1-Jan-89 12:29:21-MST,4145;000000000000 Mail-From: WANCHO created at 1-Jan-89 12:23:52 Return-Path: Date: Sun, 1 Jan 89 12:23:52 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V88 #1 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Sun, 1 Jan 89 Volume 89 : Issue 1 Today's Topics: MEX 1.14 fixes uploaded to SIMTEL20 SIMTEL20.ARPA ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 1 Jan 1989 00:58 MST From: Keith Petersen Subject: MEX 1.14 fixes uploaded to SIMTEL20 Now available from SIMTEL20 via standard anonymous FTP: Filename Type Bytes CRC Directory PD2: MEX114FX.LBR BINARY 2816 FC00H Here is the author's short doc file: This library contains a patch that fixes several longstanding bugs in MEX V1.14. The patch does not add any new features; the idea was to fix a few things that never quite worked as documented, and to fix the CompuServe "A" protocol which stopped working when ComuServe made changes to its software. Since the program's author no longer seems to be interested in updating this free program, I decided to fix what I could by patching. Please note, however, that MEX is a copyrighted program and as such should not be distributed with this patch installed. WARNING In order to make room in the program for these fixes, it was necessary to use some Z80-specific instructions. Once this patch file has been installed, MEX will no longer run on an 8080 or 8085 processor. If your system does not have a Z80 or Z80 compatible CPU, DO NOT INSTALL THIS PATCH! Installing the patch will cause the following changes in MEX: 1. CompuServe "A" protocol now works correctly. Also fixed are the long delays that used to occur if a capture file was open when a CopuServe transfer was begun. 2. The "/N" symbol, which represents a carriage return/line feed pair, now works correctly in key strings and SENDOUT commands. 3. Key strings containing a slash character can now be saved and loaded correctly. 4. If GLOBAL T is in effect and an XMODEM download is aborted to terminal mode because of too many errors or timeouts, the system no longer crashes the next time terminal mode is exited. 5. The TERM command has been made more reliable. Under certain circumstances it could cause a sytem to lock up. 6. MEX now signs on as version 1.14C. Use MLOAD.COM, available from most RCP/M systems, to install the patches into MEX. Assuming that all necessary files are on the current directory, that you want to keep your original version, and that you will call the new version MEX114C.COM, the command would be: MLOAD MEX114C=MEX.COM,MEX114FX.HEX Questions or comments regarding this patch file should be addressed to Howard Goldstein at: CompuServe: [71435,1203] Newton Centre Z-Node: 617/965-7259 Ladera Z-Node: 213/670-9465 Home: 111 Park St. #10-P, New Haven, CT 06511. Voice Phone: 203/787-1918 (evenings and weekends) ------------------------------ Date: 31 Dec 88 03:27:43 GMT From: wilker@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu (Clarence W. Wilkerson Jr.) Subject: SIMTEL20.ARPA Simtel20 is a DEC20 running TOPS20 ???. The directory structure is a little strange, and binary files have to be transfrred in the tenex mode to get around the 36 bit word length on Simtel20. It can be a little slow ( my U of R. connections come out about 500 characters/sec, compared to UR<->Cornell ftp rates of 20-50 kbytes! However, it's a great resource. ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 2-Jan-89 01:37:05-MST,2926;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 2 Jan 89 01:30:21 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V88 #2 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 2 Jan 89 Volume 89 : Issue 2 Today's Topics: Accessing the modem on a C 128 in CP/M mode MEX Plus EXEC function ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 30 Dec 88 18:50:51 GMT From: ima!cfisun!lakart!dg@decvax.dec.com (David Goodenough) Subject: Accessing the modem on a C 128 in CP/M mode I have a C128, and a CP/M terminal program. I want to configure the terminal program to talk to the modem (1670) attached to my 128. Does anyone have ANY ideas at all as to how to do this. The following are necessary: MODEM input status : how can I tell if a character is ready to read MODEM input : how do I get a character from the modem once the routine above has told me it's ready MODEM output status : how do I tell if the modem is able to accept another character MODEM output : how do I give a character to the modem once I know it can take one. I'll take any suggestions at all - If you have MODEM740 or IMP (or MEX or anything) running I'll take that. I'm looking for any ideas at all. Other optional things that would be nice are: BREAK : how do I start and stop a break condition on the modem DTR : how do I enable and disable DTR (this is used to hang up the modem) BAUD : how do I change the baud rate (1200 / 300 selection will be enough or even just 1200 alone) MODE : how do I change the communications mode (# data bits, # stop bits parity etc.) Please E-mail me with responses, I'll forward anything I get to anyone that asks. Also please E-mail to the address below, rather than to where this article came from. Thanks in advance, -- dg@pallio.UUCP - David Goodenough +---+ | +-+-+ ....... !harvard!xait!lakart!pallio!dg +-+-+ | AKA: dg%pallio.uucp@cfisun.cfi.com +---+ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jan 89 10:29:57 est From: marwood@ncs.dnd.ca (Gordon Marwood) Subject: MEX Plus EXEC function I have come across a MEXPlus command which does not seem to be documented. This is the EXEC command. I wondered whether it was a synonym for READ, but this is not the case. Using EXEC by itself produces a response "File not found" and adding a file and adding a file name (I used a .MEX file) produces the response "File xxx.COD not found. Does anyone know what the EXEC function in MEXPlus is for ? Happy New Year! Gordon Marwood ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 3-Jan-89 01:38:43-MST,3191;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 3 Jan 89 01:30:44 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V88 #3 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 3 Jan 89 Volume 89 : Issue 3 Today's Topics: Turbo Pascal: wanted to buy XINU ported for CP/M-type systems ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 2 Jan 89 06:46:49 GMT From: msnyder@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Michael V. Snyder) Subject: Turbo Pascal: wanted to buy Does anyone have a CP/M version of Turbo Pascal that they no longer use? I am interested in buying outright, with manuals and licencing agreement, not pirating. (Borland is one of the Good Sam companies I refuse to rip off). No one, including Borland, seems to be selling it anymore, though, so if you're willing to part with it, you can sort of name your price. I will be very grateful. Sincerely, Michael Snyder 196 W. 11th Ave. #509 Columbus, OH 43210 (614) 293-0572 ______________________________________________________________________________ | | | | Handsome woman - lovely bust. | This posting is the sole opinion of | | Fine young fellow - stirred up lust, | Michael V. Snyder | | Babies' diapers, | msnyder@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu | | Bottom wipers, | | | Years of struggle - Coffin - Dust. | "everything you know is wrong" | |______________________________________|_____________________________________| ( poem appropriated from rec.humor ) ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jan 89 04:04:29 GMT From: cwjcc!hal!ncoast!mikes@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mike Squires) Subject: XINU ported for CP/M-type systems In article <8812271807.AA28580@decwrl.dec.com> secrist@msdsws.DEC.COM (Richard Secrist, DEC U.S.) writes: > > Was that true ? I mean a XINU to run, not that it was ported (sounds Ed Schramm (sir-alan!eds@vax.cs.pittsburgh.edu) ported XINU to CP/M some time ago. He tried to post it to Royal Oak, but that did not work for obvious reasons. I will make it available for downloading/anonymous uucp access on my system, plus what I have collected of the UZI files. Look in either the "cp-m" download area of the UNaXcess BBS or in /usr/spool/uucppublic/cp-m. Anonymous uucp login is "uucp", no password; use "bbs" for the BBS. (XINU availability depends upon Comer releasing it for public access; I have no idea what the current status of XINU is.) Mike Squires Allegheny College Meadville, PA 16335 814 332 3347 uucp: ..!cwjcc!ncoast!{mikes,peng!sir-alan!mikes} or ..!pitt!sir-alan!mikes BITNET: mikes%sir-alan@pitt.UUCP (VAX) MIKES AT SIR-ALAN!PITT.UUCP (IBM) Internet: sir-alan!mikes@vax.cs.pittsburgh.edu BBS: 814 337 3159 (TB+) 814 337 0348 (2400/1200) ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 4-Jan-89 01:36:11-MST,1475;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 4 Jan 89 01:30:58 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V88 #4 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Wed, 4 Jan 89 Volume 89 : Issue 4 Today's Topics: redirection of output Redirection of printer output ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 3 Jan 89 19:59:44 GMT From: uhccux!lee@humu.nosc.mil (Greg Lee) Subject: redirection of output From article <8901031516.AA28528@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, by CCCRAIG@UMCVMB.MISSOURI.EDU ("Craig Pepmiller"): " My father works on a Kaypro II and a Kaypro 10. He is trying to redirect " output form the serial port (printer) to a disk file. Is there a CPM " instruction to do this? Maybe a small utility? PIP ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Jan 89 13:35:57 CST From: "Craig Pepmiller" Subject: Redirection of printer output My father works with a Kaypro 10 and a Kaypro II. He is trying to capture output that would normally be sent to the printer (serial port) to a disk file. Can this be done in CPM? Can anyone tell me the command sequence or utility to do it? Thanks, Craig Pepmiller ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 5-Jan-89 01:42:41-MST,2826;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 5 Jan 89 01:30:08 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V88 #5 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 5 Jan 89 Volume 89 : Issue 5 Today's Topics: Help Resurrect Royal Oak RCP/M ! INFO-CPM Digest V88 #294 redirection of output ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 4 Jan 89 14:41:45 PST From: secrist%msdsws.DEC@decwrl.dec.com (Richard Secrist, DEC U.S.) Subject: Help Resurrect Royal Oak RCP/M ! The Royal Oak RCP/M has been an important resource for the CP/M community at large as well as those of us who can't FTP. Recently it's hard disk died and there were no funds for replacement. A post office box has been established where donations can be sent to help restore and maintain this vital CP/M resource: RCP/M Royal Oak Support Fund P.O. Box 36238 Detroit, MI 48236 Checks should be made payable "Keith Petersen". Keith is the Co-SysOp of RCP/M Royal Oak and will handle the funds since the system doesn't have it's own bank account. Keith's long-standing and superlative efforts in the CP/M community deserve our praise and thanks. In my opinion Royal Oak is the single most important and best RCP/M in the country and those of us who share this zeal for things CP/M should support his continued efforts at Royal Oak. Richard Secrist, DEC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jan 89 11:29:09 MST From: Raymond Carter STEWS-NR-AD 678-1536 Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V88 #294 I thought I saw in the latest catalog from Central Computer that they had Turbo-Modula2 for sale. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jan 89 14:19:13 GMT From: wilker@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu (Clarence W. Wilkerson Jr.) Subject: redirection of output I assume the question was to redirect output from an existing application program for which no source code was available, to a disk file. If you wanted to capture incomming stuff off the serial ports, KERMIT might be more convenient than PIP. CP/M does not treat IO devices the same as files like UNIX, so one can not easily ( with out hacking your bios, ) capture IO into files. I can imagine a small utility sitting under CCP capturing calls to RDR or whatever, and writting a log file. However, many CP/M programs using serial ports go directly to the hardware, so there is still a problem. Can you be more specific as to the capability needed? ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 6-Jan-89 01:38:18-MST,8668;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 6 Jan 89 01:30:11 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V88 #6 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 6 Jan 89 Volume 89 : Issue 6 Today's Topics: "The Computer Journal" Subscription Information PC Pursuit pricing amendment ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed 05 Jan 1989 12:09:22 EDT From: Subject: "The Computer Journal" Subscription Information There have been a number of requests for more information about subscriptions to The Computer Journal. I finally remembered to bring in one of their flyers. Here are the subscription rates (a one-year subscription is six issues): US Canada Foreign Surface Air 1 Year $16.00 $22.00 $24.00 ($38.00) 2 Year $28.00 $42.00 Back Issues $ 3.50 ea $ 3.50 ea $ 4.75 ea six or more $ 3.00 ea $ 3.00 ea $ 4.25 ea Prices probably could be quoted for the missing columns in the table if anyone needs the information. The foreign-air rate is not in the TCJ flyer but is my recollection of the figure Art Carlson told me ($14 extra for air mail). The two-year Canada figure does not seem quite right to me. If the surcharge is $6 on a one-year subscription, then a $12 surcharge on two years would give a figure of $40 (28+12). Similarly, the two-year foreign surface subscription would be $44 (28+2*8) and air subscription, $72 (28+2*22). Checks, VISA, and MasterCard are accepted. Subscriptions should be sent to: The Computer Journal 190 Sullivan Crossroad Columbia Falls, MT 59912 (that's Montana) (406) 257-9119 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Jan 89 21:51:52 EST From: telenet!nessus!dkpurks@uunet.UU.NET (System Administrator) Subject: PC Pursuit pricing amendment ADDITIONAL ANNOUNCEMENTS and ANSWERs to COMMON QUESTIONS REGARDING PC PURSUIT PRICE CHANGE ANNOUNCEMENT. To ALL PC Pursuit customers: There has been an overwhelming response to the recent price change announcement/letter (see related bulletin). So much so that my personally responding to EACH in a timely manner is an impossibility. However, we are reading all the mail. This bulletin contains some related new announcements, as well as answers to common concerns. First, the following announcements: 1. WE HAVE DECIDED TO WAIVE THE LIMITATION OF ONE ACCOUNT PER PERSON. There is now NO LIMIT to the number of PC Pursuit accounts that can be ordered/owned by a single person. Thus, if you have determined that a 60 hour usage cap (or 90, or any multiple of 30 hours) is more appropriate for your typical usage, you can order the appropriate number of accounts. 2. In order to provide you with plenty of time to determine what your requirements are, WE HAVE DECIDED NOT TO BILL YOU FOR ANY OVER CAP USAGE UNTIL MAY 1, 1989. The fixed monthly charge will still increase to $30 as of February 1, 1989. However, you will not be billed for any non-prime time usage over 30 hours until the month of May 1989. Please note that the actual statement for May usage won't appear until mid June. 3. When we begin billing for monthly usage over 30 hours (beginning with May's usage), WE WILL SUBTRACT THE AVERAGE TIME IT TAKES TO CONNECT (APPROXIMATELY 1 MINUTE) FROM EACH CALL BEFORE ADDING UP THE TIME. Therefore, you will not be charged for a call to a BUSY line (as long as you disconnect the call immediately upon seeing the "BUSY" message). The exact amount of time to be subtracted will be announced within the next few weeks. Addressing other common concerns: 1. Many people are suggesting that it is the 30 hour monthly usage cap, not the fixed monthly increase to $30, which concerns them the most. Because PC Pursuit must be transformed to a profitable service to continue offering it, the primary alternative left was to have a higher fixed monthly price with a higher CAP (or a much higher fixed price and no CAP). Raising the fixed monthly charge penalizes those who use the service less than 30 hours a month (which is statistically the vast majority). We do not believe that the smaller volume user should subsidize the more serious (higher volume) user. Thus, we have the 30 hour cap, which is appropriate for the new $30 fixed monthly charge. To accommodate higher volume users, we have waived the 1 account per user limitation (see above). 2. When over cap usage billing begins in May 1989, a detailed statement will be mailed to you no less than 10 days prior to your credit card (or checking) account being debited, if your account is to be charged for more than just the fixed monthly charge. 3. The announcement inadvertently states that all cities *now* support all three baud rates. The target was to provide all baud rates to all cities by the end of the year. Unfortunately, some cities have had deployment delays. Latest schedules target the end of January to complete deployment. 4. Some customers were sent terms and conditions that (through a typesetting error) do not include paragraph 7(d) -- which is clearly missing since these copies show 7(c) followed by 7(e). Unfortunately, 7(d) states our policy of 30 days notice for prices changes (or other changes). Some have concluded that since their copy of the Ts & Cs do not include this paragraph, that Telenet can not change the pricing for them. I truly apologize to those who have an erroneous copy. However, the law clearly (and appropriately) provides for any business to be able to change its pricing structure, and/or service offering in any way with reasonable notice. The Ts & Cs simply clarify our implementation of "reasonable notice". Lack of this paragraph does not remove the basic business right to change pricing (or other changes) with reasonable notice. Everyone here at Telenet wants to work with our customers. The announcements provided here are to accommodate the concerns of many of you, and are a direct result of input received from you. I urge each of you to take advantage of the next few months (before MAY) to determine what your typical monthly usage actually is. Our statistics clearly show that most of you should not be effected by the 30 hour usage cap. If you find that your usage is higher, you now have the option to order multiple accounts (blocks of 30 hours per month) before over cap billing begins in May. Sincerely, Peter Naleszkiewicz Outdial Services Product Manager -- Dave Purks PC Pursuit Technical Coordinator Telenet Communications Corp ..!uunet!telenet!dpurks ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 6-Jan-89 20:48:32-MST,12357;000000000000 Mail-From: KPETERSEN created at 6-Jan-89 20:40:47 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 6 Jan 89 20:40:46 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #7 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 6 Jan 89 Volume 89 : Issue 7 Today's Topics: Balcones <-> Xerox ? PCPI CP/M drivers Real estate software Turbo Modula 2 Where are you? Xerox 16/8 BIOS Zcpr & HLLs - Summary (long) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 6 Jan 89 04:54:24 GMT From: eve.usc.edu!mlinar@oberon.usc.edu (Mitch Mlinar) Subject: Balcones <-> Xerox ? In article <15644@joyce.istc.sri.com> ted@aaifs.UUCP (Ted Nolan) writes: > >Ok.. How do you use the slot to get extra bankable memory for CPM? > The extra slot can has all the Z-80 address lines as well as telling whether it is in the ROM/video bank or in RAM. There is also a nice 32k hole from 4000-BFFF in which to drop a RAM chip (or chips if you have bank selection located there). Of course, you have to have an operating system that can use it. -Mitch ------------------------------ Date: 5 Jan 89 21:23:51 GMT From: uop!mrapple@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Nick Sayer) Subject: PCPI CP/M drivers Hello again. I'm kludging my ProDOS hard disk driver to work with removable floppies and wonder if anyone can help me out in coming up with the proper data tables for it. My trouble is that I haven't worked with a removable device before, and don't know how big (in relation to the size of the directory) to make the "directory check vector." Any hints from netland? Thanks in advance. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Nick Sayer | Packet Radio: N6QQQ @ W6FGC-2 | Fido: 161/31 uucp: ...!sdcsvax!ucbvax!ucdavis!uop!mrapple Disclaimer: "The BBC would like to appologize for that last announcement." cat flames > /dev/null ------------------------------ Date: 5 Jan 89 23:10:06 GMT From: aramis.rutgers.edu!porthos.rutgers.edu!friedman@rutgers.edu (Gadi ) Subject: Real estate software Does anyone know of any real estate management softare? I need something that runs under Apple IIe DOS/PRODOS or CP/M (PCPI Starcard) Gadi -- uucp: {ames,att,harvard,ucbvax,iuvax}!rutgers!aramis.rutgers.edu!friedman arpa: FRIEDMAN@ARAMIS.RUTGERS.EDU ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Jan 89 11:06:11 MST From: Raymond Carter STEWS-NR-AD 678-1536 Subject: Turbo Modula 2 In reference to several questions about availability of Turbo Modula 2, I submit the following information. In the latest catalog from Central Computer Products (vol VI, no 2) on page 13 they list CP/M Turbo Modula 2 for sale for $69. Their order line is 1-800-456-4123. If anyone actually orders it, we might be interested in their response, support, etc. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jan 89 16:02:07 GMT From: ima!cfisun!lakart!dg@decvax.dec.com (David Goodenough) Subject: Where are you? About three weeks ago I announced that a terminal program was available. I have had two requests where my mailing address has not worked. These are the addresses I am using: xait!harvard!uwvax!astroatc!nicmad!rat xait!garp!ames!mimsy!uunet!mcvax!cernvax!ethz!lavi!wlye If you requested QTERM, and you think either of these is you, please get back to me so I can get a copy through to you. -- dg@lakart.UUCP - David Goodenough +---+ | +-+-+ ....... !harvard!xait!lakart!dg +-+-+ | AKA: dg%lakart.uucp@xait.xerox.com +---+ ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 89 04:51:50 GMT From: eve.usc.edu!mlinar@oberon.usc.edu (Mitch Mlinar) Subject: Xerox 16/8 BIOS In article <15642@joyce.istc.sri.com> ted@aaifs.UUCP (Ted Nolan) writes: > >Any information anyone has on the 8/16 would be welcome. I've got one, >but no sofware for the silly thing. I didn't follow the install >instructions for CPM, I looked at the hard disk BEFORE reiniting it, and >there was a lot of stuff there for factory use, including a demo that >played music, so I know there's sound somewhere, but I can't find it in >the Xerox manuals. I know there's direct screen access too, I can get it The Xerox manuals (generic ones) are awful. You need the full up software development guide(s). Rather than bore everyone with all the details of Xerox operation, I suggest you call my bulletin board: (213) 320-9309. I hardly get on there much myself (way too busy), but it is dedicated to 8-bit CP/M (QP/M) stuff and has a strong Xerox group. I remember several messages I glossed over in just the past month about 820-II (16/8) manuals; did not really read them, though... -Mitch P.S. If you don't have a means for getting on, leave me e-mail and I will scare up something. However, I am not quick with responses these days. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Jan 89 11:26:17 GMT From: imagen!atari!portal!cup.portal.com!dgee@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (David O Goodman) Subject: Zcpr & HLLs - Summary (long) Recently, in article <12879@cup.portal.com>, I inquired: > Does anyone have suggestions for a graceful way in which to pass the > address of a ZCPR 3.x environment descriptor to a program written in a > high level language, so that the program can make use of the various ZCPR > facilities? Specifically, rather than hard-wiring the environment > descriptor address into the program, thus making it non-portable, what > would be a good way for a utility written in bds-c to learn the > environment descriptor address? > ... > Any ideas, suggestions, or further discussion would be appreciated. If I > receive mail on this subject, I will summarize to the net. Most of the comments received were public postings, so I won't quote them extensively. Apparently, according to the collective wisdom of the net, there is no formal mechanism for passing a pointer to the environment descriptor (ENV) to a program written in an HLL. Should such a mechanism exist? More on that latter. Several different approaches were mentioned, some of which were generally applicable to any language, and some of which were peculiar to bds-c. I. Find the environment descriptor by searching memory for the identifying string 'Z3ENV'. Marc Wilson (mwilson@crash.cts.com) in <3649@crash.cts.com> wrote: > The *easiest* way is to code a loop that begins at the top of memory > and scans downwards for the string "Z3ENV". As long as you're between the > BIOS and the top of memory, the only place that that string should appear > is at address ENV+3. That'll give you the environment address. > > Note that this technique is *extremely* dangerous on any system that > supports memory-mapped I/O ( i.e. Apple CP/M ), for obvious reasons. Both Jay Sage (SAGE@LL.ARPA) and Bridger Mitchell (bridger%rcc@RAND.ORG) pointed out that a simple memory search is not sufficient, since 'Z3ENV' could exist at other locations than the ENV, (named directory buffer, disk i/o buffers, etc). They mentioned that if this technique is used, a check should be made to be sure the ENV address indicated by the search agrees with the self-contained address at ENV+1Bh. I used this technique several years ago for a few programs, but finally rejected it because it is not bulletproof. As Marc Wilson mentioned, the search can produce very interesting results on any system with memory mapped i/o; that alone seems sufficient reason to reject it for any program meant for general distribution. II. Write a module, perhaps ASM or a C structure, which mimics the z3env header, then jumps to the runtime package entry point; link this module in at the correct address. Several good folks