'S HBBS ................................... (818) 366-1238 > Tom Tcimpidis; (3BC;19M); 2400 baud now; 11 different boards, > varied interests. Database use welcome to all systems, operating > systems and users; (San Fernando valley, LA area) (V:11/84) > No. Hollywood RCPM/BBS .............................. (818) 509-8599 > John Jearos; M-F 6P-11P, wknd 24 hrs; (3;2M); Apple II/Z80 card. > (V:10/84) > WSS BBS System ...................................... (818) 704-1871 > Jeff Woolf; (3;2.4M). Caters to Move-It users. Upload/download > features driven from BBS. No CP/M access is allowed. Sponsored > by Woolf Software Systems. > Northridge Systems RCP/M - XBBS ..................... (818) 708-3284 > Robert M. Crump; (3B;1.2M); XBBS message system; drives A-D; > 1200 baud now supported. (V:11/84) > NBS RCP/M ........................................... (818) 764-6166 > Joel Sussman; (3B;10M); Amateur (Ham) Radio, data communications, > programming routines; Kaypro/IBM-PC software; (North Hollywood) > (V:10/84) > La Canada RCPM/RBBS ................................. (818) 790-3014 > Chris Hays; (no ans if in use, 4 rings till autoboot); (3B;1.3M); > electronics, communications software; (LA area) (V:10/84) > Pasadena RCP/M ...................................... (818) 799-1632 > Dick Mead; (3B;26M); running ZCPR3; interest in Ham Packet; > RBBS4 message system w/public/private mail. (LA area) (V:10/84) > Glendale Litearia RBBS-RCP/M ........................ (818) 956-6164 > Abel Iwaz; (no ans if in use); (3B;10M); Kaypro 10 system w/ > ZCPR3; interests: Communications, utilities, dBaseII, ZCPR3, > Literary forum, special magazine section. (V:10/84) > > =========== > [SOUTHWEST] > > [Arizona] > Photo Marketing Association RCP/M RBBS .............. (602) 834-5295 > Jim Whitesell; (3B;1.6M); specializing in photographic industry - > photofinishers, camera stores, manufacturers; RBBS is operated by > industry's trade association. (V:10/84) > Lost Dutchman's Gold Mine RCP/M-RBBS ................ (602) 848-6708 > Jim Gronek; (3B;10M); Kaypro II w/10MB Helix; sections: Kaypro > DBaseII, Games, Utilities; all CP/M users welcome. (V:10/84) > Lost Dutchman's Gold Mine No. 2 RCP/M-RBBS . . . . . .(602) 863-1435 > Kelvin Giles, Robb Leatherwood, Paul Nanc(3B;10M); Kaypro 10; > sections; Kaypro, ZCPR, Utilites and more, all CP/M users welcome > > [Colorado] > The World Peace RCP/M ............................... (303) 320-4822 > Fr. Alfred K Carr; (3B;16M); sponsored by Hilltop Reform Baptist > Church (Contemplative Reform Baptism - The World Peace Movement); > New users must complete application on-line; access in 24-48 hrs; > (Denver) (V:11/84) > Computer Parlors RCP/M RBBS ......................... (303) 420-8052 > Terry Travis; (3B;10M); Interest in Kaypro; (Arvada) (V:10/84) > DASUG (Denver Area Sanyo Users Group)................ (303) 431-0051 > Jerry Smith; (3B;10M); IBMPC w/MSDOS 2.10; MS-DOS and CP/M 2.2 > software for the Sanyo; running Fido v/10c; (V:02/85) > Lodge Works RCP/M ................................... (303) 444-3253 > John Vareka; (3B;10M); System Enhancements, C Language. (Boulder) > (V:10/84) > CP/M SIG RCPM/RIBM SYSTEMS .......................... (303) 465-1313 > Al Lindquist; (3B;10M); Password access after validate; CP/M > SIG, Inc Broomfield, Co., provides latest SIG/M and PC-BLUE > releases on-line; RIBM rotates w/RCPM. (NN:12/84) > Boulder, Colorado RCP/M ............................. (303) 499-9169 > Jack Riley; M-F 12P-6A (hard disk up Thurs 7P-12A); (1-7BV;32M); > Keyword-based BBS; high-level language software, graphics, numer- > ical analysis & UNIX info; MX-80 graphics, typesetting (V:10/84) > Colorado Springs Computer Communications ............ (303) 598-4500 $ > Thom Foulks; (3B;2.1M); Colorado Springs User Group members only; > (On-line application available) (V:10/84) > Denver CUG-NODE ..................................... (303) 781-4937 > ? Sysop; (1-7;1M); (Need more info!!) (V:10/84) > The nection RCP/M ................................ (303) 798-5451 > Verlon Rogers; (3B;790k); General interest Kaypro & misc > languages; Short validation process (Littleton) (V:11/84) > lectronic ocksmith RCP/M RBBS ................. (303) 973-2167 > Steve Ekwall; (3B;400k). Established for the Locksmithing and > Security Industry. Industry users get full access to password > protected user areas. Others to A0>, B0>. (V:10/84) > Lakewood MURCP/M SYSTEM #1 .......................... (303) 985-1108 $ > Gary Shaffstall; (3B;40.2M); Guest hours 00:00-12:00 MST daily; > 6000+ files available from SIG/M, CPMUG, and other user groups. > Membership fee $24/yr. (V:1/85) > Unknown TBBS ........................................ (303) 988-8155 > Henry Birdseye; (3B;10M); S-100 system with CP/M software > and joke downloads; using TBBS bbs software; Complete access > to system after registration on second call. > > [Nevada] > Reno International (RIBBS) RCP/M .................... (702) 826-2337 > Ron Stevenson & Mike Mcbride; (3B;2.4M); EXO noBUS-8 system; > Sections for different computers; Online games; Hotels, enter- > tainment & restaurant data base for Reno, Carson & S. Lake Tahoe > w/toll free #'s for reservations; say MENU; (Reno) (V:11/84) > > [New Mexico] > Albuquerque RCP/M ................................... (505) 299-5974 > Steve Fox; (3V;15M); (no ans if in use). Ferguson BigBoard II, > CP/M-80 and PC/DOS. (V:11/84) > Alamogodo RCP/M ..................................... (505) 437-9117 > Joel Mozer; 7P-6A; (??;??) need more info!; all welcome (V:10/84) > Mesilla Valley RCP/M ................................ (505) 524-6920 > Phil Cary; (B;33M). PC/MS-DOC, CP/M 80, PLUS, & 86; IBM PC, N* > Kaypro. NOTE! 1200 BAUD ONLY AFTER 1/1/85 (Las Cruces) (V:10/84) > NM DEC-PC RCP/M ..................................... (505) 831-0205 > Eloy Gonzales; (3B;676K); Dec VT180, Rainbow System (V:10/84) > Tom Sanderson's RCP/M ............................... (505) 864-7676 > Tom Sanderson; (1-6;1M); Vector Graphic S-100 Sys; CP/M utils, > RCP/M & BDS C pgms; all users welcome; (Belen) (V:10/84) > > [Texas] > DFW RCP/M ........................................... (214) 245-5253 > Nathan Stewart; (3B;16M); Interest in CPM80, CPM86, PC s/w > 'C' programs; (Dallas) (V:10/84) > Xerox Users' Information Exchange ................... (214) 286-2673 > Richard L. Transue; (no ans if in use); (3B;482K); Xerox and > general CP/M info; running on 820-I. (Dallas) (NN:2/85) > Seneca RCP/M ........................................ (214) 553-1363 > Sigi Kluger; (3BV;13M). TurboDos, CP/M 86 and latest software. > (System is now free access again.) (Dallas) (V:2/85) > The Dallas Connection RCP/M RBBS .................... (214) 783-7684 cb > Russ Pencin; (3B;4M); General interest and Xerox-820-II programs. > (Dallas) (NN:12/84) > Dallas RCP/M CBBS ................................... (214) 931-8274 $ > Dave Crane; (3B;28M); P/D software & info exchange; CP/M-80 & 86, > PC-DOS, Forth, dBase; spec. interest in science & engineering; > $30/yr fee, limited membership. (V:10/84) > The Black Box ....................................... (512) 835-9742 > Marc Newman; (34B;3M); Xmodem support. Atari, CP/M, RBBS software > interests, online games, D&D, operating systems (V:10/84) > Fido BBS #67 ........................................ (806) 795-0102 > Alan Minchew; (3B;10M); DEC Rainbow with MS-DOS & CP/M; supports > Telink, Modem7, and XMODEM transfers. (Lubbock) (V:10/84) > CTA RCP/M "Lazarus" ................................. (915) 544-1432 > Mike Gonzalez; (3B;16M); Specializing in North Star, distribu- > tion point for RBBS4 (El Paso) (V:10/84) > > =========== > [NORTHWEST] > > [Alaska] > AKPRO-NET RBBS/RCPM ................................. (907) 248-2604 $ > Sysop: Pat Wilke; Asst: Cory Walker (3B;10M); Kaypro 10 running > ZCPR3; Interests: ZCPR3, MEX, UNIX, C, HAM, MSDOS, CP/M80 & 86. > Write to: AKPRO-NET; 2304 McRae St. #1 ; Anch., AK 99503; > $25 Per/Yr. (V:2/85) > Anchorage Remote CP/M (ARCPM) ....................... (907) 349-7996 $ > Rodger Ellis; (3B;15M); $6.50/mo. fee, limited access to non- > members; new members accepted, call (907) 349-6882/write ARCPM; > 740 W. 71st Ave.; Anchorage, AK 99502 for application. (V:10/84) > The Far North RCP/M ................................. (907) 456-1677 > Bob Purdy; (3B?;10M); BBS of Kaypro User's Group of Fairbanks; > Entire FOG library, Kaypro-specific programs; (V:11/84) > > [Alberta, Canada] > Edmonton RCPM ....................................... (403) 454-6093 > Dave McCrady; (no ans if in use); (3BV;4.8M) (V:10/84) > Western Canadian Distribution Center ................ (403) 461-2960 $ > Gary McCallum; (3BV;34M); (release point for all new programs > by Dave Rand); (Edmonton) (NN:10/84) > Meadowlark RCP/M .................................... (403) 484-5981 > Jim Lopushinski; (3B;20M); origination point for NSQueeze, > LBRDISK, and other machine language programs. (V:10/84) > > [British Columbia, Canada] > Satyricon Electronics Corp. CBBS/RCPM................ (604) 438-2468 $ > Gordon Regar; (1-3B;22.4M); CP/MUG, SIG/M, Macintosh; $5/yr. fee; > (V:10/84) > Prince George RCP/M System .......................... (604) 562-9519 > Chris Loelke; Fred Quebec; MF 5pm-8am Weekends 24hours.(3B;16M); > ZCPR3 Libraries, 16bit, general interest, utilities, RCP/M, SIG/M > and some non CP/M. (V:10/84) > Frog Hollow CBBS/RCPM ............................... (604) 937-0906 > David Bowerman; (1-7;1.2M); (Vancouver) (V:10/84) > > [Manitoba, Canada] > Winnipeg RCP/M ...................................... (204) 943-9007 > Greg Moeller & Bruce Walzer; (346B;16M); EXO networking system; > interests in CPM 86, Forth, Concurrent CP/M; (V:10/84) > > [Montana] > Helena Valley RBBS/RCPM ............................. (406) 443-2768 > Marion Thompson; (no ans if in use); (3B;10M); all users welcome; > special interest in S-100, IMS Internat'l, Systems Group, Otrona, > TurboDOS, MP/M, Concurrent PC DOS, C, Pascal; (Helena) (V:02/85) > OPI RCP/M ........................................... (406) 444-3481 > Bill Connett, John Heinrich; (3B;8M); CP/M Utils, Televideo, > Commodore, Apple, Turbo Pascal, Educational software for schools. > (Helena) (V:2/85) > > [Oregon] > SACC RCP/M RBBS ..................................... (503) 581-6409 $ > Ken Jones; (3B;10M). Kaypro 10 w/ ZCPR, MDM7, MEX. For member- > ship, read info at signon. (Salem Area Computer Club) (V:10/84) > Professional YAM .................................... (503) 621-3746 > Chuck Forsberg; (random/intermittent hrs); (3B;2M); IBM-PC; > 'C' pgms in addition to IBM-PC software (V:10/84) > Beaverton, Oregon RCPM .............................. (503) 642-7028 $ > Dave Morgan; (3B;112M); $25/yr fee; phone number is changing > soon; all of ZCPR2/3 and SYSLIB3 online; (V:10/84) > RCP/M Northwest ..................................... (503) 777-6377 > Eddie Williams, Chris Bradley; (sys dwn 5P-10P daily); (3;780K); > interest in Kaypros, CP/M utilities; Kaypro 4 system. (V:11/84) > > [Saskatchewan, Canada] > Regina RCPM/RBBS .................................... (306) 586-5585 > Leigh Calnek, Ted Quade; (3B;17M); career education software, > Atari, Apple, IBM, TRS-80, Osborne, CP/M programs (C64 soon); > (Morrow or Northstar sys, multi-user soon); (Regina) (V:10/84) > > [Washington] > Seattle's "Downspout" ............................... (206) 325-1325 $ > Norm Gregory; (3BC;20M); Limited access FREE; full access $25/yr; > 2400 baud avail.; Epson QX-10 w/ZCPR3. (Seattle) (V:10/84) > Olympia RCP/M ....................................... (206) 357-7400 > Tim Linehan; (3B;18M); Interest in 'C', database pgms, & string > manipulation; Most CUG software on-line. (V:10/84) > Yelm RBBS & CP/M .................................... (206) 458-3086 > Dave Stanhope; (3B;80M); S-100 UNIX system; CP/M programs; > interest in 'C'; Running BBSC for UNIX-C; (Olympia) (V:10/84) > Adam's RiBBS ........................................ (206) 828-3077 > Adam Koczarski; (3B;3.2M); Heath H-89, SIG/M catalog on-line > w/ FYNDE utilities so users can request off-line volumes to be > mounted. CP/M library also. (V:11/84) > PUYALLUP AREA RCP/M System .......................... (206) 848-1497 > Ken Iverson; (3;15M) (V:10/84) > North West Godbout Users RBBS-RCP/M ................. (509) 624-6799 > Jeffrey H. Albrecht; (3BV;11.4M); CompuPro 8-16 running ZCPR2; > interest in info/programs related to CompuPro & engineering. > (Spokane) (V:2/85) > SMUG RCPM/RBBS ...................................... (509) 924-0808 > Jeffrey H. Albrecht; (3B;27M); Spokane Microprocessor Users > Group; CP/M-80, CP/M-86, 6800, MS-DOS, C, ASM, dBase, BASIC, > Forth, Pascal. (Spokane) (V:2/85) > > [Wyoming] > Western States Marketing RCP/M ...................... (307) 635-8366 > Barron F. McIntire III; (3B;10M); MAILBOX msg sys; non-XMODEM > up/download capability as well as XMODEM; software for many > different computers; (Cheyenne) (V:10/84) > > [Hawaii] > Kauai RCP/M RBBS .................................... (808) 245-2080 > Gene Clayton; (no ans if in use); (3B;800K); (Lihue) (V:10/84) > DOC OVERLOCK'S BBS .................................. (808) 338-1277 > Bob Overlock; no answer if in use; (3B;33M); interests in CP/M, > MS/PC-DOS, Commodore, medical, communications; (Waimea) (V:10/84) > Hawaiian Shell RCP/M ................................ (808) 422-8406 > George Sofaly; (3B;800K); Network system; interests in Kaypro; > RCP/M for Hawaii Portable Computer Users Assoc. (Honolulu) > (V:10/84) > > ============ > [COMPUSERVE] > > CP-MIG .............................. type 'R CP-MIG' or 'GO PCS-47' $ > Dave Kozinn, Tom Jorgenson, Charlie Strom; most new CPMUG and > SIG/M software; CP/M-oriented CBBS. COMPUSERVE users have full > access to CP-MIG. Note: COMPUSERVE mow supports Christensen > protocol file transfers. (Fees required to join CompuServe.) > > ====================== > [PACKET RADIO SYSTEMS] > > N6CXB-1 Packet RCPM ... 2 meter packet: 146.745 OUT/DOWN 600 khz. IN > Bob Finch (N6CXB); system is on 2-meter packet thru duplex > 202C packet repeater, (formerly known as N6TD/R), call of > RCP/M is N6CXB-1; currently supporting hex/ASCII unload of binary > files and simple TYPE (etc.) for text files. (Since AX.25 prot- > ocol in use for ham packet doesn't require XMODEM for integrity > of end-to-end virtual connection.) System currently a Cal-Tex > SBC with Tapr TNC, custom interface & system software, 11MB dsk, > 100 watts (erp) power. On-line 24 hrs subject to clear channel, > (i.e. no voice traffic). Leave messages on N6BGW. > (Glendale, CA area) (V:11/84) > N6BGW Packet RCPM ..... 2 meter packet: 146.745 OUT/DOWN 600 khz. IN > ??? (N6BGW); (net users on channel through N6gpp/r) go here to use > the mailbox. > > ======= > [NOTES] > > 1. Call-back systems are those where a computer and real people share > the same telephone line. To contact the people, just dial & let the > phone ring until you get an answer. To contact the computer: 1) dial, > 2) let the phone ring once, 3) hang up just before the 2nd ring, & > 4) re-dial. > > 2. Note that the 212A/Vadic 1200 baud modems may not be compatable > with yours. Some of the above systems are using Vadic 3451 Triple > modems, compatable with both Bell and Vadic Standard. Sign on the > first time at 300 baud to determine system capabilities. Note also > that PMMI's can sometimes be used over 300 baud with 1200 baud > systems. PMMI baud rates are: 110, 300, 450, 600, 710 and are > indicated above as "1-7". > > 3. Use of an alternative long-distance service should be considered > when planning to modem over long programs. Charges on ITT Longer > Distance, MCI, Sprint and Western Union are 50-60% of AT&T's regular > long distance rates. These services and many others are available in > many areas of the country and many of them can now call anywhere in > the U.S. and will work fine at 300 and 1200 baud most of the time... > (Note, however, that you may not be able to dial a system in Alaska, > Hawaii or Canada depending on the service you get and sometimes you > may have trouble connecting at 1200 baud.) > > 4. Total on-line disk capacity is shown for reference. Check the > system documentation for exact details when logging on. > > 5. All times listed are local time, please observe operating hours > for systems with scheduled availability. > > 6. If you find any errors in this listing, (or systems which do not > support XMODEM protocol for file transfers), please forward the > information to one of the systems listed at the top. > > 7. Many of the private/semi-private systems will allow System > Operators access to the system. Each private/semi-private system has > different rules regarding access. Most of these limit membership, > which may mean that access is somewhat easier than fully public > systems. However, as with public systems, quality varies greatly > from system to system. Contact the System Operator first for details > of system access, cost, etc. > > 8. SPECIAL NOTE TO SYSOPS: (by Jud Newell, 7/15/84) > a. In an effort to keep this list manageable, we're arbitrarily > restricted each entry to 4 lines including name and phone number. To > do this, we arbitrarily edited some listings. If you'd like to say > something different, message Kim, Steve, or I, but please restrict > your listing to no more than 4 lines. > b. You may be eligable for access on a no-fee basis to some of > the private systems noted above. Contact the system operator of the > system you wish access to for details of his policies. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > VERIFICATION INFORMATION: By Jud Newell (Oct 22/84) This list is now > being verified on a periodic basis. Our verification routines come > to us from Jim Cambrion, and automatically dial the list, noting > whenever a computer carrier is detected. Unfortunately, after the > computer is done, we still have about 100 systems to manually check. > If we got a carrier tone or a busy signal, we considered the system > to be in existance. If we got a disconnect recording, we deleted the > system from the list. If no answer, we left the system on the list, > but will delete from the next list if we can't make contact before > then. Note that each non-answering system was tried at least 5 times > over a 2 week period of time. The list will next be fully verified in > April 1985. Note the codes at end of each entry are: (V: = system > existance verifed by presence of modem carrier or busy signal on all > tries) (NA: = no answer of telephone w/at least 5 verification calls) > (NN: = new number). It will help us if you advise us of the status > of any systems not showing a verification indication. If I deleted > you in error, I apologize. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------- *** REPLACE THIS LINE WITH YOUR MESSAGE *** 3-Mar-85 00:32:02-MST,2115;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 3 Mar 85 00:31:54-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a006244; 3 Mar 85 2:05 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a007417; 3 Mar 85 1:40 EST From: clewis%mnetor.uucp@BRL-TGR.ARPA Newsgroups: net.wanted,net.micro.cpm Subject: Calcomp Century Marksman info wanted Message-ID: <271@mnetor.UUCP> Date: 1 Mar 85 19:20:14 GMT Xref: seismo net.wanted:6228 net.micro.cpm:4027 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA I obtained a 20 Mb 14 inch Calcomp Century Marksman disk drive some time ago and would really like to be able to hook it up to my S100 CPM system. If anyone out there knows anything about this beast and interfacing it, please send me mail (this is not of general enough interest for news). For all intents and purposes I have what is called a "dumb Marksman" without the Calcomp intelligent controller card. What I would particularly like is information on the following topics: 1) Is the interface compatible with anything else? (I heard a rumour that it was 8 inch winchester compatible, but that seemed only true for the Calcomp intelligent card) 2) Are the Konan S100 adapters for these things still available? - I heard that they went out of business. Is it using the dumb or intelligent interfaces? 3) If I gotta get a Calcomp intelligent card, where to I find one? 4) Is there anyone out there at XEROX (who I heard took over the Calcomp disk division) and knows about this beastie? 5) Has anybody out there got one? I have an intelligent card (seems to support RS232, SDLC and DMA) for it, but Zapsystems went out of business, and only RS232 software is present on the card. It doesn't run fast enough with RS232 to make it worthwhile using it serially, but it is a nice interface for testing the drive with a terminal. -- Chris Lewis, Motorola New Enterprises SNail: 560 Dennison, Unit 9, Markham, Ontario, Canada, L3R 2M8 UUCP: {allegra, linus}!{utzoo, ihnp4}!utcs!mnetor!clewis BELL: (416)-475-1300 ext. 321 3-Mar-85 08:55:01-MST,937;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 3 Mar 85 08:54:53-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a007094; 3 Mar 85 10:22 EST Date: Saturday, 2 February 1985 10:27-MST Message-ID: Sender: "B.Eiben LCG Ext 617-467-4431" From: "B.Eiben LCG Ext 617-467-4431" Subject: DBCLINIC.LBR for dBase II .DBF files ReSent-From: KPETERSEN@simtel20.ARPA ReSent-To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA ReSent-Date: Sun 3 Mar 1985 08:21-MST DBCLINIC.LBR has been uploaded. This is an MBASIC program used to help fix up dBase II .DBF files. It's menu-driven, and only needs 1 coding change - the CLEARSCREEN$ value in line 1240. This must be coded for your particular terminal. Filename Type Bytes CRC SIMTEL20 directory MICRO: DBCLINIC.LBR.2 BINARY 17536 C1E6H 3-Mar-85 09:45:04-MST,1030;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 3 Mar 85 09:44:54-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a007527; 3 Mar 85 11:23 EST Date: Sun 3 Mar 85 09:22:48-MST From: Rick Conn Subject: New ZCPR3 Files To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA The following files are now in MICRO: and updated in MICRO:. I will leave them in Z3NEW for at least two weeks for the convenience of those who already have the Z3 files and just want to update. DU3.MAC and DU3.COM -- updated DU3 VFILER.MAC and VFILER.COM -- updated VFILER IF.MAC and IF.COM -- updated IF TCSELECT.MAC and TCSELECT.COM -- updated TCSELECT (special for ZNODE/RCPM use) POKE&GO1.DOC -- comments on how to use RCPs and aliases to modify COM files on the fly Z3NEWS.106 -- latest newsletter from Echelon VFILER.MAC and DU3.MAC are quite large, so, in Z3NEW, is VFILER.MQC and DU3.MQC for the convenience of downloading. Enjoy! Rick ------- 3-Mar-85 10:00:17-MST,696;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 3 Mar 85 10:00:11-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a007591; 3 Mar 85 11:39 EST Date: 3 Mar 1985 09:38 MST (Sun) Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: SD-97.LBR now available Thanks to Steve Noland we now have the latest version of SD, the super directory utility for CP/M-80. It's available from SIMTEL20 as: Filename Type Bytes CRC Directory MICRO: SD97.LBR.1 BINARY 78336 8B9AH --Keith 3-Mar-85 10:19:15-MST,1255;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 3 Mar 85 10:19:09-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a007663; 3 Mar 85 11:59 EST Date: Wednesday, 27 February 1985 20:27-MST Message-ID: Sender: "B.Eiben LCG Ext 617-467-4431" From: "B.Eiben LCG Ext 617-467-4431" Subject: Cross assemblers for 6800 and 6809 needed ReSent-From: KPETERSEN@simtel20.ARPA ReSent-To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA ReSent-Date: Sun 3 Mar 1985 09:58-MST - - - - - - - Begin message from: LSM.HOSTETLER Date: 27 Feb 1985 2214-EST From: LSM.HOSTETLER To: EIBEN Subject: Cross Assemblers Bernie, do you have any available cross assemblers for Motorola 6800 and 6809 MPUs that run under CP/M? I've seen public domain types (a la LASM) out in the free world before, but I don't remember where. I haven't seen one here, but then I never am sure I'm looking in all the right places on this machine. Anything you might have stored here would be of considerable help -- I don't really want to buy some if I don't have to. Thanks, Hal Hostetler ======== - - - - - - - End forwarded message 3-Mar-85 22:44:54-MST,1097;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 3 Mar 85 22:44:47-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a009994; 4 Mar 85 0:16 EST Date: 3 Mar 1985 22:15 MST (Sun) Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: LYMAN@jpl-vlsi.ARPA Cc: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: poke&go1.doc In-reply-to: Msg of 3 Mar 1985 17:22-MST from Peter Lyman Whenever I try to retrive POKE&GO1.DOC from micro: I get "File not accessable. Invalid character in filename." The ampersand??? Peter, you hit the nail right on the head. Some characters are reserved under the TOPS-20 operating system we use here at SIMTEL20. The solution is to include a Control-V just ahead of such characters when you tell FTP what file you want. In this case it would be: MICRO:POKE^V&GO1.DOC (where the ^V is a control-V, of course). The control-V is a "quote next character" command. --Keith 3-Mar-85 22:55:31-MST,959;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 3 Mar 85 22:55:26-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a010011; 4 Mar 85 0:30 EST Date: Sunday, 3 March 1985 08:38-MST Message-ID: Sender: Dan Winkler From: Dan Winkler Subject: xlisp 1.4 source available on Arpa/Milnet ReSent-From: KPETERSEN@simtel20.ARPA ReSent-To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA, Info-Micro@brl-vgr.ARPA, Info-Ibmpc@usc-isib.ARPA ReSent-Date: Sun 3 Mar 1985 22:30-MST The source of the latest version of xlisp (1.4) is available by anonymous ftp from harvard. David Betz (betz@harvard) is working on version 1.5 and when it's ready it will be archived on harvard too. On harvard, the xlisp source is in /pub. It's also archived on Sumex-Aim in for people nearer to that coast. Dan. (winkler@harvard) 3-Mar-85 23:32:33-MST,3768;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 3 Mar 85 23:32:18-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a010026; 4 Mar 85 0:47 EST Date: 3 Mar 1985 22:46 MST (Sun) Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Hams@SIMTEL20.ARPA Cc: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Updated Packet Radio MailBox/BBS/GateWay program ver 8.6 Thanks to Bob Clements , version 8.6 of the W0RLI Packet Radio MailBox/BBS/GateWay system is now available from SIMTEL20: Filename Type Bytes CRC Directory MICRO: PACKET86.LBR.1 BINARY 154112 68C9H Here are Bob's comments about the package. --- 3 March 1985 Here are the files that make up version 8.6 of the W0RLI Packet Radio MailBox/BBS/GateWay system. There have been many changes since version 6.9 was posted to the SIMTEL20 archives. A change history is in the file NOTES.TNC. A few of the major ones are: 1) The program has been converted to M80/L80 source language. It got too big for ASM/MAC. 2) Automatic forwarding of mail among packet systems is supported. This requires a user list in the file FWD.TNC. 3) The BIOS got too big, too. There is now a two stage bootstrap, with the second stage in the file CBIOS.COM, also as described in NOTES.TNC. This system runs on the following hardware: Computer: Xerox 820-1 computer (the ones that were available for $50, and are still around for not much more), one or more 8" single density, single or double sided disk drives, parallel keyboard, CRT monitor. Packet Radio gear: One or Two TAPR (or AEA) TNCs with version 3.1 or later software. (Two TNCs if you are going to run a crossband Gateway.) Radio gear: One or two transceivers. The W0RLI software supports sending, receiving and forwarding mail, uploading and downloading files, capturing typescripts, logging channel activity and mailbox activity, and gateway operation between two TNCs on two bands. Read the file NOTES.TNC to start working your way through the documentation. Hank, W0RLI, does not have access to ARPANET or Usenet. I will be glad to try to answer questions and/or relay questions and comments to Hank via 2 meters. You can reach me at ARPANET: clements@BBN Usenet: {ihnp4, linus, wivax, decvax, wjh12, ima}!bbncca!clements Hank would appreciate knowing of users who are running this software. A QSL to Hank or a net message to me would be appreciated. Here is Hank's update from the February 1985 NEPRA PacketEar: The MailBox/GateWay has now been sent to 25 states and 5 countries. As far as I know for sure, it is on the air at least 20 places now. In the Boston area, 4000 messages have passed through it. The local forwarding network now includes 9 nodes: W0RLI, WB2OSZ, WB1DSW, K1BC, WA2RRKN-2, K7PYK, WA4SZK, KA1T, W1AW-4. The last two run their own software, but allow for forwarding from the W0RLI systems. A message put into any one of these systems will find its way to the system nearest the intended recipient. There are several other areas of the country now using the software: Georgia, Arizona, Iowa, Washington DC, Seattle, ENY/NYC/NNJ, Dallas, Illinois, Southern New Jersey, Los Angeles have all been heard from. All have the software in daily use. Expect to see it on Oscar-10 at KL7GNG soon. Look for it from Australia, New Zealand, Japan, Hungary. Sacramento county RACES will be using it. GateWays are running at W0RLI, K7PYK, WA4SZK and WB7DCH. de Hank Oredson, W0RLI 73, Bob K1BC 4-Mar-85 06:41:34-MST,483;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 4 Mar 85 06:41:30-MST Received: from mit-multics.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a011492; 4 Mar 85 8:20 EST Date: Mon, 4 Mar 85 08:20 EST From: "John C. Klensin" Subject: UNLOAD for CP/M-86 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <850304132004.579376@MIT-MULTICS.ARPA> Does anyone have a version of UNLOAD (HEXIFY?, UNGENCMD?) for CP/M-86 CMD-format files? 4-Mar-85 09:10:22-MST,870;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 4 Mar 85 09:10:13-MST Received: from mitre-bedford.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a015635; 4 Mar 85 10:40 EST Date: 4 Mar 1985 10:31:27-EST From: d3unix!sac@mitre-bedford.ARPA To: bccvax!info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Cc: Subject: Need info on cp/m for Apple ][ with DRI's card. I am posting this for a friend who has patented a Korean character generator for an Apple ][. It works with Word*, Dbase II etc. He needs some info on how the CP/M command line editor works. Specifically, how are characters deleted and inserted on the display during a command line. He knows how it works in Word*, but the command line editor seems to be different. Any help and pointers would be greatly appreciated. Stu Cohnen (sac @mitre-bedford.arpa) (...!linus!d3unix!sac) 4-Mar-85 19:49:55-MST,563;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 4 Mar 85 19:49:47-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a021871; 4 Mar 85 21:15 EST Date: Mon 4 Mar 85 19:14:58-MST From: Rick Conn Subject: POKEGO1.DOC To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA The file POKE&GO1.DOC in and has been renamed to POKEGO1.DOC (no ampersand). File names containing ampersands have to be quoted with ^V in order to allow the ampersand, and this is an inconvenience to users. ------- 4-Mar-85 19:50:11-MST,500;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 4 Mar 85 19:49:59-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a020652; 4 Mar 85 21:12 EST Date: Mon 4 Mar 85 19:11:44-MST From: Rick Conn Subject: UC16.C now in MICRO: To: info-micro@AMSAA.ARPA, info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Thanks to John McNamee for an upgrade of UC (UNIX to CP/M file transfer program). UC16.C (version 1.6) is now in MICRO:. ------- 5-Mar-85 08:26:07-MST,792;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 5 Mar 85 08:26:00-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a006986; 5 Mar 85 9:31 EST Date: Monday, 4 March 1985 07:17-MST Message-ID: Sender: Jim Forrest From: Jim Forrest To: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA Subject: SAP41 WARNING!!! ReSent-From: KPETERSEN@simtel20.ARPA ReSent-To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA ReSent-Date: Tue 5 Mar 1985 07:28-MST Downloaded SAP41.LBR and like a Sap I ran sap41. Lost 5 megabytes of files. Erased all files then formatted 90% of directory tracks and left me with mostly files that were already erased (maybe all it left was files already erased). Jim 5-Mar-85 11:18:41-MST,1370;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 5 Mar 85 11:18:17-MST Received: from usc-isi.