3-Dec-90 01:50:36-MST,4937;000000000000 Mail-From: W8SDZ created at 3-Dec-90 00:56:53 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 3 Dec 90 00:56:52 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #195 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901203005653.V90N195@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 3 Dec 90 Volume 90 : Issue 195 Today's Topics: Hard drive for Kaypro II? (2 msgs) PD Z80-crosscompilers QTERM for XEROX pc's (????) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 28 Nov 90 20:51:08 GMT From: sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!uflorida!mailer.cc.fsu.edu!prism!tynor@ucsd.edu (Steve Tynor) Subject: Hard drive for Kaypro II? Message-ID: <17731@hydra.gatech.EDU> Can anyone tell me if/how I can put a 10 or 20M hard drive on a Kaypro II? Is there a (relatively) inexpensive way to do this? I can probably find a cheap (used) PC hard drive, but I'm sure that the CP/M / MessyDOS controllers are incompatible... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Eiffel: Accept no substitutes Steve Tynor Georgia Tech Research Institute Artificial Intelligence Branch tynor@prism.gatech.edu ------------------------------ Date: 29 Nov 90 10:15:45 GMT From: csusac!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Ian Justman) Subject: Hard drive for Kaypro II? Message-ID: tynor@prism.gatech.EDU (Steve Tynor) writes: > Can anyone tell me if/how I can put a 10 or 20M hard drive on a Kaypro II? I > there a (relatively) inexpensive way to do this? I can probably find a cheap > (used) PC hard drive, but I'm sure that the CP/M / MessyDOS controllers are > incompatible... You're mistaken there, if the Kaypro in question has a TurboROM (as I've heard). All that it need to have is an ST-506 interface, and you have to do a little of jumpering (the only one I can think of is drive select) and let your formatting/BIOS software take their respective courses. I know a few friends who have donw just what you've described ("PC drives"? They're all the same. In fact, the two Quantum Q540's on my PC came the other direction; from a pair of CP/M-type machines (actually Concurrent DOS, no relation to the MeSsy variety)) > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Eiffel: Accept no substitutes In this case, there is no such thing as a "substitute" for there is no such thing as a "CP/M drive" and a "PC drive". As long as they speak MFM through an ST-506 controller, you'll be fine (provided you have the right firm-/software). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 90 18:11:21 GMT From: J Jackson Subject: PD Z80-crosscompilers Message-ID: <16458.9011301811@csunb0.dcs.leeds.ac.uk> > > CUG276 & CUG292 are C sources of Assemblers for the Z80 and 64180. > You can obtain them thru the C User's Group, or I can Email them to you. > They are PD and have been run thru a number of compilers already. It's > easy to select which to compile for since all you have to do is uncomment > a define which selects your flavor of C. Although I've had trouble with > the 6805 assembler under Aztec CII 1.05 (still am struggling) > Your compiler needs calloc() which mine don't have!!! Also, I have to > define void as int type and rename getc & putc to agetc & aputc. . . .. > > etc. > > Ronn > > Ronn, don't seem to be able to Email you direct - sorry to rest for the waste of bandwidth - can you Email me the C source for the Z80 compiler? cheers ======================================================================= Jim Jackson Email : School of Computer Studies UK - JANET : jj@uk.ac.leeds.dcs Leeds University Internet : jj@dcs.leeds.ac.uk Leeds LS2 9JT UK Phone : +44 532 335451 ======================================================================= Opinions! What Opinions? I just wield the brush round here. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 90 17:37 CDT From: Subject: QTERM for XEROX pc's (????) I have been trying for quite a while with no positive results to patch QTERM onmy XEROX 16/8 (820-II compatible). Does anyone have a working copy on their xerox machine? Or any other vt100 emulator for that matter? I use a hayes 1200..... ANY help would be much appreciated.. I intend to use it (QTERM) for emulating a vax/vms system. THANX!! Scott Huggins ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #195 ************************************* 5-Dec-90 03:18:30-MST,6818;000000000000 Mail-From: W8SDZ created at 5-Dec-90 03:05:40 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 5 Dec 90 03:05:39 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #196 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901205030540.V90N196@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Wed, 5 Dec 90 Volume 90 : Issue 196 Today's Topics: BD Software C Compiler Files Help with Z37 controller in a Heath Z89 knowledge needed! Reply to Big Board II SIMTEL20 disk space ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 4 Dec 90 08:49:04 GMT From: mcsun!unido!uniol!Christian.Stelter@uunet.uu.net (Christian Stelter) Subject: BD Software C Compiler Files Message-ID: <3944@uniol.UUCP> Hi friends of CP/M ! I am looking for some files of the BD Software C-Compiler, because a friend of mine has a defective version of these files. If you still have got this Compiler or a hint where to find them, so please E-Mail me ! -- **************************************************************************** * Christian Stelter CS Student, TeXer, etc. UNI OLDENBURG GERMANY * * UUCP: Christian.Stelter@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de * * Home: Christian Stelter, Pommersche Str.8, D-2940 Wilhelmshaven * **************************************************************************** received data 909 bytes 1.27 secs ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 90 03:34:51 GMT From: shlump.nac.dec.com!krypton.arc.nasa.gov!opalka@decuac.dec.com (Bill Opalka 603-881-1224) Subject: Help with Z37 controller in a Heath Z89 Message-ID: <17819@shlump.nac.dec.com> Can anybody tell me what the jumpers mean on a Z37 floppy disk controller board for a Heath Z-89 computer. Thanks, /Bill ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 90 20:34:25 GMT From: sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu!ephillip%magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu@ucsd.edu (Earl W Phillips) Subject: knowledge needed! Message-ID: I have been reading this newsgroup for a couple of weeks now, and I am surprised at the level of knowledge shown here! I have acquired 2 CP/M systems, and I now currently use a Xerox 820-II system, with 2 8" floppy drives. Here's my question, and please everyone, keep the answers SIMPLE, as I have NO previous computer experience (which is why people gave me the cp/m systems, I believe) and I also don't seem to be very smart about learning computers, either. Anyway, I also have 2 other, functional, 8" floppy drives in a metal tray, which I would like to have hooked up to the currently functioning cpu, so that I have a 4-drive system, AND so that the system know that it has 4 drives accessible (c&d drives?) BTW, I also have another cpu for the xerox that I can put the working floppy drives in, if necessary. I have no idea if this is possible, but it sems to me logical that one should be able to have a functional 4-drive system that knows itself, at least from what I've been reading here recently. Any (simple) ideas? Help! ephillips@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu -EP- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 90 09:01:43 PST From: rzh@icf.llnl.gov (R. Hanscom) Subject: Reply to Big Board II Message-ID: <9012031701.AA16292@icf.llnl.gov.llnl.gov> In <1990Dec2.045012.25373@techbook.com> fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes: > by the by, i have a question regarding 8 inch floppies on ibm >clones. uniform is very handy in formatting oddball disk formats, >but i was wondering if it is possible to use an 8 inch drive on an >AT floppy controller to format and read 8 inch formats?? Check out Emerald in Oregon. They carry the "Compaticard" which is a PC compatible disk controller. I don't have one, but they appear to handle 8" drives on a PC, although I believe the ads say that the AT will not boot from an 8" drive (that may not be a big deal!). They are not cheap, but seem to answer your needs. [Emerald advertises in a number of publications. I've seen their ads in Circuit Cellar Ink] roger rzh@phoenix.ocf.llnl.gov icf!rzh@lll-winken.llnl.gov ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 1990 22:02 MST From: "Frank J. Wancho" Subject: SIMTEL20 disk space Message-ID: Due to a scheduling problem for the construction of the required room expansion to house the recently procured disk drives, there will be an unexpected three-to-four-month delay in the installation of the drives. This delay prompted some drastic action to make more long overdue disk space available to the ever-growing collections on SIMTEL20 after more than two years of managing saturated capacity. After consultation with our advisors, the PC/Blue collection was taken offline, to be restored when the new drives are online, together with nearly 100 new volumes currently waiting for disk space to become available. This decision was based on the fact that the existing MSDOS and MSDOS2 collections represent a majority of the same files contained in the PC/Blue collection and are generally newer versions (without the overhead of