from whom I received mail suggested this approach. The catch, of course, is linking such a module at the correct address. I don't see that one has that option. I'm no authority on HLLs as run under cp/m, but since the final binary must start execution at 100h, would not a designer place the runtime package/initialization code at that address? III. Compile and link in the usual way; hand patch the final binary by moving the first few bytes (where the Z3 header goes) to the end of the file, together with a mover routine. Patch a Z3 header in the space thus left at the beginning. At run time, pick up the ENV pointer from the header, store it at some fixed location, move the first few bytes back to the beginning of the file, and jump to the beginning. This ingenious idea came from Bridger Mitchell (bridger%rcc@RAND.ORG). It is certainly generally applicable, not only to bds-c, but to any .COM file. The only negative is the rather kludgy way in which the final binary must be put together, but even that could be automated, as Bridger points out, with a ZEX script. IV. Incorporate a Z3 header in CCC.ASM, the source code for the bds-c runtime package. Assemble to a customized runtime package (C.CCC) to be used with ZCPR. Andrew Scott Beals (bandy@well.UUCP) in <10150@well.UUCP> wrote: > Have my eyes been deceiving me? > > Everyone who owns a [legal] copy of BDS C knows that you get the source to > "C.CCC", which is the run-time header that gets prepended to all .COM > programs. The solution is to simply take Bridger's code (jmp 10bh ! db > 'ZENV3',1 ! dw 0) and put it at the head of the source to C.CCC ... No, Andy, your eyes haven't been deceiving you! And yes, I own a legal copy of bds-c! Andy's suggestion makes a lot of sense, though it is applicable to bds-c only, and is not a general solution to the problem of Zcpr/HLLs. It was also my first tentative solution to the problem, before posting my inquiry. It can perhaps be done, but it is not quite as simple as Andy suggests, and has a few disadvantages. According to the documentation (I haven't actually tried this, yet), and without going into excessive detail, that part of the standard library which is written in C would have to be recompiled, using a new standard header which accorded with the new C.CCC. That part of the library written in assembly language would have to be reassembled, as most such functions reference absolute addresses in the runtime package. So, now we have a second, non-standard set of libraries and a second, non-standard runtime package, different files with identical names, and we must remember to get the right pieces of the right package when we put it all together at 4:00 AM! Also, the linker (CLINK) plugs certain information into absolute addresses in C.CCC. This can be worked around by using various linker options; unfortunately using those options deprives us of the possibility of using the -n (no warm boot) option, which allows the application to simply 'return' rather than warm booting. Nevertheless, this could work for bds-c. Without getting into a debate on the side-issue of assembly language vs high-level language programming for cp/m, a few thoughts come to mind. Cp/m has come a long way since plain vanilla cp/m 2.2, and offers many more advanced facilities. The environment descriptor is fundamental to making use of these facilities. If we were designing the operating system from scratch, no doubt the environment descriptor address would be available from a system call. This could not be done when we had only the Digital Research bdos. Now, however, we have a whole new generation of bdos replacements being used in our 'Z' systems. Would it not be appropriate to consider incorporating a system call which returns a pointer to ENV in these new bdos's? -- Dave Goodman dgee@cup.portal.com ...sun!portal!cup.portal.com!dgee ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 7-Jan-89 01:42:24-MST,7885;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sat, 7 Jan 89 01:30:42 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #8 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Sat, 7 Jan 89 Volume 89 : Issue 8 Today's Topics: Balcones <-> Xerox ? Redirecting printer output to file redirection of output (2 msgs) Redirection of printer output (3 msgs) Xerox 16/8 BIOS ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 5 Jan 89 04:04:53 GMT From: joyce!aaifs!ted@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Ted Nolan) Subject: Balcones <-> Xerox ? Ok.. How do you use the slot to get extra bankable memory for CPM? Ted Nolan ted@braggvax.arpa ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Jan 89 18:22:08 PST From: Bridger Mitchell Subject: Redirecting printer output to file When a large quantity of output is to be redirected, utilities that rely on an in-memory buffer are inadequate. BackGrounder ii includes a print spooling command that will redirect output of any number of successive programs, limited only by the capacity of the disk to hold the output file. The companion "Q" utility prints files from a queue as a true background process, i.e. while you are running other programs. The spooling features were reviewed in Profiles, May 1988. --bridger mitchell ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jan 89 15:35:58 GMT From: ima!cfisun!lakart!dg@decvax.dec.com (David Goodenough) Subject: redirection of output From article <2924@uhccux.uhcc.hawaii.edu>, by lee@uhccux.uhcc.hawaii.edu (Greg Lee): > From article <8901031516.AA28528@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU>, by CCCRAIG@UMCVMB.MISSOURI.EDU ("Craig Pepmiller"): > " My father works on a Kaypro II and a Kaypro 10. He is trying to redirect > " output form the serial port (printer) to a disk file. Is there a CPM > " instruction to do this? Maybe a small utility? > > PIP Not quite. I think what is required is PIP FILE.XYZ = LST: I have a TSR that catches console output, and it should be trivial to modify it to catch LST: output. -- dg@lakart.UUCP - David Goodenough +---+ | +-+-+ ....... !harvard!xait!lakart!dg +-+-+ | AKA: dg%lakart.uucp@xait.xerox.com +---+ ------------------------------ Date: 5 Jan 89 10:20:47 GMT From: uhccux!lee@humu.nosc.mil (Greg Lee) Subject: redirection of output From article <1996@sigma.UUCP>, by bill@sigma.UUCP (William Swan): " >" My father works on a Kaypro II and a Kaypro 10. He is trying to redirect " >" output form the serial port (printer) to a disk file. Is there a CPM " >" instruction to do this? Maybe a small utility? " > " >PIP " " Actually, no. What is needed is some form of i/o capture utility. I believe I was a little terse -- I couldn't remember anything more than that I had used PIP for this on the Kaypro II. Now it's coming back to me. A terminal program with a capture-text-in-file mode should work. But you can use PIP if you're desperate. You have to modify PIP with DDT by inserting a few assembler instructions to read the port. This is a supported hack -- there's a little room left in PIP for this very purpose. As I recall, there is ascii text in the PIP code saying where the right place is. Greg, lee@uhccux.uhcc.hawaii.edu ------------------------------ Date: 5 Jan 89 16:00:14 GMT From: uhccux!lee@humu.nosc.mil (Greg Lee) Subject: Redirection of printer output From article <10816@tekecs.TEK.COM>, by andrew@frip.gwd.tek.com (Andrew Klossner): " ... " [The contributor who suggested PIP has apparently confused " printer->disk with disk->printer.] Well, there is some confusion, anyhow. I thought the original posting concerned redirecting stuff coming from the serial port. If it was stuff going to the serial port instead, what I said about PIP is not relevant. By the way, the Unix-like shell that was once marketed by New Directions allows this other type of redirection, also. It's a real nice program. Greg, lee@uhccux.uhcc.hawaii.edu ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 89 17:56:40 GMT From: tikal!sigma!bill@beaver.cs.washington.edu (William Swan) Subject: Redirection of printer output In article <5967@cadnetix.COM> rusty@cadnetix.COM (Rusty) writes: >>My father works with a Kaypro 10 and a Kaypro II. He is trying to capture >>output that would normally be sent to the printer serial port to a disk file. > >I seem to recall someone posting or commmenting about a program that would >do what Craig is asking for, but it MAY have been for IBM-PC style systems >(sorry). Was there such a posting HERE, or was I dreaming? Can anyone >REALLY help craig? It was here. There was a program (called IOCAP) I saw some time ago that captured console I/O and shunted it to a file. It was out of the CPMUG disks. I just took a look through a printout of the SIMTEL20 archives, and found: kaypro/iocapkp.lbr which might be the same thing. Unfortunately, my tape of the archives is at another site and I don't have access to it (Jon, could you e-mail me a copy of said .LBR file if convenient?), so I can't verify that it is this same program. If it is, it shouldn't be difficult to modify to capture printer output instead - as long as the utility in question uses the LST: (PRN:?) device and not direct port i/o. I've thought such a utility would be handy at times. -- William Swan ..!tikal.Teltone.COM!sigma!bill ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jan 89 21:41:44 GMT From: cadnetix.COM!cadnetix!rusty@uunet.uu.net (Rusty) Subject: Redirection of printer output In article <8901032051.AA04368@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> CCCRAIG@UMCVMB.MISSOURI.EDU ("Craig Pepmiller") writes: >My father works with a Kaypro 10 and a Kaypro II. He is trying to capture >output that would normally be sent to the printer (serial port) to a disk file. >Can this be done in CPM? Can anyone tell me the command sequence or utility to >do it? > >Thanks, > >Craig Pepmiller The suggestions I have seen so far don't hack it. PIP will redirect INPUT, maybe (on a lucky day, anyway), but he wants to redirect OUTPUT. I suppose he could hook his K10 up to his KII and use a terminal program on the recieving Kaypro to capture the data. I seem to recall someone posting or commmenting about a program that would do what Craig is asking for, but it MAY have been for IBM-PC style systems (sorry). Was there such a posting HERE, or was I dreaming? Can anyone REALLY help craig? ----- Rusty Carruth UUCP:{uunet,boulder}!cadnetix!rusty DOMAIN: rusty@cadnetix.com Cadnetix Corp. (303) 444-8075x681 \ 5775 Flatiron Pkwy. \ Boulder, Co 80301 Radio: N7IKQ 'home': P.O.B. 461 \ Lafayette, CO 80026 ------------------------------ Date: 5 Jan 89 03:58:03 GMT From: joyce!aaifs!ted@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Ted Nolan) Subject: Xerox 16/8 BIOS Any information anyone has on the 8/16 would be welcome. I've got one, but no sofware for the silly thing. I didn't follow the install instructions for CPM, I looked at the hard disk BEFORE reiniting it, and there was a lot of stuff there for factory use, including a demo that played music, so I know there's sound somewhere, but I can't find it in the Xerox manuals. I know there's direct screen access too, I can get it from the monitor level, but not from CPM, so I can't make VDO work. As I say, any info or software would be nice! Ted Nolan ted@braggvax.arpa ted@spam.istc.sri.com ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 8-Jan-89 01:44:38-MST,3735;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 89 01:30:32 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #9 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Sun, 8 Jan 89 Volume 89 : Issue 9 Today's Topics: RCP/M Royal Oak Support Fund redirection of output Redirection of printer output Whatever happend to Turbo-Modula-2? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 5 Jan 89 00:27:34 GMT From: medin@cod.nosc.mil (Ted Medin) Subject: RCP/M Royal Oak Support Fund Ok this is the address for Royal Oak, lets send a check of any size to get Keith's hard disk back on the air. RCP/M Royal Oak Support Fund Box 36238 Detroit MI 48236 Make the check payable to Keith Petersen. After all the good he's done we can trust him with this. Thanks Keith. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jan 89 18:34:22 GMT From: tikal!sigma!bill@beaver.cs.washington.edu (William Swan) Subject: redirection of output >" My father works on a Kaypro II and a Kaypro 10. He is trying to redirect >" output form the serial port (printer) to a disk file. Is there a CPM >" instruction to do this? Maybe a small utility? > >PIP Actually, no. What is needed is some form of i/o capture utility. I believe there is one somewher in the CP/MUG archives that could be modified to do this (called, I believe, IOCAP), but I don't know of a utility to do this. PIP will copy a file to the printer port, but it won't divert printer output. -- William Swan ..!tikal.Teltone.COM!sigma!bill ------------------------------ Date: 5 Jan 89 01:55:53 GMT From: tektronix!tekecs!frip!andrew@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Andrew Klossner) Subject: Redirection of printer output "My father works with a Kaypro 10 and a Kaypro II. He is trying to capture output that would normally be sent to the printer (serial port) to a disk file. Can this be done in CPM? Can anyone tell me the command sequence or utility to do it?" There is no standard way to do this. It wouldn't be hard to write a utility to do it; the utility would shuffle itself to high memory and load the application (like DDT), capture the BDOS "print character" vector, and buffer and write a disk file. [The contributor who suggested PIP has apparently confused printer->disk with disk->printer.] -=- Andrew Klossner (uunet!tektronix!hammer!frip!andrew) [UUCP] (andrew%frip.gwd.tek.com@relay.cs.net) [ARPA] ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jan 89 21:37:15 GMT From: ea.ecn.purdue.edu!wieland@ee.