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a023240; 4 Mar 85 14:47 EST Date: 4 Mar 1985 14:46-EST Sender: CHATHAM@USC-ISI.ARPA Subject: kaypro ram disks/adventure? From: CHATHAM@USC-ISI.ARPA To: info-cpm-request@AMSAA.ARPA Cc: chatham@USC-ISI.ARPA Message-ID: <[USC-ISI.ARPA] 4-Mar-85 14:46:02.CHATHAM> Resent-Date: Tue, 5 Mar 85 12:47:00 EST Resent-From: cpmlist@AMSAA.ARPA Resent-To: info-cpm@USC-ISI.ARPA I'M NEW HERE. I found the directory of bboards while wandering through the ARPA net (DDN) and am hoping that this is the right address to ask my questions. 1. I have been thinking of getting a ram disk for my KayPro II (which has some Micro Cornucopia mods to it, and Plu-Perfect's CPM mod). MicroSphere offeres one and there is the SWP Co-Power -88. Does anyone have any comments regarding the trade-offs between them? Or can you refer me to past discussions on the subject? Is there really anything worth doing in MS-DOS that the SWP device can do? 2. Is this a legit forum for asking what I can do next in the Mike Goetz 550 pt Adventure? I've got a "London Dry" flask, a second mushroom, and an unmoveable dinghy, and no place left to go. ralph chatham (CHATHAM@USC-ISI.ARPA) 5-Mar-85 14:51:19-MST,1774;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 5 Mar 85 14:51:07-MST Received: from brl-aos.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a019128; 5 Mar 85 16:13 EST Received: from mit-mc.arpa by BRL-AOS.ARPA id a006151; 5 Mar 85 16:07 EST Received: from Chaosnet site MIT-EECS by MIT-MC; 03/05/85 16:05:55 Date: Tue 5 Mar 85 16:06:27-EST From: Andrew Moore Subject: [Jim Forrest : SAP41 WARNING!!!] To: info-cpm@MIT-MC.ARPA, rcpm-sysops@MIT-MC.ARPA --- ... Seems like there's a rash of this going aroound. First it was VDIR, now SAP. I guess the only way to avoid this sort of thing is for ALL RCP/M SYSOPS to copy any un-heard-of file to a floppy (unless this joker renames it to an existing program... shiver) and test it out there. It's certainly an inconvenience for RCP/M SysOps, but it's better than losing the contents of your hard drive. -dru T.MOORE%MIT-EECS@MIT-MC.ARPA --------------- Received: from AMSAA by MIT-MC.ARPA; TUE 5 MAR 1985 0953 EST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a006986; 5 Mar 85 9:31 EST Date: Monday, 4 March 1985 07:17-MST Message-ID: Sender: Jim Forrest From: Jim Forrest To: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA Subject: SAP41 WARNING!!! ReSent-From: KPETERSEN@simtel20.ARPA ReSent-To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA ReSent-Date: Tue 5 Mar 1985 07:28-MST Downloaded SAP41.LBR and like a Sap I ran sap41. Lost 5 megabytes of files. Erased all files then formatted 90% of directory tracks and left me with mostly files that were already erased (maybe all it left was files already erased). Jim ------- 5-Mar-85 19:45:26-MST,1306;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 5 Mar 85 19:45:01-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a020326; 5 Mar 85 21:11 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a019805; 5 Mar 85 20:57 EST From: Dan Davison Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: ZCPR3 confusion: is it worth the trouble on a floppy system? Message-ID: <893@bnl.UUCP> Date: 3 Mar 85 18:19:57 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.cpm:4036 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA I'm confused. I have only a limited amount of time to get files from SIMTEL20 (I'll be off the net i 3 months) and have yet to figure out how to unsqueeze files onces they're FTP'd here. ZCPR3 looks like a good software package to spend my time on getting to my micro, but it appears to be way too large to run usefully on my Z80: 2 ss/dd disks, 188Kb each. Has anyone usefully and efficently used these programs with limited disk space? I FTP'd the ZCPR newsletters and they only confused me further since it looks like a hard disk is needed for the most effective use of ZCPR. Should I spend my time trying to get Small C running instead? Any opinions would be appreciated dan davison ...decvax!philabs!sbcs!bnl!davison davison@bnl.arpa, .bitnet 5-Mar-85 20:35:48-MST,808;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 5 Mar 85 20:35:42-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a020425; 5 Mar 85 22:02 EST Date: 5 Mar 1985 19:50 MST (Tue) Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Bug in SAP41 found! I just picked this up from the Sysop Clearinghouse RCPM: Date: 03/05/85 From: Bill Duerr Re: SAP41 A message on TCBBS stated that SAP41 wrecked disks! I had to try it, Sure did! Compare SAP41 to SAP40 and in the "CLNLOP" routine of SAP41 there is a jump: JC FIL$E5 in SAP40 it is: JZ FIL$E5 This would replace each valid directory with "E5"s. 5-Mar-85 22:00:42-MST,794;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 5 Mar 85 22:00:30-MST Received: from usc-isid.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a020606; 5 Mar 85 23:04 EST Date: 5 Mar 1985 23:02-EST Sender: ABN.ISCAMS@USC-ISID.ARPA Subject: Re: Bug in SAP41 found! From: ABN.ISCAMS@USC-ISID.ARPA To: W8SDZ@SIMTEL20.ARPA Cc: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <[USC-ISID.ARPA] 5-Mar-85 23:02:28.ABN.ISCAMS> In-Reply-To: You know, guys, that's a REALLY elegant bug - a mere JZ changing each valid directory entry to E5! I've never done that well with MY bugs! Usually at least a half dozen different incorrect instructions to just trash part of my hard disk! My congrats. Regards, David Kirschbaum Toad Hall 5-Mar-85 23:22:11-MST,1077;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 5 Mar 85 23:21:49-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a020850; 6 Mar 85 0:20 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a022766; 6 Mar 85 0:10 EST From: Melinda Shore Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: Modem software Message-ID: <223@sphinx.UChicago.UUCP> Date: 4 Mar 85 02:25:52 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.cpm:4037 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA [] >From: ABN.ISCAMS@USC-ISID.ARPA >If you want to do this Thing back-to-back (e.g., not over a telephone), you >could do it through a straight RS-232 connection! You can do it with PIP, but if you want to get two side-by-side computers talking, but dollars to doughnuts you're gonna need a null modem cable. -- Melinda Shore University of Chicago Computation Center uucp: ...!ihnp4!gargoyle!sphinx!shor Mailnet: staff.melinda@uchicago.mailnet Bitnet: shor%sphinx@uchicago.bitnet ARPA: staff.melinda%uchicago.mailnet@mit-multics.arpa 6-Mar-85 00:11:58-MST,1696;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 6 Mar 85 00:11:46-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a021109; 6 Mar 85 1:38 EST Date: Tue 5 Mar 85 23:37:54-MST From: Rick Conn Subject: Re: ZCPR3 confusion: is it worth the trouble on a floppy system? To: davison%bnl.uucp@BRL-TGR.ARPA cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA, RCONN@SIMTEL20.ARPA In-Reply-To: Message from "Dan Davison " of Sun 3 Mar 85 18:19:57-MST You are right that ZCPR3 thrives best in a hard disk environment, but it also is useful in small floppy disk environments. One of the newsletters addressed this question, and a tradeoff table was presented which discussed the tradeoffs. I personally use ZCPR3 on a hard disk most of the time, but I also have several applications disks which have around 60K of disk overhead devoted to ZCPR3 itself (MENU, VMENU, and VFILER systems). You have many options other than SIMTEL20 thru which ZCPR3 can be acquired. SIG/M is one, Echelon is another, and RBBS systems is a third. Some computer clubs are giving seminars on ZCPR3 installation also. Re Small C, I believe that similar options (SIG/M, RBBS, computer clubs) exist also. How to best use your time? I would recommend that you first acquire all of the pointers info you can (RBBS list, address of SIG/M, address of Echelon, ZCPR3 Helper list, etc) so that you can continue accessing the software after your net access goes away. Once you have this, can the CPM directories on SIMTEL20 and explore whatever tickles your fancy. Lots of good stuff all thru the directories. Rick ------- 6-Mar-85 06:58:15-MST,1224;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 6 Mar 85 06:58:09-MST Received: from mitre-bedford.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a023139; 6 Mar 85 8:21 EST Date: Wednesday, 6 Mar 1985 08:13-EST From: jrv@mitre-bedford.ARPA To: d3unix!jhs@mitre-bedford.ARPA Cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: MOV transient protectors I can't see why more than one MOV would be necessary to protect the AC power (hot to neutral), because I can't see anything that would drive a transient from hot to ground or ground to neutral. Big, inductive loads switching on and off (motors, relays) create transients from hot to neutral. Any sources outside the building can only drive transients from hot to both ground and neutral, because ground and neutral are connected at the circuit breaker box. Assuming the building is wired with grounded outlets, all three wires run in parallel from the breaker box to the outlet, so even VHF radiation can't drive a big differential mode signal. The only source I could think of for a big signal from ground to something else is a lightning strike to just one wire - and I wouldn't expect any MOV to handle that! - Jim Van Zandt 6-Mar-85 12:42:47-MST,1759;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 6 Mar 85 12:42:35-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a001943; 6 Mar 85 14:04 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a007225; 6 Mar 85 13:42 EST From: Chuck McManis Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: keyboards Message-ID: <521@intelca.UUCP> Date: 4 Mar 85 16:52:02 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.cpm:4047 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA If you look into the box of the Keyboard you will probably find a microcontroller running it. If that is the case and it is an EPROM version, (or even if it has an EPROM equivalent) You will need to dump out its software, find the table of ascii characters it sends (usually a serial table from 0-7FH but may be grouped differently, eg 0-1F,40-5F,20-3F etc) The distinguishing factor is usually the all numbers from 0-7F appear exactly once, and in a space that is 80H bytes long. Once you have this info (assuming you dumped it into a programmer capable of programming the EPROM version of your micro controller) You can find the ascii representations of the keys you want to redifine in the table and replace the ascii code that a Dvorak keyboard would return. Then program the new micro controller, (*always* save the old one so you can go back to square 1 if you need to) install it and voila, Dvorak in hardware. --Chuck -- - - - D I S C L A I M E R - - - {ihnp4,fortune}!dual\ All opinions expressed herein are my {qantel,idi}-> !intelca!cem own and not those of my employer, my {ucbvax,hao}!hplabs/ friends, or my avocado plant. :-} 6-Mar-85 21:37:39-MST,942;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 6 Mar 85 21:37:34-MST Received: from brl-aos.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a008473; 6 Mar 85 23:10 EST Received: from mit-mc.arpa by BRL-AOS.ARPA id a015642; 6 Mar 85 23:03 EST Received: from MIT-OZ by MIT-MC via Chaosnet; 03/06/85 23:02:30 Date: Wed 6 Mar 85 23:02:27-EST From: "Andrew M. Moore" Subject: MEX on Apple To: info-cpm@MIT-MC.ARPA I'm installing MEX on an Apple II CP/M system, but I can't get MXO-AP12 to assemble properly. I'm using MEX112.COM, MXO-AP12.ASM, and MXO-SM13.ASM. I tried MLOADing everything despite the Undefined-errors while assembling MXO-AP12, and MEX just warm-booted after giving the welcome blurb. (I assume this was because of the errors in assembly). Is there another overlay out for the Apple (using SSM serial card) that I could use? -dru ------- 6-Mar-85 23:09:59-MST,969;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 6 Mar 85 23:09:52-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a008807; 7 Mar 85 0:49 EST Date: Friday, 1 March 1985 09:51-MST Message-ID: Sender: "B. Mitchell" From: "B. Mitchell" Subject: MOV's ReSent-From: KPETERSEN@simtel20.ARPA ReSent-To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA ReSent-Date: Wed 6 Mar 1985 22:40-MST GE also makes a surge protector suitable for connecting to a 120/240 v single phase residential service entrance. It is self-contained with a conduit nipple, and is attached to a knockout hole in the service entrance panel by the main switch (I don't remember the catalog number but any electrical supply house should be able to get it (or an equivalent made by a competitor) for you). Regards, Bill Mitchell WB2IAU ({ihnp4!}lcuxc!wjm) 7-Mar-85 02:19:18-MST,878;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 7 Mar 85 02:18:57-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a008993; 7 Mar 85 3:49 EST Date: Monday, 4 March 1985 06:55-MST Message-ID: Sender: Henry Schaffer From: Henry Schaffer Subject: MOV transient protectors -ratings ReSent-From: KPETERSEN@simtel20.ARPA ReSent-To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA ReSent-Date: Thu 7 Mar 1985 01:49-MST I looked at some GE literature I have, and it appears that the voltage rating is in terms of the DC voltage level at which the MOV starts conducting. GE gives both the DC and AC levels in their specs. For example, for the V18ZA1, Maximum Continuous Voltage: DC 14 V; AC 10 V RMS. --henry schaffer n c state univ 7-Mar-85 02:43:37-MST,690;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 7 Mar 85 02:43:33-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a009037; 7 Mar 85 4:14 EST Date: Monday, 4 March 1985 17:22-MST Message-ID: Sender: Steve Noland From: Steve Noland Subject: WHATSN03.LBR UPLOAD ReSent-From: KPETERSEN@simtel20.ARPA ReSent-To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA ReSent-Date: Thu 7 Mar 1985 02:13-MST Just put WHATSN03.LBR in . It is Irv's latest version of WHATSNEW, and accompanies XMDM105. File has 24064 bytes, and CRC of 43 64. Regards, Steve Noland 7-Mar-85 14:01:13-MST,846;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 7 Mar 85 14:01:08-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a026096; 7 Mar 85 15:14 EST Date: 7 Mar 1985 13:14 MST (Thu) Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: SAP42 now available from SIMTEL20 SAP42 is now available from SIMTEL20 as: Filename Type Bytes CRC Directory MICRO: SAP42.LBR.1 BINARY 13696 247DH This one is SAFE! Doesn't erase all your files like SAP41 did. SAP42 has a new assembly-time feature to NOT delete zero-length files. This can be handy for some programs other than the disk catalog program, that mark a disk with a zero-length file. --Keith 7-Mar-85 17:32:35-MST,747;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 7 Mar 85 17:32:29-MST Received: from csnet-pdn-gw by AMSAA.ARPA id a002425; 7 Mar 85 19:06 EST Received: from ti-csl by csnet-relay.csnet id a012208; 7 Mar 85 19:03 EST Date: 7 Mar 1985 1359-CST From: MENG%ti-csl.csnet@CSNET-RELAY.ARPA Subject: Re: Query re: Unix/C Prologs To: MOORE.LOSANGEL%ibm-sj.csnet@CSNET-RELAY.ARPA, info-ibmpc%usc-isib.arpa@CSNET-RELAY.ARPA, info-cpm%amsaa.arpa@CSNET-RELAY.ARPA, prolog-request%su-score.arpa@CSNET-RELAY.ARPA cc: MENG%ti-csl.csnet@CSNET-RELAY.ARPA In-Reply-To: Your message of 4-Oct-84 1745-CDT Received: from csl60 by ti-csl; Thu, 7 Mar 85 17:54 CST ------- 8-Mar-85 07:37:58-MST,991;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 8 Mar 85 07:37:34-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a006356; 8 Mar 85 8:56 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a009637; 8 Mar 85 8:50 EST From: ir320 Newsgroups: net.micro,net.micro.cpm,net.micro.apple,net.lang.pascal Subject: Turbo 3.0 Message-ID: <1947@sdcc6.UUCP> Date: 5 Mar 85 19:30:57 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro:10144 net.micro.cpm:4056 net.micro.apple:1824 net.lang.pascal:276 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Latest news on Turbo 3.0. All of the goodies of Turbo 2.0 plus Turtle graphics, BCD support, an EXIT statement (ala UCSD) and 2x compilation speed. John Antypas UC San Diego uucp: ...!{ucbvax,ihnp4,noscvax,akgua}!sdcsvax!sdcc6!ix255 arpa/internet: sdcc6!ix255@sdcsvax sdcsvax!sdcc6!ix255@{Nosc,Berkeley} decnet: ucbvax!sdcsvax!sdcc6!ix255%DECWRL bitnet: sdcsvax!sdcc6!ix255%WISCVM 8-Mar-85 09:35:26-MST,2433;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 8 Mar 85 09:35:12-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a008979; 8 Mar 85 10:53 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a013050; 8 Mar 85 10:45 EST From: Chuck McManis Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: Dynamic Memory Message-ID: <523@intelca.UUCP> Date: 7 Mar 85 17:10:42 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.cpm:4057 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA > I tried to install dynamic memory in my CompuPro system (8085/8088). The > board could be strapped for up to 8 wait states so I didn't think that > I would have any problems. I figured that in the worst case 8 wait states > would be alright since the memory was so cheap. Wrong! I put the memory > at 0000H and I couldn't get the 8085 to boot under CP/M since the disk > controller (DISK1) was too fast for the memory even with 8 wait states. > I put the memory above my RAM16's and tried to use the 8088 (CP/M86) > debugger to deposit values in the memory without any luck. The only way > I could get the memory to work was to run my 8085 at 2 MHZ with no wait > states. > > The lesson to be learned is that if you have a disk controller that > does DMA don't buy dynamic memory. > > Dennis [BRAKE@ARI-HQ1] Which board was strapped to 8 wait states? If it was your memory the next question becomes does the disk-1 even recognize waitstates on the bus? An acquaintence at one of the local computer clubs spent a long time developing a set of PALs (Programmable Array Logic) that could fully implement the IEEE TMA (DMA to the rest of the world) spec that did take into account external ready from the destination or source memory addresses. If done in individual chips the circuit would have been quite large (he estimates 15 to 20 packages) I have heard that the problems with Dynamic Ram and DMA were one of the most hotly debated subjects at the IEEE-696 meetings. And the end result was a workable solution but not many DRAM boards at the time met them. --Chuck -- - - - D I S C L A I M E R - - - {ihnp4,fortune}!dual\ All opinions expressed herein are my {qantel,idi}-> !intelca!cem own and not those of my employer, my {ucbvax,hao}!hplabs/ friends, or my avocado plant. :-} 8-Mar-85 10:32:51-MST,2995;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 8 Mar 85 10:32:36-MST Received: from ut-ngp.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a009580; 8 Mar 85 11:42 EST Date: Thu, 7 Mar 85 20:23:21 cst From: "riggs, austen" Posted-Date: Thu, 7 Mar 85 20:23:21 cst Message-Id: <8503080223.AA11284@ut-ngp.ARPA> Received: by ut-ngp.ARPA (4.22/4.22) id AA11284; Thu, 7 Mar 85 20:23:21 cst To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: ramdisk on kaypro's Cc: garey@UT-NGP.ARPA I've seen both the SWP co-88 board and the Microsphere board in action. I prefer the Microsphere board. You can by the board sans RAM's for about $200 and right now 256K rams can be bought for about $10 each so that one megabyte ram is about $320. This gives you a 1 meg ramdisk with built in print buffer for about $520. Also the board is mounted in a box externally (my friend put it inside the kaypro though), connected through the parallel port, and provides a new parallel port for the printer hook-up. Also there is a provision for hooking it up to a separate power supply so you can turn off your kaypro without turning off the ramdisk. The SWP board goes inside the kaypro, mounted behind the drives. It attaches through a piggyback board on the Z80 socket, so this may preclude other upgrades that connect in the same way. The board is limited to 256K ram, which isn't enough to interest me (I have 2 800K floppies). The 8088 coprocessor is allright, but because of limitations of the kaypro as a terminal it can run very little ms-dos software. I have a friend that managed to get most of a C compiler working on it but a utility package that came with the compiler wouldn,t run. if you want to mess around a little with ms-dos, and don't mind a small (256K) ram disk, the SWP board would be ok, but so far it is unexpandable, and of 4 people I know with it, none are at all happy with its performance as a coprocessor running ms-dos. I HAVE A QUESTION NOW-------- Has anyone out there managed to get a hard disk running on a Kaypro? I'm about to attempt it. There is a company called HDS out in California that sells an adapter that goes in the Z80 socket and provides a SASI interface for a hard disk. The price is $95 and supposedly includes the BIOS patch and formatting software etc. The trouble is I've called them 3 times so far. Each time I get an answering service and am promised that HDS will call me back later and they never have. i'm not sure I want to deal with a company like that at all, but if their adapter works then for $250 (for a Western digital Hard Disk controller), and $200 to $400 for a 10 mbyte hard disk, plus $50 or so for cables and a power supply adds up to $650-$750 for the set-up, less if I use the $75 5 Meg disks available. Does anyone have any suggestions or experiences to relate about putting a hard disk on a Kaypro? Thanks jim Garey garey@ut-ngp.arpa 8-Mar-85 14:38:29-MST,986;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 8 Mar 85 14:38:20-MST Received: from usc-isi.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a011803; 8 Mar 85 13:34 EST Date: 8 Mar 1985 13:33-EST Sender: CHATHAM@USC-ISI.ARPA Subject: ProMonitor-8, PluPerfect, KayPro II to IV mod From: CHATHAM@USC-ISI.ARPA To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Cc: chatham@USC-ISI.ARPA Message-ID: <[USC-ISI.ARPA] 8-Mar-85 13:33:24.CHATHAM> I made the Micro-C II to IV mod to my KayPro (Highland Microkit's implementation) last night. I added the Micro-C Pro monitor 8, but left my SSDD 191k drives in place (Priority 1 is still testing the DSDD remex 2/3 height ones i sent back.) Now none of the disks with the Plu-Perfect cpm "2.2E" system on them will boot. The 2.2 distributed with my KayPro does boot. I didn't know how much I liked 2.2E until I tried to use old 2.2 again. Anybody know what's wrong? ralph chatham (chatham@usc-isi.arpa) 8-Mar-85 19:41:35-MST,1100;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 8 Mar 85 19:41:26-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a018453; 8 Mar 85 20:50 EST Date: 8 Mar 1985 18:50 MST (Fri) Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Need CC11.C from Small-C version 2 One of our SIMTEL20 users has reported that there is some garbage in the file CC11.CQ of library SMC-SRC.LBR in the directory MICRO:. He says "I'm not a C programmer but the garbage seems to be inside a comment and may not be serious." Rather than try to figure out if there is any damage, I would appreciate getting a fresh copy of that file if anyone has it. Please don't send it by netmail - just let me know if you have it someplace accessable on the net and I'll make arrangements to get it. Thanks! --Keith Usenet: ...!decvax!brl-bmd!w8sdz or ...!unc!brl-bmd!w8sdz or ...!seismo!brl-tgr!w8sdz 9-Mar-85 00:38:24-MST,1631;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 9 Mar 85 00:38:14-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a018990; 9 Mar 85 2:00 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a008424; 9 Mar 85 1:45 EST From: Ken Dellinger Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: Has the Rainbow been dropped? Message-ID: <63@orphan.UUCP> Date: 7 Mar 85 22:08:37 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.cpm:4059 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA > According to the most recent Computerworld, DEC has dropped production > of the Rainbow. The article stated that DEC has a large number of them > in stock, and will try to run the stock out. The article also stated > that while the production run of Rainbows has stopped, it could always > be restarted. > > Jeff Edelheit > (edelheit@mitre) The "official" word that I got internally (within DEC, not intra- dermally) is that DEC has not dropped production of the Rainbow but is re-fitting the Rainbow production facility to produce some- thing else. I also heard that DEC should be announcing new features and upgrades for the Rainbow within the next month. Where these things will be produced is what I don't know. Ken Dellinger Digital Equipment Corporation 9570 S.W. Barbur Blvd. Portland, OR 97219 / decvax \ anywhere! < > !decwrl!orphan!ken \ ucbvax / ================================================================================ 9-Mar-85 01:22:14-MST,987;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 9 Mar 85 01:22:04-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a019035; 9 Mar 85 2:53 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a009628; 9 Mar 85 2:43 EST From: Gollem uucp link Newsgroups: net.wanted.sources,net.micro.cpm Subject: lar utility Message-ID: <647@asgb.UUCP> Date: 6 Mar 85 23:48:30 GMT Xref: seismo net.wanted.sources:600 net.micro.cpm:4060 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Recently there was a posting to the net which referenced a UNIX utility, "lar", which would create (and I assume unpack) libraries compatible with CP/Ms "LU" program. If someone has a copy of this utility and would mail it to me, I would really appreciate it. I rapidly get tired when transferring lots of files, one at a time, over 1200 baud lines. Thanks, Rob Greenbank Burroughs, Boulder CO (decvax!ittvax!dcdwest!sdcsvax!bmcg!asgb) 9-Mar-85 09:28:41-MST,2285;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 9 Mar 85 09:28:28-MST Received: from brl-hep.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a019710; 9 Mar 85 10:59 EST Received: from mit-mc.arpa by BRL-AOS.ARPA id a001953; 9 Mar 85 10:59 EST Date: 9 March 1985 10:58-EST From: "R. P. Miller" To: INFO-CPM@MIT-MC.ARPA The subject of this bug(?) report is CATLOG as found on SIMTEL. We have been using the catalog series for many years and have had little difficulty with any of the utilities found within. Until now, that is. It seems that when creating very large MAST.CAT files (in excess of 2500 entries - 70K or thereabouts), that XCAT fails to do its job correctly. The symptom is that after reporting +/- 1200 entries, or 32K worth, of data, XCAT quits! This is happening to me and to one or two others in the DC area who have created large catalogs of their col- lections; in excess of 32K. What is happening? Is there an equate or piece of code that must be changed to permit XCAT to be fully functional on 32K+ files?? Upon looking at the source, and not being much of an assembly language program- mer, I suspect that the problem could be in the vicinity of the FCB being brought in and its relationship with the identification of the next extent to be accessed. Has anyone else had experience with this innocuous little irri- tation? If so, please leave a fix here so we can all enjoy this good program. By the by, the version of XCAT being used is 4.2, dated 8/22/84. I think Irv Hoff had something to do with this version. Another problem, although not seen as a bug by me, it is an irritation that could be alleviated. The symptom is that when using PRINTLST everything goes fine until PRINTLST comes across a line of disk numbers (representing multiple copies of one program) that extends beyond the number of columns available for their display. Upon seeing a blank field at the beginning of the next line, due to their being more numbers to report from the previous program listed, PRINTLST goes into never-never land. Is there a simple fix for this??? Any help that can be given will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance... Ray Miller ARPEE at MIT-MC 9-Mar-85 13:18:46-MST,1124;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 9 Mar 85 13:18:38-MST Received: from rand-unix.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a019997; 9 Mar 85 14:55 EST Received: by rand-unix.ARPA; Sat, 9 Mar 85 11:29:13 pst From: Bridger Mitchell Message-Id: <8503091929.AA00349@rand-unix.ARPA> Date: 09 Mar 85 11:29:09 PST (Sat) To: CHATHAM@USC-ISI.ARPA Cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA, bridger@rand-unix.ARPA Subject: Re: ProMonitor-8, PluPerfect, KayPro II to IV mod In-Reply-To: Your message of 8 Mar 1985 13:33-EST. <[USC-ISI.ARPA] 8-Mar-85 13:33:24.CHATHAM> Hi-- You can readily relocate Plu*Perfect Systems' CP/M 2.2E to be compatible with the Micro-cornucopia Kaypro II rom. A 63.00K 2.2E system will run DateStamper and 4 quad-density drives with that rom. If you don't have DateStamper (you should get it!) you can go up to 63.75K. CP/M 2.2E disk versions K-1C or K3-A and later are needed to support this relocation. Upgrades are still $5 plus original disk. Check with Ed at Plu*Perfect (714-659-4432) for further details. --bridger 10-Mar-85 08:47:43-MST,1395;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 10 Mar 85 08:47:37-MST Received: from ut-ngp.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a021227; 10 Mar 85 10:12 EST Date: Sat, 9 Mar 85 18:11:08 cst From: "riggs, austen" Posted-Date: Sat, 9 Mar 85 18:11:08 cst Message-Id: <8503100011.AA26149@ut-ngp.ARPA> Received: by ut-ngp.ARPA (4.22/4.22) id AA26149; Sat, 9 Mar 85 18:11:08 cst To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: re Pro 8 ROM, Kaypro Cc: chatham@USC-ISI.ARPA The problem is Plu-Perfect is a replacement bios. You probably had the version for the II. The pro-8 rom requires a Kaypro IV BIOS to work properly, I know, because I've been running the Pro 8 rom since it came out. It may or may not work with single sided disks with a II bios, but certainly will not run with double sided disk drives and a kaypro II bios. The problem with your REMEX drives may well be that you were trying to run double sided drives with a bios set up for single sided drives. Find someone with a Kaypro IV and get them to sysgen a disk for you. also get their "Kaypro IV" version of sysgen and config.com, because the "Kaypro II" versions of these utilities don't work properly on "IV" disks. As for the Plu-Perfect stuff, you'll have to contact them about getting the Kaypro IV version. Good Luck Jim Garey garey@ut-ngp 10-Mar-85 14:51:36-MST,719;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 10 Mar 85 14:51:32-MST Received: from brl-hep.