keeping older versions, due to the release scheme used by the PC/Blue Librarian). Because of the disproportionate amount of space freed up by removing the PC/Blue collection from PD1: (about half the capacity of PD1:), several collections were moved from PD2: and PD3: to PD1:, and from PD3: to PD2:: PD2: -> PD1: (the subdirs will be moved to PD1: PD3: -> PD1: PD3: -> PD1: PD3: -> PD2: PD3: -> PD2: Now, all MSDOS and related collections are on PD1: and all CP/M and related collections are together on PD2:. The Unix-C and Ada collections will compete for the remain space on PD2:, while the Macintosh collection will compete for space on PD3: with the system support and documentation files. Note: PD3: also contains a mirror of the corresponding collections from NIC.DDN.MIL, namely all RFCs in RFC:, most of the NETINFO: files, all DDN-NEWS: files. We hope this temporary inconvenience will be offset by the value and availability of many new current releases we have been unable to provide until now. --Frank ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #196 ************************************* 5-Dec-90 21:58:34-MST,20844;000000000000 Mail-From: W8SDZ created at 5-Dec-90 21:39:58 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 5 Dec 90 21:39:57 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #197 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901205213958.V90N197@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Wed, 5 Dec 90 Volume 90 : Issue 197 Today's Topics: 820-II disk addons AMSTRAD CPC Harddisk and CPC User Group Munich Dynabyte CP/M system - HELP! (2 msgs) INTTERM - Problems on my KP2-84 Kaypro II communications at high baud rates knowledge needed! [4 drives on a Xerox 820-II] Obtaining the Tandon TM848-2 (was:Re: Reply to Big Board II)7 Reply to Big Board II Strange Kaypro problems (2 msgs) System use of Z80 registers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 5 Dec 90 13:35 CDT From: "Arun Baheti " Subject: 820-II disk addons You can use the "Xerox" method of daisy chaining; this is pretty much built into your system and would just require attaching the extra 8" Shugart unit up to the back of your current drives and setting the approproate swicthes on the controller card (I think!). Other than that, I'm not sure what you might do to add drives to the system, but I'm sure its possible. You might try calling Mitch Mlinar's BBS in Torrance, CA for information, or if you can't reach it leave me a message and I will help you track down some software. --ab ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 90 20:09:14 GMT From: csus.edu!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ira.uka.de!smurf!subnet.sub.net!altger!doitcr!jungkunz@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Helmut Jungkunz) Subject: AMSTRAD CPC Harddisk and CPC User Group Munich Message-ID: <1547@doitcr.doit.sub.org> Ewen writes : Article 1268 of comp.os.cpm: From: ewen@actrix.gen.nz (Ewen McNeill) Subject: Re: Amstrad CPC Harddisk Summary: Z system interesting. Will send for disks. Keywords: Amstrad CPC Harddisk HD Public Domain Date: 30 Nov 90 21:12:49 GMT > Z3PLUS looks very interesting. I am considering purchasing it, but I don't know that I can afford it at the moment. Here's the vendor of the harddisk used by more than 50 people with great pleasure: Dobbertin Elektronik GmbH, Brahmsstr. 4, D-6835 Bruehl, Germany Tel. 06202 / 71417 They also provide a patch for the silicon disk operation ROM, since there is a hardware error (slight) in the device itself. He wanted to know the price. In Germany, the price is 1100.-- DM including 14 \% VAT. This is normally not included in export business. So the VAT rate of your own country has to be added here on top of the net price. Also, one should consider shipping cost and customs. This means, that a collective order will help to bring down freight expenses. So for those interested in more info, here the FAX number of DOBBERTIN GMBlpH 06202 75509 (I hope this is correct, check carrier tone!) Referring to sending P.D. empty disks: Should I send disks which are designed for 360K (IBM style) or 1.2M (IBM style)? My thought is the first, because I have formatted them to 800K before without problems. There are sometimes problems with the others. Please only use standard disks. I do prefer 1.2 MB, this will be approximately 20 Disks. Again: Yes- this is the right address! Schneider/Amstrad CPC User Group Munich c/o Helmut Jungkunz Zacherlstr. 14 D-8045 Ismaning Thank you for the offer. I will gather together the necessary disks, and send them off to you later this month. -- (Ewen McNeill. Email: ewen@actrix.gen.nz Okay, till then! Ciao, -> Helmut Jungkunz <- ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 90 19:45:05 GMT From: usc!