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeffrey J Wieland) Subject: Whatever happend to Turbo-Modula-2? In article <8901041829.AA24623@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> rcarter@WSMR-EMH02.ARMY.MIL (Raymond Carter STEWS-NR-AD 678-1536) writes: >I thought I saw in the latest catalog from Central Computer >that they had Turbo-Modula2 for sale. In the latest one I have, its listed in the index (along with CP/M Turbo Pascal) but it isn't on the pages listed. I too am interested in the fate of TM2. I've been using it develop some graphics modules for the MicroSphere graphics board that I have in my Kaypro 2X. I is noticeably faster than Turbo Pascal for this. The bit and cardinal operations seem to be particularly fast. I got my copy second hand; Echelon had my still uncashed check when they folded. Jeff Wieland wieland@ecn.purdue.edu ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 10-Jan-89 01:39:40-MST,1872;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 10 Jan 89 01:31:07 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #10 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 10 Jan 89 Volume 89 : Issue 10 Today's Topics: Tape Lib Turbo Modula 2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 9 Jan 89 15:53:43 GMT From: rochester!kodak!ektools!rwl@bbn.com (Richard W. Lourette) Subject: Tape Lib I am looking for a DBaseII application that will manage the ser- mon tape library for our church. The application would be required to print labels of specific selections on demand as well as manage the selections on file. Any information on a this or a similar application would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance... Rich Lourette ( ..rochester!kodak!ektools!rwl ) ------------------------------ Date: 9 Jan 89 13:19:53 GMT From: ea.ecn.purdue.edu!wieland@ee.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeffrey J Wieland) Subject: Turbo Modula 2 In article <8901061812.AA12911@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> rcarter@WSMR-EMH02.ARMY.MIL (Raymond Carter STEWS-NR-AD 678-1536) writes: >In reference to several questions about availability of Turbo >Modula 2, I submit the following information. >If anyone actually orders it, we might be interested in their >response, support, etc. I called Central Computer last week about TM2. They said that it is not available now; however, they expect to have it for sale sometime in February. They could not tell me who the vendor is (or will be). Jeff Wieland wieland@ecn.purdue.edu ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 11-Jan-89 01:37:52-MST,3492;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 11 Jan 89 01:30:35 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #11 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Wed, 11 Jan 89 Volume 89 : Issue 11 Today's Topics: CP/M Wordstar 4.0 with a Wyse50 Qterm and Cpm 3.0 ZCPR and HLLs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 10 Jan 89 12:50:03 GMT From: emcard!stiatl!todd@gatech.edu (Todd Merriman) Subject: CP/M Wordstar 4.0 with a Wyse50 Has anyone patched Wordstar 4.0 (CP/M) for a Wyse50? The installattion that comes with WS doesn't work! Please send me the patch(es). ------------------------------ Date: 11 Jan 89 00:18:01 GMT From: simon@g.ms.uky.edu (Simon Gales) Subject: Qterm and Cpm 3.0 I'm trying to patch Qterm to work on c128 in cp/m mode. I'm using the standard auxillary status/io bdos calls. I have used DEVICE and CONF to set the AUX device to 1200 baud (rs232). When I fire up Qterm, everything works fine until I type somthing to the modem - I can get the help menu, etc, but typing 'AT' locks the system. Are these bdos cals set up properly in commodore's version of cp/m+? -- /--------------------------------------------------------------------------\ Simon Gales@University of Ky UUCP: {rutgers, uunet}!ukma!simon (- Insert Virus Code Here -) Arpa: simon@ms.uky.edu MaBell: (606) 263-2285/257-3597 BitNet: simon@UKMA.BITNET ------------------------------ Date: Mon 10 Jan 1989 14:57:44 EDT From: Subject: ZCPR and HLLs There is one comment about gaining access to Z-System facilities with programs written in high level languages that I neglected to make earlier. There is, in a weak sense, an operating system call that returns the ENV address. The ZCPR command processor since version 3.3 has placed the environment address in the HL register on entry to a program. If the high level language allows the user to gain control before some initialization package loses the information in HL, then this can be used (but, as always, should be validated before it is trusted). This is essentially a modification of Bridger's patch suggestion or the suggestion of recoding C.CCC. It is much easier just to save the contents of HL than it is to create the whole Z header as Bridger described. Such a program, however, will fail with versions of ZCPR before 3.3. BackGrounder ii has supported this facility from the beginning, however, and will work fine. Having a real DOS call is a very interesting idea. Perhaps the DOS version function call could return the ENV address as well. The problem is that the new DOSs may already be absolutely full, with no spare bytes for this. But it is certainly a suggestion worth passing along to the authors. Also, if you are using one of the public-domain DOSs (Z80DOS, P2DOS, NOVADOS), then you can try putting it in yourself. Another possibility is to load an RSX that would provide this extended service. The roughly 2K memory cost might, however, be too much to pay. It might be an interesting and easy way to experiment, however. -- Jay ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 12-Jan-89 01:36:37-MST,1917;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 12 Jan 89 01:30:58 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #12 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 12 Jan 89 Volume 89 : Issue 12 Today's Topics: Need Wunderbuss info PCPI Technical Support ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 11 Jan 89 20:40:22 GMT From: hamal.usc.edu!mead@oberon.usc.edu (Dick Mead) Subject: Need Wunderbuss info I was recently given a Morrow Wunderbuss WB14 Rev.1 Wunder Bus I/O S100 motherboard, less any docs..If anyone has any technical docs, or any docs at all, I would gladly pay for duplication. Thanks. Dick Mead ------------------------------ Date: 11 Jan 89 06:52:47 GMT From: astroatc!nicmad!madnix!rat@speedy.cs.wisc.edu (David Douthitt) Subject: PCPI Technical Support Do any of you kind souls out there have technical details on the PCPI CP/M card? I'm mostly interested in 1. How to write drivers and 2. How to access the Apple and get the 6502 to operate and whatever. Also any data on the PCPI Memory map and BIOS format or source would be nice. I thank you much. By the way, if you are just plain interested in the PCPI card or in anything I find out, drop a line. We should start setting up some sort of an informal network of PCPI users. --- david -- :::: David Douthitt :::: Madison, WI :::: The Stainless Steel Rat :::: usenet mail: ...{rutgers|ucbvax|harvard}!uwvax!astroatc!nicmad!madnix!rat fidonet: 1:121/1 {decvax|att}! ! {uunet|ncoast}!marque! ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 13-Jan-89 01:41:32-MST,2046;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 13 Jan 89 01:30:09 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #13 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 13 Jan 89 Volume 89 : Issue 13 Today's Topics: Amstrad The Computer Journal ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Jan 89 11:16:30 MST From: Raymond Carter STEWS-NR-AD 678-1536 Subject: Amstrad I see the Amstrad 9512 (CP/M+) system advertised in Computer Shopper for what looks like a fairly good price. This brings to mind two questions I was wondering if someone could answer: 1. How much data can be stored on each of the 3-inch disks. 2. Has anyone sucessfully transplanted 3.5-inch disks, or added one to the system? (3.5's are a whole lot more readily available, and a bunch cheaper, too.) Thanks for any responses!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed 12 Jan 1989 16:20:09 EDT From: Subject: The Computer Journal I received the following query from someone whose return address was not accepted by my mailer. >> Is the computer journal a CP/M-80 magazine? A hardware hackers >> magazine? TCJ does not focus exclusively on CP/M-80, but it has a very strong interest in that direction. It is one of the few remaining magazines with a hobbyist orientation. I have a regular column on Z-System (an advanced CP/M replacement operating system), and Bridger Mitchell has a regular column on topics in advanced CP/M (things like file structures, subtleties of the DOS and BIOS, and so on). Rick Charnes will now be contributing regularly. His articles will deal with uses of Z-System and DateStamping, among other things. -- Jay Sage ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 14-Jan-89 01:45:13-MST,4432;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sat, 14 Jan 89 01:30:42 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #14 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Sat, 14 Jan 89 Volume 89 : Issue 14 Today's Topics: Conversion Oki 82 -> 92 Redirection(s) -> conix ZCPR and HLLs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Jan 89 09:49:17 EST From: Jerry Glomph Black <@ll-vlsi.arpa:black@ll-micro> Subject: Conversion Oki 82 -> 92 I remember a company (Rainbow Tech.?) made a small kludge board to turn the generally uncapable Okidata 82 printer ('draft mode' text only) into a model 92 (has not-so-NLQ, and bit-mapped graphics). I haven't seen it advertised for a quite a while, but there must be some out there, somewhere. Anyone know where I could get one? Jerry Black (black@micro@LL-VLSI.arpa) ------------------------------ Date: 13 Jan 89 05:16:55 GMT From: joyce!aaifs!ted@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Ted Nolan) Subject: Redirection(s) -> conix Computer Helper Industries Inc makes a CPM add-on/replacement called CONIX that does redirection. You can redirect console input and output as well as printer output. You also get pipes, a fairly sophisticated batch file language, named or tree directories, utilities and online manuals. I haven't taken the time to get it up on my 8/16, but it ran pretty well on my 820-II before my hard disk went read-only. The complete package is about $70, and shareware versions start at $20 I have no connection with CHI except as a customer, etc etc. Here's the address: Computer Helper Industries Inc PO Box 680 Parkchester Station, NY 10462 (212) 652-1786 Ted Nolan ted@braggvax.arpa ted@spam.istc.sri.com ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jan 89 23:39:54 GMT From: portal!cup.portal.com!dgee@uunet.uu.net (David O Goodman) Subject: ZCPR and HLLs In article SAGE@LL.ARPA writes: > There is, in a weak sense, an operating system call that returns the ENV > address. The ZCPR command processor since version 3.3 has placed the > environment address in the HL register on entry to a program. If the high > level language allows the user to gain control before some initialization > package loses the information in HL, then this can be used (but, as always, > should be validated before it is trusted). ... The problem, or course, is that the IF ("if the high level language..."), is a very big IF indeed! It seems to me that most HLLs running under cp/m must, of necessity, have the entry to their initialization routines at 100h, where they will execute before any routine the programmer provides. > Having a real DOS call is a very interesting idea. Perhaps the DOS > version function call could return the ENV address as well. The problem is > that the new DOSs may already be absolutely full, with no spare bytes for > this. But it is certainly a suggestion worth passing along to the authors. The suggestion was a system call which would return the ENV address. It seems to me that this would provide a standardized way for any program, ASM or HLL, to obtain the information. Presumably, the present system would also have to be maintained for backward compatibility. But the present system is really, with all due respect to Jay, a kludge, albeit an ingenious one. When ZCPR 3.0 was written, the Cp/m world was stuck with the Digital Research bdos, so another way had to found to transfer the ENV address to a transient program. Z3INS was the answer; and under ZCPR 3.3/3.4 Jay ingeniously converted the original installation system to an auto-install system. Now, however, we have alternatives to the Digital Research bdos, and one or the other of these alternatives are probably going to be used on most up to date systems. We