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a021582; 10 Mar 85 16:31 EST Received: from mit-mc.arpa by BRL-AOS.ARPA id a005444; 10 Mar 85 16:24 EST Received: from MIT-EECS by MIT-MC via Chaosnet; 10 MAR 85 16:23:02 EST Date: Sun 10 Mar 85 16:23:40-EST From: Andrew Moore Subject: Z80A/Z80B pinout To: info-cpm@MIT-MC.ARPA Does the 6.0 MHz Z80B have the same pinout as the 4.0 MHz Z80A? Can I replace the Z80A with the Z80B by simply switching chips and not making any other hardware modifications? -dru T.MOORE%MIT-EECS@MIT-MC.ARPA ------- 11-Mar-85 10:57:25-MST,880;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 11 Mar 85 10:57:13-MST Received: from mitre.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a023778; 11 Mar 85 8:04 EST Date: 11 Mar 1985 7:55:10 EST (Monday) From: Jeffrey Edelheit Subject: Re: Has the Rainbow been dropped? In-Reply-to: Your message of 7 Mar 85 22:08:37 GMT To: Ken Dellinger Cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Ken - The words I am now hearing indicate that the production of the "original" Rainbow has stopped, but a new version that is compatible with the IBM-PC will soon be announced (released, shipped?). The statement was that the new version would also support CP/M-86 and supposedly be compatible with the original machine. I guess it goes to show that you can't trust Computerworld. Jeff Edelheit (edelheit@mitre) 11-Mar-85 12:10:23-MST,1305;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 11 Mar 85 12:09:11-MST Received: from ucb-vax.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a008503; 6 Mar 85 23:34 EST Received: from ucbarpa.ARPA by UCB-VAX.ARPA (4.24/4.42) id AA04505; Wed, 6 Mar 85 20:28:00 pst Received: by ucbarpa.ARPA (4.24/4.42) id AA12165; Wed, 6 Mar 85 20:33:43 pst Date: Wed, 6 Mar 85 20:33:43 pst From: Jordan Hayes on ttyd1 Message-Id: <8503070433.AA12165@ucbarpa.ARPA> Apparently-To: Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 85 13:23:41 EST Resent-From: cpmlist@AMSAA.ARPA Resent-To: info-cpm@ucb-vax.ARPA Home Phone: (415)835-8767 To: info-cpm-request@amsaa.ARPA I am running an Osborne Executive with CP/M+ [3.0] and am desperately looking for a good advanced CP/M+ programmer's reference. Osborne is not too helpful in this area. Any recomendations are welcomed. If there is enough response, I will summarize and post. Please mail ideas, comments, etc. Also, does Turbo Pascal have access to bdos calls ? If not, do any of the other pascal packages ? Thanks in advance... /jordan hayes ARPA : jordan@ucbvax UUCP : ..!ucbvax!jordan {am I naive, or does everyone know how to get to ucbvax on UUCP ?} 11-Mar-85 14:32:48-MST,1849;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 11 Mar 85 14:32:25-MST Received: from su-star.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a007441; 11 Mar 85 15:44 EST Date: 11 Mar 85 12:32:00 PST From: "R. MEIER" Subject: small c installation To: info-cpm Reply-To: "R. MEIER" Keith Patterson and info-cpm, I too had difficulty installing small c and after talking to Ron Cain (the original author), I fixed several of the files and included jump tables (which Ron said were there, when he gave it to Jim Hendrix). I also wrote a three page installation checklist. I have tried to contack Keith Peterson (please excuse mispelling) but have only received notices of undeliverable mail. Our mailer has several difficulties. If someone can assist me in reaching Keith, I would like to see the files on the archive corrected. At the time of this message, I have not yet brought up version 2. I am instead looking at development of a relocating linker and a series of languages (ASM, Z80ASM, C80, F77, etc.) that will produce standard relocatable code, so that the languages can be mixed and matched to the particular job. (Lisp = superior node, C = control level, Fortran = number crunching) The features that I seek most are virtual memory, and library searching for unsatified linkages. After being burned by buying expensive commercial software that turned out to be woefully inconsistent, or mutually incompatible, and finding no public domain software that meets the needs, I outlined a development schedule to generate such. If someone out there knows of, is working on, or is interested in working on such a project (spare time), please contact me. RMEIER@STAR Thank you, Bob (rmeier@star) ------ 11-Mar-85 18:15:30-MST,1440;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 11 Mar 85 18:15:21-MST Received: from ut-ngp.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a010306; 11 Mar 85 19:40 EST Date: Mon, 11 Mar 85 18:38:44 cst From: "riggs, austen" Posted-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 85 18:38:44 cst Message-Id: <8503120038.AA10810@ut-ngp.ARPA> Received: by ut-ngp.ARPA (4.22/4.22) id AA10810; Mon, 11 Mar 85 18:38:44 cst To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: re: z80A/z80B pinouts You can replace the chips with each other. I went from a 2.5 MHz z80 to a Z80B that I run at 5 MHz on my Kaypro. To use the higher clock rate the B chip is capable of you need to change the clock signal. On the Kaypro there are 4 and 5 MHz signals available so a simple jumper is all thats required. However I have a Z80H (8 MHz) on order. From what I gather, I'll need to either change crystals or add a circuit to divide off an 8 MHz signal from somewhere. The hitch is that the computer is designed for one speed. I've also had to reburn the two eproms in my machine on faster parts. other possibilitys of problems are the speed of the ram chips. Some people have had to also upgrade their SIO's and PIO's to the "B" rating, but mine have been fine. I bet if there is a user's group for whatever computer you have, someone there has done it and can help you. Good Luck Jim Garey garey@ut-ngp.arpa 11-Mar-85 19:23:39-MST,2211;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 11 Mar 85 19:23:26-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a010724; 11 Mar 85 20:54 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a018307; 11 Mar 85 20:36 EST From: Keith Doyle Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: Dynamic Memory Message-ID: <440@cadovax.UUCP> Date: 8 Mar 85 21:17:55 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.cpm:4062 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA [............] > I tried to install dynamic memory in my CompuPro system (8085/8088). The > board could be strapped for up to 8 wait states so I didn't think that > I would have any problems. I figured that in the worst case 8 wait states > would be alright since the memory was so cheap. Wrong! I put the memory > at 0000H and I couldn't get the 8085 to boot under CP/M since the disk > controller (DISK1) was too fast for the memory even with 8 wait states. > I put the memory above my RAM16's and tried to use the 8088 (CP/M86) > debugger to deposit values in the memory without any luck. The only way > I could get the memory to work was to run my 8085 at 2 MHZ with no wait > states. > > The lesson to be learned is that if you have a disk controller that > does DMA don't buy dynamic memory. > > Dennis [BRAKE@ARI-HQ1] I have a CompuPro Disk1 that I've been using with an ExpandoRam dynamic card for years! The only problem I've ever had with the dynamic RAM card was in conjunction with an el-cheapo Z-80 CPU card which I believe was solvable, but I decided to scratch the CPU card anyway. How fast is the RAM supposed to be? is it only 2 MHZ? I would think that the DMA speed would be somewhat governed by the rate it's coming off the disk which ain't that fast. Are you sure that speed is the problem? If by some chance the DMA is being clocked with the CPU's clock, maybe something can be done to use a divided by 2 clock for the DMA. However before attempting something like this, I'd make sure that you really have your finger on the problem. Keith Doyle # {ucbvax,ihnp4,decvax}!trwrb!cadovax!keithd "You'll PAY to know what you REALLY think!" 11-Mar-85 20:01:01-MST,1709;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 11 Mar 85 20:00:50-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id aa10724; 11 Mar 85 20:54 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a018398; 11 Mar 85 20:38 EST From: egb Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: keyboards Message-ID: <650@burl.UUCP> Date: 9 Mar 85 18:47:41 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.cpm:4063 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA > > My father is very interested in getting a hardwired Dvorak keyboard > rtkey (Smartkey) to do the Dvorak in software, but there are problems using > those types of programs. The Kaypro uses a serial port rather than a > parallel port to connect the keyboard. What needs to be done to change > the way the keyboard is decoded before it goes to the computer? Would > it be a matter of a neew ROM somewhere? Can you buy a serial Dvorak > keyboard somewhere that would work on the Kaypro? Any help or Info > would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks Jim Garey garey@ut-ngp.arpa One of the ways I converted from an IBM EBCDIC keyboard to an ASCII computer input was to read the incoming eight bits from the keyboard and use them as the second byte to address a "page" of memory (256 bytes). At each individual address was the ASCII equivalent of the EBCDIC code---- worked like a charm. Should be possible to do the same thing to simulate a Dvorak keyboard---- read the ASCII keyboard, place the Dvorak equivalent at the addresses and provide that value to the computer input. Does require programming in assembly language, though. Ed Baldwin, Burlington, N.C. burl!egb 11-Mar-85 20:35:35-MST,1506;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 11 Mar 85 20:35:22-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a010712; 11 Mar 85 20:52 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a018237; 11 Mar 85 20:34 EST From: Jeff Hull Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: CP/M & MS-DOS on S-100 Bus??? Message-ID: <465@spp2.UUCP> Date: 9 Mar 85 02:18:32 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.cpm:4061 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Last month (I think) in BYTE there was a letter that claimed that someone is now producing an S-100 bus CPU board that will plug into any Compupro system & will let you run both CPM-86 & MS-DOS. The letter implied (or seemed to) that with this board, I could run IBM PC programs. Does anyone out there know any more about this? I am very sceptical because the IBM PC & programs written for it involve a lot more than just the CPU. Specifically, the keyboard & screen interfaces are very well defined. I am very interested because I have over $2K worth of PC SW I acquired during a consulting contract that I can't presently use because I have a CP/M system. I don't want to throw away all of my CP/M stuff & I don't want 2 completely incompatible systems. Does anybody have any ideas (other than the board mentioned above)? -- Blessed Be, Jeff Hull {decvax,hplabs,ihnp4,scdrdcf,ucbvax} 13817 Yukon Ave. trwrb!trwspp!spp2!jhull Hawthorne, CA 90250 11-Mar-85 21:39:20-MST,1171;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 11 Mar 85 21:39:12-MST Received: from usc-isid.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a011356; 11 Mar 85 22:42 EST Date: 11 Mar 1985 22:41-EST Sender: ABN.ISCAMS@USC-ISID.ARPA Subject: XCCP Comments From: ABN.ISCAMS@USC-ISID.ARPA To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Cc: abn.iscams@USC-ISID.ARPA Message-ID: <[USC-ISID.ARPA]11-Mar-85 22:41:41.ABN.ISCAMS> NetLandians, Stumbled across the (new?) directory in our treasure trove MICRO: at SIMTEL20... MICRO:etc.etc. Really NICE utility! Plugs right in, runs great (even with my much abused and hacked CCP, BDOS, and BIOS). Gives you multiple commands on the command line, a kind of file name expansion for certain commands, easy switching from/to user area and disk, default searching of Disk A User 0. Replaces several patches I had already done to my own system, and several SUBMIT-type utilities I was using for "batch" jobs. No source code for the .COM file, unfortunately, so thank goodness it works so well! Really a nice job - try it! Regards, David Kirschbaum Toad Hall (ABN.ISCAMS@USC-ISID.ARPA) 11-Mar-85 22:11:32-MST,754;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 11 Mar 85 22:11:11-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a010814; 11 Mar 85 21:09 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a018976; 11 Mar 85 20:50 EST From: mwm%ucbtopaz.cc.ucb-vax.arpa@BRL-TGR.ARPA Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: Dynamic Memory Message-ID: <809@ucbtopaz.CC.Berkeley.ARPA> Date: 9 Mar 85 06:08:32 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.cpm:4064 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA > The lesson to be learned is that if you have a disk controller that > does DMA don't buy dynamic memory. Please don't tell my Intersystems Box! I'd hate for the DMA to quit working after 5 years [4 MHz z80, no wait states]. Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 11 Mar 85 23:14:00-MST Received: from su-score.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a011055; 11 Mar 85 21:42 EST Date: Mon 11 Mar 85 18:41:59-PST From: Sam Hahn Subject: Re: CP/M & MS-DOS on S-100 Bus??? To: jhull%spp2.uucp@BRL-TGR.ARPA cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA In-Reply-To: Message from "Jeff Hull " of Sat 9 Mar 85 02:18:32-PST Perhaps you caught a reference to Compupro's video board. That provides software with PC-compatible graphics (so I'm told), and therefore enables your Compupro dual-processor or 86/286 board to run MSDOS with a reasonable chance of compatibility with the PC. The board I'm referring to also has a keyboard plug, so that you can run with a PC-compatible keyboard, and bypass the system console i/o. The central processor is not on this board, however, so if you're running a 8-bit CP/M system, you'd still need the 8088 from someplace. I'm expecting to see a demonstration of this video board at the next Piconet Compupro SIG meeting in 2 weeks; -- if anyone's interested, I'll let you know what my impressions are after I see it (smell it, etc). -- sam hahn ------- 12-Mar-85 02:40:29-MST,1357;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 12 Mar 85 02:40:23-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a012911; 12 Mar 85 4:02 EST Date: 12 Mar 1985 02:01 MST (Tue) Message-ID: From: "Frank J. Wancho" To: INFO-CPM@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Bad SIG/M files fixed Earlier we had discovered some "bad" SIG/M files in the earlier volumes and Keith Petersen managed to get quite a few fixed. Last month Mike Niswonger (CNISWONGER@SIMTEL20) volunteered to check them out again and spent several weeks correcting any remaining discrepancies. His report of the final status is available as a regular ASCII text file in MICRO:BAD-SIGM.FILES.2. If you had the occassion to grab files from the following volumes prior to 18 Feb 85, it would be a good idea to check Mike's report to see if you need to get the corrected copies: 004 029 050 064 005 034 051 065 006 037 052 066 010 039 053 073 020 040 055 076 024 041 057 077 025 042 058 078 026 044 061 079 085 Thank you Keith and Mike! Finally, I am aware that SIG/M volumes 157, 159, and 161 are still missing. We should have that situation corrected in the near future. --Frank 12-Mar-85 17:01:26-MST,1424;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 12 Mar 85 17:01:18-MST Received: from gunter-adam.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a002832; 12 Mar 85 17:51 EST Mail-From: OPERATOR created at 12-Mar-85 16:34:56 Date: Tue 12 Mar 85 16:34:56-CST From: The Mailer Daemon To: DSDC-SDT2@GUNTER-ADAM.ARPA Subject: Message of 12-Mar-85 16:32:29 ReSent-Date: 12 Mar 1985 16:53:11 CST ReSent-From: Walt Livingston ReSent-To: INFO-CPM@AMSAA.ARPA Message failed for the following: info-cpm@SIMTEL20.ARPA: 550 No such local mailbox as "info-cpm", recipient rejected ------------ Date: 12 Mar 1985 16:32:29 CST Subject: INFO ?? From: Walt Livingston To: info-cpm@SIMTEL20.ARPA cc: dsdc-sdt2@GUNTER-ADAM I am using a Product Associates keyboard/display into a DEC-2020 running TOPS-20. I have been trying to get a document off the MICRO: repository for sometime and encounter a file name such as "basic^v/5.doc.2" The problem is the up-arrow, how do I duplicate this for the file name or is it some kind of non-printable character for our DEC ? If I enter the up-arrow (upside down vee) I get something to the effect of an invalid character in the file name. What am I doing wrong. I plead total dumbness on this one..Thanks in advance.... Walt ------- ------- 12-Mar-85 18:34:21-MST,924;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 12 Mar 85 18:34:16-MST Received: from rand-unix.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a002977; 12 Mar 85 18:43 EST Received: by rand-unix.ARPA; Tue, 12 Mar 85 14:33:33 pst From: Bridger Mitchell Message-Id: <8503122233.AA07009@rand-unix.ARPA> Date: 12 Mar 85 14:33:29 PST (Tue) To: Info-CPM@AMSAA.ARPA Cc: randvax!bridger@rand-unix.ARPA Subject: Otrona Attache warmboot anomaly? The Otrona Attache running cp/m 2.2.3 or 2.2.5 appears to handle warm-boots in some non-standard way. When the bios warm-boot jump is intercepted, diverted to a resident system extension module that loads the C register with the logged-in drive from (0004) and jumps to the CCP entry, the system hangs. Does someone have the bios code, other experience, or a CURRENT contact for technical info? Thanks. --bridger 12-Mar-85 19:03:56-MST,966;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 12 Mar 85 19:03:43-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a003058; 12 Mar 85 19:50 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a003500; 12 Mar 85 19:41 EST From: Aaron Temin Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: S-100 disk system upgrades - info request Message-ID: <1298@ut-sally.UUCP> Date: 12 Mar 85 17:55:27 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.cpm:4074 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA I have a Cromemco System 3 running CP/M. Currently it has a 4FDC controller and a pair of Persci 277 drives (SSSD). I'm considering an upgrade to some combination of floppy and hard disk systems. I would like to know if anyone has experience doing something similar, and what combinations of software/controllers/drives they have found particularly useful or useless. Thanks, Aaron {seismo, harvard, ucbvax}!ut-sally!temin 12-Mar-85 20:00:48-MST,1586;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 12 Mar 85 20:00:41-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a003467; 12 Mar 85 21:33 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a005588; 12 Mar 85 20:56 EST From: Dave Beyerl Newsgroups: net.micro,net.micro.cpm Subject: Homebrew Text Editor Question Message-ID: <896@ihuxk.UUCP> Date: 11 Mar 85 12:00:14 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro:10179 net.micro.cpm:4077 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Its taken me a while, but I am finally getting around to reading some of the classic "how to" computer science/programming texts. Currently, I am working on Kernighan & Plauger's "Software Tools" and have found it interesting reading. In particular, I find the section on editing most interesting and am considering coding the editor, edit, that they present. The text seems quite complete, and the exercises present some useful suggestions for improvements. As I am running a CP/M rather than a Unix-like system, I realize there will be some differences in the file handling routines and possibly a few other places. What I would like to know is whether anyone else has attempted this conversion and what was your experience? Please no flames about why I would want to do this when there a SO many editors available, I have my reasons. Please reply by mail. Thanks in advance for your help. For every problem there is one Dave Beyerl solution which is simple, neat, ihuxk!db21 and wrong! 12-Mar-85 20:59:51-MST,1002;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 12 Mar 85 20:59:45-MST Received: from sri-china.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a003685; 12 Mar 85 22:25 EST Received: by sri-china.ARPA at Tue, 12 Mar 85 18:54:50 pst Date: Tue, 12 Mar 85 18:54:50 pst From: John Hight Message-Id: <8503130254.AA00924@sri-china.ARPA> To: Aaron Temin Cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Re: S-100 disk system upgrades - info request In-Reply-To: Your message of 12 Mar 85 17:55:27 GMT. <1298@ut-sally.UUCP> Well, I haven't messed with the System 3 that we had at my old job, but it seems to me that we had nothing but troubles with both the Persci 277 and 299 drives. They were constantly gouging diskettes. In addition, both the 4FDC and 16FDC controllers we had were constantly sent in for repair. I would stay away from any of these items. John Hight SRI International (john@sri-tsc) 12-Mar-85 21:57:12-MST,2352;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 12 Mar 85 21:56:46-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a003738; 12 Mar 85 23:13 EST Date: 12 Mar 1985 21:13 MST (Tue) Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: CERTIFY - a disk certification utility now available Thanks to Charlie Strom we now have CERTIFY available from Simtel20: Filename Type Bytes CRC Directory MICRO: CERTIFY.LBR.1 BINARY 17280 A173H Here is an excerpt from the .DOC file: Certify is a Disk Certification and Utility program. It has been placed in the Public Domain by the Author Cark Beck. It comes to you compliments of the Denver, Co. Xerox Computer Club. Certify is essentially menu driven as in the example below: "CERTIFY" DISK CERTIFICATION & UTILITY Rev 2.4 3/29/84 By: Carl Beck Arvada, CO. Enter desired drive. ( A - P) "A" The Disk in Drive A has: 77 Logical Tracks 2 Reserved System Tracks 52 128 Bytes Records per Track 128 Directory Entries. DISK CAPACITY 243 Blocks at 2048 Bytes Each. = 486 Kilobytes. SELECT DESIRED TASK FROM THE FOLLOWING MENU CERT - Read Disk & Report Errors | LOGBAD - Log Bad Blocks in Directory DIR - Print DIR | DIB - Print DIR with Block Numbers CPM - Return to CP/M | DSK - Select a Drive DUMP - Display in Hex/ASCII Only the first 3 letters "DUM" SELECT DESIRED DATA B - Block | T - Track | S - Sector | N - File name R - Return to main menu. If Hex Numbers entered, enter H in front of Number "T" Enter Track Number (1 - 76 ) 1 Enter Sector Number (0 - 51 ) 0 TRACK 1 - SECTOR 0 - PHYSICAL SECTOR 0 - BLOCK -1 addr 00 01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 0A 0B 0C 0D 0E 0F 00 (SECTOR DATA IN HEX) (SECTOR DATA 10 IN ASCII) 20 30 40 50 60 70 And so on and so forth through the various menues. END --Keith 12-Mar-85 23:59:04-MST,532;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 12 Mar 85 23:59:00-MST Received: from jpl-vlsi.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a003939; 13 Mar 85 1:26 EST Date: 12 Mar 1985 2219 PST From: Art Zygielbaum Subject: Info request: Z80 on 8086 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Reply-To: AIZ@JPL-VLSI.ARPA Does anyone know of a program (public domain or not) which will allow me to run Z80 programs on an 8086? I'm running CPM-86 on the 8086. Thanks, Art Zygielbaum ------ 13-Mar-85 00:36:58-MST,532;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 13 Mar 85 00:36:54-MST Received: from jpl-vlsi.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a003972; 13 Mar 85 1:59 EST Date: 12 Mar 1985 2219 PST From: Art Zygielbaum Subject: Info request: Z80 on 8086 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Reply-To: AIZ@JPL-VLSI.ARPA Does anyone know of a program (public domain or not) which will allow me to run Z80 programs on an 8086? I'm running CPM-86 on the 8086. Thanks, Art Zygielbaum ------ 13-Mar-85 04:32:57-MST,747;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 13 Mar 85 04:32:53-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id aa04239; 13 Mar 85 5:57 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a011537; 13 Mar 85 5:47 EST From: rchau Newsgroups: net.micro.apple,net.micro.cpm Subject: How standard is Apple CP/M?----->>>>>additional info Message-ID: <7342@watrose.UUCP> Date: 11 Mar 85 15:42:58 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.apple:1836 net.micro.cpm:4083 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Forgot to leave my name in my earlier query.......so you can salute me if you reply by mail. ray P.S. I've seen a number of articles reffering to SIMTEL... what is it for? 13-Mar-85 04:34:35-MST,1891;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 13 Mar 85 04:34:29-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a004239; 13 Mar 85 5:57 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a011532; 13 Mar 85 5:46 EST From: rchau Newsgroups: net.micro.apple,net.micro.cpm Subject: How standard is Apple CP/M? DR update to version 2.23. Message-ID: <7341@watrose.UUCP> Date: 11 Mar 85 15:35:50 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.apple:1835 net.micro.cpm:4082 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA I've been familiarizing mysef with the CP/M world via a Softcard and Apple II+ combination. As you know, there exist other Z-80 cards which will also work within CP/M. My question concerns what people call standard CP/M. Given any program written for the CP/M operating system, what if any changes are required to adapt it to Apple CP/M ? Is there such thing as a standard set of changes to be made? What books detail this information? I can see that if the Apple CP/M is a superset of the standard CP/M system; then no problems shoud arise unless the program written specifically for Apple's version is run on a standard system. DR's version 2.23 ------------------ I d'ont know if the new version of CP/M from "mom" is a mixed blessing. It provides 4k more room for the TPA, but has changes things in the BIOS and DOS . A friend of mine's says that older files are generally readable under the new system. But ultilities which modify system dependent parameters will also have to be changed. For exampble, He can no longer use his existing 'init' file to set up his "Saturn 128K card" as ram disk under version 2.23. Is anyone out there familiar with the advantages, diaadvantages, mods required to existing stuff , etc resulting from the new release. P.S. Does BDS C run on Apples? 13-Mar-85 05:17:01-MST,834;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 13 Mar 85 05:16:55-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a004359; 13 Mar 85 6:44 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a012557; 13 Mar 85 6:40 EST From: Larry Yudelson Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm,net.micro,net.wanted Subject: Sick Osborne Message-ID: <1241@aecom.UUCP> Date: 12 Mar 85 21:06:35 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.cpm:4084 net.micro:10186 net.wanted:6331 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA My 18 month-old Osborne died today; at least, its CRT did. The drives seem to work, but the screen is blank. I'm looking for pointers to any sources for repairs, help, etc., particularly in the NYC area. Thank you, Larry Yudelson (philabs|ihnp4|pegasus)!aecom!yudelson 13-Mar-85 10:52:27-MST,1417;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 13 Mar 85 10:52:20-MST Received: from xerox.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a010813; 13 Mar 85 12:11 EST Received: from Aurora.ms by ArpaGateway.ms ; 13 MAR 85 09:11:42 PST Date: Wed, 13 Mar 85 12:12 EST From: Thieret.WBST@XEROX.ARPA Subject: What's a good terminal??? To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA cc: Thieret.WBST@XEROX.ARPA Folks... My video board has just died and I want to get a terminal for my S-100 system. I'm getting conflicting reports from the vendors about quality of various brands so I thought that I would address the question to the "unbiased" members of this distribution list. Here's what I want... At least 25x80 character size but I would like 132 columns avail. for spreadsheets Detachable Keyboard is a need! Lots of function keys (I run FinalWord and lots of keys are really nice) 19.2 KBaud RS-232C speed Amber Screen (not necessary but I'm used to it) Price - around $600 (obviously less is better) This describes a pretty much plain vanilla terminal. Which ones are in use out there in netland? Which ones do you like? What about reliability? Last of all - I would be agreeable to purchasing a used model from anyone out there who is interested in selling theirs. Send me specs and $$ information over the net. Thanks Tracy (Thieret.WBST@Xerox.ARPA) 13-Mar-85 13:15:49-MST,1169;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 13 Mar 85 13:15:40-MST Received: from apg-1.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a018305; 13 Mar 85 14:35 EST Date: 13 Mar 1985 14:18:56 EST (Wednesday) From: Robert Bloom AMSTE-TOI 3775 Subject: Re: What's a good terminal??? In-Reply-to: Your message of Wed, 13 Mar 85 12:12 EST To: Thieret.WBST@XEROX.ARPA Cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Wyse-50 looks like a very good one in the class you want - if you ask directly or send a reader-response card from an ad you can get more info. Price = $489 (Page 401, Feb BYTE - 'Silicon Specialties') Quicky info: 14" screen 24x80 or 24x132 7x13 matrix, 128 ascii chars, 32 line drawing graphics detached keyboard 101 keys 16 programmable function key/ 32 combinations soft setup/smooth scroll (4 speeds!) modem spped to 38.4 baud compatible with ADM-31/TVI/ADDS viewpoint/Hazeltine I don't have one (but wish i did) - Maybe some other netlandian can talk about reliability ... I believe Lear Ssiegler also has one in the Wyse-50 class - I think I saw it in this months (Mar) BYTE. -bob 13-Mar-85 13:56:10-MST,857;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 13 Mar 85 13:55:58-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a018754; 13 Mar 85 14:53 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a022131; 13 Mar 85 14:41 EST From: Jack Engle Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: KayPro Schematics Message-ID: <804@loral.UUCP> Date: 11 Mar 85 16:40:27 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.cpm:4085 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Hello all CPM,rs. I have just reentered the world of CPM with a KayPro II. I know wow big deal.... Well the price of the tech manual is $100.00 and I just need to take a peek at it. Please if any one has one Would you please give me your address so I may corospond to you on this mater..... Jack.. 13-Mar-85 17:35:50-MST,1932;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 13 Mar 85 17:34:55-MST Received: from bnl.