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!emory!hubcap!ncrcae!ncr-sd!simasd!simasd!pnet07!donm@apple.com (Don Maslin) Subject: Dynabyte CP/M system - HELP! Message-ID: <1990Dec5.194505.2792@simasd.uucp> cs202101@umbc5.umbc.edu writes: > >Recently I acquired a CP/M system made by a company called Dynabyte, >this system is a Dynabyte model 5200; unfortunately, instead of using >standard format 8" disks, it uses 5-1/4" floppies which appear to use a >format which is incompatible with that of any other CP/M systems that I >know of. In addition, to make matters more difficult, there were no >communications, or file transfer, programs on any of the diskettes which >came with the system. I was going to attempt writing a com program for it, >but it appears to have a non-standard UART (I'm guessing that this chip >is the UART, since there are two of these chips on the CPU card and they >appear to be connected to the serial port connectors); the chips in question >have TMS 5550 marked on them (if I recall correctly from when I had the >CPU card removed from the system). There is an overlay for NightOwl Softwares MEX communication software for the Dynabyte DB 8/1. The overlay is designated MXO-DB10.ASM, and should be on many BBS that handle CP/M stuff along with the PD MEX114.LBR package. If the overlay is not directly applicable, it should at least be similar. > >Is there anyone out there who is familiar with this system, its UARTS, >or who has any ideas about how to get a communications and file transfer >program set up and running on this system? Thanks in advance for any >information. > If it would be useful, I can send you a uuencoded package called BOOTSTRP.LBR which contains a couple of approaches to overcoming the initial 'no-comm' hurdle. - don Keeper of the CP/M System Disk | UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm Archives for the Dino(saur)SIG | ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil - San Diego Computer Society - | INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 90 07:29:06 GMT From: haven!umbc3!umbc5.umbc.edu!cs202101@ames.arc.nasa.gov Subject: Dynabyte CP/M system - HELP! Message-ID: <4618@umbc3.UMBC.EDU> Recently I acquired a CP/M system made by a company called Dynabyte, this system is a Dynabyte model 5200; unfortunately, instead of using standard format 8" disks, it uses 5-1/4" floppies which appear to use a format which is incompatible with that of any other CP/M systems that I know of. In addition, to make matters more difficult, there were no communications, or file transfer, programs on any of the diskettes which came with the system. I was going to attempt writing a com program for it, but it appears to have a non-standard UART (I'm guessing that this chip is the UART, since there are two of these chips on the CPU card and they appear to be connected to the serial port connectors); the chips in question have TMS 5550 marked on them (if I recall correctly from when I had the CPU card removed from the system). Is there anyone out there who is familiar with this system, its UARTS, or who has any ideas about how to get a communications and file transfer program set up and running on this system? Thanks in advance for any information. Robert Douglas Davis # Is reality real? Can you prove it? cs202101@umbc5.umbc.edu # Can you write an algorythm to prove it? Home: +1-301-744-7964 # Do you have a computer fast enough to compute it? BBS: +1-301-788-6663 # ---> REAL Education: The Benny Hill Show! ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 90 15:59:50 GMT From: ico!mikeod@handies.ucar.edu (Mike O'Donnel) Subject: INTTERM - Problems on my KP2-84 Message-ID: <1990Dec5.155950.22108@ico.isc.com> Thanks to the help of some fine netters I just got my hand on a copy of INTTERM, an interrupt driven terminal program for a Kaypro. But unfortunately it doesn't work on my Kaypro. Apparently it works on other systems. From looking at the code there are a couple of questions I have. 1. Why is it necessary to wait for the disk drive to deselect? 2. Why does it relocate handlers into different areas of memory and could this possibly be stomping on something. 