expect to be able use calls such as #27 (return ALLOC address), #31 (return DPB address); what is conceptually different about call #nn (return ENV address)? -- Dave Goodman dgee@cup.portal.com ...sun!portal!cup.portal.com!dgee ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 15-Jan-89 01:49:02-MST,3367;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sun, 15 Jan 89 01:30:51 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #15 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Sun, 15 Jan 89 Volume 89 : Issue 15 Today's Topics: bondwell model-2 laptop owners CP/M for the TRS80 Model II Radio Schlock TRS-80 Model II hard drive ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 13 Jan 89 18:02:52 GMT From: mcvax!cernvax!ethz!solaris!wyle@uunet.uu.net (Mitchell Wyle) Subject: bondwell model-2 laptop owners I am looking for other owners of the bondwell model-2 laptop to swap ideas, war stories, and software via e-mail. I would also appreciate pointers to vendors who sell h/w or s/w for the bondwell model-2. Thanks. -- -Mitchell F. Wyle wyle@ethz.uucp Institut fuer Informationsysteme wyle@inf.ethz.ch ETH Zentrum / 8092 Zurich, Switzerland +41 1 256 5237 ------------------------------ Date: 13 Jan 89 19:29:01 GMT From: att!alberta!auvax!tech@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Richard Loken) Subject: CP/M for the TRS80 Model II Cheap computing is now available to YOU the consumer! I was feeling flush this week so I bought a copy of P&T CP/M for my Model II (to replace an old pirated copy of Lifeboat CP/M). TriSoft in Texas is selling P&T CP/M with complete documentation and a visual editor and DSDD capability for US$85.00. An upgrade of an old legal copy of CP/M is even cheaper. If you have considered using CP/M instead of TRSDOS or upgrading an old version or going legal this is the time to do it. But thats not all!! Micropro is selling CP/M Wordstar Version 4 for US$89.00 as well so I bought a copy to replace my copy of version 2.x. It is very hard to find a good reason to buy a new computer. ********* 73 ********** Richard Loken VE6BSV . **** .. **** Athabasca University .... **** Athabasca, Alberta Canada ..........**** alberta!auvax ------------------------------ Date: 13 Jan 89 19:39:38 GMT From: att!alberta!auvax!tech@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Richard Loken) Subject: Radio Schlock TRS-80 Model II hard drive Now that I have four eight inch drives running on my Model II I thought it would be kind of nice to run a hard disc and maybe two floppies (oh heck run four). At one time Radio Schlock sold a 15M hard drive for the price of a used Volvo which from the pictures seems to be the size of a VW Microbus. Questions. What were these drives and how common are they? Have any of you put a hard disc of any form on a Model II and what did you learn from it? How easy is it to make the hard disc bootable? Have you found a way to boot the hard disc with elegance, say so that if a floppy is in drive 0 then you boot from drive 0? Am I being really ignorant? ********* 73 ********** Richard Loken VE6BSV . **** .. **** Athabasca University .... **** Athabasca, Alberta Canada ..........**** alberta!auvax ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 16-Jan-89 01:42:59-MST,4805;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 16 Jan 89 01:30:15 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #16 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 16 Jan 89 Volume 89 : Issue 16 Today's Topics: Capturing console/printer output to a disk file. Redirection of printer output TRS-80 Model-II hard disks ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jan 89 07:58:35 IST From: "Jacques J. Goldberg" Subject: Capturing console/printer output to a disk file. Strangely enough, nobody has yet quoted that CP/M 3 (alias CP/M + ) does it, built in! (and an RSX hack could do it, if it wasn't there anyway). So the next question will be, where to find CP/M 3 for those Kaypros, I guess. Jacques J. Goldberg Happy LOBO+CP/M-3 owner. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jan 89 05:52:51 GMT From: morris@jade.Berkeley.EDU (Mike Morris) Subject: Redirection of printer output In article <> andrew@frip.gwd.tek.com (Andrew Klossner) writes: > > "My father works with a Kaypro 10 and a Kaypro II. He is > trying to capture output that would normally be sent to the > printer (serial port) to a disk file. Can this be done in CPM? > Can anyone tell me the command sequence or utility to do it?" > >There is no standard way to do this. It wouldn't be hard to write a >utility to do it; the utility would shuffle itself to high memory and >load the application (like DDT), capture the BDOS "print character" >vector, and buffer and write a disk file. > >[The contributor who suggested PIP has apparently confused >printer->disk with disk->printer.] > > -=- Andrew Klossner (uunet!tektronix!hammer!frip!andrew) [UUCP] > (andrew%frip.gwd.tek.com@relay.cs.net) [ARPA] On the chance that he is having to repeat my efforts with wordstar, I had to write a serial printer driver for Wordstar 3.01 years ago... If he needs it (to crib code from if nothing else) I'll be happy to send it to him. It sits in the patch space, and opens a file and then procedds to dump all printer output to it. When the printer is done, the file is closed, all neat and pretty. One of the projects on the stack is to hack my BIOS to implement another redirection target (UL1: or something) to be a modification of that old patch - to some file like OUT.OUT, which would then be renamed. Or something. Lastly, one kludge that I used one time was a serial print buffer, with the output stalled with a ^S. I dumped the file into it, then ran the modem program, after it was up I started the capture function, swapped ports on the buffer, and a ^Q sucked the file in. It worked, but it took a couple of tries and a breakout box to do it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ #Include disclaimer.standard #Include quote.cute The opinions above probably do not even come close to those of my employer(s). US Snail: ...............UUCP: .........................Also: Mike Morris .............morris@Jade.JPL.NASA.gov ..... WA6ILQ P.O. Box 1130 Arcadia, Ca. 91006-1130 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Jan 89 16:27:59 CST From: mknox@emx.utexas.edu (Margaret H. Knox) Subject: TRS-80 Model-II hard disks Richard, To answer some of your questions: There are a number of sources for new/used hard disks for the Model-II, -12,-16, and -6000. Pacific Exchange sells them, as does Kilgore's Electronics (Ft. Worth, TX). Computer Shopper also has ads, both display and classified, from folks with drives to sell. There is now everything from 8.7 mbyte drives up to 70 mbyte (and I know some folks using the 12 Mbyte controllerr with a 330 mbyte drive). Most of the machines will boot directly from the hard disk (if available, and with the boot track software written). Some of the older Model-II's did not come with the boot rom for the hard disk. On those models you have the choice of finding a new boot rom, or of booting first from floppy, then telling it so switch to the hard disk. [Note: This is also what you do if you want to partition the hard disk for both CP/M and TRSDOS or CP/M and XENIX. You set it up to boot TRSDOS/XENIX directly, or use the floppy to link to the CP/M partition of the hard disk.] Holler if I can help. ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 17-Jan-89 01:45:08-MST,3852;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 17 Jan 89 01:30:19 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #17 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 17 Jan 89 Volume 89 : Issue 17 Today's Topics: Epson PX-8 FILINK software MicroEmacs? Minix Question about altos mp/m//cp/m ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 16 Jan 89 10:52:22 GMT From: mcvax!hp4nl!kunivv1!phoibos!ge@uunet.uu.net (Ge Weijers) Subject: Epson PX-8 FILINK software Could anyone tell me what file-transfer protocol is used by the Epson FILINK software on an Epson PX-8. I'd link to use it for file transfer purposes to non-Epson systems. Any hints would be welcome. Ge' Weijers. Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science University of Nijmegen, Toernooiveld 1 the Netherlands. UUCP: ge@phoibos.uucp -or- ge@cs.kun.nl -or- {backbone!}kunivv1!phoibos!ge ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jan 89 19:49:53 GMT From: eichin@athena.mit.edu (Mark W. Eichin) Subject: MicroEmacs? After 4 years at MIT, I have become addicted to emacs. Now that I am back in the micro world, is there a version of emacs (or some editor with emacs-like bindings) that runs under CP/M or TurboDos? Rebinding wordstar to have similar commands won't quite do it... Mark Eichin ps. Post discussion, but email any pointers to real code... /Happy Hacking........\\.............Mark Eichin/ ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jan 89 16:03:46 GMT From: pacbell!pbhyd!tse@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Tom Edwards) Subject: Minix I tried to mail to Joseph E. Poplawski using the full mailing address he had given in his letter but it was rejected, so I'm mailing this via the net. Please excuse the interruption, if you're not interested. >From: jep@fantasci.UUCP (Joseph E Poplawski) >Newsgroups: comp.sys.cbm >Subject: Some questions... >Has anyone out there ported Minix to the Commodore 128 native mode using >either Power-C or Super-C, or to CP/M 3.0 mode? I already own the book with >Commodore 128 and 64 to connect to UNIX systems for the purposes of sending and >receiving mail. I am not sure if setting up News for the commodore would be Jo, I too would be interested in having Minix on my 128 (and being able to mail/port to Unix systems. Let me know what you find out. Thanks, Tom -- -- Tom S. Edwards {att,bellcore,sun,ames,pyramid}!pacbell!pbhyd!tse ------------------------------ Date: 16 Jan 89 22:06:27 GMT From: vax5!btcx@cu-arpa.cs.cornell.edu Subject: Question about altos mp/m//cp/m I am looking at purchasing and altos machine which has some software that I am interested in. The hard-disk (10 or 20 meg) boots mp/m which I guess is a multi-user cp/m. It has an 8" floppy drive, and mp/m seems to read the mp/m (double density) floppies ok, but it can't read the single density cp/m floppies that have the software I am more interested in. It's a leftover machine so the people getting rid of it don't know what it can do. Documentation is next to non-existent. My question is this: Is that 8" drive a dual density drive and do I need a single density cp/m boot floppy to get it started or what? please reply directly to me at one of the following: Internet: btcx@vax5.cit..cornell.edu or carcich@cuspif.tn.cornell BITnet: btcx@crnlvax5 SPAN/HEPnet: CUSPIF::CARCICH (6287::CARCICH) ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 18-Jan-89 01:43:24-MST,1551;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 18 Jan 89 01:30:34 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #18 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Wed, 18 Jan 89 Volume 89 : Issue 18 Today's Topics: PX-8 FILINK ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Jan 89 13:14:06 EST From: John C Klensin Subject: PX-8 FILINK FILINK is yet another variation on the XMODEM theme, but has its own idiosyncracies. As far as I know--and I tried to find out some time ago when they were still "supporting" the machine in the US--Epson was never willing to release the details of the protocol. They did distribute versions of the software for one of their desktop CP/M machines, for at least one of their PC clones, and for the IBM PC itself. The latter never worked, at least in the copy I got; I can't speak for the others. Two suggestions: There is a version of CP/M kermit set up for the PX-8 which works well as long as you don't try transferring large files to and from the optional diskette drive. And there is another program that Epson sells, called "Geneva Connection" or something like that in the US, which supports XMODEM and does so reasonably well. FILINK seems to be mostly a write-off. ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 19-Jan-89 01:45:27-MST,3099;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 19 Jan 89 01:30:18 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #19 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 19 Jan 89 Volume 89 : Issue 19 Today's Topics: Epson PX-8 FILINK software INFO-CPM Digest V89 #18 Turbo Pascal Reissued ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Jan 89 02:37:46 GMT From: eve.usc.edu!mlinar@oberon.usc.edu (Mitch Mlinar) Subject: Epson PX-8 FILINK software In article <493@phoibos.UUCP> ge@phoibos.UUCP (Ge Weijers) writes: >Could anyone tell me what file-transfer protocol is used by the Epson >FILINK software on an Epson PX-8. I'd link to use it for file transfer >purposes to non-Epson systems. Any hints would be welcome. > I know you are in the Netherlands, so suggesting that you go to the simtel20 archives is not possible. However, they have the source code to a FILINK-compatable modem program. Source is included, so the rest (protocol) should be easy to determine. I *did* try to email this to you, but it bounced. -Mitch ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jan 89 16:21 EST From: Lewallen@DOCKMASTER.ARPA Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #18 Reference the MIT grad who asked about EMACS. Apparenly Perfect Writer is a very clos approximation to EMACS. Unfortunately Perfect Software is now defunct. Perfect Writer was bundled with the CPM Kaypro computers. I don't know of the legality of just getting a copy, but perhaps you can find a Kaypro user who is using WS and no longer wants his Perfect Writer. It is not an exact clone, but I recently started using EMACS on a MULTICS machine and I have only found one or two commands which I had to look up. ------------------------------ Date: Tue 18 Jan 1989 15:02:38 EDT From: Subject: Turbo Pascal Reissued Some time ago I indicated that Turbo Pascal would again become available. Having seen an announcement on the Lillipute Z-Node, I can now make the information public. Alpha Systems has acquired rights to sell Turbo Pascal and has prepared a new manual. The cost is $60 plus $3 shipping and handling in the US. The ordering information is as follows: Alpha Systems 711 Chatsworth Place San Jose, CA 95128 Since I am passing on this information, I honor-bound to add the following caveat. Sage Microsystems East and I, personally, have received a great many reports of serious order fulfillment problems with Alpha Systems. Therefore, although Alpha's notice indicates that it will accept payment in the form of a check, money order, or COD shipment, I recommend that only COD be used. That way, if you never receive the product, at least you have not paid for it. -- Jay Sage ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 20-Jan-89 01:44:43-MST,4403;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 20 Jan 89 01:30:12 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #20 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 20 Jan 89 Volume 89 : Issue 20 Today's Topics: help: info on Intertec Seeking [XY]modem, or Kermit for Kaypro II Soft-Sector for Northstar Horizon? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Jan 89 12:43:33 GMT From: ssbell!mcmi!hdr!unocss!mlewis@uunet.uu.net (Marcus S. Lewis) Subject: help: info on Intertec I have a friend who recently acquired an Interetec machine, and all she got was a box of hardware and a disk with an absolute minimum of S/W. That is, a system disk w/ pip and stat on it. Does there exist a terminal emulator for this machine? Does there exist documentation? I have a lot of stuff, but I can't read her disks, and she cant read mine (I have a Heath H-100). If I can PIP KERMIT over to her or SMODEM, we can talk, but I am not up to a major effort. She plans to run a packet radio system with this thing. Tnx in advance. She's been asking for a couple of weeks now. Marc Lewis ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jan 89 23:00:26 GMT From: att!ihlpf!phread@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (00771a-Shumway) Subject: Seeking [XY]modem, or Kermit for Kaypro II (Donning my software archeologist's pith helmet) I'm trying to acquire a shareware or PD implementation of either Xmodem, Ymodem, or Kermit for a Kaypro II running CPM 2.2H. A friend is making a great leap forward by upgrading their non-profit arts administrative office systems from a Kaypro II to the brave new world of a Macintosh SE. They've got com software for the Mac but hope to avoid keying their proposals, budgets, boiler plate and 2000 person mailing list into the Mac. Quite! Said Kaypro uses 5.25" diskettes, formatted to hold 390K which I assume is DSDD. Anyway, If you've a CPM box that can write this format I'll gladly send a floppy (formatted if need be) to anyone gracious enough to run off a copy for me. Many Thanks, Jesse Fred Shumway (312) 510-7880 att!ih1ap!phread phread@ih1ap.att.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jan 89 22:42:59 -0500 From: gonzalez@BBN.COM Subject: Soft-Sector for Northstar Horizon? Well, after a three-month disruption (work and hobbies don't always mix), I have resumed my search for a C compiler. I've narrowed it down to BDS, Aztec and Toolworks. I had called Leor Zolman about BDS, and made a most distressing discovery: he doesn't distribute on hard-sector floppies. Subsequent examination of the literature from MANX and Software Toolworks revealed that they can't help me and my DSDD 10-sector drive, either. So, I guess I *first* need to get a soft-sector drive onto my system. Anyone remember that cute song about Dear Henry and the bucket? Anyway, I am pursuing two solutions. The first is to simply purchase a soft- sector controller and a drive, and hammer out the driver in Z-80 assembler. The disadvantage of this is cost: a new Compupro Disk 1B lists for $620. As the guy who sold me this system concluded, at these prices one is better off buying a PC clone. So, does anyone know of less expensive boards, or have one they want to sell? Does it bother anyone else that S-100 boards are getting more expensive while watches, calculators, VCR's and CD players have dropped in price? The other possibility is to build a SCSI ontroller, as some people on this list have done, and buy a SCSI drive. Assuming that I can find S-100 format prototyping boards, this would probably be cheaper. Also, I would relish getting back to component-level work. Any leads on prototyping boards? Has anyone on this list, in addition to Doug Braun, done this? -Jim. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim Gonzalez AT&T: 617-873-2937 BBN Systems and Technologies Corp. ARPA: gonzalez@bbn.com Cambridge, Massachusetts UUCP: ...seismo!bbn!gonzalez ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 21-Jan-89 01:40:03-MST,4834;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sat, 21 Jan 89 01:30:29 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #21 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Sat, 21 Jan 89 Volume 89 : Issue 21 Today's Topics: Conversion of OKI 82 to IBM Soft-Sector for Northstar Horizon? (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 20 Jan 89 02:02:14 GMT From: xanth!nic.MR.NET!hal!ncoast!dchou@ames.arc.nasa.gov (David Chou) Subject: Conversion of OKI 82 to IBM Jerry Black asked about a product from Rainbow Technologies which converted the OKIDATA ML-82/83 to a ML-92...well not quite. The product I have from the company is called PC-Writer and it performs functions similar to a ML-92 converted to support IBM-PC/Epson NLQ and graphics. Generally, the product is good, subject to the limitations of the OKIDATA itself. It also does not always behave exactly like the Epson in specialized functions, but it is close. I have had the card for nearly three years. It consists of a small board which clips over the existing ROMS. At the time it was around $100. I have seen the company sell it for $80 recently. I recommend that you call the company. I called them to iron out some early bugs in the firmware and the people graciously sent me two replacement sets of PROMS. Rainbow Technologies 17972 Skypark Circle Suite E Irvine CA 92714 (714) 261-0228 Dave Chou ncoast!dchou@hal.cwru.edu ------------------------------ Date: 20 Jan 89 13:11:39 GMT From: wilker@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu (Clarence W. Wilkerson Jr.) Subject: Soft-Sector for Northstar Horizon? Advertises in Coimputer Shopper They have Xebec 1420 SASI boards witha a floppy interface for $29 + $8 for manual. The manual to the Adaptec 4000 has a schematic for a SASI host adapter for a S100. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jan 89 05:27:31 GMT From: morris@jade.Berkeley.EDU (Mike Morris) Subject: Soft-Sector for Northstar Horizon? In article <8901200353.AA26732@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> gonzalez@BBN.COM writes: >Well, after a three-month disruption (work and hobbies don't always mix), >I have resumed my search for a C compiler. I've narrowed it down to BDS, >Aztec and Toolworks. I had called Leor Zolman about BDS, and made a most >distressing discovery: he doesn't distribute on hard-sector floppies. >Subsequent examination of the literature from MANX and Software Toolworks >revealed that they can't help me and my DSDD 10-sector drive, either. So, >I guess I *first* need to get a soft-sector drive onto my system. Anyone >remember that cute song about Dear Henry and the bucket? > >Anyway, I am pursuing two solutions. The first is to simply purchase a soft- >sector controller and a drive, and hammer out the driver in Z-80 assembler. >The disadvantage of this is cost: a new Compupro Disk 1B lists for $620. >As the guy who sold me this system concluded, at these prices one is better >off buying a PC clone. So, does anyone know of less expensive boards, or have >one they want to sell? Does it bother anyone else that S-100 boards are >getting more expensive while watches, calculators, VCR's and CD players have >dropped in price? > >The other possibility is to build a SCSI ontroller, as some people on this >list have done, and buy a SCSI drive. Assuming that I can find S-100 format >prototyping boards, this would probably be cheaper. Also, I would relish >getting back to component-level work. Any leads on prototyping boards? >Has anyone on this list, in addition to Doug Braun, done this? > > -Jim. There is another solution - call Workman and Associates in Pasadena, Ca. at 818-791-7979 (BBS: 791-1013) and order BDS from them. One of their services is disk format conversion from (and to) over 350 different formats, including 8", 5 1/4", 3 1/2", CP/M (-80, -86, -68k), MS/PC-DOS, UNIX, Atari, etc, etc, etc. I just got off the phone with Barry Workman, and he has no problem with supplying a copy of the BDS with a second set of North Star 10 sector floppies - in fact he has the media in stock. Let me know if this helps. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ #Include disclaimer.standard #Include quote.cute The opinions above probably do not even come close to those of my employer(s). US Snail: ...............UUCP: .........................Also: Mike Morris .............morris@Jade.JPL.NASA.gov ..... WA6ILQ P.O. Box 1130 Arcadia, Ca. 91006-1130 ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 22-Jan-89 01:39:56-MST,3380;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sun, 22 Jan 89 01:30:35 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #22 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Sun, 22 Jan 89 Volume 89 : Issue 22 Today's Topics: CP/M RAMdisk driver for RamFactor? Fate of Turbo Modula 2 ? Soft-Sector for Northstar Horizon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 22 Jan 89 00:57:55 GMT From: marque!studsys!jetzer@csd1.milw.wisc.edu (jetzer) Subject: CP/M RAMdisk driver for RamFactor? I run CP/M (MicroSoft version 2.23) on an Apple //e, and I have recently added a 256K RamFactor RAMcard (it is currently in slot 7, but this can be changed). Does there exist a driver (preferably public domain) so that I can run the RamFactor as a RAMdisk? (I know AE has a driver for their RamWorks, but don't know of one for the RamFactor.) -- Mike Jetzer "Hack first, ask questions later." ------------------------------ Date: 18 Jan 89 11:30:00 GMT From: mcvax!unido!nixpbe!ugun21!josef@uunet.uu.net Subject: Fate of Turbo Modula 2 ? gonnason@eneli.uucp.UUCP writes: > I was wondering if anyone on USENET knows anything about the fate of >Echelon and/or the Turbo Modula 2 compiler they used to sell. I own a >copy of the compiler for my SB180 (purchased through MicroMint), and it >seems I have another orphan. > Does anyone know who 'owns' the rights to Turbo Modula 2 ??? And, >is it possible to get any information about bug fixes/updates ??? Also, >I'd like to find documentation on the additional two BIOS calls in the >new BIOS version (3.2, ZRDOS version 1.7) that came packaged with the >compiler. It seems the new calls are there for allocating/releasing >unused chunks of the RAM disk, but I can't confirm this. Any ideas? >Please MAIL replies - I'll summarize and post if enough interest is >expressed, but I think this is a low interest topic! 1. As far as I know, Micromit (Vernon, CT: (203) 871-6170) now 'owns' TM-2 (Ref.: Ken Davidson) 2. I use TM-2 on an SB180FX, it allocates-frees RAM disk blocks automatically to load modules into. Josef Moellers paper mail: e-mail: c/o Nixdorf Computer AG USA: uunet!linus!nixbur!mollers.pad Abt. EG-3 !USA: mcvax!unido!nixpbe!mollers.pad Unterer Frankfurter Weg D-4790 Paderborn tel.: (+49) 5251 104691 Standard disclaimer: Blablabla opinion blablabla employer blablabla! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jan 89 22:03:47 EST From: wilker@msb.cc.rochester.edu (CLarence Wilkerson) Subject: Soft-Sector for Northstar Horizon The following got mangled: Computer Surplus Store, which advertises in Byte and Computer Shopper has Xebec 1420 SASI boards which will handle two winchester and two floppies. The price is $29 + $8 for manual(essential). You will also need a SASI-SCSI host adaptor for your computer. This can be pretty dumb. The Adaptec 4000 manual ( also $8 from C.S.S ) has a schematic for a S100 host board. They also sell Apple host adaptors, and JDR sells one for PC's for $50. ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 24-Jan-89 01:42:59-MST,5262;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 24 Jan 89 01:30:17 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #23 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 24 Jan 89 Volume 89 : Issue 23 Today's Topics: STARLINK - an alternative to PC Pursuit Where is Ron Murray, author of ZMP? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1989 00:55 MST From: Keith Petersen Subject: STARLINK - an alternative to PC Pursuit The following is provided "as-is" for its informational value. It is from a file that was recently uploaded to my BBS. I cannot answer questions as I have no connection with this service. --Keith Petersen ---cut-here--- STARLINK is an alternative to PC Pursuit. You can call 91 cities in 28 states during off-peak hours (7pm-6am and all weekend) for $1.50 per hour. All connections through the Tymnet network are 2400 bps (1200 bps works too) with no surcharge and there are no maximum hours or other limitations. There is a one time charge of $50 to signup and a $10 per month account maintenance fee. High volume users may elect to pay a $25 per month maintenance fee and $1.00 per hour charge. The service is operated by Galaxy Telecomm in Virginia Beach, VA and users may sign up for the service by modem at 804-495-INFO. You will get 30 minutes free access time after signing up. This is a service of Galaxy and not TYMNET. Galaxy buys large blocks of hours from TYMNET. To find out what your local access number is you can call TYMNET at (800) 336-0149 24 hours per day. Don't ask them questions about rates, etc., as they don't know. Call Galaxy instead. Galaxy says they will soon have their own 800 number for signups and information. The following is a listing of the major cities covered. There are others that are a local call from the ones listed. Eastern Time Zone Connecticut Bloomfield Hartford Stamford Florida Fort Lauderdale Jacksonville Longwood Miami Orlando Tampa Georgia Atlanta Doraville Marietta Norcross Indiana Indianapolis Maryland Baltimore Massachusetts Boston Cambridge New Jersey Camden Englewood Cliffs Newark Pennsauken Princeton South Brunswick New York Albany Buffalo Melville New York Pittsford Rochester White Plains North Carolina Charlotte Ohio Akron Cincinnati Cleveland Columbus Dayton Pennsylvania Philadelphia Pittsburgh Rhode Island Providence Virginia Alexandria Arlington Fairfax Midlothian Norfolk Portsmouth Central Time Zone Alabama Birmingham Illinois Chicago Glen Ellyn Kansas Wichita Michigan Detroit Minnesota Minneapolis St. Paul Missouri Bridgeton Independence Kansas City St. Louis Nebraska Omaha Oklahoma Oklahoma City Tulsa Tennessee Memphis Nashville Texas Arlington Dallas Fort Worth Houston San Antonio Wisconsin Brookfield Milwaukee Mountain Time Zone Arizona Mesa Phoenix Tucson Colorado Aurora Boulder Denver Pacific Time Zone California Alhambra Anaheim El Segundo Long Beach Newport Beach Oakland Pasadena Pleasanton Sacramento San Francisco San Jose Sherman Oaks Vernon Walnut Creek Washington Bellevue Seattle STARLINK is a service of Galaxy Telecomm Division, GTC, Inc., the publishers of BBS Telecomputing News, Galaxy Magazine and other electronic publications. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Jan 89 21:11:34 GMT From: hpfcdc!hpldola!hp-lsd!was@hplabs.hp.com (Bill Stubblebine) Subject: Where is Ron Murray, author of ZMP? Recently I installed ZMP on my Ampro Z80 LB+. ZMP is a ZMODEM program for CP/M, and can be found in the SIMTEL20 archives. ZMP works great for 9600 baud binary file transfers on channels with ^S/^Q flow control, but the terminal portion of the program seems to drop characters at 9600 baud. I'd like to try speeding up the terminal portion so I can use it for interactive work as well. I would like very much to get in touch with Ron Murray, author of ZMP. The only address I found for Ron was this one in the ZMP doc file: Ron Murray Z-Node 62 Perth, Western Australia (061+) 09-450-0200 Would anyone having an e-mail or postal address for Ron (or Ron, if you're reading this) please respond to one of the addresses below. Thanks. Bill Stubblebine 8245 N. Union Blvd. Colorado Springs, CO 80918 was%hp-lsd@hplabs.hp.com (Internet) ...!hplabs!hp-lsd!was (UUCP) (719) 590-5568 ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 25-Jan-89 01:48:23-MST,5319;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 25 Jan 89 01:30:27 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #24 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Wed, 25 Jan 89 Volume 89 : Issue 24 Today's Topics: Archives Comm-Ex User's Manual Needed Help: Morrow MT-70 terminal Intertec Kermit Redirection of printer output--a thank you Sinclair ZX-8x Keyboard Upgrades UUCP Gateway ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jan 89 09:11:18 GMT From: Paul Clayson Subject: Archives I know how to get PD: files from the Simtel20 archives via Listserv and Trickle machines on Bitnet, but how can I get at the PS: files mentioned in the file INFOCPM LIST from Listserv@Finhutc.Bitnet? Also, does anyone use JRT Pascal and know ways to... 1 - Write to the printer and 2 - Produce stand-alone .COM files from .INT files? Thanks for any help, Paul Clayson PC3@UKACRL.BITNET PC3@IB.RL.AC.UK ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jan 89 16:19:50 GMT From: thos@gargoyle.uchicago.edu (Tom Barron) Subject: Comm-Ex User's Manual Needed I am posting this request for David McCracken, a reporter for the Chicago Tribune, who owns a Morrow Micro-Decision and a communications software package called Comm-Ex. He lacks a manual for the latter and the manufacturer is out of business. If anyone has such a manual and is willing to help please send me mail (I'm not a regular reader of this group though it does my heart good to see that it's so active.) Thanks in advance, Tom Barron internet: thos@cs.uchicago.edu Computer Science thos@gargoyle.uchicago.edu University of Chicago bitnet thos%gargoyle@uchimvs1.bitnet (312) 702-8850 uucp ...uunet!gargoyle.uchicago.edu!thos ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jan 89 15:39:56 GMT From: mentor.cc.purdue.edu!ad2@purdue.edu (Bill Bormann) Subject: Help: Morrow MT-70 terminal An odd series of events has delivered to me a Morrow MD-5 system with a Morrow MT-70 terminal. The terminal looks rather interesting, but I have zero (0) documentation on the device, so I am in the dark as to the escape sequences used to control it. I'd be grateful if anyone reading this newsgroup could point me to a source of documentation for this terminal, or a public domain program (with source) that exercises MT-70 features. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jan 89 22:53:59 IST From: "Jacques J. Goldberg" Subject: Intertec Kermit IF your machine is a SUPERBRAIN, and IF your STAT shows the diskette to have 180 kbytes capacity, j{ust send me by e-mail your snailmail address, I will send you what you need (KERMIT, as you know, means free). Sorry, can't push your e-mail address into my IBM mainframe mailer. DOn't miss the tw{o ZEROES of phr00jg in my own address. Jacq{ues PS: terminal emulator. {I have written for myself an ADM 3A emulator on t{he Superbrain, and will add it. It's Ok for work wi{th Unix and IBM 7171 systems. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jan 89 08:25:43 CST From: "Craig Pepmiller" Subject: Redirection of printer output--a thank you Most gracious thanks to David Goodenough at (?) Xerox. He sent me the HEX and source for a small utility called REDIR that did just what was needed. David--no modifications were needed, so your code is at least fairly generic. I have tried to thank you directly but haven't been able to work out the return path. Thanks again. Thanks to the net and CP/Mers in general, this is truly a wise and generous list! Craig Pepmiller Computing Services University of Missouri--Columbia ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jan 89 07:20:51 PST From: secrist%msdsws.DEC@decwrl.dec.com (Richard Secrist, DEC U.S.) Subject: Sinclair ZX-8x Keyboard Upgrades Does anyone have any success stories of upgrading their Sinclair ZX-8n keyboards to "real" ones ? I have a close-hardware-cousin Forth machine (Jupiter Ace) who needs a similar procedure. Thanks, rcs ------------------------------ Date: Mon 24 Jan 1989 13:50:50 EDT From: Subject: UUCP Gateway I have recently tried to send return mail to people with addresses like xxx%yyy.uucp@RELAY.CS.NET. All these messages have been bounced. Does anyone know what is wrong with this address or, if there is nothing wrong, what else I might try to get the messages through. Thanks. Jay Sage ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 27-Jan-89 10:58:57-MST,3784;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 27 Jan 89 01:30:46 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #25 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 27 Jan 89 Volume 89 : Issue 25 Today's Topics: HLL Access to the Z Environment ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed 26 Jan 1989 12:31:21 EDT From: Subject: HLL Access to the Z Environment Dave Goodman responded to my earlier message on this subject. >> But the present system is really, with all due respect to Jay, a kludge, >> albeit an ingenious one. When ZCPR 3.0 was written, the Cp/m world was >> stuck with the Digital Research bdos, so another way had to found to >> transfer the ENV address to a transient program. Z3INS was the answer; >> and under ZCPR 3.3/3.4 Jay ingeniously converted the original >> installation system to an auto-install system. >> Now, however, we have alternatives to the Digital Research bdos, and one >> or the other of these alternatives are probably going to be used on most >> up to date systems. We expect to be able use calls such as #27 (return >> ALLOC address), #31 (return DPB address); what is conceptually different >> about call #nn (return ENV address)? I thought that this was what I was suggesting. At the moment there is no such support in the DOSs. Adding another full function call, while nice, may entail too great a penalty in the code. The new DOSs already have new function calls to identify themselves, and I was suggesting the possibility that this new call could be modified to serve as the GETENV function as well. This was just a way to keep the code shorter. NZCOM makes it easy to allocate space for an expanded DOS, but doing so entails risks, since there are quite a number of programs that make use of the standard sizes defined by Digital Research. We probably will soon be playing with DOSs and CCPs that are larger than standard. I realized that few HLLs would allow one to get control of the code before they obliterate the contents of the HL register pair. In any case, however, the patch required to capture the value in HL is quite a lot easier to implement than one that has to simulate a full Z3 header on the program. In fact, it seems almost trivial except for figuring out where to store the address so the program can find it later. Perhaps the ENV address could be put in the word at 101H and the byte at 100H changed to C9H (RET) to prevent catastrophic reexecution using the GO command. This would be system independent (unlike trying to use some area in page 0). But I don't know much about the inner structure of HLL programs, so there may be obvious answers (or problems) that I am ignorant of. I cannot go into any details at this time, but there is a good chance that sometime this year a version of a popular high level language with integral support for Z-System features will be released commercially. If anyone has any suggestions as to what features they would like to see supported, please let me know. Obviously the ENV address will be available. The next item on my list was support for DIR: (named directory) references in all file and directory specifications. Access to TCAP functions (via a standard Z library) would be desirable also. Have I missed any important functions that must be built into the main compiler code (and could not be handled by a function library)? Thanks for any input you can offer. -- Jay Sage ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 28-Jan-89 01:48:52-MST,11944;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sat, 28 Jan 89 01:30:30 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #26 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Sat, 28 Jan 89 Volume 89 : Issue 26 Today's Topics: Amstrad Disks mex & downloading files Osborne I malady pallio / pappio RCP/M Royal Oak status Subsrciption Rates for The Computer Journal Thanks on UUCP Help UZI Utilities ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu 27 Jan 1989 10:50:06 EDT From: Subject: Amstrad Disks A short while back someone asked about the capacity of diskettes on the Amstrad computer. I have a PCW512 with one single-sided double-density drive and one double-sided quad-density drive. Diskettes formatted for the former hold 173K (and both sides can be used, giving a total of 346K on the physical diskette). This morning, when I made these measurements, I could not find an empty quad diskette. A quick estimate (formed by trying -- after only three hours' sleep last night and without a calculator -- to add the space free to the space occupied in several user areas as shown by SDZ) gave a value of just over 