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a023073; 13 Mar 85 19:03 EST Date: 13 Mar 85 18:58:29 EST From: "John S. Labovitz" To: Thieret.WBST@XEROX.ARPA, info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Re: What's a good terminal??? I like the Wyse-50 a lot. I've got one at home, and we've got about 20 at work. Reliability is pretty good -- the ones we send back usually don't work the first time (e.g., they don't fail months later). We've gotten a few that have a problem with the flyback transformer, and emit an obnoxious high-pitched whine. Also, some of the yokes aren't adjusted correctly, so the screen is sorta tilted. Now the real problems... This has the famous ``attribute-takes-space'' problem. That means that there is an extra space when switching between attributes. This is a real pain, especially because most programs (editors, etc.) don't know about this space. Solution: if all you want is reverse video or dim (and don't need BOTH), you can use ``protected'' mode, and make all protected chars appear in {reverse,dim}. This is what we do. There is a ``feature'' that turns on the auxiliary printer port and disables the screen output and keyboard, causing the terminal to lockup until it receives the ``printer-off' command. Unfortunately, the printer-on code is a ^X, which is line-kill to some machines. If the machine echos all chars (like our Tandem), or if you are running half- duplex or on a TAC, this can be a big problem. Another problem related to this is that there is a printer-on command which does NOT lock out the screen. Problem is, you can't tell whether or not it's on, and if you are running the screen faster than the auxiliary port (which can only go at a max of 19200), you start losing chars to the screen). @hnij@ 13-Mar-85 19:14:48-MST,833;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 13 Mar 85 19:14:42-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a023714; 13 Mar 85 20:48 EST Date: Monday, 4 March 1985 13:24-MST Message-ID: Sender: Marlin Wilson From: Marlin Wilson Subject: MSDOS file system emulation ReSent-From: KPETERSEN@simtel20.ARPA ReSent-To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA, Info-Micro@brl-vgr.ARPA ReSent-Date: Wed 13 Mar 1985 18:48-MST Eons ago, someone posted a program to emulate the CPM file system on floppy disks connected to Unix machines. Does anyone have the same for the MSDOS file system? Marlin Wilson tektronix!tekcrl!marlinw marlinw@tekcrl 13-Mar-85 20:22:49-MST,715;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 13 Mar 85 20:22:43-MST Received: from mitre.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a024157; 13 Mar 85 21:44 EST Date: 13 Mar 1985 21:40:26 EST (Wednesday) From: Jeffrey Edelheit Subject: Re: What's a good terminal??? In-Reply-to: Your message of Wed, 13 Mar 85 12:12 EST To: Thieret.WBST@XEROX.ARPA Cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Tracy - Try looking at some of the Qume terminals. Also, any number of VT-220/100 look-alikes with lots of pf keys (like Televideo). Stay away from the HDS terminals. They have a bad habit of breaking and are rather expensive to fix. Jeff Edelheit (edelheit@mitre) 13-Mar-85 20:48:02-MST,1051;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 13 Mar 85 20:47:55-MST Received: from brl-aos.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a024316; 13 Mar 85 22:17 EST Received: from mit-mc.arpa by BRL-AOS.ARPA id a014941; 13 Mar 85 22:07 EST Received: from MIT-EECS by MIT-MC via Chaosnet; 13 MAR 85 22:06:08 EST Date: Wed 13 Mar 85 22:06:31-EST From: Andrew Moore Subject: Apple MEX overlay? To: info-apple@MIT-MC.ARPA, info-cpm@MIT-MC.ARPA MXO-AP12.ASM was a MEX overlay for Apple CP/M, but it didn't assemble properly, at least when configured for the SSM serial card. I heard that MXO-APCC.ASM was a WORKING replacement, but it doesn't seem to assemble any better than MXO-AP12. Same "U"ndefined errors, and warm boots to CP/M after displaying the MEX welcome message (I went ahead and MLOADed it anyway), just like MXO-AP12. Is there a MEX overlay for Apple CP/M & SSM serial card around that really works?? -dru T.MOORE%MIT-EECS@MIT-MC.ARPA ------- 13-Mar-85 23:56:30-MST,1129;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 13 Mar 85 23:56:07-MST Received: from usc-ecl.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a025323; 14 Mar 85 1:12 EST Received: from ECLD by ECLA with ECLnet; Wed 13 Mar 85 22:09:10-PST Date: Wed 13 Mar 85 22:12:06-PST From: Christopher Ho Subject: HDS To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Office: Ucc 178 (213)743-2957 I must take exception to the warning about HDS terminals. We have ~10 HDS Concepts (the older one with the bettter keyboard), and although we have had some failures (apparently one particular capacitor on the video driver board), I have yet to see a nicer terminal. Amber screen, 80/132 columns, 4 pages of memory standard, line and printer port (which can be configured as a second line), fully programmable function keys. There is an option for even another line, thus accessing 3 different systems. This has got to be the best feature, as I often have to access several systems at once, and logging in/out is a royal pain. Only problem could be price, but you get what you pay for! ------- 14-Mar-85 01:09:47-MST,748;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 14 Mar 85 01:09:38-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a025614; 14 Mar 85 2:14 EST Date: Thursday, 7 March 1985 09:59-MST Message-ID: Sender: "Gordon E. Banks" From: "Gordon E. Banks" Subject: modem7 and Turbodos ReSent-From: KPETERSEN@simtel20.ARPA ReSent-To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA ReSent-Date: Thu 14 Mar 1985 00:14-MST Are there versions of modem7 that work with the turbodos operating system. We are using teletek masters and slaves. How about BYE? Also, is there an overlay for the Morrow Decision 1? (Not the Microdecision). Thanks. 14-Mar-85 04:23:33-MST,5301;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 14 Mar 85 04:22:55-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a026612; 14 Mar 85 5:44 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a003112; 14 Mar 85 5:41 EST From: john chapman Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: Dynamic Memory Message-ID: <1452@watcgl.UUCP> Date: 12 Mar 85 15:26:29 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.cpm:4090 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA > > The lesson to be learned is that if you have a disk controller that > > does DMA don't buy dynamic memory. > > Please don't tell my Intersystems Box! I'd hate for the DMA to quit working > after 5 years [4 MHz z80, no wait states]. > > 3.2 ms to transfer just two 1k sectors; the refresh period of the rams is 2ms, so unless your disk controller is willing to allow the memory to have wait states (which it may very well do - however it is *not* to be taken for granted) or the memory can sneak refresh cycles in while the interface isn't looking (some try to sync up with bus activity and do their refresh cycles after a memory access, which because of the speed of an st506, would work in this case) then your system will not work. Another example : because of the way static rams are set up you can leave the chips enabled all the time and feed in the address bus continually to the chips; when the control circuitry on the board decides the board is actually being addressed for a memory cycle it can gate the data lines to/from the chips and set the read/write enable appropriately. Beacuse of the timing of most of the micros there is a significant delay between the address appearing on the bus and the control/status information describing the cycle appearing on the bus - using the above technique (which is implemented on a board I own) can decrease board access time by significant amounts (50-100 ns). The way that addresses are gated into drams (and cycles initiated) precludes doing this. and on and on and on and on....... Opinion: do not buy a dram board unless you know (or someone you trust tells you) that it will work in the configuration in which you plan to use it; if you buy it be prepared to have to throw it out if you ever want to change any part of your system that does dma (including/especially the cpu). Opinion: if you buy everything from the same manufacturer it will probably all work but eventually you will have the same problem as above (unless the same manufacturer also makes the new board as well). Opinion: I think that one of the big reasons for the decline of S100 popularity is dynamic memory - for what it costs to buy one 64k static board for an s100 you can get 256k dynamic boards (that work) for pc clones; I mean geez, for the price of one Compupro 256k static board you can get a complete sanyo mbc, with disk drive, monitor, software, and 256k. I think this is a crying shame - s100 systems are flexible and do not commit you to a single manufacturer, the bus interface is actually very simple and the entire s100 concept encourages proliferation of ideas, products and concepts. Micros today seem to be heading towards a very mainframe mentality - medicority dominates. Opinion: There is no reason why a good s100 dynamic board could not be made for <500 with 1mbyte of no wait state (and refesh states <5% of the time) memory, given the LSI dram controllers available and the current price of 256k chips. Just keep to the standard. and on and on and on ...... Sorry to be so lengthy, John Chapman ...!watmath!watcgl!jchapman 14-Mar-85 13:07:31-MST,954;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 14 Mar 85 13:07:21-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a009177; 14 Mar 85 14:12 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a021715; 14 Mar 85 13:55 EST From: DAVID DYER-BENNET MRO1-2/L14 DTN 231-4076 Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: intel => zilog opcode mnemonic filter Message-ID: <1092@decwrl.UUCP> Date: 13 Mar 85 22:20:58 GMT Sender: daemon%decwrl.uucp@BRL-TGR.ARPA Xref: seismo net.micro.cpm:4092 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Is there a public-domain program to convert assembler programs from Intel 808 mnemonics to Zilog mnemonics? Ideally it would also handle the extensions to the 8080 mnemonic set for Z80 instructions. (I have a friend with direct arpanet access so I can get things from SIMTEL20 if necessary.) -- David Dyer-Bennet -- ...decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-mrvax!ddb 14-Mar-85 13:07:36-MST,1342;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 14 Mar 85 13:07:29-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a009150; 14 Mar 85 14:11 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a021686; 14 Mar 85 13:55 EST From: DAVID DYER-BENNET MRO1-2/L14 DTN 231-4076 Newsgroups: net.micro,net.micro.cpm Subject: AMPRO SCSI/plus adapter Message-ID: <1090@decwrl.UUCP> Date: 13 Mar 85 22:15:48 GMT Sender: daemon%decwrl.uucp@BRL-TGR.ARPA Xref: seismo net.micro:10201 net.micro.cpm:4091 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Has anybody used the AMPRO SCSI/plus adapter, particularly on something OTHER THAN an Ampro little board? Especially on a DEC VT180? I'm gearing up to put hard disk on my VT180, a classic "closed" Z80/CPM system, and this is the best-looking approach I've found yet. Also, how likely am I to find "scsi-compatible" disk controllers that won't work with this adapter? And how likely am I to find "ST506" disk controllers that don't work with some particular "ST506 compatible" drive? How careful do I have to be choosing my pieces? Is there any hope taht oops tHAt the DMA chip option will work with my existing system? What is it likely to conflict with? -- David Dyer-Bennet -- ...decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-mrvax!ddb 14-Mar-85 13:46:19-MST,982;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 14 Mar 85 13:46:12-MST Received: from nosc-gw by AMSAA.ARPA id a000664; 14 Mar 85 9:18 EST Received: from cod.ARPA by nosc.ARPA (4.17/4.7) id AA12906; Thu, 14 Mar 85 06:18:57 pst Received: by cod.ARPA (4.17/4.7) id AA28291; Thu, 14 Mar 85 06:17:38 pst Date: Thu, 14 Mar 85 06:17:38 pst From: Jonathan Melby Message-Id: <8503141417.AA28291@cod.ARPA> To: info-cpm-request@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Re: What's a good terminal??? In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed Mar 13 09:40:50 1985 Resent-Date: Thu, 14 Mar 85 15:14:13 EST Resent-From: cpmlist@AMSAA.ARPA Resent-To: info-cpm@nosc.ARPA ------- I would recommend considering the Wise 75 terminal, 38.4 kbaud, smooth scroll, lots of bells and whistles, VT-100 compatable and all for under $600 in single unit quanitys MELBY@NOSC ------- 14-Mar-85 15:04:30-MST,756;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 14 Mar 85 15:04:23-MST Received: from brl-aos.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a016888; 14 Mar 85 16:20 EST Received: from mit-mc.arpa by BRL-AOS.ARPA id a028804; 14 Mar 85 16:12 EST Received: from wisc-rsch.arpa by MIT-MC.ARPA; 14 MAR 85 16:10:58 EST Date: Thu, 14 Mar 85 15:11:40 cst From: Bob Fenchel Message-Id: <8503142111.AA01375@wisc-rsch.arpa> Received: by wisc-rsch.arpa; Thu, 14 Mar 85 15:11:40 cst To: info-apple@MIT-MC.ARPA, info-cpm@MIT-MC.ARPA Subject: Mex/Modem apple overlays Is there any version of Modem, mex, yam etc. that works with an Apple IIe with Microsoft premium 2e softcard and apple super serial card? 14-Mar-85 17:14:06-MST,1320;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 14 Mar 85 17:13:48-MST Received: from usc-isid.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a017810; 14 Mar 85 18:46 EST Date: 14 Mar 1985 18:45-EST Sender: ABN.ISCAMS@USC-ISID.ARPA Subject: Re: What's a good terminal??? From: ABN.ISCAMS@USC-ISID.ARPA To: Thieret.WBST@XEROX.ARPA Cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <[USC-ISID.ARPA]14-Mar-85 18:45:40.ABN.ISCAMS> In-Reply-To: The message of Wed, 13 Mar 85 12:12 EST from Thieret.WBST@XEROX.ARPA Tracy, I've been using my faithful Freedom 100 (Liberty Electronics) since they first came out, and have been quite happy. However, not 132-column, and the function keys are NOT truly programmable! I understand their newer models (150?) do have programmable function keys and 132-column. Always liked their commands (very similar to Televideo 925s in my case), and have had no problems at all. Good keyboard (even the old version), good screen, graphics (well, kind of) even. Usual disclaimer - not associated with Liberty Electronics, don't sell the bloody things, etc. Just a satisfied user with his first terminal, and cheap at that! (Also hear very good things about the Wyse family of terminals.) Regards, David Kirschbaum Toad Hall (ABN.ISCAMS@USC-ISID) 14-Mar-85 17:38:13-MST,662;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 14 Mar 85 17:38:03-MST Received: from usc-isid.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a017871; 14 Mar 85 19:08 EST Date: 14 Mar 1985 19:07-EST Sender: ABN.ISCAMS@USC-ISID.ARPA Subject: Re: intel => zilog opcode mnemonic filter From: ABN.ISCAMS@USC-ISID.ARPA To: ddb%mrvax.dec@BRL-TGR.ARPA Cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <[USC-ISID.ARPA]14-Mar-85 19:07:53.ABN.ISCAMS> In-Reply-To: <1092@decwrl.UUCP> David, I've used XLATE2 from the SIGM Vol 91 disk with good effect. I believe it's available in the SIMTEL20 archives. Regards, David Kirschbaum ABN.ISCAMS 14-Mar-85 19:24:11-MST,858;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 14 Mar 85 19:24:05-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a017988; 14 Mar 85 20:57 EST Date: 14 Mar 1985 18:53 MST (Thu) Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Bob Fenchel Cc: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Mex/Modem overlays In-reply-to: Msg of 14 Mar 1985 14:11-MST from Bob Fenchel A list of all known Modem7 overlays is in: Filename Type Bytes CRC Directory MICRO: M7OVL-23.LST.1 ASCII 4818 D281H For a list of all known MEX overlays, see: Filename Type Bytes CRC Directory MICRO: MEXOVL03.LQT.1 BINARY 6528 94CEH --Keith 14-Mar-85 20:31:37-MST,1033;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 14 Mar 85 20:31:10-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a018088; 14 Mar 85 21:54 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a004745; 14 Mar 85 21:50 EST From: bill%persci.uucp@BRL-TGR.ARPA Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: DR update to version 2.23. Message-ID: <118@persci.UUCP> Date: 13 Mar 85 16:27:19 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.cpm:4095 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA > DR's version 2.23 > I dont know if the new version of CP/M from "mom" is a mixed blessing. > It provides 4k more room for the TPA, but has changes things in the > BIOS and DOS . A friend of mine's says that older files are > generally readable under the new system. But ultilities which > modify system dependent parameters will also have to be changed... I haven't heard about 2.23. I am interested!! Please tell me more!!! Bill Swan (..uw-beaver!tikal!persci!bill) -- 'Old Bagpipers never die, they just blow away...' 14-Mar-85 21:24:34-MST,398;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 14 Mar 85 21:24:28-MST Received: from edwards-2060.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a018286; 14 Mar 85 22:52 EST Date: Thu 14 Mar 85 19:54:32-PDT From: BUSSARD@EDWARDS-2060.ARPA Subject: BBOARD To: INFO-CPM@AMSAA.ARPA PLEASE ADD ME TO INFO-CPM THANK YOU, LEWIS BUSSARD BUSSARD@EDWARDS-2060 ------- 15-Mar-85 09:39:51-MST,1012;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 15 Mar 85 09:39:29-MST Received: from ucb-vax.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a000449; 15 Mar 85 10:56 EST Received: from ucbjade.CC.Berkeley.ARPA (ucbjade.ARPA) by UCB-VAX.ARPA (4.24/4.42) id AA10917; Fri, 15 Mar 85 07:50:34 pst Received: from ucbamber.CC.Berkeley.ARPA (ucbamber.ARPA) by ucbjade.CC.Berkeley.ARPA (4.19/4.34.1) id AA00434; Fri, 15 Mar 85 07:56:16 pst Received: by ucbamber.CC.Berkeley.ARPA (4.19/4.34) id AA18731; Fri, 15 Mar 85 07:56:10 pst Date: Fri, 15 Mar 85 07:56:10 pst From: swillett%ucbamber.CC@ucb-vax.ARPA Message-Id: <8503151556.AA18731@ucbamber.CC.Berkeley.ARPA> To: engle%loral.uucp@BRL-TGR.ARPA, info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Re: KayPro Schematics I don't have a tech manual but I did get a schematic from Micro Cornucopia in Bend, Oregon for a few dollars. You can check out their ads in PROFILES or in many other computer mags. They have much stuff related to KAYPRO> 15-Mar-85 09:43:38-MST,669;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 15 Mar 85 09:43:33-MST Received: from brl-bmd.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a000622; 15 Mar 85 11:04 EST Date: Fri, 15 Mar 85 10:54:27 EST From: David Roth (USASSC) To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Wanted:GRID_Compass OS Version of XMODEM Please reply by mail. Thanks in advance. David Roth droth@brl-bmd US Mail: COMMANDER USA Soldier Support Center ATSG-DTU-S Attn: Mr. David Roth Fort Benjamin Harrison, IN 46216-5590 AUTOVON:699-4965 FTS:335-4965 COMMERCIAL:(317) 542-4965 15-Mar-85 10:35:52-MST,1229;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 15 Mar 85 10:35:45-MST Received: from ucb-vax.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a000695; 15 Mar 85 11:08 EST Received: from ucbjade.CC.Berkeley.ARPA (ucbjade.ARPA) by UCB-VAX.ARPA (4.24/4.42) id AA11053; Fri, 15 Mar 85 08:02:56 pst Received: from ucbamber.CC.Berkeley.ARPA (ucbamber.ARPA) by ucbjade.CC.Berkeley.ARPA (4.19/4.34.1) id AA00642; Fri, 15 Mar 85 08:08:46 pst Received: by ucbamber.CC.Berkeley.ARPA (4.19/4.34) id AA18861; Fri, 15 Mar 85 08:08:43 pst Date: Fri, 15 Mar 85 08:08:43 pst From: swillett%ucbamber.CC@ucb-vax.ARPA Message-Id: <8503151608.AA18861@ucbamber.CC.Berkeley.ARPA> To: ddb%mrvax.dec@BRL-TGR.ARPA, info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Re: intel => zilog opcode mnemonic filter Try the XLATE programs in micro: - XLATE5.LBR (binary) would seem to be the most current, although you might want to download XLATE2-11. DOC and take a look (1059 bytes in ascii). I have not used this stuff for a year or so, and when I did it was for about ten minutes so I make no promises that my recollection is correct! BUT - I think they are 8080 - z80 translators. Let me know Steve Willett 15-Mar-85 16:26:00-MST,694;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 15 Mar 85 16:25:56-MST Received: from mit-mc.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a010718; 15 Mar 85 17:58 EST Date: 15 March 1985 17:57-EST From: Herb Lin Subject: repair of floppy disk drives... To: BBOARD@mit-mc.ARPA, info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA, info-micro@AMSAA.ARPA cc: LIN@mit-mc.ARPA I have a pair of 8" Qume 842 floppy drives; one has died, givig me seek errors. Does anyone know of a good repair outfit (preferably but not necessarily in the Boston area) that could help? What's the ballpark for prices? pls reply to me directly. many thanks. herb lin (lin@mit-mc) 15-Mar-85 18:35:09-MST,1233;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 15 Mar 85 18:34:58-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a010949; 15 Mar 85 19:56 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a009110; 15 Mar 85 19:45 EST From: ir320 Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Wordstar postprocessors Message-ID: <1963@sdcc6.UUCP> Date: 13 Mar 85 19:19:58 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.cpm:4102 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA I have tried to mail to the origonal poster several times but I can't get through so, if you're out there, please respond: As I had asked this person, there is a said postprocessor for Wordstar to allow column printing. Does anyone know what it is called and how much it costs? Second: Does anyone out there know of any way to tell wordstar to take the next CHARACTER verbatem (not line). I need that to send commands to printer/post processors of my own. Believe it or not an Apple word processor has this feature and it's very useful. John Antypas UC San Diego uucp: {ucbvax,ihnp4,noscvax,bang,bmcg,dcdwest,akgua}!sdcsvax!sdcc6!ix255 arpa: sdcsvax!sdcc6!ix255@{Nosc,Berkeley) sdcc6!ix255@sdcsvax.arpa 15-Mar-85 23:18:03-MST,1037;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 15 Mar 85 23:17:41-MST Received: from ucb-vax.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a011811; 16 Mar 85 0:51 EST Received: from ucbarpa.ARPA by UCB-VAX.ARPA (4.24/4.42) id AA25337; Thu, 14 Mar 85 12:47:22 pst Received: by ucbarpa.ARPA (4.24/4.42) id AA27999; Thu, 14 Mar 85 12:52:59 pst Date: Thu, 14 Mar 85 12:52:59 pst From: Jordan Hayes on ttyp7 Message-Id: <8503142052.AA27999@ucbarpa.ARPA> Organization: Computer Systems Research Group, U.C. Berkeley, USA Office: 461 Evans Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Phone-Number: +1 (415) 642-7780 Home-Phone: (415) 835-8767 Uucp-Path: ...decvax!ucbvax!jordan To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: No cpm+ programmers out there ?! Hey, I posted a few weeks ago about finding a good cpm+ (3.0) programmer's reference book, and have (as of now) zero replies. Is anyone doing any ? I'd really like to hear from you, and what reference you use... Thanks. /jordan 15-Mar-85 23:56:08-MST,1272;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 15 Mar 85 23:56:00-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a011831; 16 Mar 85 1:18 EST Date: Fri 15 Mar 85 23:19:14-MST From: Jon Albers Subject: Re: Sick Osborne To: yudelson%aecom.uucp@BRL-TGR.ARPA cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA In-Reply-To: Message from "Larry Yudelson " of Tue 12 Mar 85 21:06:35-MST Is your Osborne an Executive or an Osborne one. If it is an Executive, and I is one of the first 3000 or so -- be warned------ There is a defect in the video board: I found this out from a friend who took a course in OCC products repair. It seems that on some of the very first Ozzie Execs there is a defect in the video board that after about the first 6-12 months begins to appear: A bad diode apparently fails, and causes a transister in the screen drive to be destroied---no internal monitor, and the repair (according to him) runs about $145 (you need a whole new monitor, apparently). HOWEVER, THE RF MODULATER STILL WORKS!! Use an external monitor (still runs about $100) and it will work. I hope this helps... Jon Albers JALBERS@SIMTEL20 ------- 16-Mar-85 02:19:12-MST,2605;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 16 Mar 85 02:19:02-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a012039; 16 Mar 85 3:44 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a015991; 16 Mar 85 3:40 EST From: Sam Chin Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: Dynamic Memory Message-ID: <1010008@acf4.UUCP> Date: 16 Mar 85 02:24:00 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.cpm:4105 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA <<<>>> From my (minimal) knowledge about chip design, I seem to recall that for a given technology (say NMOS), a single bit of a static ram consisted of a master slave flip flop which retains its value once set. On the other hand a bit from a dynamic ram could be made quite simply from two transistors and two inverters in the form: | ___ ___ | | | = transistor ___| |______ --- | | | | o >o = inverter ___ | ^ ----------->o------| and that the above could be refreshed by a 2 phase clock since the charge eventually leaks. From this I can conclude that dynamic rams can be made denser and faster than static rams (master slave flip flops require much more logic per bit). Since the charge does not leak that often (say once a minute or so in room temperature) and that they use so much less logic, they should also consume less power than static rams. Also the above dynamic ram design is suitable for implementation in VLSI. Why then is a 256K static ram board $1500 and 256K of dynamic ram chips merely $100? Why can I get static ram which will run with a 12 Mhz 68000, a 8 Mhz 80286 and a 8Mhz Z80 and not dynamic ram which will do the same? Why does every one advertise static ram as "low power". Am I looking at different technologies (NMOS vs CMOS)? What is the S-100 standard for providing a signal to the ram board for dynamic ram refresh? If there is why doesn't everyone adhere to it? I also believe that a dynamic ram controller such as the Intel 8203 has an internal timer which will provide fail safe refresh. Other than that to minimize wait states due to refresh cycles, one could generate a refresh request whenever a bus cycle occurs and memory is not accessed (for example during an I/O cycle) Sam Chin allegra!cmcl2!acf4!tsc2597 tsc2597.acf4@nyu 16-Mar-85 02:41:11-MST,1336;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 16 Mar 85 02:41:03-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id aa12039; 16 Mar 85 3:44 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a015995; 16 Mar 85 3:40 EST From: Sam Chin Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: Info request: Z80 on 8086 Message-ID: <1010007@acf4.UUCP> Date: 16 Mar 85 01:15:00 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.cpm:4106 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA <> I use a CPM 2.2 emulator from Lomas Data Products which runs on CPM/86. On a 10Mhz 8086 it runs about the speed of a 1-2 Mhz 8080. It does not support Z-80 opcodes. I'm pretty sure it is generic and should run on other than Lomas hardware. It does not support all CPM 2.2 functions and typically will not run programs which use overlays or chain to each other. Does anyone know of a CPM 2.2 emulator which is complete and runs all CPM 2.2 software? The address of Lomas is : 66 Hopkinton Road Westboro, MA 01581 (617) 366-6434 and I think the price was $60. Sam Chin allegra!cmcl2!acf4!tsc2597 tsc2597.acf4@nyu 16-Mar-85 04:29:05-MST,1027;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 16 Mar 85 04:28:44-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a012374; 16 Mar 85 5:44 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a016710; 16 Mar 85 5:40 EST From: "Kurt L. Reisler" Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm,net.micro,net.wanted Subject: Re: Sick Osborne Message-ID: <137@hadron.UUCP> Date: 16 Mar 85 04:56:31 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.cpm:4107 net.micro:10229 net.wanted:6360 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA > > My 18 month-old Osborne died today; at least, its CRT did. The drives > seem to work, but the screen is blank. I'm looking for pointers to > any sources for repairs, help, etc., particularly in the NYC area. > A good place to start is your local Xerox Business Center. They have been providing national support to owners of the old OZ1 while Osborne was in Chater 11 land, and they continue to do so. Kurt Reisler (My other computer is an Osborne 1) 16-Mar-85 06:15:32-MST,1112;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 16 Mar 85 06:15:26-MST Received: from brl-aos.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a012731; 16 Mar 85 7:43 EST Received: from simtel20.arpa by BRL-AOS.ARPA id a012495; 16 Mar 85 7:37 EST Date: 16 Mar 1985 05:36 MST (Sat) Message-ID: From: CSTROM@SIMTEL20.ARPA Subject: MEX for PX-8 To: INFO-CPM@BRL.ARPA cc: CSTROM@SIMTEL20.ARPA, INFO-MODEM7@SIMTEL20.ARPA New Mex overlays for Epson Geneva/PX-8 Lap machine I have uploaded MXO-PX8.AQM and MXO-PX8.DQC to Simtel's directory. This overlay supports the Epson Geneva (PX-8) CP/M lap portable. The overlay has two modes of operation, with the external serial port or the internal modem as implemented in the stand-alone unit or the multi-function unit (MFU). The latter allows for automatic tone dialing. Since this overlay is rather complicated and non-standard due to the special hardware architecture of the PX-8, it is strongly recommended that the separate document file be downloaded. -Charlie 16-Mar-85 06:37:56-MST,651;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 16 Mar 85 06:37:34-MST Received: from xerox.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a012810; 16 Mar 85 8:10 EST Received: from Muscat.ms by ArpaGateway.ms ; 16 MAR 85 05:11:24 PST Date: Sat, 16 Mar 85 08:11 EST From: ClarkMD.henr@XEROX.ARPA Subject: Re: RCPM-059.LQT phone list of all known RCPMs updated In-reply-to: To: Keith Petersen cc: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA, ClarkMD.henr@XEROX.ARPA Keith--- Please send me the RCPM phone list and put me on the mailing list. Thanks, Dale 16-Mar-85 09:14:07-MST,3042;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 16 Mar 85 09:13:53-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a013296; 16 Mar 85 10:40 EST Date: 16 Mar 1985 08:41 MST (Sat) Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: New files added to SIMTEL20 between 2-Mar and 16-Mar The following is a list of new files added to SIMTEL20's directories between 2-Mar-85 and 16-Mar-85. For a complete list of all files, get MICRO:CPM.CRCLST. MICRO: LBRDSK23.LBR.1 BINARY 16384 B65DH MICRO: SAP41.BUG.1 ASCII 1629 89AAH SAP41.FIX.1 ASCII 325 32EFH SAP42.LBR.1 BINARY 13696 247DH SD97.FIX.1 ASCII 2841 C46CH MICRO: CERTIFY.LBR.1 BINARY 17280 A173H MICRO: MEXOVL03.LQT.1 BINARY 6528 94CEH MXO-PX8.AQM.1 BINARY 22400 FB95H MXO-PX8.DQC.1 BINARY 7552 2279H MICRO: AUSPAM17.FEB.1 ASCII 6447 CEC6H MICRO: PACKET86.LBR.1 BINARY 154112 68C9H README.TXT.1 ASCII 2956 1CC9H MICRO: RBBS37.NOTE.1 ASCII 759 DBC0H MICRO: WHATSN03.LBR.1 BINARY 24064 4364H MICRO: SUBMIT.PAT.1 ASCII 807 FBC2H MICRO: NCRC.EXE.6 ASCII 4470 E5BAH NCRC.MID.6 ASCII 9885 B366H MICRO: DU3.COM.1 BINARY 11520 D248H DU3.MAC.1 ASCII 83472 D68BH DU3.MQC.1 BINARY 56064 0C5CH IF.COM.1 BINARY 2304 6C52H IF.MAC.1 ASCII 10467 7C7AH POKEGO1.DOC.1 ASCII 2567 C387H TCSELECT.COM.1 BINARY 2816 DEE2H TCSELECT.MAC.1 ASCII 11743 0B7DH VFILER.COM.1 BINARY 11776 FDE8H VFILER.MAC.1 ASCII 98654 E638H VFILER.MQC.1 BINARY 68224 D744H Z3NEWS.106.1 ASCII 12982 8CE2H MICRO: DU3.COM.2 BINARY 11520 D248H DU3.MAC.2 ASCII 83472 D68BH IF.COM.2 BINARY 2304 6C52H IF.MAC.3 ASCII 10467 7C7AH POKEGO1.DOC.1 ASCII 2567 C387H TCSELECT.COM.2 BINARY 2816 DEE2H TCSELECT.MAC.3 ASCII 11743 0B7DH VFILER.COM.4 BINARY 11776 FDE8H VFILER.MAC.4 ASCII 98654 E638H Z3NEWS.106.1 ASCII 12982 8CE2H --end-- 16-Mar-85 09:32:52-MST,1075;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 16 Mar 85 09:32:46-MST Received: from usc-isid.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a013308; 16 Mar 85 10:44 EST Date: 16 Mar 1985 10:43-EST Sender: ABN.ISCAMS@USC-ISID.ARPA Subject: Re: Wordstar postprocessors From: ABN.ISCAMS@USC-ISID.ARPA To: ir320%sdcc6.uucp@BRL-TGR.ARPA Cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <[USC-ISID.ARPA]16-Mar-85 10:43:55.ABN.ISCAMS> In-Reply-To: <1963@sdcc6.UUCP> John, Re postprocessor for Wordstar for column printing: I use a little utility (public domain) called DBLPRINT or something like that - public domain, I think from SIMTEL20 archives. Not very sophisticated - takes the whole document and reforms it into two columns - maybe not what you need. Re forcing WordStar to take the next character... I thought ^P did that! I know it forces whatever character you enter to its CTRL-equivalent, but what else would you have to force? Sorry, more questions than answers! Regards, David Kirschbaum Toad Hall (ABN.ISCAMS@USC-ISID) 16-Mar-85 16:18:19-MST,604;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 16 Mar 85 16:18:14-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a014859; 16 Mar 85 17:50 EST Date: 16 Mar 1985 15:50 MST (Sat) Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: SIMTEL20 CPM directory list update MICRO:CPM.CRCLST on SIMTEL20 (the file listing all the filenames, sizes and CRCs of the MICRO directories) has been updated as of today. --Keith 16-Mar-85 19:32:27-MST,1592;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 16 Mar 85 19:32:20-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a015802; 16 Mar 85 20:54 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a023284; 16 Mar 85 20:50 EST From: john chapman Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: S-100 disk system upgrades - info request Message-ID: <1467@watcgl.UUCP> Date: 15 Mar 85 14:28:15 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.cpm:4113 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA I have a tarbell dd disk controller which ran flawlessly for a year (I switched to a different controller for reasons havinf nothing to do with the tarbell board) and never had a single problem. This was in conjunction with an 8mhz 8086 in both a terminated and unterminated busses at various times). The board handles any combination of single/double density and single/double sided drives. One nice feature is that data transfer can be either by dma or by pio (so it will work in systems with dynamic memory or other dma constraints). Physically the board is of high quality and the documentation is both extensive and clear. I once had the tarbell single density controller and when I had a problem with it the tarbell people were quite helpful (in fact they used to offer a deal whereby if you bought a kit rather than a&t and couldn't get it to work after assembly they would fix it free of charge). It can be found (check byte) for $419 from various mail order houses. John ....!watmath!watcgl 16-Mar-85 23:46:34-MST,1973;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 16 Mar 85 23:46:25-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id aa17265; 17 Mar 85 1:16 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a025747; 17 Mar 85 0:44 EST From: Al Schwartz Newsgroups: net.micro,net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: Homebrew Text Editor Question Message-ID: <367@psivax.UUCP> Date: 15 Mar 85 23:33:23 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro:10243 net.micro.cpm:4114 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA In article <896@ihuxk.UUCP> db21@ihuxk.UUCP (Dave Beyerl) writes: > Its taken me a while, but I am finally getting around to >reading some of the classic "how to" computer science/programming >texts. Currently, I am working on Kernighan & Plauger's "Software >Tools" and have found it interesting reading. In particular, I >find the section on editing most interesting and am considering >coding the editor, edit, that they present. The text seems >quite complete, and the exercises present some useful suggestions >for improvements. >For every problem there is one Dave Beyerl >solution which is simple, neat, ihuxk!db21 There is someone who has converted this editor to C and made improvements to it. He now sells the source code. The product is called "RED". For more info contact: Edward K. Ream RED: $95 1850 Summit Ave. Manual: $10 Madison, WI 53705 (608) 231-2952 Versions available: CPM80 (requires BDS C or AZTEC CII compiler). MSDOS (binary is shipped along with source, no compiler is required). CPM68K (Digital Research C V1.1 is required). -- Hey bud... Let's party. Al Schwartz Pacesetter Systems Inc., Sylmar, CA {trwrb|allegra|burdvax|cbosgd|hplabs|ihnp4|sdcsvax|aero|uscvax|ucla-cs| bmcg|sdccsu3|csun|orstcs|akgua|randvax}!sdcrdcf!psivax!al or {seismo|citcsv|engvax|wlbr|zeus}!scgvaxd!psivax!al 17-Mar-85 13:14:13-MST,974;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 17 Mar 85 13:14:07-MST Received: from ucb-vax.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a021499; 17 Mar 85 14:47 EST Received: from ucbjade.CC.Berkeley.ARPA (ucbjade.ARPA) by UCB-VAX.ARPA (4.24/4.42) id AA12043; Sun, 17 Mar 85 11:41:57 pst Received: from ucbamber.CC.Berkeley.ARPA (ucbamber.ARPA) by ucbjade.CC.Berkeley.ARPA (4.19/4.34.1) id AA01765; Sun, 17 Mar 85 11:48:06 pst Received: by ucbamber.CC.Berkeley.ARPA (4.19/4.34) id AA01302; Sun, 17 Mar 85 11:40:27 pst Date: Sun, 17 Mar 85 11:40:27 pst From: swillett%ucbamber.CC@ucb-vax.ARPA Message-Id: <8503171940.AA01302@ucbamber.CC.Berkeley.ARPA> To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: QwikKey version 2.0 documentation I have read the warnings on SIMTEL20 about the QwikKey 2.0 program but have looked in vain for any documentation on any version after 1.2. Any one out there know where there is any such? Steve Willett 17-Mar-85 20:38:51-MST,742;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 17 Mar 85 20:38:46-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a023805; 17 Mar 85 22:09 EST Date: Sun 17 Mar 85 20:10:25-MST From: Jon Albers Subject: Info and Software needed for the QT S-100 clock board. To: INFO-CPM@AMSAA.ARPA cc: info-micro@AMSAA.ARPA I am in great need for an assembly routine that will display and set the time on a QT Computer Systems, Inc., 'Quick and Timely" S-100 clock/calendar card. If anyone has or knows of such a routine, please PLEASE send it to me. Jon Albers JALBERS@SIMTEL20 RCP/M: Communications Oracle 301-656-5280 ------- 18-Mar-85 07:35:25-MST,854;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 18 Mar 85 07:35:05-MST Received: from utexas-20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a028140; 18 Mar 85 8:42 EST Date: Mon 18 Mar 85 07:43:14-CST From: Douglas Good Subject: ZCPR2 for Kaypro IV To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA I'm pretty sure this problem has already been solved but I don't remember the answer. I've gotten ZCPR2 running with the library made for the Kaypro but I need to run it for an RBBS so I need to make some changes in the ZCPRHDR.LIB file. But when I try to install it it doesn't work. The only way I can get it to work is to use the provided ZCPR.HEX file. If this answer is already laying around somewhere in the depths of the SIMTEL20 someone please tell me. Thanks in advance. --Doug Good ------- 18-Mar-85 09:55:32-MST,1659;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 18 Mar 85 09:55:07-MST Received: from usc-isid.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a001539; 18 Mar 85 11:06 EST Date: 18 Mar 1985 11:05-EST Sender: ABN.ISCAMS@USC-ISID.ARPA Subject: Lat/Long Software? From: ABN.ISCAMS@USC-ISID.ARPA To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Cc: abn.iscams@USC-ISID.ARPA, abn.simmons-admin@USC-ISID.ARPA Message-ID: <[USC-ISID.ARPA]18-Mar-85 11:05:40.ABN.ISCAMS> NetLandians, I'm looking for public domain source code (BASIC, Pascal, Assembler, I don't care) that will work with Latitude/Longitude, geographic coordinate, and polar coordinate data. I have some Army Aviation people that would like to fiddle with that, trying to find fast ways for flight calculations. (I know this has all been done before, but they want to learn.) I read the article in Byte Mar 85 on navigation, but that's sextant-based. I need something that, given various ways of locating yourself, will help to compute time/distance factors. There's a nice 747 flight simulator program that does a lot of this, but it's all built into a simulation, and I don't have the heart to peel it out! Second request (for me): I can get CDOS (Cromemco DOS) formatted software from the USAF TAC micro office at Langley AFB, but have no Cromemco Z80 machines to read the disks (5.25 soft sector) with. Anybody got the tricks to read CDOS floppies? Is it just a matter of disk/ track/sector format? There's stuff in SIGM to let Cromemcos read CP/M, but I've found nothing the other way around. Thanks in advance, David Kirschbaum ABN.ISCAMS@USC-ISID 18-Mar-85 10:08:21-MST,1854;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 18 Mar 85 10:08:11-MST Received: from usc-isid.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a001627; 18 Mar 85 11:15 EST Date: 18 Mar 1985 11:14-EST Sender: ABN.ISCAMS@USC-ISID.ARPA Subject: Compass Course Software From: ABN.ISCAMS@USC-ISID.ARPA To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Cc: abn.iscams@USC-ISID.ARPA, abn.jfk-cos@USC-ISID.ARPA Message-ID: <[USC-ISID.ARPA]18-Mar-85 11:14:34.ABN.ISCAMS> NetLandians, (Probably for a small, elite segment, this offering!) One of my military friends had to lay in a new compass course for military training. It involved a bunch of different stakes scattered over the countryside (within swamps, on vertical cliffs, typical spots). His outfit wanted to insure (1) All students running the course would go approximately the same distance, (2) would be scattered as much as possible (so as not to cheat by following each other), and (3) would be provided azimuth and distance between points, (4) all starting from the same point and (hopefully some day) returning to the same point. I did a fast hack in Microsoft BASIC on a CP/M machine and got a nice little program. You enter the grid coordinates of all the points (plus the start/ end point) in a sequential text file. The system takes it from there, crudely using trial-and-error to reduce "collisions" at points, maximizing dispersion, etc. Produces listing of "legs" each student (up to 50 students) must follow, including azimuth (in degrees) and distance (in meters) to a couple of decimal points (just for laughs). Works slow but effectively. So... if any of you people have to go through the map and protractor routine for this business .. yell and we'll figure how to get it to you. Regards, David Kirschbaum Toad Hall (ABN.ISCAMS@USC-ISID) 18-Mar-85 11:19:55-MST,1128;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 18 Mar 85 11:19:47-MST Received: from ucb-vax.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a003829; 18 Mar 85 12:50 EST Received: from ucbarpa.ARPA by UCB-VAX.ARPA (4.24/4.42) id AA03486; Mon, 18 Mar 85 09:45:23 pst Received: by ucbarpa.ARPA (4.24/4.42) id AA06296; Mon, 18 Mar 85 09:51:30 pst Date: Mon, 18 Mar 85 09:51:30 pst From: Jordan Hayes on ttyp2 Message-Id: <8503181751.AA06296@ucbarpa.ARPA> Organization: Computer Systems Research Group, U.C. Berkeley, USA Office: 461 Evans Hall, Berkeley, CA 94720 Phone-Number: +1 (415) 642-7780 Home-Phone: (415) 835-8767 Uucp-Path: ...ucbvax!jordan To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Port I/O from MBASIC... Does anyone know how to do port I/O in MBASIC (5.21 or similar) -- you can't just open a device as a file... I have read the documentation for OUT and IN, but how do you know which 'port-address' to use, or find the status of the port ? Any help appreciated... /jordan ------------ ARPA: jordan@ucbvax.ARPA UUCP: ..!ucbvax!jordan 18-Mar-85 19:54:49-MST,1642;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 18 Mar 85 19:54:40-MST Received: from usc-isid.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a016752; 18 Mar 85 21:16 EST Date: 18 Mar 1985 20:32-EST Sender: ABN.ISCAMS@USC-ISID.ARPA Subject: Re: Port I/O from MBASIC... From: ABN.ISCAMS@USC-ISID.ARPA To: jordan%ucbarpa@UCB-VAX.ARPA Cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <[USC-ISID.ARPA]18-Mar-85 20:32:38.ABN.ISCAMS> In-Reply-To: <8503181751.AA06296@ucbarpa.ARPA> Jordan, When I absolutely had to (on this Morrow Decision of mine), I used the MBASIC INP and OUT to work with the Morrow ports. Mine is weird because you must poke (well, OUT) a value to one location to flip the I/O board to that port "family", and THEN INP another location to check port status (doing various masking for ready condition), and THEN OUT a third location to shoot the port! Ugh! If you have source code for your BIOS, check the CONIN and CONOUT, LISTOUT, PUNOUT, etc. They all deal with ports in, out, ready/busy, and you can pick up the AND masking values there. (Also the addresses.) All my port addresses are low (less than 80H, naturally), and can be addressed as integers, so INP and OUT work fine. However anything heavy going on (lots of fast changing status), and BASIC is just too slow to do that INP/OUTing very well. Now if I were only more knowledgeable on interfacing machine language programs with MBASIC... Much rather do the tricky stuff there and hand values to and from the ML segment. Hope this was some help. Regards, David Kirschbaum Toad Hall (ABN.ISCAMS@USC-ISID) 18-Mar-85 20:42:42-MST,1076;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 18 Mar 85 20:42:32-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a016824; 18 Mar 85 21:52 EST Date: 18 Mar 1985 19:36 MST (Mon) Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA, Info-Micro@brl-vgr.ARPA Subject: March 1985 PAMS phone number list available Thanks to Bill Blue, we now have the latest PAMS list which shows the phone numbers of all known Public-Access Message and file-transfer Systems. It is now available via anonymous FTP from SIMTEL20 as MICRO:OTHERSYS.MQR. This is a "squeezed" binary file which must be "unsqueezed" with the USQ utility. If you cannot FTP it, and you are not already on the list to receive it via netmail, send a note to me asking to be added to the PAMS-People list. --Keith Usenet: ...!decvax!brl-bmd!w8sdz or ...!unc!brl-bmd!w8sdz or ...!seismo!brl-tgr!w8sdz 19-Mar-85 07:43:48-MST,835;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 19 Mar 85 07:43:38-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a000218; 19 Mar 85 7:03 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a027255; 19 Mar 85 5:53 EST From: Eric Hestenes Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: Mex/Modem apple overlays Message-ID: <819@sdcsla.UUCP> Date: 18 Mar 85 02:14:48 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.cpm:4123 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA > Is there any version of Modem, mex, yam etc. that works with an Apple IIe > with Microsoft premium 2e softcard and apple super serial card? I also would like to hear of MODEM for a premium softcard//e CPM. I've checked a few BB's and not seen any. PLease copy me on replies: sdcsla!hestenes@nprdc.ARPA Eric 19-Mar-85 07:45:40-MST,1574;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 19 Mar 85 07:45:31-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id aa00218; 19 Mar 85 7:03 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a028085; 19 Mar 85 6:42 EST From: Jerry Hollombe Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: re: Wordstar postprocessors Message-ID: <276@ttidcc.UUCP> Date: 19 Mar 85 02:58:49 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.cpm:4124 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA >From: ir320@sdcc6.UUCP (ir320) >Subject: Wordstar postprocessors >Message-ID: <1963@sdcc6.UUCP> > > Second: Does anyone out there know of any way to tell >wordstar to take the next CHARACTER verbatem (not line). As of my latest version of Wordstar (3.3 on an Osborne 1) there's no way to do this in the basic, vanilla version from Micropro. I think there was someone selling an add-on program that would give Wordstar this capability, along with several other useful goodies, but I can't remember who. If this is something you do a lot and consistently, you can program the user defined keys (^Q, ^W, ^E, ^R) to insert the codes you need. -- -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- The Polymath (aka: Jerry Hollombe) Citicorp TTI If thy CRT offend thee, pluck 3100 Ocean Park Blvd. it out and cast it from thee. Santa Monica, CA 90405 (213) 450-9111, ext. 2483 {philabs,randvax,trwrb,vortex}!ttidca!ttidcc!hollombe 19-Mar-85 10:22:27-MST,1047;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 19 Mar 85 10:22:21-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a006867; 19 Mar 85 11:45 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a002866; 19 Mar 85 11:42 EST From: DAVID DYER-BENNET MRO1-2/L14 DTN 231-4076 Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Thanks for intel-to-zilog mnemonic converter info Message-ID: <1152@decwrl.UUCP> Date: 18 Mar 85 21:49:45 GMT Sender: daemon%decwrl.uucp@BRL-TGR.ARPA Xref: seismo net.micro.cpm:4125 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Thanks to those who provided pointers to various sources of XLATE2 or XLATE5 in response to my request for information on a mnemonic converter. It appears to be fairly widely available; for those with access to SIMTEL20 it's in MICRO:XLATE5.LBR . I have successfully downloaded it and unpacked and unsqueezed and read the doc file; it looks like what I want. -- David Dyer-Bennet -- ...decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-mrvax!ddb 19-Mar-85 10:33:39-MST,1050;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 19 Mar 85 10:33:31-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a006990; 19 Mar 85 11:56 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a002993; 19 Mar 85 11:45 EST From: "Paul M. Hudy" Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: APPLE CPM & MULTIPLAN Message-ID: <868@ecsvax.UUCP> Date: 18 Mar 85 19:00:29 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.cpm:4126 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA I am interested in purchasing an CPM spreadsheet for my APPLE II+ work-a-like and was considering Multiplan. Is anyone running Multiplan on a PCPI Z-80 card (aka Starcard)? If so, with what 80 col. card? I am using a FRANKLIN with a PCPI card and a WESPAR WIZARD 80 column card, and wanted to know about compatibility problems using Multiplan on a non-Microsoft Z-80 card, as well as 80 column card problems. Thanks in advance, Paul Hudy 19-Mar-85 15:00:26-MST,795;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 19 Mar 85 15:00:20-MST Received: from su-sierra.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a003852; 13 Mar 85 0:08 EST Date: Tue 12 Mar 85 21:09:16-PST From: Tim Gonsalves Subject: Re: What is .lbr To: cpmlist@AMSAA.ARPA Reply-To: Gonsalves@SU-SIERRA.ARPA In-Reply-To: Message from "Dave Towson (info-cpm-request) " of Mon 18 Feb 85 12:28:36-PST Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 85 16:27:06 EST Resent-From: cpmlist@AMSAA.ARPA Resent-To: info-cpm@SU-SIERRA.ARPA [ut-ngp.arpa]info-hz100/lu.exe is a version of LU for MS-DOS. In the same directory is lu.doc. (ut-ngp is a Unix machine so lower-case is necessary for the filenames). Tim Gonsalves ------- 19-Mar-85 15:14:08-MST,982;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 19 Mar 85 15:14:00-MST Received: from nosc-gw by AMSAA.ARPA id a000664; 14 Mar 85 9:18 EST Received: from cod.ARPA by nosc.ARPA (4.17/4.7) id AA12906; Thu, 14 Mar 85 06:18:57 pst Received: by cod.ARPA (4.17/4.7) id AA28291; Thu, 14 Mar 85 06:17:38 pst Date: Thu, 14 Mar 85 06:17:38 pst From: Jonathan Melby Message-Id: <8503141417.AA28291@cod.ARPA> To: info-cpm-request@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Re: What's a good terminal??? In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed Mar 13 09:40:50 1985 Resent-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 85 16:35:05 EST Resent-From: cpmlist@AMSAA.ARPA Resent-To: info-cpm@nosc.ARPA ------- I would recommend considering the Wise 75 terminal, 38.4 kbaud, smooth scroll, lots of bells and whistles, VT-100 compatable and all for under $600 in single unit quanitys MELBY@NOSC ------- 20-Mar-85 12:47:50-MST,3935;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 20 Mar 85 12:47:29-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a000215; 20 Mar 85 14:02 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a011153; 19 Mar 85 20:42 EST From: john chapman Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: Dynamic Memory Message-ID: <1488@watcgl.UUCP> Date: 18 Mar 85 14:46:21 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.cpm:4128 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA > Why then is a 256K static ram board $1500 and 256K of dynamic ram chips > merely $100? Why can I get static ram which will run with a 12 Mhz 68000, > a 8 Mhz 80286 and a 8Mhz Z80 and not dynamic ram which will do the same? > Why does every one advertise static ram as "low power". Am I looking at > different technologies (NMOS vs CMOS)? What is the S-100 standard for > providing a signal to the ram board for dynamic ram refresh? If there is > why doesn't everyone adhere to it? I also believe that a dynamic ram > controller such as the Intel 8203 has an internal timer which will provide > fail safe refresh. Other than that to minimize wait states due to refresh > cycles, one could generate a refresh request whenever a bus cycle occurs > and memory is not accessed (for example during an I/O cycle) > > > Sam Chin > allegra!cmcl2!acf4!tsc2597 > tsc2597.acf4@nyu 1. current prices are more like $1000 for 256k static boards and $600 for 256k dynamic (not quite as big a price difference as you have indicated. 2. drams are generally denser (x4) than statics. 3. dynamic ram chips are themselves much cheaper than static, probably due in part to the fact that mainframe manufacturers use zillions of them and therefore spread (chip) costs over a larger base. 4. there is no s100 standard for a refresh signal, this is precisely the problem 5. why does static always work? because all it does is read/write cycles -> simpler board design, timing requirements etc. On the other hand dynamic has to make sure it gets (64/128/256) refresh cycles every 1 or 2 ms. The bus standard makes no allowance for this so the memory board has to squeeze them in whenever it thinks it is safe. The failsafe refresh you refer to is from the ram chips point of view - the 8203 will always keep it refreshed - not from the bus masters point of view ( to take things to an absurd point: you could have the ram controller devote 100% of cycles to refresh, which would be failsafe but is not something you are likely to be happy with). 6. Using i/o cycles to do hidden refresh will not help much (how much of the bus time is spent doing this). The big problem is that you have to come up with a scheme that guarantees adequate refreshing 100% of the time (99.99999% is not good enough). The bus standard is precisely that - it places certain requirements on the signals on the bus and not really on the cpu - e.g. all refreshing eventually depends on being able to stall the current bus master to do a refresh cycle; an 8086 wants the ready signal/status during T2, if you design a board to accomodate this will it also fulfill the requirements of a dma disk controller? or a Z80? or a 68000? or a Z8000? or a 32016? or a 6800? (Gods reputed action at the tower of babel was viewed as a curse for good reason :-). 7. If you could guarantee strict adherence to the timing in IEEE/696 of all the cpu boards and dma boards that you want to use then it should certainly be possible to contruct a dynamic board for the s100 that would work in all situations but it by no means a trivial task. John 20-Mar-85 13:06:55-MST,2159;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 20 Mar 85 13:06:44-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a000965; 20 Mar 85 14:23 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a017460; 20 Mar 85 7:44 EST From: George Smith Newsgroups: net.micro,net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: Homebrew Text Editor Question Message-ID: <723@voder.UUCP> Date: 17 Mar 85 19:15:51 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro:10275 net.micro.cpm:4129 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA > In article <896@ihuxk.UUCP> db21@ihuxk.UUCP (Dave Beyerl) writes: > >texts. Currently, I am working on Kernighan & Plauger's "Software > >Tools" and have found it interesting reading. In particular, I > >find the section on editing most interesting and am considering > >coding the editor, edit, that they present. > > There is someone who has converted this editor to C and made improvements > to it. He now sells the source code. The product is called "RED". > For more info contact: > > Edward K. Ream RED: $95 > -- > Hey bud... Let's party. Al Schwartz > Pacesetter Systems Inc., Sylmar, CA I am afraid I have to disagree with Mr Schwartz. I have studied and modified the code to RED (both versions that were published in Dr Dobb's). And I have converted Kernighan & Plauger's ratfor text editor, edit, to C (BDS C running on CPM-80 v2.2). The only similarity is that they both will edit text. RED is NOT a C version of edit. It is NOT a version of edit with screen handling added on top. They are very different in command structure, internal data structures, internal code structure, etc, as you would expect coming from two different people. There was an effort out of the University of Arizona to add screen handling to edit but it was primative compared to vi or emacs (I think it was only to show that it could be done with little effort). I hope that this does not step on any toes but only serves to help. -- George B. Smith National Semiconductor ...!{ihnp4!nsc | decvax!decwrl!nsc | ucbvax}!voder!gbs 20-Mar-85 13:36:39-MST,839;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 20 Mar 85 13:36:27-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a001023; 20 Mar 85 14:23 EST Date: 19 Mar 1985 19:04 MST (Tue) Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: QK20 (QuickKey ver. 2.0) again available from SIMTEL20 There have been several requests for QK20 (QuickKey ver. 2.0) recently, in spite of the fact that several bug reports on it have been received. It's now available from SIMTEL20 as: Filename Type Bytes CRC Directory MICRO: QK20.LBR.1 BINARY 12288 3FDBH Be sure to read the following BEFORE using: QK20MORE.BUG.1 ASCII 1714 71CAH --Keith 20-Mar-85 13:43:37-MST,612;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 20 Mar 85 13:43:32-MST Received: from xerox.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a001102; 20 Mar 85 14:25 EST Received: from Flora.ms by ArpaGateway.ms ; 20 MAR 85 10:02:46 PST Date: 20 Mar 85 10:02:44 PST (Wednesday) From: rpollard.ES@XEROX.ARPA Subject: Re: March 1985 PAMS phone number list available In-reply-to: To: Keith Petersen cc: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA, Info-Micro@BRL-VGR.ARPA Could you please add me to the list ??? I'd really appreciate it. 20-Mar-85 14:05:51-MST,1273;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 20 Mar 85 14:05:43-MST Received: from nosc-gw by AMSAA.ARPA id a002778; 20 Mar 85 14:58 EST Received: from marlin.ARPA by nosc.ARPA (4.17/4.7) id AA02855; Wed, 20 Mar 85 12:00:01 pst Received: by marlin.ARPA (4.17/4.7) id AA20450; Wed, 20 Mar 85 11:59:34 pst Date: Wed, 20 Mar 85 11:59:34 pst From: "Gerald S. Key" Message-Id: <8503201959.AA20450@marlin.ARPA> To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: File Xfer on DecMate A colleague wants to transfer a file from the CP/M side of a Dec- Mate II to a VAX running 4.2bsd Unix. The VAX has UMODEM, XMO- DEM, & KERMIT available. He says he's tried MODEM730 & MODEM740 he got from a BBS that are supposed to be configured for a Dec- Mate II but cannot get them to work. They work OK in terminal mode but will not transfer files correctly. Any suggestions? --Gerry MILNET/ARPANET >-------------------- key@nosc.arpa ihnp4 \ akgua \ UUCP decvax -------------!sdcsvax!noscvax!key dcdwest / ucbvax / 20-Mar-85 20:42:17-MST,1354;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 20 Mar 85 20:42:11-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a007267; 20 Mar 85 17:55 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a003209; 20 Mar 85 17:47 EST From: etm%wuibc.uucp@BRL-TGR.ARPA Newsgroups: net.micro.apple,net.micro.cpm Subject: need info on CP/M cards for Apple II+ Message-ID: <118@wuibc.UUCP> Date: 19 Mar 85 15:14:53 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.apple:1858 net.micro.cpm:4131 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA [] I'd looking to upgrade my Apple II+ with a CP/M card, and would like recommendations on the best card to buy. I've heard some cards use the Apple's memory, while others have their own RAM (and thus can chug along at clock rates > 1MHz); is the cost of the extra RAM worth the increased performance? Also, will the card work with the Apple //e as well? Finally, has anyone heard about a product for adding CP/M to the Apple //c? I've been hearing rumors that such a product is/will be available, but can find no specifics about it. Please reply via e-mail to me at: ...!ihnp4!wucs!wuibc!etm And thanks in advance! Ed Macke Computer Systems Lab Washington University St. Louis, Mo. -- Ed Macke Computer Systems Lab Washington University St. Louis, Mo. ...!ihnp4!wucs!wuibc!etm 20-Mar-85 23:57:47-MST,990;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 20 Mar 85 23:57:41-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a012155; 21 Mar 85 1:02 EST Date: 20 Mar 1985 22:59 MST (Wed) Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: DU-V89, FBAD59, FILT6, FORM6, NEAT6, SD98, TABS6 available Thanks to Steve Noland we now have the following new files available at SIMTEL20: Filename Type Bytes CRC Directory MICRO: DU-V89.LBR.1 BINARY 55808 75ADH FBAD59.LBR.1 BINARY 28672 C92EH Directory MICRO: FILT6.LBR.1 BINARY 5888 2CA6H TABS6.LBR.1 BINARY 4608 22DFH Directory MICRO: FORM6.LBR.1 BINARY 9344 54B8H NEAT6.LBR.1 BINARY 5888 0933H Directory MICRO: SD98.LBR.1 BINARY 80896 F6DBH --Keith 21-Mar-85 06:54:16-MST,976;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 21 Mar 85 06:54:11-MST Received: from mitre.