700K. One would expect roughly 2 x 346 = 692, but there is some additional space as a result of fewer system tracks. If the person asking this question needs an exact figure, I would be happy to make a more careful measurement. -- Jay Sage ------------------------------ Date: Fri Jan 27 09:13:59 1989 From: rr2g@watt.acc.virginia.edu Subject: mex & downloading files OK, thanks guys for all your help with the Profiles dilemma. Now I've got another problem. It'll probably seem quite silly to all you cp/m experts out there but I need to know how to download a file from a bbs. I'm using a Kaypro 2X running cp/m 2.2g (no upgrades have been done here :-) )with an Anchor Automation Signalman Mark XII modem. I'm using MEX 112 as my communications software. Here's the scenario: I logged onto the KUGROS (Kaypro BBS) and I moved around to the area that I wanted (By the way I don't just have a problem with this bbs it's that I DON'T KNOW what I'm doing!!) The prompt is "To DOWNLOAD A FILE enter FILENAME.EXT or 1 to 11" The numbers corresponding to a specific file. The xmodem protocol is set on my version of mex and on the bbs so of course I enter the number corresponding to the file I want to download and the bbs gives me a msg that the file is ready to be downloaded and it's waiting for me to give it something. My question is WHAT am I supposed to do here? The GENIE system says something about starting a receive file. Is that the same as turning on capture mode? If so how long does it take for something to look like it's happing? I need step by step info here - you're explaining it to someone who's about to pull her hair out. I tried changing the protocol to xonxoff (which according to the documentation on the bbs is for simple ASCII text transfers) and boom I can download the file with no problem both ascii and binary files, but when I get to trying to run the files, for example unarc.com, it will not run. What's the problem? I am totally confused and the documentation I have on MEX112 either isn't complete or it wasn't written to be a step by step tutorial for the COMPLETE NOVICE. I know I probably should have learned all this stuff a LONG time ago (when cp/m was the in os) but I never had the interest (bad term). If someone has some simple (and I really mean simple) documentation they could send me I'd REALLY appreciate it or if you could explain downloading to me so that I can understand it I'd appeciate that also. As I said it's not the bbs it's just my lack of knowledge on the subject. I had the same problem on GENIE. Right now I'm using the university computer system - an AT&T 3b15 and it's so much easier to ftp from sites than to download from a bbs. You just find the file you want and say "get fn.ft" and in a few minutes you have it. Of course I'm using procomm, I guess it's kermit protocol(?), and I'm connected to the LAN. Can life be that simple using my kaypro2x? I really would like it to be. I too have considered changing from cp/m to dos but I've found out that there's so much software out there that it's not necessary for me to do so -- if I can just get to it, DOWNLOAD it, and make it work. Hey I'm trying. I've had the KAYPRO business pak since late '84 or early '85 and I'm just starting to see what awaits me through the use of my modem. I just learned how to connect to a bbs over the Christmas holiday. (OK quit laughing) Well I guess this just about covers it this go round. Thanks in advance for all your help and advice. You really don't know how much I appreciate it. -- ============================================================================== # A day at work is not like a day in paradise !!! # # # # # Rhonda Ragland # University of Virginia # # Internet: rr2g@virginia.edu # Applied Mechanics Program # # Bitnet: rr2g@virginia.bitnet # Charlottesville, VA 22903 # # UUCP: ...!uunet!virginia!watt!rr2g # (804) 924-6265 # ============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jan 89 16:11:00 GMT From: uxg.cso.uiuc.edu!uxa.cso.uiuc.edu!lmhg0369@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Osborne I malady I have an Osborne I SS/DD 80-col mod. computer that I'm not using very much, and one of the reasons is because it has a habit of munching sectors about once an hour (when it writes to disk, of course). More often than not, it does it to the directory. Have any of you Ozzie owners come across this sort of thing in the past? I'm wondering if it's going to cost much $$$ to get it fixed. Yes, I've already cleaned the heads. It happens with both drives, so my guess is that it's not any moving parts. And it does it regardless of how long it's been running. And yes, I have the Executive fan installed. --------------------------------------- L. Haskins -- lmhg0369@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jan 89 21:04:18 GMT From: ima!cfisun!lakart!dg@decvax.dec.com (David Goodenough) Subject: pallio / pappio Apologies to all that are not interested, but I don't know how else to get this out. I only just caught this, but in the uucp summary I saw the following line under outgoing mail from other sites: >From: xait!uucp To: pappio!dg If you tried to reach me at pappio!dg and got bounced, try pallio!dg -- dg@lakart.UUCP - David Goodenough +---+ IHS | +-+-+ ....... !harvard!xait!lakart!dg +-+-+ | AKA: dg%lakart.uucp@xait.xerox.com +---+ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1989 01:28 MST From: Keith Petersen Subject: RCP/M Royal Oak status In answer to several inquiries... RCP/M Royal Oak should be back on-line soon after having its hard disk repaired. Bob Clyne and I had to pay for the repair out of our own pockets as we have received no support since it was announced that we needed it. --keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu 27 Jan 1989 10:50:44 EDT From: Subject: Subsrciption Rates for The Computer Journal Although I posted a similar message not very long ago, I am still getting questions about the subscription rates for The Computer Journal (TCJ). Also, I have now talked to Art Carlson, the publisher, and have learned that my overseas rates were not entirely correct. 1 YEAR 2 YEARS ------ ------- United States $16 $28 Canada $22 $42 Surface Foreign $24 Air to Europe $32 Air to Elsewhere $38 I did not ask Art Carlson about two-year rates outside the US and Canada. The figures might be a bit daunting anyway! I should add that a one-year subscription means six issues. Subscriptions can be ordered by writing or calling: The Computer Journal 190 Sullivan Crossroad Columbia Falls, MT 59912 (that's Montana!) 406-257-9119 TCJ accepts checks, MasterCard, and VISA. For those who might be interested, here is an abstract of the table of contents of the Jan/Feb 89 issue, which just came out. Information Engineering by C. Thomas Hilton The first part of a series on using the information in our databases. Modula-2 by Dave Moore, Alex Pournelle, and Barry Workman Good reference books are hard to locate. This list will help you find the ones you need. Temperature Measurement and Control by Matthew K. Rogoyski An inexpensive, automated temperature measuring interface for agricultural applications of computers. ZCPR3 Corner by Jay Sage Z Systems Associates, Z-Nodes, Z-Plan for computer clubs, Amstrad computer, and ZFILER. Real Computing by Richard Rodman National Semiconductor NS32032, hardware for the experimenter, CPUs in the series, and software options. SPRINT by C. Thomas Hilton This may be the best choice for a professional word processor. ZCPR3's Named Shell Variables by Rick Charnes Using shell variables and the shell stack. REL-Style Assembly Language for CP/M and Z-System by Bruce Morgen Part 2: Segments, EXTRN, and relieving programming drudgery. Advanced CP/M by Bridger Mitchell Environmental programming and a tale of too hasty system design. In addition, there is an editorial column, a letters column, and "The Computer Corner" by Bill Kibler. ------------------------------ Date: Thu 27 Jan 1989 11:08:38 EDT From: Subject: Thanks on UUCP Help Thanks to all who helped me with the linkage from ARPA Net to UUCP. Here are some of the suggestions I received for replacing a return address like "xxx%yyy.uucp@RELAY.CS.NET". xxx%yyy.uucp@uunet.uu.net This was the address that was recommended most frequently. I have been using it, and it seems to be working. xxx%yyy.uucp@rutgers.edu Rutgers, I was told, has some responsibility for UUCP and thus should be able to handle the routing. xxx%yyy.uucp@ukc.ac.uk This was recommended for connection to Great Britain. Some otheres were: xxx%yyy.uucp@ucbvax.berkeley.edy xxx%yyy.uucp@harvard.harvard.edu xxx%yyy.uucp@xait.xerox.com xxx%yyy.uucp@cfisun.cfi.com -- Jay Sage ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jan 89 16:07:33 GMT From: mailrus!sharkey!cfctech!rphroy!pte!car@csd4.milw.wisc.edu (Chris Rende) Subject: UZI Utilities I missed the UZI utilities that were recently posted. Could someone please mail them to me? Thanks, car. -- Christopher A. Rende Multics,DTSS,Shortwave,Scanners,StarTrek uunet!edsews!{rphroy!}pte!car Minix,PC/XT,TRS-80 Model I: Buy Sell Trade ...!mcf!pte!car Precise Technology & Electronics, Inc. ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 30-Jan-89 01:49:09-MST,1276;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 30 Jan 89 01:31:02 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #27 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 30 Jan 89 Volume 89 : Issue 27 Today's Topics: anon ftp site for commodore 128 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 29 Jan 89 18:23:23 GMT From: loligo!perrone@pyr.gatech.edu (Perrone Ford) Subject: anon ftp site for commodore 128 Hello, Iam tryingto find an anon. FTP sight for some cpm software to be used on a commodore 128. It is kaypro compatible. Also, What would be the best way to transmit the software to him. he is at a remote site (via modem) and Iam on a SUN 3/60. We have a PC connected to our ethernet that has a dial out modem... and we also have a dial up to an mdi that can connec ...connect to the sun...although i don't know if we can pass data over it....in a binary form.... Thanx....I'll be watching. Perrone Ford (sys. anal. Florida State U. Computing Center) ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ****************************** 31-Jan-89 01:38:36-MST,3362;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 31 Jan 89 01:30:08 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V89 #28 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 31 Jan 89 Volume 89 : Issue 28 Today's Topics: Address correction for Royal Oak support Fast IIe 80 col. driver patched Wanted -- info about '82 Zeda ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1989 01:24 MST From: Keith Petersen Subject: Address correction for Royal Oak support I have received several messages saying that mail addressed to the Royal Oak Support Fund was returned by the post office as undeliverable. This problem was caused by the fact that we are sharing the box with another BBS and I neglected to include a "care of" line in the address. Sorry for the inconvenience this caused. Here is the correct address: RCP/M Royal Oak Support Fund c/o Detroit Download Central P.O. Box 36238 Detroit, MI 48236 Please make checks payable to me because the system does not have a bank account of its own. Thanks! --Keith Petersen Co-SysOp, RCP/M Royal Oak ------------------------------ Date: 30 Jan 89 10:25:23 GMT From: uop!mrapple@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Nick Sayer) Subject: Fast IIe 80 col. driver patched For those of you with enhanced //e's (or equiv) that run CP/M, you may remember that when using the PCPI "Fast //e 80 col" driver, you get mousetext when reverse video is displayed. I have patched this driver to properly handle enhanced //e's and the mousetext has been banished. On the down side, you can't send a ctrl-X to get the mousetext as you could without the driver. Also, (at least on the IIgs) I can't tell the difference between having the driver working and not having it. But that's not my department. Anyone who wants the revised "New" fast 2e driver, just give me a shout. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Nick Sayer | Packet Radio: N6QQQ @ WB6V-2 | Fido: 161/31 uucp: ...!sdcsvax!ucbvax!ucdavis!uop!mrapple Disclaimer: "The BBC would like to appologize for that last announcement." cat flames > /dev/null ------------------------------ Date: 30 Jan 89 22:09:29 GMT From: netnews.upenn.edu!eniac.seas.upenn.edu!levene@rutgers.edu (Robert A. Levene) Subject: Wanted -- info about '82 Zeda Hello, CPM world. I just got (for free; its monitor is flaky) a Zeda CPM computer. Its circuit board says it's from 1982, and the owner, who didn't want to fix it, says it's a CPM machine. However, I have no software for it, nor have I any idea what version of CPM it uses. Description follows: It has a full keyboard, keypad, monitor, 2 full-height 5 1/4" floppies. (It resembles a TRS-80 Model 3) Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Sincerely, Rob Levene -- Robert A. Levene Moore School of Electrical Engineering Kappa Alpha Society University of Pennsylvania Internet: levene@eniac.seas.upenn.edu Philadelphia, PA ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest ******************************