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a004050; 21 Mar 85 8:23 EST Received: by mitre.ARPA (4.12/4.7) id AA10095; Thu, 21 Mar 85 08:24:36 est Message-Id: <8503211324.AA10095@mitre.ARPA> To: "Gerald S. Key" Cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA, edelheit@MITRE.ARPA Subject: Re: File Xfer on DecMate In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 20 Mar 85 11:59:34 pst. <8503201959.AA20450@marlin.ARPA> Date: 21 Mar 85 08:24:17 EST (Thu) From: edelheit@MITRE.ARPA Gerry - We have been using various file transfer protocols on various host machines and, so far, I am pretty impressed with Kermit. If you can get your hands on the CP/M version, I think that you might find it pretty good. If you can't find it locally, it can be FTP'ed from Columbia-20B. Let me know if you need any help. Jeff Edelheit (edelheit at mitre) 21-Mar-85 08:32:28-MST,980;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 21 Mar 85 08:32:23-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a015531; 21 Mar 85 10:02 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a007677; 21 Mar 85 9:51 EST From: Tim Kelley Newsgroups: net.micro.68k,net.micro.cpm Subject: WPs for Stride (cpm 68k) Message-ID: <884@ecsvax.UUCP> Date: 20 Mar 85 19:12:50 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.68k:722 net.micro.cpm:4137 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Are there any good word processors and/or spelling checkers running under CP/M 68k for the Stride micros? Please respond by mail as I am asking for a friend and do not subscribe to these groups. C.T. Kelley decvax!mcnc!ecsvax!ctk Dept. of Math. N.C. State U. Box 8205 Raleigh, N.C. 27695-8205, 919-737-3300 -- C.T. Kelley decvax!mcnc!ecsvax!ctk Dept. of Math. N.C. State U. Box 8205 Raleigh, N.C. 27695-8205, 919-737-3300 21-Mar-85 11:46:50-MST,1196;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 21 Mar 85 11:46:34-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a027395; 21 Mar 85 12:56 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a012557; 21 Mar 85 12:48 EST From: notes%isucs1.uucp@BRL-TGR.ARPA Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: CP/M & MS-DOS on S-100 Bus??? Message-ID: <311@isucs1.UUCP> Date: 18 Mar 85 07:00:42 GMT Sender: notes%isucs1.uucp@BRL-TGR.ARPA Nf-ID: #R:spp2:-46500:isucs1:10200003:000:550 Nf-From: isucs1!drew Mar 17 22:14:00 1985 Xref: seismo net.micro.cpm:4138 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Yes, this board does exist. Just last week, I received a letter from Custom Computer Technology about this board, the S100-PC. It is a board which plugs into the Compupro mainframe and is cabled to an external box containing an IBM PC motherboard. The interface supports I/O mapped devices only. For more information, write Custom Computer Technology at: Custom Computer Technology 1 CCT Plaza Box 4160 West Sedona, AZ 86340 --Jeff Henkels (Drew's roommate) 22-Mar-85 03:48:01-MST,3462;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 22 Mar 85 03:47:48-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a001183; 22 Mar 85 5:14 EST Date: 22 Mar 1985 03:15 MST (Fri) Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA, Info-Micro@brl-vgr.ARPA Subject: Byte magazine programs and files available Byte magazine has started providing monthly releases of program listings and other files. These are being released through various RCPMs around the country. They will be added to the archives at SIMTEL20 as they become available. Please note that some files are BINARY and others ASCII. The .LBR file for each month is also available for those wishing to get the whole package. Here's what we now have available (the CRC list and filetypes follow): January 1985 ------------ "Audio-Frequency Analyzer," by Vince Banes, p. 223. TUNE.BAS 1792 Listing 7, p. 244. SWEEP.BAS 2944 Listing 8, p. 246. "Mathematical Recreations: The Fundamental Counting Principle," by Michael W. Ecker, p. 425. FACTOR.BAS 512 Listing 1, p. 426. PRIME.BAS 4352 Listing 2, p. 427. NOSQUARE.BAS 384 Listing 3, p. 428. February 1985 ------------- "Ciarcia's Circuit Cellar: Build A Serial EPROM Programmer," p. 104. IBMPROGA.BAS 19313 Listing 1, p. 114. "C To Pascal," by Ted Carnevale, p. 138. C-TO-PAS.C 2944 Listing 1, p. 140. "A Low-Cost Data-Acquisition System," by Kiyohisa Okamura and Kamyab Aghai-Tabriz, p. 199. "Fourier Smoothing Without the Fast Fourier Transform," by Eric E. Aubanel and Keith Oldham, p.207. FOURIER.BAS 3584 Listing 1, p. 212. Microsoft BASIC. FTEXT.BAS 384 Hewlett-Packard BASIC. FOUREXT.BAS 384 HP BASIC. FT.BAS 2304 HP BASIC. "Paranoia: A Floating-Point Benchmark," by Richard Karpinski, p.223. PARANOIA.DOC 6528 Listings 1 and 2, pp. 230 through 235. "Viewing Molecules with the Macintosh," by Earl J. Kirkland, p. 251. MODEL3D.BAS 3328 Listing 1, p. 253. SIGEN.BAS 896 Listing 2, p. 256. "Interfacing for Data Acquisition," by Tom Clune, p. 269. HEATSUB.BAS 5248 Listing 1, p. 278. "Janus/Ada," by Mark J. Welch, p. 295. JANUS-L1.LST 896 Listing 1, p. 297. JANUS-L2.LST 1024 Listing 2, p. 297. JANUS-L3.LST 1152 Listing 3, p. 298. These are available from SIMTEL20 as: Filename Type Bytes CRC Directory MICRO: BYT85JAN.LBR.1 BINARY 10752 90FFH FACTOR.BAS.1 ASCII 500 4337H NOSQUARE.BAS.1 ASCII 322 DB53H PRIME.BAS.1 ASCII 4343 0CF0H PROGRAMS.JAN.1 ASCII 391 7CDAH SWEEP.BAS.1 BINARY 2944 CAAEH TUNE.BAS.1 BINARY 1792 796BH Directory MICRO: BYT85FEB.LBR.1 BINARY 37504 7B66H C-TO-PAS.C.1 ASCII 2834 FF4CH FOUREXT.BAS.1 ASCII 276 7085H FOURIER.BAS.1 ASCII 3530 3167H FT.BAS.1 ASCII 2182 C356H FTEXT.BAS.1 ASCII 262 7FB7H HEATSUB.BQS.1 BINARY 3072 CA91H IBMPROGA.BQS.1 BINARY 11392 9B16H JANUS-L1.LST.1 BINARY 896 F827H JANUS-L2.LST.1 BINARY 1024 1526H JANUS-L3.LST.1 BINARY 1152 1B20H MODEL3D.BAS.1 ASCII 3288 2B06H PARANOIA.DQC.1 BINARY 4352 4FFFH PROGRAMS.FEB.1 ASCII 1165 CCE0H SIGEN.BAS.1 ASCII 896 9056H --Keith 22-Mar-85 05:41:40-MST,1244;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 22 Mar 85 05:41:32-MST Received: from ut-ngp.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a001799; 22 Mar 85 7:11 EST From: mknox Posted-Date: Thu, 21 Mar 85 21:07:15 CST Message-Id: <8503220312.AA05448@ut-ngp.ARPA> Received: by ut-ngp.ARPA (4.22/4.22) id AA05448; Thu, 21 Mar 85 21:12:25 cst Date: Thu, 21 Mar 85 21:07:15 CST To: ctk%ecsvax.uucp@BRL-TGR.ARPA, info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Reply to: wps for stride (cpm 68k) I have not seen any good 'word processors' yet available for CP/M-68K. Several companies were working on such things, but nothing has yet come out. VEDIT is available for CP/M-68K. While a 'text' processor rather than a 'word' processor, it does have a lot of very nice features, including limited word processing capability. Another option which is available, but hardly optimal, is to run EM80 which lets you run CP/M-2.2 programs under CP/M-68K. Then you can run WordStar or similar. But the speed is not fantastic. ---- By the way, you might want to get on the mailing list for CP/M-68K (and related matters). Contact: INFO-68K-REQUEST@UCBVAX.ARPA Let me know if I can help. 22-Mar-85 16:59:43-MST,2828;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 22 Mar 85 16:59:25-MST Received: from xerox.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a000187; 22 Mar 85 18:13 EST Received: from CheninBlanc.ms by ArpaGateway.ms ; 22 MAR 85 14:12:37 PST Date: Fri, 22 Mar 85 09:39 PST From: CHERRY.ES@XEROX.ARPA Subject: Re: Dynamic Memory In-reply-to: <1488@watcgl.UUCP> To: john chapman cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Do you really want to know?.... well Ok ... 1. 256K DRAMs are usually configured as 256K X 1 bit. as such it will require 8 chips to make a byte and 16 to make a work (if 2 bytes per word). 1a. Don't for get the price of the circuit board, misc. logic, etc. 2. DRAMs require refresh cycles while statics do not. There are usually 3-4 transistors to a DRAM cell and 6-7 transistors for a SRAM cell. As a result, for a given amount of die area, you can only get about half as many static cells as you can dynamic cells. 3. SRAMs can be built in bipolar, ECL, TTL, CMOS, MOS, and just about anyother technology as they are basically a flip-flop. These technologies (bipolar: TTL, ECL, and to some extent CMOS) offer higher performance due to their lower capacitances. DRAMs on the other hand are a capacitor which much be charged (write) and recharged (refresh) or discharged (erase/clear) and the amount of charge must be sensed without discharging the cell (read). Since MOS devices are typically capacitive devices (insulated gate), this is the technology which is used most often for DRAMs. Due to the higher capacitances in MOS devices, they require longer times to access, read, and write. Times of both SRAM/DRAM are measured in access time in nano-seconds (ns) 4. Due to the nature of SRAMs, if they are built in CMOS, then, if there are no clock signals peing provided to the chip, the power consumption is almost 0. CMOS basically is composed of both P-Well and N-Well MOS devices and generally only one type is on at a time (per cell). With no clocks on the chip, the chip is not changing states and all that is required is sufficient power to maintain the state of the individual memory cells. It is the changing of states which uses power (current) as sufficient power must be provided to overcome intermal loading of the various networks within the chip. 5. The bus configuration (s-100, multibus, etc.) has nothing to do with how a chip is refreshed. Some chips offer "on-board" or "on-chip" refresh. Some RAMS are "dual-ported" (one port to the CPU, one port to the system bus). Some microprocessors (z80) provide the refresh pulse and address while others do not. I hope this helps answer your questions. Bob Cherry Cherry.es@Xerox.Arpa (213) 536-7654 23-Mar-85 10:57:27-MST,2010;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 23 Mar 85 10:57:19-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a000220; 23 Mar 85 12:25 EST Date: 23 Mar 1985 09:45 MST (Sat) Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Revised SIMTEL20 CPM quick reference list Quick reference list to SIMTEL20's MICRO: directories as of March 23, 1985 (where 'x' is one of the names below): 22RSX COMMODORE GENASM MSOFT SYSLIB3 6502 CPM3 GENCOM NEWS SYSUTL AMETHYST CPM86 GENDOC NSTAR T20-SQUSQ APPLE CPMLIB HAMMING OSBORN TERM ASMUTL CPR86 HAMRADIO PACKET TOPS-20 ATARI CUG HDUTL PASCAL TRS-80 AZTEC-C DBASEII HEATH PCDOS TURBODOS BASIC DEBUG HELP PILOT80 TURBOPAS BDOS DIRUTL HEX PLOT33 TXTUTL BDSC-1 DISASM IBM-PC PPSPEL V2CMAC BDSC-2 DISKPLOT INSIDCPM PUBKEY VAXVMS BDSC-3 DSKBUF KAYPRO PUBPATCH VOICE BDSC-4 DSKUTL LIST RBBS WSTAR BSTAM EDITC80 MACLIB RBBS4 XCCP BYE3 EDITOR MATH RCPM XLISP BYT85FEB EPSON MEMTEST SMALLC2 YAM BYT85JAN EZCPR MEX SORT Z3LIBS C80 FAST2 MICNET SPELL Z3NEW CATLOG FIDO MISC SQU-PORT ZCPR CB80 FILCPY MODEM SQUSQ ZCPR2 CBIOS FILUTL MODEM2 STARTER-KIT ZCPR3 CCP FORTH MODEM7 SUBMIT COBOL FORTH-83 MODEM903 SYSLIB 23-Mar-85 11:03:30-MST,1554;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 23 Mar 85 11:03:24-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a000230; 23 Mar 85 12:30 EST Date: 23 Mar 1985 10:31 MST (Sat) Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: cholula!persci!bill%tikal.uucp@uw-beaver.ARPA Cc: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Help needed to acquire public domain software Bill, there is no way for Usenet people to access SIMTEL20. I can send a few files to you via netmail but there is a limit to the size of file that some mailers will accept. Have you looked over the latest RCPM list to see if there might be other systems in your area? If you don't have RCPM-059.LST, I'll send you a copy. Re your friend who suddenly found himself unable to access the RCPM system at 300 baud: his unpleasant experience was caused by the fact that some RCPMs are so overloaded with users that the people who run the systems were FORCED to change to 1200 baud only, just so everyone could use the system. I don't call this a fraud, I see it as the only way they can make it possible for ALL users to access it. Naturally your friend should have been given a pro-rated refund if he was unwilling to purchase a 1200 baud modem. Did he put his request in writing and send it by mail? --Keith Usenet: ...!decvax!brl-bmd!w8sdz or ...!unc!brl-bmd!w8sdz or ...!seismo!brl-tgr!w8sdz 23-Mar-85 11:34:21-MST,1197;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 23 Mar 85 11:34:15-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a000291; 23 Mar 85 12:56 EST Date: 23 Mar 1985 10:57 MST (Sat) Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Bernie Cosell Cc: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA, Info-Micro@brl-vgr.ARPA Subject: Byte magazine programs and files available In-reply-to: Msg of 22 Mar 1985 20:23-MST from Bernie Cosell I tried to retrieve TUNE and SWEEP and got 'not a seven-bit file' and was thrown off. Do you have to do something ascii-ize the files? Yes, I can ascify them, but they were stored in binary because they contain some LF-CR end-of-lines (instead of the usual CR-LF) that Microsoft Basic uses for "continued lines". If I ascify them, this will be messed up. Suggest you use the "tenex" or "TYPE L 8" mode in FTP to grab the files in binary format and then download them from your host using the binary mode of Kermit or one of the MODEM or umodem programs. --Keith 23-Mar-85 12:15:37-MST,571;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 23 Mar 85 12:15:34-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a000630; 23 Mar 85 13:54 EST Date: 23 Mar 1985 11:55 MST (Sat) Message-ID: From: "Frank J. Wancho" To: INFO-CPM@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Missing SIG/M volumes available Courtesy of Mike Niswonger, we now have the three missing SIG/M volumes 157, 159, and 161 now available here. The CRC listing will be updated shortly. --Frank 23-Mar-85 14:29:33-MST,2694;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 23 Mar 85 14:29:23-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a001041; 23 Mar 85 15:58 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a016250; 23 Mar 85 15:47 EST From: John Blalock Newsgroups: net.micro,net.micro.cpm Subject: New 8-bit microprocessor Message-ID: <458@terak.UUCP> Date: 22 Mar 85 20:25:40 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro:10313 net.micro.cpm:4143 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA I just received the spec sheets and data book from Hitachi today on their new HD64180 8-bit "High Integration CMOS Microprocessor". Having seen nothing on the net about it, I thought I'd post a summary of its features and ask for any experiences that you may have with it. If enough interest, I'll post a summary as usual. The HD64180-6, now available for $22.06 (1-24) supports clock speeds of up to 6 MHz. The -8 will be available 4th quarter of 1985 and support up to 10 MHz. It comes in a 64-pin DIP with 68-pin JEDEC carrier available "later". Features: - Executes full Z80 instruction set with 10-20% performance improvement. - Ten new instructions: SLP Enter Sleep (low power standby) mode MLT 8-bit multiply with 16-bit result OUTO output register to immediate I/O address INO input from immediate I/O address to register OTIM \ OTIMR \ Block Move, Memory to I/O OTDM / OTDMR / TSTIO I/O AND immediate TST r accum AND register (non-destructive) TST m accum AND immediate " TST(HL) accum AND memory " - On-chip MMU supports 512K byte memory and 64K byte I/O address space. - Two-channel DMA controller with memory-memory, memory-I/O transfer capability. - Two-channel full duplex asynch serial communications interface with programmable baud rate generator and modem control signals. - Clocked serial I/O port, operates up to 300K bps. - Two-channel 16-bit programmable reload timer for timing and output waveforms. - Programmable interrupt controller, 8 internal and 4 external sources. - "E" signal to be compatible with 6800/6500 family I/O devices as well as 8080/Z80 devices. Now if AMPRO will just make a CPM+ "Little Board" with this chip, 256/512K RAM, floppy controller, and ST-506 controller all in one... John Blalock, W7AAY uucp: ...{amd,decvax,hao,ihnp4,seismo}!noao!terak!jb phone: (602) 998-4800 us mail: Terak Corp., 14151 N. 76th St., Scottsdale, AZ 85260 Obviously, any opinions expressed are my own but even I might not claim them. I have no connection with Hitachi other than I do belong to the group that is getting impatient waiting for the Zilog Z800... 23-Mar-85 20:00:16-MST,2583;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 23 Mar 85 20:00:06-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a002676; 23 Mar 85 21:34 EST Date: 23 Mar 1985 19:35 MST (Sat) Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA, Info-Micro@brl-vgr.ARPA Cc: Bernie Cosell Subject: Byte magazine programs and files available In-reply-to: Msg of 23 Mar 1985 14:22-MST from Bernie Cosell I have received some messages from people who cannot handle binary or squeezed files. In order to make the Byte magazine files available to everyone, I have unsqueezed some files and "ascify'ed" others. The originals remain for those who can use them. Beware: some Basic programs use LF-CR as the "continue on next line" end-of-line squence instead of the usual CR-LF. The ascify'ing process may alter these special end-of-lines, requiring some editing by the user. Here is a new list of filenames, file types (binary or ascii) and CRCs (for those who have CRCK to check them). I have marked the new unsqueezed and/or ascify'ed files. Filename Type Bytes CRC Directory MICRO: BYT85JAN.LBR.1 BINARY 10752 90FFH FACTOR.BAS.1 ASCII 500 4337H NOSQUARE.BAS.1 ASCII 322 DB53H PRIME.BAS.1 ASCII 4343 0CF0H PROGRAMS.JAN.1 ASCII 391 7CDAH SWEEP.BAS.1 BINARY 2944 CAAEH SWEEP.BAS-ASCII.1 ASCII 2790 F8F0H <--- TUNE.BAS.1 BINARY 1792 796BH TUNE.BAS-ASCII.1 ASCII 1562 4A03H <--- Filename Type Bytes CRC Directory MICRO: BYT85FEB.LBR.1 BINARY 37504 7B66H C-TO-PAS.C.1 ASCII 2834 FF4CH FOUREXT.BAS.1 ASCII 276 7085H FOURIER.BAS.1 ASCII 3530 3167H FT.BAS.1 ASCII 2182 C356H FTEXT.BAS.1 ASCII 262 7FB7H HEATSUB.BAS.1 ASCII 5151 1B24H <--- HEATSUB.BQS.1 BINARY 3072 CA91H IBMPROGA.BAS.1 ASCII 19312 5DDFH <--- IBMPROGA.BQS.1 BINARY 11392 9B16H JANUS-L1.LST.1 BINARY 896 F827H JANUS-L1.LST-ASCII.1 ASCII 730 989FH <--- JANUS-L2.LST.1 BINARY 1024 1526H JANUS-L2.LST-ASCII.1 ASCII 784 330BH <--- JANUS-L3.LST.1 BINARY 1152 1B20H JANUS-L3.LST-ASCII.1 ASCII 988 49A3H <--- MODEL3D.BAS.1 ASCII 3288 2B06H PARANOIA.DOC.1 ASCII 6279 F78BH <--- PARANOIA.DQC.1 BINARY 4352 4FFFH PROGRAMS.FEB.1 ASCII 1165 CCE0H SIGEN.BAS.1 ASCII 896 9056H --Keith 25-Mar-85 05:24:02-MST,930;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 25 Mar 85 05:23:56-MST Received: from ut-ngp.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a006092; 25 Mar 85 7:00 EST Date: Sun, 24 Mar 85 23:20:19 cst From: "riggs, austen" Posted-Date: Sun, 24 Mar 85 23:20:19 cst Message-Id: <8503250520.AA10402@ut-ngp.ARPA> Received: by ut-ngp.ARPA (4.22/4.22) id AA10402; Sun, 24 Mar 85 23:20:19 cst To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Micropolis Cc: garey@UT-NGP.ARPA Is Micropolis still in buisness? If so could someone send me their address and phone number. If they are no longer in business can someone help locate a manual for their disk drives and FD control B floppy disk controller for the S-100 bus? This syystem seems to be quad density single sided with hard sector format. I would appreciate any information about this. Thanks jim Garey garey@ut-ngp.arpa 25-Mar-85 16:32:28-MST,445;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 25 Mar 85 16:32:22-MST Received: from mit-mc.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a000471; 25 Mar 85 18:01 EST Date: 25 March 1985 18:03-EST From: Herb Lin Subject: disassemblers for 8086 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA cc: LIN@mit-mc.ARPA anyone know of a P.D. disassembler for 8086 *.cmd files for CPM/86 (or M/PM 86)? thanks. herb 25-Mar-85 22:21:10-MST,513;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 25 Mar 85 22:21:06-MST Received: from brl-aos.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a000773; 25 Mar 85 21:37 EST Received: from apg-3.arpa by BRL-AOS.ARPA id a029186; 25 Mar 85 21:35 EST Date: 25 Mar 1985 12:33:46 EST (Monday) From: John Shaver STEEP-TM-AC 879-7602 Subject: Screen Dump To: info-cpm@BRL.ARPA Cc: jshaver@APG-3.ARPA D|oes anyone have a screen dump program for generic CPM or Kaypro? 25-Mar-85 23:13:51-MST,991;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Mon 25 Mar 85 23:13:45-MST Received: from brl-aos.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a001534; 26 Mar 85 0:29 EST Received: from mit-mc.arpa by BRL-AOS.ARPA id a029773; 26 Mar 85 0:28 EST Received: from MIT-EECS by MIT-MC via Chaosnet; 26 MAR 85 00:27:12 EST Date: Tue 26 Mar 85 00:26:59-EST From: Andrew Moore Subject: Re: Screen Dump To: jshaver@APG-3.ARPA cc: info-cpm@MIT-MC.ARPA In-Reply-To: Message from "John Shaver STEEP-TM-AC 879-7602 " of Mon 25 Mar 85 12:33:46-EST Yes, there is a screen dump program for the Kaypro in the public domain. It's available on Simtel20: micro:dump24.* There is a .com and a .doc file, and maybe the source code but I'm not sure on that. There are also versions for different Kaypros, just see micro: for them all. -dru T.MOORE%MIT-EECS@MIT-MC.ARPA ------- 26-Mar-85 01:23:48-MST,1701;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 26 Mar 85 01:23:40-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a001728; 26 Mar 85 2:48 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a013811; 26 Mar 85 2:42 EST From: Chuck McManis Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: Re: S-100 disk system upgrades - info request Message-ID: <544@intelca.UUCP> Date: 25 Mar 85 19:41:16 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.cpm:4152 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA > > Well, I haven't messed with the System 3 that we had at my old > job, but it seems to me that we had nothing but troubles with both > the Persci 277 and 299 drives. They were constantly gouging diskettes. > In addition, both the 4FDC and 16FDC controllers we had were constantly > sent in for repair. I would stay away from any of these items. > > John Hight > SRI International (john@sri-tsc) I have used a system III with a 16FDC and a persci 299b rather extensively for nearly a year, and in the process developed a cp/m bios for it that put both the drive and the controller though heavy use and have never even had a Read or Write error trap. (Which means no error that wasn't recovered in the 5 retries that the BIOS allows for). As above it is only one persons experience but I have been quite pleased. --Chuck -- - - - D I S C L A I M E R - - - {ihnp4,fortune}!dual\ All opinions expressed herein are my {qantel,idi}-> !intelca!cem own and not those of my employer, my {ucbvax,hao}!hplabs/ friends, or my avocado plant. :-} 26-Mar-85 01:33:03-MST,2795;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 26 Mar 85 01:32:51-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a001758; 26 Mar 85 3:00 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a013872; 26 Mar 85 2:45 EST From: crean%ny1mm.dec@BRL-TGR.ARPA Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Need Coleco ADAM info. Message-ID: <1297@decwrl.UUCP> Date: 25 Mar 85 17:07:40 GMT Sender: daemon%decwrl.uucp@BRL-TGR.ARPA Xref: seismo net.micro.cpm:4153 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA There's not really a "right" newsgroup for this question, so I'm posting it to several. It's a personal computer question, and I'm hoping that some of the readers of this newsgroup might just be able to help. . . Recently, Coleco announced that they were dumping the ADAM personal computer. Since then, the system has become available at some large discount toy stores at extremely attractive prices. (i.e. < $300.00). As I am a collector of personal computers, this has picqued my interest. However, I know next to nothing about ADAM, and would like to have the input of some people who do know about it. Specifically, what sort of software is available? Is it any good? Is the "built-in" word processing software any good? The box says ADAM BASIC is "source code compatible" with AppleSoft BASIC -- can I take that literally? The box mentioned an optional disk drive as a future -- did that ever come to pass? What about the price? Can I reasonably expect it to come down any further, after the "liquidator" has recovered their investment? How readily available are they? Have you seen many of them lying about? (I'm concerned that the supply might dwindle before I've made my decision.) Also, I am a hardware hacker, and would be curious to learn what I can about the innards of this beast. In particular, how difficult might it be to get ADAM to talk to my other machines (e.g.: Atari, Commodore, DEC)? To re-iterate: I know NOTHING about ADAM, and so ANY information AT ALL would be greatly appreciated. (Even if it might seem like a trivial comment.) Also, pointers to good resources for further research would be appreciated. (i.e.: Is there a magazine that addresses the ADAM? Any reliable mail-order sources for software/hardware?) Since I don't monitor all of the newsgroups to which I'm posting this, Email to would be preferable. I'll gladly summarize what I learn and post it here. Many thanks, Kevin Crean DIGITAL Equipment Corp. U.S. Mail: 200 White Plains Road Tarrytown, NY 10591 Telephone: (914) 684-5721 UUCP: ...decvax!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-ny1mm!crean Internet: crean%ny1mm.DEC@decwrl.ARPA Disclaimer: This space intentionally left blank. 26-Mar-85 04:21:41-MST,1117;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 26 Mar 85 04:21:36-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a002172; 26 Mar 85 5:50 EST Date: Tue 26 Mar 85 03:52:00-MST From: Rick Conn Subject: New ZCPR3 Files To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA The following files have been added to and . The files in are subject to deletion after 2 weeks or so and are placed here for the convenience of ZCPR3 users (so they can easily see what has been updated recently). Z-MCCORD.ART - an excellent article introducing ZCPR3 and ZRDOS; appeared in Electronic Design magazine and provided with permission of David McCord, the author Z-NODE.CFG - how to bring up a Z-NODE; another excellent article by David McCord Z3NEWS.107 and Z3NEWS.108 - latest newsletters from Echelon; 108 discusses items such as the new VFILER (to be uploaded to SIMTEL20 when version 3.5 comes out), the ZCPR3 tool checkout policy from Z-NODE Central, additions to the list of Z-NODEs, price reductions, et al ------- 26-Mar-85 10:55:03-MST,1644;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 26 Mar 85 10:54:55-MST Received: from ucb-vax.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a000613; 26 Mar 85 12:10 EST Received: from ucbjade.CC.Berkeley.ARPA (ucbjade.ARPA) by UCB-VAX.ARPA (4.24/4.42) id AA07369; Tue, 26 Mar 85 08:54:47 pst Received: from ucbamber.CC.Berkeley.ARPA (ucbamber.ARPA) by ucbjade.CC.Berkeley.ARPA (4.19/4.34.1) id AA03692; Tue, 26 Mar 85 09:00:28 pst Received: by ucbamber.CC.Berkeley.ARPA (4.19/4.34.1) id AA00807; Tue, 26 Mar 85 09:00:05 pst Date: Tue, 26 Mar 85 09:00:05 pst From: swillett%ucbamber.CC@ucb-vax.ARPA Message-Id: <8503261700.AA00807@ucbamber.CC.Berkeley.ARPA> To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: ZEDA & ZEDOS info Is there anyone out there who has any experience with the ZEDA computer and its ZEDOS operating system? I have come across this combination which claims to be compatible with CP/M. It is produced in Provo, Utah. I am trying to down load information to it, but it only has a telecom program called SMODEM (about 2k in size, apparently unrelated to the Modem7 offspring of the same name) which gives me garbage when I try to logon my favorite UNIX system. I discussing this with ZEDA they tell me that the default port conditions are right, but they know nothing about the SMODEM program. In any case, I would like to try to get something like a generic Modem7 into this system and see what will run, but their disk format is not compatible with anything else and they can't read any other format. Any ideas, other than dynamite? This monster is about 5 or 6 years old. 26-Mar-85 11:18:17-MST,871;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 26 Mar 85 11:18:11-MST Received: from washington.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a003589; 24 Mar 85 0:57 EST Date: Sat 23 Mar 85 21:57:17-PST From: Ronald Blanford Subject: CPT word processor To: info-cpm-request@AMSAA.ARPA Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 85 12:39:43 EST Resent-From: cpmlist@AMSAA.ARPA Resent-To: info-cpm@WASHINGTON.ARPA My friend from Japan wants to do word processing here (on any machine) but get the files onto his CPT word processor when he gets back to Japan. Does anyone know what disk format it uses, whether it's some variant of CP/M, or whether some other machine generates its format? Any information would be appreciated. (By the way, he loves the machine and would recommend it to anyone.) -- Ron ------- 26-Mar-85 12:25:46-MST,1246;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 26 Mar 85 12:25:38-MST Received: from brl-aos.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a003724; 26 Mar 85 13:46 EST Received: from rand-unix.arpa by BRL-AOS.ARPA id a011112; 26 Mar 85 13:46 EST Received: by rand-unix.ARPA; Tue, 26 Mar 85 10:36:49 pst From: Bridger Mitchell Message-Id: <8503261836.AA06339@rand-unix.ARPA> Date: 26 Mar 85 10:36:41 PST (Tue) To: John Shaver STEEP-TM-AC 879-7602 Cc: info-cpm@BRL.ARPA, bridger@RAND-UNIX.ARPA Subject: Kaypro Screen Dump In-Reply-To: Your message of 25 Mar 1985 12:33:46 EST (Monday). John-- The Backgrounder from Plu*Perfect Systems has a resident background utility, called SNAPPY, that includes a screen dump for all Kaypro models. While running a program (or at CP/M command level) it supports: - screen to printer - screen to file - list-device to file - full-screen editable notepad to file Other utilites include background print spooling and command-line editing. The Backgrounder itself allows CP/M resident commands (DIR, ERA,...^C) to be run from within a program and provides multi-feature key definition support. --bridger 26-Mar-85 18:02:57-MST,477;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 26 Mar 85 18:02:53-MST Received: from usc-eclc.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a001965; 26 Mar 85 19:35 EST Date: Tue 26 Mar 85 16:36:05-PST From: HUERTAS Subject: CPM-to-MSDOS To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Does anyone know about a program for the IBMPC that can convert text files created under CPM to MS-DOS format? Thanks! -Andres (HUERTAS@USC-ECLC) ------- 26-Mar-85 21:36:46-MST,782;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 26 Mar 85 21:36:41-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a002491; 26 Mar 85 23:06 EST Date: 26 Mar 1985 21:07 MST (Tue) Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Dick Cc: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: BYE332 & BYE-OVR's In-reply-to: Msg of 26 Mar 1985 14:37-MST from Dick Keith, are the current overlays in the proper ones for BYE33x?? .Dick. No, they're left over from an older BYE3 release. So far I haven't found an RCPM with the new overlays so I could grab them for Simtel20. --Keith 26-Mar-85 22:34:48-MST,611;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Tue 26 Mar 85 22:34:43-MST Received: from mit-multics.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a002567; 27 Mar 85 0:00 EST Date: Tue, 26 Mar 85 23:46 EST From: AALevy@MIT-MULTICS.ARPA Subject: SOL computers To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <850327044652.434595@MIT-MULTICS.ARPA> Remember the SOL computers?? I just read a note on my local BBS of someone that has one and needs software and hardware (esp CPM) . Any ideas folks? I am sure the poor fellow would appreciate any help. I will relay any data. Allan 27-Mar-85 08:45:01-MST,938;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 27 Mar 85 08:44:55-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a002868; 27 Mar 85 3:54 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a002195; 27 Mar 85 3:42 EST From: Lester Buck Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Driver info for Konan SMC100 SMD disk interface Message-ID: <257@shell.UUCP> Date: 26 Mar 85 18:39:30 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.cpm:4160 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA I have purchased a Konan SMC100 SMD disk controller for S-100 and a Megavault 212Mbyte 8" drive (only $2120/quantity 5). Does anyone know of CP/M drivers or bios that talk to this controller? While I run CP/M-86, I would be grateful for *any* CP/M code that does anything to this board, as a basis for customizing. Thanks, A. Lester Buck @ Shell Development Co. {ihnp4, pur-ee, ut-sally}!shell!buck 27-Mar-85 14:51:46-MST,816;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 27 Mar 85 14:51:39-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a009710; 27 Mar 85 10:38 EST Received: from USADHQ2 by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Wed 27 Mar 85 08:39:36-MST Date: Wed, 27 Mar 85 9:07:56 EST From: "Richard G. Turner"@AMSAA.ARPA, PERI-ET@AMSAA.ARPA, USARI To: info-cpm@simtel20.ARPA Subject: Looking for Printer Information I have an opportunity to acquire a Silver Reed DXP 500 daisy wheel printer (I'm not sure about the DXP part). The guy who is willing to part with this printer doesn't have any of the documentation. Anyone out there have any knowledge of this thing? Documentation that they might share? Thanks in advance, rick 28-Mar-85 17:55:31-MST,1550;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 28 Mar 85 17:55:21-MST Received: from ucb-vax.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a000136; 27 Mar 85 14:24 EST Received: from ucbjade.CC.Berkeley.ARPA (ucbjade.ARPA) by UCB-VAX.ARPA (4.24/4.42) id AA03337; Wed, 27 Mar 85 09:27:50 pst Received: from ucbamber.CC.Berkeley.ARPA (ucbamber.ARPA) by ucbjade.CC.Berkeley.ARPA (4.19/4.34.1) id AA22855; Wed, 27 Mar 85 09:34:28 pst Received: by ucbamber.CC.Berkeley.ARPA (4.19/4.34.1) id AA10057; Wed, 27 Mar 85 09:34:14 pst Date: Wed, 27 Mar 85 09:34:14 pst From: swillett%ucbamber.CC@ucb-vax.ARPA Message-Id: <8503271734.AA10057@ucbamber.CC.Berkeley.ARPA> To: HUERTAS@USC-ECLC.ARPA, info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Re: CPM-to-MSDOS There is a commercial program called UNIFORM for the PC which allows you to read write and initialize disks on a PC to about 100 different CP/M formats. Basically it allows you to create, for example, a Kaypro disk drive on your PC and then access it just as if it were an IBM disk. There are other similar programs with which I am not so familiar - Media Master is the name of one, XenoDisk is another. For the Kaypro there is a public domain program called MFDISK (Multiple Format Disk) which allows a similar function from the other end, although it is not as powerful as UNIFORM when dealing with MSDOS formats. UNIFORM is available from: MicroSolutions Software Products Division 125 South Fourth St. Dekalb, Il. 60115 (815) 756-3421 Cost: $69.95 28-Mar-85 17:56:21-MST,1410;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 28 Mar 85 17:56:15-MST Received: from usc-eclb.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a000188; 27 Mar 85 14:46 EST Date: 27 Mar 1985 11:43-PST Sender: STANLEY@usc-eclb.ARPA Subject: Re: CPM-to-MSDOS From: STANLEY@usc-eclb.ARPA To: HUERTAS@usc-eclc.ARPA Cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <[USC-ECLB]27-Mar-85 11:43:44.STANLEY> In-Reply-To: The message of Tue 26 Mar 85 16:36:05-PST from HUERTAS Received: from AMSAA by USC-ECLB; Tue 26 Mar 85 17:06:40-PST from usc-eclc.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a001965; 26 Mar 85 19:35 EST Date: Tue 26 Mar 85 16:36:05-PST From: HUERTAS To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: CPM-to-MSDOS Return-Path: Does anyone know about a program for the IBMPC that can convert text files created under CPM to MS-DOS format? Thanks! -Andres (HUERTAS@USC-ECLC) ------- -------------------- "Media Master" by DG Systems, permits the PC to read/write to many CP/M formats. I use it routinely to permit editing the same WordStar file on my office PC or my home Zenith 89 or Osborne 1. You have to move the data onto a disk for the machine you are working with, but I find that no special hardship. ...Dick Stanley (stanley at eclb) 28-Mar-85 17:56:44-MST,746;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 28 Mar 85 17:56:39-MST Received: from usc-ecl.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a000284; 27 Mar 85 16:56 EST Date: Wed 27 Mar 85 12:31:23-PST From: Ted Shapin Subject: Re: CPM-to-MSDOS To: HUERTAS@USC-ECLC.ARPA cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA In-Reply-To: Message from "HUERTAS " of Tue 26 Mar 85 17:08:27-PST Postal-address: Beckman Instruments, Inc. Postal-address: 2500 Harbor X-11, Fullerton, CA 92634 Phone: (714)961-3393 MDG & Assoc. sell a program called Media Master that does that. About $40. The phone in their manual is (805)529-5073. If you hear of a public domain pgm, let me know. ------- 28-Mar-85 17:57:01-MST,1714;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 28 Mar 85 17:56:55-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a000314; 27 Mar 85 17:01 EST Received: from su-star.arpa by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a011990; 27 Mar 85 14:19 EST Date: 26 Mar 85 15:03:00 PST From: "R. MEIER" Subject: re: CP/M card for Apple ][+ To: info-cpm Reply-To: "R. MEIER" To:mailer!info-cpm@brl-tgr.arpa From:rmeier@star.arpa Ed, I have been using a Z80 card in my Apple ][+ for a year now without serious problems. Specifically, I use a Softcard from Microsoft. It came with CP/M 2.2 and runs a 2.1 MHz. It accomplishes this by using a nonsymmettric clock that is synchronized with the Apple's internal clock. The Apple's internal memory is used. I tried to rewire the card, so as to double its speed to 3.5 MHz, but this failed intermittently due to the fact that it exceeded the speed of the Apple's memory and I didn't think it worth the effort to add wait cycle logic. Their Softcard has worked reliably and timing experiments have shown that it works at a consistent 2 MHz, unlike some cards which use wait cycles to operate slower than the advertized clock speed. My only complaint against this card, is that the CP/M 2.2 that is supplied with it is rather inefficient in terms of memory and time. Memory cycle observations have shown that as many as 300 subroutine calls may be involved in a single bdos call. The operating system occupies 20K of memory. I have dreamed of writing my own unixlike operating system, but I don't expect that I will ever get the time. Bob ------ 28-Mar-85 17:57:19-MST,1482;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 28 Mar 85 17:57:13-MST Received: from hi-multics.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a000155; 28 Mar 85 9:30 EST Date: Wed, 27 Mar 85 16:53 CST From: "David S. Cargo" Subject: ? CP/M-80 on PC-clone To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <850327225301.819147@HI-MULTICS.ARPA> My CP/M-80 system is dying. The cost to repair is about the same as the cost to me to buy a new PC-clone. I want to preserve my investment in CP/M-80 software (compilers, tools, word processors, spreadsheets) which would have a high replacement cost. What is the best way to either add hardware, or add software to a PC-clone that would allow me to run my old software? I can see three basic choices. (1) Get a clone, or near clone, that supports CP/M-80 directly. The Heath Z100, and maybe the Seequa Chameleon might be in this class. (2) Get an add-on board for the PC-clone. The old Baby Blue CPU, and the QCS Big Blue card had that intention, but I don't know if either are still available, or supported. Maybe buying one used would be possible. (3) Get some emulation software. That sounds like it might be painfully slow. I am very short of arms and legs to spare keeping my systems up and running. Hybrid solutions, like an S100 system with hardware for both MS-DOS and CP/M might be an acceptable variation on (1). Any good used H/Z-100's out there? 28-Mar-85 17:58:03-MST,635;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 28 Mar 85 17:58:00-MST Received: from xerox.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a000228; 28 Mar 85 9:31 EST Received: from CheninBlanc.ms by ArpaGateway.ms ; 27 MAR 85 16:07:15 PST Date: Wed, 27 Mar 85 13:15 PST From: lshilkoff.es@XEROX.ARPA Subject: Re: CPM-to-MSDOS In-reply-to: "HUERTAS@USC-ECLC.ARPA's message of Tue, 26 Mar 85 16:36:05 PST" To: HUERTAS cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Andres, A company called MicroSolutions in De Kalb, Illinois has a program called UNIFORM that will do just that. Larry 28-Mar-85 17:58:15-MST,720;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 28 Mar 85 17:58:10-MST Received: from xerox.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a000238; 28 Mar 85 9:32 EST Received: from Muscat.ms by ArpaGateway.ms ; 28 MAR 85 04:55:33 PST Date: Thu, 28 Mar 85 07:55 EST From: Kushall.henr@XEROX.ARPA Subject: Re: CPM-to-MSDOS In-reply-to: "HUERTAS@USC-ECLC.ARPA's message of Tue, 26 Mar 85 16:36:05 PST" To: HUERTAS cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA My version of MS-DOS (2.05) has a program RDCPM that allows you to read and copy CPM formated disk files to an MS-DOS disk. My system is a DEC rainbow 100, but the program might exist for the IBM-PC also. ED KUSHALL 28-Mar-85 17:58:47-MST,2300;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 28 Mar 85 17:58:39-MST Received: from ucb-vax.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a000374; 28 Mar 85 9:49 EST Received: from ucbjade.CC.Berkeley.ARPA (ucbjade.ARPA) by UCB-VAX.ARPA (4.24/4.42) id AA19819; Wed, 27 Mar 85 22:33:51 pst Received: from ucbopal.CC.Berkeley.ARPA (ucbopal.ARPA) by ucbjade.CC.Berkeley.ARPA (4.19/4.34.1) id AA07075; Wed, 27 Mar 85 22:40:21 pst Received: by ucbopal.CC.Berkeley.ARPA (4.19/4.34.1) id AA02136; Wed, 27 Mar 85 22:39:36 pst Date: Wed, 27 Mar 85 22:39:36 pst From: "William C. Wells" Message-Id: <8503280639.AA02136@ucbopal.CC.Berkeley.ARPA> To: CONTEXT@WASHINGTON.ARPA Subject: Re: CPT word processor Cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Date: Sat 23 Mar 85 21:57:17-PST From: Ronald Blanford Subject: CPT word processor To: info-cpm-request@AMSAA.ARPA Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 85 12:39:43 EST Resent-From: cpmlist@AMSAA.ARPA Resent-To: info-cpm@WASHINGTON.ARPA My friend from Japan wants to do word processing here (on any machine) but get the files onto his CPT word processor when he gets back to Japan. Does anyone know what disk format it uses, whether it's some variant of CP/M, or whether some other machine generates its format? Any information would be appreciated. (By the way, he loves the machine and would recommend it to anyone.) -- Ron ------- The CPT is a stand alone word processor, the models with model numbers in the 8000's are based on a 8080 or Z80 (I have forgotten which). The word processor software is "turn-key" in design. Word processing disk format is not the same as the standard IBM format for 8" diskettes. However CPT does offer CP/M 2.2 as alternate software (though they do not call it that). Have your friend check with his nearest CPT saleman. He may need to buy CP/M 2.2 from CPT to take back with him. If I remember correctly, the software from CPT comes with a program to convert or copy between the CP/M formatted diskettes and the CPT formatted diskettes. If your friend has 6000 series CPT in Japan, he may need to find someone stateside with a 8000 series CPT to convert the diskettes for him. Bill 28-Mar-85 17:59:24-MST,1058;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 28 Mar 85 17:59:20-MST Received: from brl-aos.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a000452; 28 Mar 85 18:45 EST Received: from mit-mc.arpa by BRL-AOS.ARPA id a004433; 28 Mar 85 18:41 EST Date: 28 March 1985 18:40-EST From: "Devon S. McCullough" Subject: Micropolis/Vector Disk To: INFO-MICRO@MIT-MC.ARPA, INFO-CPM@MIT-MC.ARPA A friend is having problems with a Micropolis Disk System on a Vector Graphic (S-100) system. Does anyone have documentation for the Micropolis DOS (MDOS) and/or source listings for the disk driver and boot prom on the controller card (at F800-F8FF) and/or an MDOS disk with the DIAG disk diagnostic program? We only have CP/M disks for the thing, maybe an MDOS disk will boot where a CP/M disk won't. It seems to boot some sectors and then goes into a loop of endlessly recalibrating and reseeking before the boot is complete. Answers direct to me, please, as I am not on either of these mailing lists. 28-Mar-85 21:42:22-MST,1874;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 28 Mar 85 21:42:14-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a001635; 28 Mar 85 23:06 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a002182; 28 Mar 85 23:01 EST From: rchau Newsgroups: net.micro.apple,net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: need info on CP/M cards for Apple II+ Message-ID: <7384@watrose.UUCP> Date: 27 Mar 85 07:15:22 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.apple:1900 net.micro.cpm:4165 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA > [] > > I'd looking to upgrade my Apple II+ with a CP/M card, > and would like recommendations on the best card to buy. > I've heard some cards use the Apple's memory, while others > have their own RAM (and thus can chug along at clock rates > 1MHz); > is the cost of the extra RAM worth the increased performance? > Also, will the card work with the Apple //e as well? > > Finally, has anyone heard about a product for adding CP/M > to the Apple //c? I've been hearing rumors that such a product is/will be > available, but can find no specifics about it. > > Please reply via e-mail to me at: > ...!ihnp4!wucs!wuibc!etm > > And thanks in advance! > > Ed Macke > Computer Systems Lab > Washington University > St. Louis, Mo. > -- > Ed Macke > Computer Systems Lab > Washington University > St. Louis, Mo. > ...!ihnp4!wucs!wuibc!etm This followup should really be in the mail, but my site has recently been returning all my mail ...so... There is a book by Steven Frankel on the various cards availble for the Apple II and the CP/M system in general.(The compleat book on CP/M for Apple...this isn't the exact title as I lent out the book and am only sure about the weird spelling of 'compleat'). Another good summary was provided by in Byte, Dec. 1984. ray 28-Mar-85 21:59:06-MST,4635;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 28 Mar 85 21:58:39-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a001701; 28 Mar 85 23:18 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a002317; 28 Mar 85 23:04 EST From: DAVID DYER-BENNET MRO1-2/L14 DTN 231-4076 Newsgroups: net.micro,net.micro.cpm,net.micro.pc Subject: Have you used Concurrent DOS? Macrotech 80286/Z80H card? Message-ID: <1361@decwrl.UUCP> Date: 27 Mar 85 18:48:26 GMT Sender: johnsson%decwrl.uucp@BRL-TGR.ARPA Xref: seismo net.micro:10362 net.micro.cpm:4166 net.micro.pc:3827 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA I'm looking for advice from some people who have "been there" before. I am considering buying an S-100 system running Digital Research's Concurrent DOS operating system (Actually, I think it runs a Compupro variant of it that they call Concurrent DOS 8-16). The system I'm looking at would have the Macrotech 80286/Z80H processor card in it, 512KB of Macrotech dynamic RAM, 40 meg of hard disk connected through the Compupro Disk 3, floppies through Compupro Disk 1A, Compupro system support and I/O boards. My goals are to have a multi-user system which runs commonly-available and cheap software, and which supports hardware upgrade easily. Easy upgrade from a CP/M-80 environment is a plus. Applications include heavy word processing (manuscripts of novels), moderate software development, and some business accounting. I'm interested in developing software for the MS-DOS and the CP/M environment. I'm also interested in running some sort of bulletin-board software concurrently with all the rest (know any appropriate software?). The dealer is Competitive Edge, in Michigan (somewhere). They are asking just under $6000 for this system. This would be a mail-order purchase. I will of course obtain the software documentation and read it before deciding to buy the system. Since I've never used anything like this, though, (I use DEC-20's and VAXen at work, and CP/M-80 at home) I'm looking for reactions from people who have actually used this sort of system before. Please feel free to contribute general impressions as well as answers to the specific questions below. Hardware questions: Should I worry about the fact that the memory is dynamic? I've heard some horror stories about S-100 and dynamic ram. But in this case the processor and the memory are from the same manufacturer, and the dealer claims they sell this combination regularly and have no trouble. The dealer says that the processors run with no wait states. Does anybody have actual experience with the Macrotech 80286/Z80H board? This is by far the best price-performance combination I've seen. Am I missing something? Is this not as good as it looks, or is there something else even better? (This system is snugly against the top of what I can afford to spend; a more expensive one, even with MUCH better performance, isn't an option at this point. Waiting 9 months is an option, however.) Software questions: Does it run CP/M-80 applications? Can it run multiple users using CP/M-80 applications? How well does it run MS-DOS applications? Will most generic MS-DOS applications run under it? What about PC-DOS applications that aren't dependent on the graphics on the PC (or are there none?)? Does it support some sort of "loadable device driver" concept like MS-DOS does? Will it support MS-DOS applications that require them? What C compilers are suitable for this beast? Would I end up using an 8086 C compiler and not fully exploiting the 80286? What kind of utility package does it come with? Are they any good? I'm particularly interested in any assembler and linkers that may be provided. Is there a standard REL file format in the MS-DOS world (one Because I get these newsgroups through a gateway, I can't just start reading them; it takes a while to turn on a new group. Therefore, please mail responses to this straight to me. Probably nobody else cares about this anyway, no point in cluttering up the nets. Thank you very much for your help. -- David Dyer-Bennet UUCP: ...!{allegra|decvax|ihnp4|purdue|shasta|utcsrgv}! decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-mrvax!ddb Arpa: ddb%mrvax.dec@decwrl.arpa Easynet: Dyer-Bennet@KL2102, mrvax::ddb Compuserve: 74756,723 AT&T/NYNEX: (617) 467-4076 (work) (617) 562-2130 (home) "Any sufficiently rigged demo is indistinguishable from advanced technology" 28-Mar-85 22:22:37-MST,1151;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Thu 28 Mar 85 22:22:30-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a001709; 28 Mar 85 23:19 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a002684; 28 Mar 85 23:13 EST From: Don Wright Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: MS-DOS to CPM file conversion Message-ID: <919@ecsvax.UUCP> Date: 27 Mar 85 21:37:14 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.cpm:4167 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA For the guy who wanted to convert msdos to cpm files on the PC... I have used a program called Media Master on the Rainbow 100. It will format and copy files between 20+ different disk formats including PCDOS to CPM for the IBM pc. I noticed in a recent ad that they now have a version which will run on the IBM PC. The address and phone of the company follows: (as taken from an ad in the March DIGITAL REVIEW) MDG & Assoc. 4573 Heatherglen Ct. Moorpark, CA 93021) (805) 529-5073 The price quoted in the ad is around $100. Hope this helps out. -- Cheer up, it could be worse ... could be raining. 29-Mar-85 00:13:52-MST,749;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 29 Mar 85 00:13:49-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a002402; 29 Mar 85 1:40 EST Date: Wednesday, 27 March 1985 06:55-MST Message-ID: Sender: ihnp4!ihuxf!katrina@ucb-vax.ARPA From: ihnp4!ihuxf!katrina@ucb-vax.ARPA Subject: Need copy of BU.C ReSent-From: KPETERSEN@simtel20.ARPA ReSent-To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA, Info-Micro@brl-vgr.ARPA ReSent-Date: Thu 28 Mar 1985 23:36-MST I've been trying to find the source for the backup program that appeared in Dr Dobbs Jan 85 issue "bu.c", if you have that it would save me a LOT of typing! Katrina Woodward ihnp4!ihuxf!katrina 29-Mar-85 00:58:08-MST,2026;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 29 Mar 85 00:58:02-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id aa02580; 29 Mar 85 2:24 EST Date: Monday, 25 March 1985 17:16-MST Message-ID: Sender: fleigto%wr1for.DEC@decwrl.ARPA From: fleigto%wr1for.DEC@decwrl.ARPA Subject: QwikKey version 2.1 ReSent-From: KPETERSEN@simtel20.ARPA ReSent-To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA ReSent-Date: Fri 29 Mar 1985 00:25-MST I was dismayed to read the bug reports on QK20 on SIMTEL20 - I didn't realize anyone was having trouble with it. I think I have fixed its operation for at least most of the cases cited - it certainly works well with SD97 now anyway. QK21.LBR contains the files QK21.UQD, QK21.DQC, and QK21.COM. It is now available from SIMTEL20 as: Filename Type Bytes CRC Directory MICRO: QK21.LBR.1 COM 9344 E97AH Please let me know if you have any trouble this stuff. Tony Fleig, KF6XH ...decvax!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-wr1for!fleigto Here is what's new in QK21: o QwikKey Version 2.1 contains a complete re-write of the installation routines in an attempt to make QwikKey compatible with a greater number of other programs, notably the SD97 directory program. o The REMOVE command has been added, allowing users to remove QwikKey from memory without resorting to a cold boot. o Usage instructions are displayed if QwikKey is invoked with no arguments on the command line. o Messages are displayed indicating that key definitions have beed loaded or saved when those operations are invoked. o Undefined key escape sequences are now passed unaltered. In the previous version, everything but the escape character was stripped, leaving only the escape character, thus programs prepared to accept the raw key sequences failed with QwikKey installed. --end-- 29-Mar-85 07:57:07-MST,679;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 29 Mar 85 07:57:02-MST Received: from xerox.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a006341; 29 Mar 85 9:27 EST Received: from Muscat.ms by ArpaGateway.ms ; 29 MAR 85 05:22:07 PST Date: Fri, 29 Mar 85 08:15 EST From: Kushall.henr@XEROX.ARPA Subject: Re: MS-DOS to CPM file conversion In-reply-to: <919@ecsvax.UUCP> To: Don Wright cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA There is a Public Domain program that copies MS-DOS files to CP/M on the Rainbow called DOSFLEX. It is a small subset of Media Master functions. I got mine from the local DECUS chapter. Ed Kushall 29-Mar-85 09:12:06-MST,2014;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 29 Mar 85 09:11:57-MST Received: from su-score.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a007723; 29 Mar 85 10:37 EST Date: Fri 29 Mar 85 07:38:55-PST From: Sam Hahn Subject: Re: Have you used Concurrent DOS? Macrotech 80286/Z80H card? To: ddb%mrvax.dec@BRL-TGR.ARPA cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA In-Reply-To: Message from "DAVID DYER-BENNET MRO1-2/L14 DTN 231-4076 " of Wed 27 Mar 85 18:48:26-PST 1. Regarding the ConcurrentDOS-816 from Compupro. My system center source says that Compupro is going out of its way (don't flame at me!) to make its ConcurrentDOS INcompatible with the Macrotech board. This is not first-hand knowledge; this is hearsay from a Compupro system center. 2. Therefore, I recommend getting the Compupro 286/Z80 board set. It has recently been reduced in price to be roughly equivalent to the Macrotech board, and you get the advantage of the memory on the Z80 board. 3. About dynamic ram and other boards. See with your own eyes whether the combination works or not. Usually with Compupro boards, one finds Compupro static memory, which is worry-free. 4. This modified system would provide VERY good performance for the price. Especially if you're thinking about the hard disk, etc. 5. 816 systems can run multiple users using CP/M-80 applications. 6. For "PCDOS" applications, there's the newly available (some still say "vaporware") PC-graphics card which will allow one to run such PC programs as SuperCalc III (word from the same system center). Lotus will not work on this board. ConcurrentDOS from DRI is scheduled to be MSDOS 2.0 compatible in the next release, though presently it is not. 7. C. This I know less about, though I am not yet aware of any C which is tailored for the 286 and runs under MSDOS/CP/M-86. Please let ME know if you find one/any. Hope this helps -- Sam Hahn ------- 29-Mar-85 11:50:33-MST,868;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 29 Mar 85 11:50:26-MST Received: from usc-isid.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a004658; 29 Mar 85 13:16 EST Date: 29 Mar 1985 12:01-EST Sender: ABN.ISCAMS@USC-ISID.ARPA Subject: Re: Have you used Concurrent DOS? Macrotech 80286/Z80H card? From: ABN.ISCAMS@USC-ISID.ARPA To: Samuel@SU-SCORE.ARPA Cc: ddb%mrvax.dec@BRL-TGR.ARPA, info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <[USC-ISID.ARPA]29-Mar-85 12:01:52.ABN.ISCAMS> In-Reply-To: The message of Fri 29 Mar 85 07:38:55-PST from Sam Hahn Sam, Thanks for that information on Compupro (Viasyn), Concurrent DOS, etc. I think more of us are out here, hungering for that 80286/Z80H and the best of all worlds with OS's, then we expected! Regards, David Kirschbaum Toad Hall (ABN.ISCAMS@USC-ISID.ARPA) 29-Mar-85 12:34:13-MST,1803;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 29 Mar 85 12:34:07-MST Received: from mit-mc.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a013428; 29 Mar 85 13:57 EST Date: 29 March 1985 14:00-EST From: Herb Lin Subject: report on Macrotech 80286/Z80H card To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA To: ddb%mrvax.DEC at DECWRL Re: Have you used Concurrent DOS? Macrotech 80286/Z80H card? Would you recommend it to someone as the processor for a multi-user home computer system? yes, but with reservations. I had a huge hassle with it trashing a hard disk running with a Morrow controller (HDCA). It seems happy how when I use a Compupro Disk2 controller. Are you running it with Macrotech dynamic memory, or are you using static? I use Compupro static RAM. Since you didn't mention what O/S you use on it, these may not apply... I am on M/PM 8-16. How many users do you support? 3 users What kind of uses? word processing, some number crunching, spreadsheet, minimal programming. Have you found a C compiler that produces good code for it? haven't checked. (Is the 80286 strictly upwards compatible from the 8086 in user mode? Rumor says yes. I don't know. If you're running concurrent DOS or concurrent CP/M, would you say that 512K memory is enough to support 4 light users? Well, I think so. it does noticeably slow down though. Are there any things you wish you'd known about the CPU card in particular, and your system in general, before you bought it? yeah, though I think I would have done it anyway. I wish I had more thoroughly explored the possibility of a master 8086 and a slave z-80. hope this is is useful. herb 29-Mar-85 15:53:08-MST,8510;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 29 Mar 85 15:52:35-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a017352; 29 Mar 85 16:53 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a015632; 29 Mar 85 16:48 EST From: Ed Macke Newsgroups: net.micro.apple,net.micro.cpm Subject: CP/M cards for Apple II+ Message-ID: <119@wuibc.UUCP> Date: 27 Mar 85 23:15:49 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.apple:1909 net.micro.cpm:4169 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA [] A week or so ago I requested information about CP/M cards for the Apple II+, and whether it was worth paying for a card that has its own memory, and thus can run faster. My thanks to all who responded. Since there seemed to be some interest in this topic, I'm posting a trimmed-down version of the responses I received (see below). A quick summary: The December 84 issue of Byte contains an Apple supplement, in which some 6 or so CP/M cards are reviewed. A number of cards were mentioned by those responding: Microsoft Softcard, PCPI Appli-card, EZ2 (from Orbital in Phoenix). In general, people seemed satisfied with their cards; the exception was the ALS CP/M card. I also asked about a product for adding CP/M to the Apple //c; apparently it is sold by Applied Engineering (Dallas, TX, I think) for $159, includes CP/M 4.0 and a plug-in(?) Z80. I was referred to recent issues of InCider and A+ magazine for more details. Again, thanks to everyone who sent me information. Ed Macke Computer Systems Lab Washington University St. Louis, Mo. ...!ihnp4!wucs!wuibc!etm **************************************** From: Chris Maciag Organization: Schlumberger Palo Alto Research, CA I use the Microsoft Softcard and it works just fine, however, Microsoft just decided to leave the softcard business. I have several friends that use the Appli-card (starcard) and love it (it has a Z80B in it, so it is faster (3mhz?). I doubt that there will be a product allowing CP/M on the //c, because it has no DMA (Direct Memory Access), hence, the //c could only be used as a terminal to a CP/M computer. If in fact you find this rumor to be true, I would appreciate it if you could tell me, because I would love to run Wordstar on my //c. Back to CP/M cards, don't buy the ALS card. I also have two of those (the one with 64k and the one without. The card is poorly made, and CPM plus even worse. Microsoft CP/M certainly is the best CP/M OS I have used. The cheap ALS card ($100) will run Microsoft CP/M, which is nice. ALS's version of CP/M and CP/M plus works, but it is not very fun to change. For example, I bought a double density drive for my //e, and the owners manual gave the patches for Microsoft CP/M. To use the drive under ALS CP/M plus, I had to do some MAJOR hacking. Chris Maciag **************************************** From wucs!ihnp4!watmath!watrose!rchau Thu Mar 21 04:44:26 1985 There was an special issue of BYTE which compared processors and there is also a book called 'The compleat cpm apple' by someone name Frankel. ray...I hope it helps you out **************************************** From wucs!ihnp4!aicchi!joeloda Thu Mar 21 05:31:00 1985 Organization: Analysts International Corp., Chicago Branch The December issue of BYTE had a whole section devoted to Apple hardware. They covered many of the various CP/M cards. Joe Loda Analysts International (Chicago Branch) (312) 882-4673 ..!ihnp4!aicchi!joeloda **************************************** From wucs!ihnp4!decvax!genrad!mit-eddie!moore Thu Mar 21 15:28:55 1985 I don't see the need for CP/M cards with on-board memory, except maybe in- crease in speed, but my microsoft clone seems to be working fine. I was hes- itant about buying a clone at first -- I was offered one used a processor that was not the true Z80 (but instead, a direct clone) but after buying both that card and one with the true Z80, both seem to perform exactly the same. The layout of the chips is also the same, and the boards in general are exactly alike. Frankly, I don't think the on-board memory is really worth the $260+ that Microsoft asks for the Softcard -- as long as I have 64k with the rest of the Apple, why get -another- 64k? As far as I know, the Z80 can't address more than that. If anyone sees more advantages in cards with on-board RAM, let me know. -dru **************************************** From: "Stephen M.King" yup, on iic cpm. Applied Engineering in Texas. $159 includes cpm 4.0, plug in z80. check this month's incider or ii+ mags. Steve **************************************** From: Mark Becker Hello - If you're taking votes, I'd like to cast mine AGAINST the ALS CP/M 3.xx card. That thing has given me more grief than anything else in the last six months. Regards - Mark Becker Cent.Mbeck%Mit-Oz@Mit-Mc **************************************** From: John Shaver STEEP-TM-AC 879-7602 I am using the EZ2 Card from Orbital in Phoenix. Their card seems to be a copy of the Softcard. The standard software is not provided in this case. W* And DBII work as do all of the stuff, which I've downloaded from Simtel20. I have not found a program for the Apple (in any model) which will create a RAMDISK in Cpm. The RAMDISK is mandatory for successful (scratch that) satisfactory operation of programs with overlays. A friend has the Applicard. His only problems seems to be finding Modem and Kermit programs which work with the Applicard. It is faster and with the integral memory uses Apple only for communication with the outside, modem, printer, disk and console. Best regards Shaver Science Fiction and Resume Service **************************************** From: wucs!ihnp4!uwvax!wisc-ai!neves (David Neves) There is now a CPM for the //c. I saw an announcement in the latest A+ magazine. It is made by a well known company that make lots of plug in boards for the Apple (I forget their name now). It sells for ~$150. **************************************** From wucs!seismo!topaz!RU-BLUE!BRAIL Sat Mar 23 00:37:54 1985 The only way to have a Z80 card which runs at more than the Apple's clock speed is to put extra RAM on the card which is used only by the Z80. Several fast Z80 cards are made with their own clock and 64K of RAM on board. They usually use the 6502 for I/O and/or print spooling. One is the AppliCard, which runs at 6mhz (I think). As usual, I am affiliated with no one, no way, no how. ARPA: BRAIL@RU-BLUE.ARPA UUCP: ..(ihnp4!ut-sally, seismo, allegra!packard)!topaz!ru-blue!brail **************************************** From wucs!ihnp4!uw-beaver!tektronix!teklds!dadla!dcall Mon Mar 25 23:27:32 1985 I am currently using a PCPI Applicard running at 6MHz. This card is a true co-processor, with it's own high speed RAM. InfoWorld had a review of it and seemed really like it - it sure makes my Apple shine! I am running Wordstar and Turbo Pascal - no problems. This card works with II+ and IIe models, but I'm not sure about a standard II. It also comes with software to allow you to use the extra memory as a RAM disk. There is also a soft video interface that uses the HGR to produce 70 column text without an 80 col. card. There is a config menu to select various 80 col. cards. If you are running a IIe there is one caveat - some IIe's will NOT WORK with this card or the Digital Research Gold Card - some timing problem is involved. This didn't happen to my IIe however. For more information, there is a book out containing reviews of hardware and software by InfoWorld - "Infoworlds Guide to enhancing the Apple II/II+/IIc" I think is the title. This has some real good reviews on setup and performance. One other note - if you want to use Microsoft's MBASIC, you must download it from another machine - Microsoft's version in Apple format only runs on their slowpoke card! The Infoworld review claims PCPI will do this for you for a small fee (~$10). Good Luck! Dale Call tektronix!teklds!dadla!dcall **************************************** -- Ed Macke Computer Systems Lab Washington University St. Louis, Mo. ...!ihnp4!wucs!wuibc!etm 29-Mar-85 19:44:22-MST,1010;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Fri 29 Mar 85 19:44:15-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a017972; 29 Mar 85 21:02 EST Date: Friday, 29 March 1985 11:17-MST Message-ID: Sender: gwsd!revc%sdcc3@sdcsvax.ARPA From: gwsd!revc%sdcc3@sdcsvax.ARPA Subject: BYTE benchmark programs wanted ReSent-From: KPETERSEN@simtel20.ARPA ReSent-To: Info-Micro@brl-vgr.ARPA, Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA ReSent-Date: Fri 29 Mar 1985 19:04-MST I'm looking for the C sources to the benchmarks that Jim Gilbreth ran in BYTE about 2-3 years back. (I can't find my copy of the article...) What I have is some AT&T 3b2's with a uucp link (no news connection yet) to UCSD. I'm about to let AT&T upgrade the machines to release two, but I would like to run some tests on the machine first to see what, if any, improvements they make. Bob Van Cleef ...sdcsvax!sdcc3!gwsd!revc (619) 457-2701 30-Mar-85 02:24:20-MST,2222;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 30 Mar 85 02:24:14-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a018691; 30 Mar 85 3:54 EST Date: 30 Mar 1985 01:48 MST (Sat) Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Fix for user bug in CP/M-80 Turbo Pascal 2.0 Here is TURBUSER.BUG, relayed from my RCPM... --cut here-- TURBUSER.BUG This file contains instructions to correct an anomoly which exists in Turbo Pascal vers. 2.0 for CP/M-80. The problem is that if you run Turbo in any CP/M user area other than 0, Turbo will force you to user 0 when you exit Turbo using the (Q)uit command. Granted, this isn't the end of the world, but it becomes an annoyance after a while. I don't like programs that dork with my default drive/user. Install this fix, and your default user area will be left alone. //Rodger Ellis - 03/18/85// ---------------SUMMARY FOR THOSE WHO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING--------------- This is a simple DDT session which changes five locations in the file TURBO.COM. BEFORE CHANGE AFTER CHANGE ------------- ------------ . . . . 2051 MVI C,19 2051 LDA 0004 2053 CALL 0005 2054 NOP . 2055 NOP . . . --------------------------STEP-BY-STEP FOR NOVICES------------------------- 1. Ensure you have DDT.COM and TURBO.COM on the default drive 2. At the A> prompt, run DDT and load TURBO.COM by typing DDT TURBO.COM 3. Type A2051 4. Type LDA 0004 5. Type NOP 6. Type NOP 7. Type . 8. Type ^C 9. Back at the A> prompt, type SAVE 119 TURBO.COM ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 30-Mar-85 02:29:42-MST,1026;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 30 Mar 85 02:29:37-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a018693; 30 Mar 85 3:54 EST Date: 30 Mar 1985 01:51 MST (Sat) Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: RCPM-060.LQT phone list of all known RCPMs updated The latest list of all known RCPM (Remote CP/M) systems is now available from SIMTEL20. If you cannot FTP and you are not already on the list to automatically receive updates of RCPM-xx.LST, please send a note to me and I'll add you to the mailing list. Filename Type Bytes CRC Directory MICRO: RCPM-060.DQF.1 BINARY 4480 A8F5H <--DIF file if you have 059 RCPM-060.LQT.1 BINARY 41472 B4FCH <--the new list --Keith Usenet: ...!decvax!brl-bmd!w8sdz or ...!unc!brl-bmd!w8sdz or ...!seismo!brl-tgr!w8sdz 30-Mar-85 10:42:15-MST,1596;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 30 Mar 85 10:42:10-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a019162; 30 Mar 85 8:45 EST Date: 30 Mar 1985 06:47 MST (Sat) Message-ID: From: CSTROM@SIMTEL20.ARPA To: Sam Hahn Cc: Info-CPM@SIMTEL20.ARPA Subject: Have you used Concurrent DOS? Macrotech 80286/Z80H card? In-reply-to: Msg of 29 Mar 1985 08:38-MST from Sam Hahn Macrotech dynamic ram boards do indeed work properly with the MI-286 in otherwise CompuPro systems. Note that I am referring to the newer design, rather than the old Max Board. I would not be surprised if CompuPro screwed up operation with the MI-286, but since the board is an exact replacement for the old dual CPU board, the only thing they could have done was to make it impossible to run Z80 code. My understanding is that as soon as the MI-286 appeared, the nice folks at CompuPro brain-damaged SWITCH.CMD so it would not run the Z80 instruction set. Have you actually seen the 286/SPU-Z combination in operation in a real system? Talk about vaproware! I had a SPU-Z on order for six months when I cancelled same due to non-existence. It still appears that CompuPro is the worst offender when it comes to vapor products. I have seen enough of such goings-on to be using non-CompuPro software (my operating system is Concurrent from Gifford) whenever possible. I have been running CCPM for months with a MI-286 with no trouble. -Charlie 30-Mar-85 11:22:09-MST,1705;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 30 Mar 85 11:22:03-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a000272; 30 Mar 85 12:43 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a024231; 30 Mar 85 9:53 EST From: eve%ssc-bee.uucp@BRL-TGR.ARPA Newsgroups: net.micro.apple,net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: need info on CP/M cards for Apple II+ Message-ID: <313@ssc-bee.UUCP> Date: 28 Mar 85 18:03:36 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.apple:1926 net.micro.cpm:4185 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA > > Finally, has anyone heard about a product for adding CP/M > > to the Apple //c? I've been hearing rumors that such a product is/will be > > available, but can find no specifics about it. The latest Nibble has an for a ][c CP/M card from Applied Engineering. The card fits inside the case (probably voiding the warranty if it isn't already dead). CP/M is supplied with the card. I believe the price is around $150. Applied Engineering has an excellent reputation. I have one of their add on memory cards for the ][e and it's great. One caution: Putting more chips in the case will only create more heat. I don't know what, if any, overheating problems the ][c has. Many mail order suppliers sell Applied Engineering cards. I recommend Programs Plus (again, see Nibble). Disclaimer: I have no financial or other connection with Applied Engineering or Programs Plus. If they would care to give me a commission for my recommendations, I would be happy to change this disclaimer. I have only a slight financial interest in Nibble. -- Mike Eve Boeing Aerospace, Seattle ...uw-beaver!ssc-vax!ssc-bee!eve 30-Mar-85 12:07:40-MST,2038;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 30 Mar 85 12:07:34-MST Received: from office-2.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a000399; 30 Mar 85 13:01 EST Date: 30-Mar-85 10:01 PST From: Alan Bomberger Subject: 5 inch formats To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: [] The multiple disk format problem is mostly one of information. Almost any disk formatter can be made to format for a wide variety of 5 inch formats provided you have the source. The AMPRO MULTIDSK is a fine example. I have expanded it to handle many more disks simply by changing the tables in it. However, finding out the formats of disks is a problem. I wonder if there is a document of the various 5 inch formats available through this list. If not I propose to solicit the information and prepare such a document. I unfortunately expect to lose access to ARPANET within a few weeks, but would be happy to do what I can. Include the following information, I will figure out the best way to present it when I see the information. Name of system and format Size of Physical sectors Number of physical sectors per track Number of the "first" sector (ie 0 or 1 or 16) If two sided or not If two sided the number of the first sector on the second side (some offset them so that the numbers appear continuous) If two sided, whether or not the tracks are treated as cylinders or not (ie up one side and down the other or alternating side to side) The number of reserved tracks The number of CP/M sectors per track (not totally redundant when combined with the above. The QX-10 has 2 reserved tracks but believes that there are 80 sectors per track (both sides) thus reserving much to much ) The allocation size The number of directory allocations If you know all this is is possible to format the disks and to modify the BIOS disk blocks to use the format. 30-Mar-85 14:57:46-MST,890;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sat 30 Mar 85 14:57:42-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a000177; 30 Mar 85 16:12 EST Date: 30 Mar 1985 14:14 MST (Sat) Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Alan Bomberger Cc: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: 5 inch formats In-reply-to: Msg of 30 Mar 1985 11:01-MST from Alan Bomberger Alan, Bernie Eiben has already compiled a list of 5-1/4" formats. It's available from SIMTEL20 as: Filename Type Bytes CRC Directory MICRO: FLOPPY.FMT.3 ASCII 9787 D3B8H Updates, corrections, additions to EIBEN@DEC-MARLBORO, please. Bernie is "keeper of the list". --Keith 31-Mar-85 09:17:14-MST,9129;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 31 Mar 85 09:16:50-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a005817; 31 Mar 85 10:38 EST Date: 31 Mar 1985 08:40 MST (Sun) Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: 2400 baud modem review The following review was not written by me. It was downloaded from a Remote CP/M system. Unfortunately there is no way to reach the author because it is unsigned. It is presented here for its possible informational value. Please address discussions/comments to the mailing list, not me. I don't own a 2400 baud modem. --Keith 10 Mar 85 *** DISCLAIMER *** The products described here were repeatedly tested for a specific application only. No value was placed on advanced features not directly related to their intended use. The opinion expressed herein is that of the reviewer and may, in fact WILL differ considerably from other reviewers' opinions. This is an unsolicited review. Anyone able to disprove the reviewes claims is welcome to do so. This review is about as unobjective as it can get. In a data processing environment, chances are the employee with a terminal and a modem (or computer) and access to the business computer via dialup will be more productive and is more likely to put in a few hours' worth of unsolicited overtime per week than the employee who has access to the same computer only during working hours. Therefore, it was decided that the office computer be set up with at least one high-speed dialup line and the most economical choice was that of a 1200/2400 baud modem. The modems were going to be used for two purposes: 1. unattended autoanswer 2. occasional use for dialout Testing was started as soon as modems became available through a local distributor. Due to this factor only two brands were evaluated. Here is the story on both of them: 1. PENRIL 2024 The Penril 2024 seems to be the first widely available 1200/2400 baud modem, with the exception of the prohibitively priced VADIC 4400 series. The 2024's list price is somewhere around $900. The 2024 offers two baud rates, 1200 and 2400. The 1200 baud protocol can be switched from 212A to V.22 at configuration time. By today's standards, the 2024 cannot be considered a "smart" modem in that its smartness is limited to the ability to dial a phone number. Placing the modem in autoanswer mode is accomplished by simply configuring the internal and external switches according to the manual, releasing all front panel switches and plugging it in. The 2024 does not have a power switch (a definite plus in this application). Originating a phone call with the 2024 is a cumbersome procedure, especially in an application where the modem may be 100 feet away from the terminal. First, the modem must be taken out of autoanswer mode by pressing a front panel switch. Next, the originate baud rate must be selected by locking the HI/LO switch IN or OUT. Note that if you set up the modem for 2400 baud, you can call a 1200 baud number because of the "fallback" feature. You just have to adjust your terminal baud rate after connect. The 2024 has no abort provisions. While dialing, the TALK/DATA switch can be used to abort. When connected, you must either cause the remote computer to drop carrier or you again have to hit the switch. An alternative is dropping the DTR line low, but in some instances that's a bit hard to do. Dialing a phone number is very awkward. The sequence is "CRNnnnnnnn" so to dial 555-1212, you type CRN5551212^M^J. Fine if the ENTER key on your keyboard generates a CR-LF sequence; with most terminals you have to hit two keys. Sorry, no redial capability. The Penril worked fine calling the local TYMNET 2400 baud access number, but no connection was established to any long distance modem at 2400 baud. The modem is superbly suited for unattended autoanswer mode. the 2024 can be turned on and left alone and if something goes wrong it's the software but not the modem. The continuous high-pitched noise coming out of the built-in speaker may be objectionable to some -- it picks up the strongest local AM radio station. the speaker can be turned low or off via an internal jumper block. One 2024 modem was tested initially in early November 1984, and two were again tested in late February 1985. No difference was found between the three modems, even though the early onemay have been a preproduction unit. 2. USR COURIER 2400 The USR Courier seems to be the first smart low-priced modem to be released, probably due to the fact that, unlike many manufacturers, it does not use the Rockwell chip set. It features Hayes 2400 compatibility. I will briefly summarize the positive aspects of the modem: - externally accessible, well-labeled configuration switches - external switch to reverse pins 2 & 3, thus eliminating the need for a null modem - result codes can be completely turned off via switch - volume control for internal speaker After setting the configuration switches (an easy task for anyone who has ever set up a modem) the Courier is ready for operation. With the appropriate switch setting, it can be used both in originate and answer mode without any hardware changes. Originating a call can be accomplished with the now-famous ATDT sequence, except that command letters no longer have to be in caps. As with other smart modems, any character typed while dialing or waiting for carrier aborts the action and hangs up the line. The "escape" character can be used to either return the modem to command mode (like the Hayes) or to hang up (like other USR modems) depending on a configuration switch setting. The Courier was used to successfully connect to the local TYMNET number. A later model also was able to talk to a VADIC 2400 baud unit over long distance (Wayne Masters' RCPM). The Courier was also able to call and be called by a Penril 2024 and another Courier. As to autoanswer mode, the modem was a complete washout to put it mildly. Surely, hard- and software are partly to blame but the fact that other modems (including USR Password and AD212A) work with the same setup indicates a serious flaw in the Courier. The hardware used, for whatever reason, drops DTR while changing baud rates. The duration is so short that all other modems tested on the hardware, EXCEPT the Courier, are totally unaffected. The Courier will, upon carrier lock and receipt of the first character typed, drop the carrier 3 out of 4 times at 1200 and 2400 baud. While no considerations were given to 300 baud performance, it was noted that those problems only exist at 1200 and 2400 baud. Placing a 5MFD capacitor from the DTR line to ground totally fixed this problem. In autoanswer mode, the modems were used as follows: - all result codes are inhibited - on carrier loss, computer reboots, cycles DTR, then waits for a character typed by constantly polling the data input port - on receipt of character, baud rate is tested and, if necessary, changed I must again stress that this method works with all modems tested. The USR Courier, however, would simply refuse to answer any more phone calls after answering a few. No set pattern was discovered. Sometimes, the modem would work properly for 5-10 calls then refuse to answer, at other times it would only allow 1 or 2 calls. When it refused to answer, no outside indication was given as to the problem. The appropriate LEDs on the front panel were lit yet the modem did not respond to the ring. Surely, this is a most serious deficiency and I have decided that the Courier is unfit for use in this particular application. I am convinced the problem lies solely with the Courier, particularyly sonce both the Auto Dial 212A and the Password 1200 work in the exact same environment (except for the much-needed 2400 capa- bility, of course). In closing I must again stress that the USR certainly is a superb modem and very well suited to originate applications. Considering that 99 out of 100 modems sold will never be used for pure autoanswer purposes, the Courier is not at all a failure. One modem was tested in late November, two in late February (both were preproduction units) and thre PRODUCTION units were tested in March. All five units exhibited the same problems. ...may those who have the power to change things do so, may those whose toes I stepped on test for themselves before stepping on mine, may those who want to buy a Courier not be discouraged. If YOU intend to use a USR Courier in an autoanswer-only environment, please by all means give it a try, it may sure work for you. If it doesn't, you have been warned, and if it does, either "they" fixed it or the problem is installation-dependent... 31-Mar-85 09:51:33-MST,4876;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 31 Mar 85 09:51:20-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a006026; 31 Mar 85 11:15 EST Date: 31 Mar 1985 09:17 MST (Sun) Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: New files on SIMTEL20 between 16-Mar and 31-Mar-85 The following is a list of new files added to SIMTEL20's directories between 2-Mar-85 and 16-Mar-85. For a complete list of all files, get MICRO:CPM.CRCLST. Filename Type Bytes CRC MICRO: ASMHELP.LBR.1 BINARY 16128 6265H beginners help for asm MICRO: FORM6.LBR.1 BINARY 9344 54B8H prettify asm files NEAT6.LBR.1 BINARY 5888 0933H ditto MICRO: PREBAS.LBR.1 BINARY 67456 5EE9H preformater for basic MICRO: ASMB3.SUB.1 ASCII 1580 3AACH easy assembly of BYE332 BYE332.LBR.1 BINARY 56576 B1B2H now supports 2400 baud MICRO: BYT85FEB.LBR.1 BINARY 37504 7B66H C-TO-PAS.C.1 ASCII 2834 FF4CH FOUREXT.BAS.1 ASCII 276 7085H FOURIER.BAS.1 ASCII 3530 3167H FT.BAS.1 ASCII 2182 C356H FTEXT.BAS.1 ASCII 262 7FB7H HEATSUB.BAS.1 ASCII 5151 1B24H HEATSUB.BQS.1 BINARY 3072 CA91H IBMPROGA.BAS.1 ASCII 19312 5DDFH IBMPROGA.BQS.1 BINARY 11392 9B16H JANUS-L1.LST.1 BINARY 896 F827H JANUS-L1.LST-ASCII.1 ASCII 730 989FH JANUS-L2.LST.1 BINARY 1024 1526H JANUS-L2.LST-ASCII.1 ASCII 784 330BH JANUS-L3.LST.1 BINARY 1152 1B20H JANUS-L3.LST-ASCII.1 ASCII 988 49A3H MODEL3D.BAS.1 ASCII 3288 2B06H PARANOIA.DOC.1 ASCII 6279 F78BH PARANOIA.DQC.1 BINARY 4352 4FFFH PROGRAMS.FEB.1 ASCII 1165 CCE0H SIGEN.BAS.1 ASCII 896 9056H MICRO: BYT85JAN.LBR.1 BINARY 10752 90FFH FACTOR.BAS.1 ASCII 500 4337H NOSQUARE.BAS.1 ASCII 322 DB53H PRIME.BAS.1 ASCII 4343 0CF0H PROGRAMS.JAN.1 ASCII 391 7CDAH SWEEP.BAS.1 BINARY 2944 CAAEH SWEEP.BAS-ASCII.1 ASCII 2790 F8F0H TUNE.BAS.1 BINARY 1792 796BH TUNE.BAS-ASCII.1 ASCII 1562 4A03H MICRO: D-42A.LBR.1 BINARY 24448 2250H SAP43.LBR.1 BINARY 15360 968DH SD98.LBR.1 BINARY 80896 F6DBH MICRO: DU-V89.LBR.1 BINARY 55808 75ADH update fixes bugs FBAD60.LBR.1 BINARY 30208 0393H now works on CP/M 3 MICRO: DOWJONES.MEX.1 ASCII 1315 450CH dial, login do session MICRO: OTHERSYS.MQR.2 BINARY 45568 F980H March PAMS list RCPM-060.DQF.1 BINARY 4480 A8F5H 059/060 DIF RCPM-060.LQT.1 BINARY 41472 B4FCH Remote CP/M list ROYALOAK.DQR.3 BINARY 61440 C89DH My RCPM directory MICRO: M7H8-7.AQM.1 BINARY 8448 4073H updated Heath overlay M7OX-2.AQM.1 BINARY 8832 9D3CH Osborn ovrly bugs fixed MICRO: EXEC1.ASM.1 ASCII 7356 99BBH demo of system calls MICRO: QK21.LBR.2 BINARY 9344 E97AH QuickKey 2.1 fixes bugs MICRO: TURBUSER.BUG.1 ASCII 1710 0693H User number fix MICRO: FILT6.LBR.1 BINARY 5888 2CA6H Filters ascii files TABS6.LBR.1 BINARY 4608 22DFH Tabifies ascii files The following were all announced to the mailing list by Rick Conn. MICRO: Z-MCCORD.ART.1 ASCII 24708 EEE0H Z-NODE.CFG.1 ASCII 40993 0369H Z3NEWS.107.1 ASCII 11188 8D3CH Z3NEWS.108.1 ASCII 29238 5764H MICRO: Z-MCCORD.ART.1 ASCII 24708 EEE0H Z-NODE.CFG.1 ASCII 40993 0369H Z3NEWS.107.1 ASCII 11188 8D3CH Z3NEWS.108.1 ASCII 29238 5764H --end-- 31-Mar-85 12:15:42-MST,889;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 31 Mar 85 12:15:38-MST Received: from brl-tgr.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a006785; 31 Mar 85 13:45 EST Received: from usenet by BRL-TGR.ARPA id a006274; 31 Mar 85 13:42 EST From: jchapman%watcgl.uucp@BRL-TGR.ARPA Newsgroups: net.micro.cpm Subject: Re: CPM-to-MSDOS Message-ID: <1592@watcgl.UUCP> Date: 29 Mar 85 13:33:34 GMT Xref: seismo net.micro.cpm:4190 To: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA > Does anyone know about a program for the IBMPC that can convert text > files created under CPM to MS-DOS format? > Thanks! -Andres (HUERTAS@USC-ECLC) Seattle Computer Products had a program like this which they packaged with their msdos systems. I don't know if they sell it separately. They are at: 1114 Industry Dr. Bellvue, Wa. as I recall. Hope this helps, John > ------- 31-Mar-85 12:16:45-MST,820;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 31 Mar 85 12:16:41-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a006796; 31 Mar 85 13:47 EST Date: 31 Mar 1985 11:49 MST (Sun) Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: New files added to SIMTEL20 correction The dates were wrong in my message about new files added to SIMTEL20. This is a corrected heading. The list IS correct. --Keith The following is a list of new files added to SIMTEL20's directories between 16-Mar-85 and 31-Mar-85. For a complete list of all files, get MICRO:CPM.CRCLST. Filename Type Bytes CRC ...etc. 31-Mar-85 17:39:06-MST,952;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 31 Mar 85 17:39:02-MST Received: from usc-isid.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a008548; 31 Mar 85 19:16 EST Date: 31 Mar 1985 19:17-EST Sender: ABN.ISCAMS@USC-ISID.ARPA Subject: Re: 5 inch formats From: ABN.ISCAMS@USC-ISID.ARPA To: ACB.TYM@OFFICE-2.ARPA Cc: info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Message-ID: <[USC-ISID.ARPA]31-Mar-85 19:17:52.ABN.ISCAMS> In-Reply-To: Netlandians, A nice fellow did quite a bit of this a while ago - and his work proudly resides at LCG.KERMIT at DEC-MARLBORO. I just downloaded this file (DISK.FMT or something like that) the other day, and it has much of the referenced disk format information. If you'd like (and if someone can recommend a good common storage place) (SIMTEL, you there?), I can move it back up into this net. Regards, David Kirschbaum Toad Hall (ABN.ISCAMS@USC-ISID.ARPA) 31-Mar-85 18:13:47-MST,707;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 31 Mar 85 18:13:44-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a008692; 31 Mar 85 19:49 EST Date: 31 Mar 1985 17:49 MST (Sun) Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Need BYE33x overlay .LBR I haven't been able to locate the new .LBR that has all the BYE3*.INS (or IQS) overlays needed for BYE332. If anyone has the latest .LBR containing all the new overlays I would appreciate getting it via FTP so I can add them to our collection here at SIMTEL20. --Keith 31-Mar-85 19:38:59-MST,811;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 31 Mar 85 19:38:53-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a009121; 31 Mar 85 21:14 EST Date: Sun 31 Mar 85 19:16:56-MST From: Jon Albers Subject: Info needed on activating CD on Osborne 01 To: info-micro@AMSAA.ARPA, info-cpm@AMSAA.ARPA A friend of mine is running an RCP/M for our local Osborne Usrs Group, and he is having problems with people hanging up on his system. He has been told that there is a hardware modification that can be done through a hardware modification. FOG knows about it, but has not been co-operative. Does anyone out there know how to make carrier detect work on the Ozzie's serial port? Jon JALBERS@SIMTEL20 ------- 31-Mar-85 22:37:59-MST,5033;000000000000 Return-Path: Received: from AMSAA by SIMTEL20.ARPA with TCP; Sun 31 Mar 85 22:37:49-MST Received: from simtel20.arpa by AMSAA.ARPA id a009962; 1 Apr 85 0:02 EST Date: 31 Mar 1985 22:04 MST (Sun) Message-ID: Sender: KPETERSEN@SIMTEL20.ARPA From: Keith Petersen To: Info-Cpm@AMSAA.ARPA Subject: Defining what's in directories at SIMTEL20 Here is a list of SIMTEL20 directory names and a brief description of what's in each. This list isn't complete, but it's a good start. Hope it helps in finding what you're looking for. --Keith Directory What it contains 22RSX Resident system extensions for CP/M 2.2 6502 6502 emulator and disassembler AMETHYST Tools for use with Mince editor & scribble APPLE Programs specific for Apple CP/M ASMUTL Assembler utilities ATARI MODEM program for Atari Basic BASIC Microsoft Basic programs BDSC-1 BDS-C User's Group library BDSC-2 " BDSC-3 " BDSC-4 " BYE3 BYE Remote console CP/M program CATLOG Disk cataloging programs CCP CCP enhancements/extensions, utilities COBOL Public-Domain Cobol compiler COMMODORE Programs specific for Commodore-64 CP/M CPM3 Also known as CP/M+ CPM86 CP/M-86 programs CPMLIB Library utilities, LU, archive, LSWEEP CPR86 CCP replacement for CP/M-86 CUG C-users group collection DIRUTL Directory listers, unerase DISASM 8080 and Z80 diassemblers DISKPLOT Fancy plotting program for printer DSKBUF Disk RAM buffering to speed up access DSKUTL FINDBD, DU, FASTCOPY, disk copy programs EDITC80 Ed Reams screen editor in C-80 EDITOR Ed Reams original screen editor in BDS-C EPSON Fancy-font demos, Epson font setup EZCPR Easy installation ZCPR FAST2 FAST (RAM buffer) for CP/M 2.2 FILCPY Disk file copy, NSWEEP, WASH, SWEEP, COPYFILE FILUTL FIND, CRCK, UNLOAD, COMPARE FORTH Old FIG FORTH FORTH-83 1983 implementation including metacompiler GENASM Misc. ASM files that don't fit catagories elsewhere GENCOM Misc. COM " GENDOC Misc. DOC " HAMRADIO Amateur Radio programs HDUTL Hard disk utilities HEATH Programs specific to Heath/Zenith HELP Richard Conn's HELP program and .HLP files HEX Temporary HEX files IBM-PC Programs specific to IBM-PC running CP/M-86 INSIDCPM Files from the book "Inside CP/M", nice tutoral KAYPRO Programs specific to Kaypro 2-4-10 LIST LIST, MLIST, print spoolers MACLIB Macro libraries for use with CP/M MAC assembler and M80 MATH Do math on your computer MEMTEST Various memory test programs MEX Ron Fowler's modem executive MICNET CompuServe CP-MIG files MISC RCPM-nnn list, SMALLC.V2C, OTHERSYS.xxx (PAMS list) MODEM MTN, Modem hardware mods, strapping info, reviews MODEM2 MBOOT3, Modem protocol, old MODM221A MODEM7 Current modem versions for many systems MODEM903 Old fork of MODEM7 MSOFT Microsoft news, tips NEWS Old Kelly Smith newsletters 1981, SIG/M news NSTAR North Star utilities OSBORN Programs specific to the Osborne PACKET Terminal node controlled for packet radio PASCAL Programs written in Pascal PILOT80 PILOT80 written for Microsoft Basic PLOT33 Plotting program for printer PPSPEL "Poor People's Spelling Checker" PUBKEY "Public-Key" file encryption RBBS Remote Bulletin Board System for your RCPM RBBS4 Fancy, written in BDS-C, file locking for mult-user RCPM XMODEM and its overlays, RCPM utilities SORT BSORT, SORTV, SSORT SPELL Fancy spelling checker, with large dictionary SQUSQ Squeeze, unsqueeze, typesq STARTER-KIT Empty, to be used later SUBMIT Fancy replacements for SUBMIT - EX14, RELS, SUPERSUB, etc. SYSLIB SYSLIB version 2.7 SYSLIB3 SYSLIB version 3.x TERM QuickKey, PLINK, H19 ROM program TOPS-20 DEC-20 utilities, CRCK, LU, MODEM, DE-LBR, in Midas and MAC. TRS-80 Programs specific for CP/M on TRS-80 TURBODOS TURBODOS utilities TXTUTL Filters, ROFF, tabbing, Wordstar conversions, DIF VAXVMS Modem for VAX/VMS VOICE Programs for Votrax voice synthesizer WSTAR WordStar utilities, patches, filters XCCP Extended CCP YAM Yet another modem in C ZCPR ZCPR version 1.x ZCPR2 ZCPR version 2.x ZCPR3 ZCPR version 3.x