3. Does anyone have a memory layout and tech. info for the KPII-84 that they would send me? Any help and info will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mike O'Donnell mikeod@itx.isc.com ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 90 12:59:59 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!percy!nosun!techbook!fzsitvay@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Frank Zsitvay) Subject: Kaypro II communications at high baud rates Message-ID: <1990Dec5.125959.2947@techbook.com> In article <7632@hub.ucsb.edu> crmeyer@nobbs.physics.ucsb.edu writes: >I recently aquired a Kaypro II ('83 type) and wanted to use it to >telecomunicate at 9600 baud. Using the included TERM program, it >seemed that the program dropped the first several characters of each >line. Does anyone have any software or hardware based solutions that >they could reccommend? I vaugly remember a similar question being asked >recently, but did not have the Kaypro at that point and did not save the >messages :(. If 9600 baud is too fast, will it work correctly at >2400 baud? I know 1200 is OK. i use imp245 (of irv hoff fame) and at 2400 baud it loses the third char of every line on my II/83. i imagine this is due to the screen handling routines in ROM, as it apparently takes more time to handle a carriage return than it does to put a char on the screen. the best solution would be to use a lower baud rate until you can either increase the processor speed or install a rom that handles the screen quicker. at 2400 baud, i have no problems when i configure the host system to insert 3 nulls after every carriage return. at 9600 baud you'd probably need 40 or 50 of them. -- fzsitvay@techbook.COM - but don't quote me on that.... American Oil Company motto - Bend over, We'll pump!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 1990 09:15:15 PST From: sprague.wbst311@xerox.com Subject: knowledge needed! [4 drives on a Xerox 820-II] Message-ID: <" 5-Dec-90 12:15:15 EST".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com> > I have NO previous computer experience (which is why people > gave me the cp/m systems, I believe) Chuckle, more likely because the CP/M systems were cheap. Both my mother and sister-in-law do a lot of word processing. I set them both up with Xerox 820-II computers (which cost very little) and both of them are quite happy. > currently use a Xerox 820-II system, with 2 8" floppy drives. > .... hooked up to the currently functioning cpu, so that I > have a 4-drive system, AND so that the system know that it > has 4 drives accessible It *IS* possible to convert the 820-II to use four drives instead of two .... but it's going to take a lot of work. Your going to have to rewrite the BIOS. ..... And even then, I'm not sure the extra two drive select lines are on the Floppy controller board (I'd have to take a look). > I also have another cpu for the xerox that I can put the working > floppy drives in, if necessary. I have no idea if this is possible, If you decide to go this route, describe to me what you have, and I'll tell you how to put it together. It sound like you might have some non-standard (home-built?) equipment. ~ Mike (Sprague.Wbst311@Xerox.Com) ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 90 12:45:34 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!percy!nosun!techbook!fzsitvay@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Frank Zsitvay) Subject: Obtaining the Tandon TM848-2 (was:Re: Reply to Big Board II)7 Message-ID: <1990Dec5.124534.2722@techbook.com> In article <48933@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> v125kjg8@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu writes: >In article <1990Dec2.045012.25373@techbook.com>, fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes... >> incidentally, the tandon drives put 1.2 megs on a disk, and can be >>had for $30 here in portland. they are perhaps the best half-height >>double sided 8 inch floppies ever made. > >Where can you get them in Portland? Sounds like a good deal, because a company >advertising in _Computer Shopper_ wanted $175 each for them, removed from >unused equipment. Wacky Willy's at 11th and Stark have a pair of them, both brand new. I don't think they do any mail order business, but even then if you look in the right places you should find similar deals. at Electronic Supply Corporation in seattle (Latona ave and 45th street) a couple years ago i bought a pair of shurgart sa860 drives for $25 apiece, so the deals are out there. if you are referring to jb technologies, don't ever buy an item like that from them. in fact, if you can help it, never buy an 8 inch drive mail order, especially hard drives. insist on seeing the drive (preferably in operating, if possible) before laying down cash. it's very rare to find new, unused 8 inch drives these days, and finding the media can be even harder. (that is, finding it at a resonable price.) for one thing, 8 inch drives weight quite a bit, and are quite fragile. you'll pay more for shipping and may get a drive that's out of alignment or not working. and you can bet, if you file a claim with ups for damages, you won't get much back, even if you point out how much you paid. -- fzsitvay@techbook.COM - but don't quote me on that.... American Oil Company motto - Bend over, We'll pump!!! ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 90 13:10:12 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!percy!nosun!techbook!fzsitvay@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Frank Zsitvay) Subject: Reply to Big Board II Message-ID: <1990Dec5.131012.3071@techbook.com> In article <1990Dec3.224503.5999@simasd.uucp> donm@pnet07.cts.com (Don Maslin) writes: >fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes: >> >> by the by, i have a question regarding 8 inch floppies on ibm >>clones. uniform is very handy in formatting oddball disk formats, >>but i was wondering if it is possible to use an 8 inch drive on an >>AT floppy controller to format and read 8 inch formats?? >> >It certainly should be. I am running an 8" drive on CompatiCard as a >secondary FDC on my AT clone. The CC can also be used as a primary >controller on an AT, as it supports 1.2 and 1.44 meg drives. Its major >advantage to me is that it is a 4 drive controller. well, what i meant was could i connect my 8 inch drives to an existing AT HD controller and get the thing to work with uniform?? the reason why is because compaticards aren't exactly cheap, and i'd like to avoid that step if possible. i can make a proper cable, but i need to know if uniform understands such a setup. -- fzsitvay@techbook.COM - but don't quote me on that.... American Oil Company motto - Bend over, We'll pump!!! ------------------------------ Date: 2 Dec 90 05:03:19 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!nosun!qiclab!techbook!fzsitvay@uunet.uu.net (Frank Zsitvay) Subject: Strange Kaypro problems Message-ID: <1990Dec2.050319.25685@techbook.com> In article <1990Nov30.143804.28107@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> wieland@ea.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeffrey J Wieland) writes: >In article <1990Nov29.234234.3270@techbook.com> fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes: >> now i'm wondering - do i have a 2x or a 2/83?? on my machine, the motor >>times out (in fact, it stops right after the disk access, but the light >>stays on. this thing also has to be the fastest booting-from-the-floppy >>machine ever built. (tick tick tick A> ) > >The quick way to tell whether you have an '83 or on '84 is to look >at the back of the computer. '83's have one serial port, '84's have >two (DB-25's, of course). '84's also have video attributes -- inverse, >dim, underline, and blinking. They also can display block graphics, and >have a fine line drawing character set available. The '83's can only do >blinking video, and they have a Greek alternate character set. ok, mine has one serial port, and no graphics or attributes. also, after formatting a double sided kaypro floppy on my AT with uniform, the kaypro claimed it was a single sided floppy, so apparently it has single sided drives. would i need to change the bios to add double sided drives?? (i'd like to put qd drives on it, or better yet, 1.2 meg AT floppies by faking the controller to think it's talking to an 8 inch drive, if that's possible. is there a rom available that would allow 8 inch drives to be connected to a kaypro?? also, what is needed to upgrade the video to the 84 standard?? i use vde as a text editor, and it need reverse video to show control characters. also, how do you tell if the machine has a IV motherboard??? if mine does, then i could probably get dsdd or qd drives to work in it. -- fzsitvay@techbook.COM - but don't quote me on that.... American Oil Company motto - Bend over, We'll pump!!! ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 90 18:45:03 GMT From: csus.edu!wuarchive!emory!hubcap!ncrcae!ncr-sd!simasd!simasd!pnet07!donm@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Don Maslin) Subject: Strange Kaypro problems Message-ID: <1990Dec5.184503.2332@simasd.uucp> fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes: > > ok, mine has one serial port, and no graphics or attributes. also, >after formatting a double sided kaypro floppy on my AT with uniform, >the kaypro claimed it was a single sided floppy, so apparently it has >single sided drives. would i need to change the bios to add double >sided drives?? ... Open the box and check the monitor ROM. If it is 81-232-A, you have a later II/83 which shares the same board with the 4/83 and DSDD should be no problem. If it is 81-149-C, I don't know. However, all three used the same CP/M 2.2F. > Keeper of the CP/M System Disk | UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm Archives for the Dino(saur)SIG | ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil - San Diego Computer Society - | INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 90 21:27:16 GMT From: amethyst!organpipe!afthree.as.arizona.edu!tom@noao.edu (Thomas J. Trebisky) Subject: System use of Z80 registers Message-ID: <629@organpipe.UUCP> >Bridger Mitchell writes: >> I (and others) have long argued strenuously for strict adherence to >> the following systems-programming guideline: >> >> **** >> SYSTEM CODE (BIOS, BDOS, INTERRUPT-SERVICE ROUTINES, AND BACKGROUND >> UTILITIES) SHOULD *ALWAYS PRESERVE* THE NON-8080 REGISTERS. >> **** > > Tilmann Reh writes >The above guideline opens the door to very improper application programming. >The only way to ensure that a program runs on *every* CP/M machine is to >save all registers which must stay valid prior to any system call. BTW, I >don't see why this should be so hard... Sorry to take exception with this. I don't think it is the applications programmers responsibility to guard against all manner of stupidity on the part of those writing systems code. Believe me, every modern OS puts the burden of saving and restoring machine state on the OS -- on a Unix system a system call is commonly implemented by a TRAP or INT, and the first thing the OS will do is save all the registers and whatever else is involved with the user context so it can restore it transparently. As you point out there is no possible way that user code can "guard against" what is done with registers in interrupt routines since they are completely asynchronous. The sad reality of things though is that you are right in a way, due to the abundance of funky systems software in the CPM realm. In the hey-day of CPM every Tom, Dick, and Harry was in a rush to port CPM to this or that platform, and some of the work was poorly done. This forces you and I to go to lengths we shouldn't have to, if we really want "portability" to every sleaze-ball system. However if the above guidelines for SYSTEMS code were followed, we would not have to do this. Another case could be made perhaps for efficiency, the applications programmer knows at any time exactly what he needs to save, whereas a systems call handler must necessarily save everything to be general. In the Z80 realm where every machine cycle is precious, this might have merit, but I would rather save the code space (and my keystrokes :-) ). ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #197 ************************************* 6-Dec-90 22:31:29-MST,10835;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 6 Dec 90 22:15:04 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #198 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901206221505.V90N198@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 6 Dec 90 Volume 90 : Issue 198 Today's Topics: 820-II disk addons Hard drive for Kaypro II? INTTERM - Problems on my KP2-84 Reply to Big Board II Strange Kaypro problems Wanted: help with CP/M+, CP/M3 or BIOS for NORTHSTAR (remember them:-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Dec 1990 12:34:09 PST From: sprague.wbst311@xerox.com Subject: 820-II disk addons Message-ID: <" 6-Dec-90 15:34:09 EST".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com> Arun Baheti writes: > You can use the "Xerox" method of daisy chaining; this is pretty much > built into your system and would just require attaching the extra 8" > Shugart unit up to the back of your current drives and setting the > approproate swicthes on the controller card (I think!). That only works if you have the 8" hard drive, which by the way, has only one floppy. ~ Mike (Sprague.Wbst311@Xerox.Com) ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 90 18:51:08 GMT From: usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!emory!ogicse!zephyr.ens.tek.com!wrgate!dadla!donk@ucsd.edu (Donald C. Kirkpatrick) Subject: Hard drive for Kaypro II? Message-ID: <4429@wrgate.WR.TEK.COM> In article <1990Nov29.190503.22637@simasd.uucp> donm@pnet07.cts.com (Don Maslin) writes: >Give Brian a call at Emerald Microware 503/641-0347 > P.O. Box 1726 > Beaverton OR 97075 > >They market a kit that includes software, host board, and controller card for >the Kaypro. It is about $250. You supply the drive. > I read this article on Thursday, November 29. The next day I tucked my Kaypro under my arm, grabed a hard disk with my other hand, and payed Emerald Microware a visit. On the following Tuesday, I picked up my machine with a new (to me) 20 meg hard drive. That's what I call service. The price was $245 for the kit and $100 to install it. Emerald Microware really knows Kaypros and CP/M. Thanks for the tip Don. -- -Don Kirkpatrick (donk@dadla.LA.TEK.COM) UUCP: {ihnp4 | decvax | ucbvax}!tektronix!dadla!donk ARPA: donk%dadla.LA.TEK.COM@RELAY.CS.NET ------------------------------ Date: 6 Dec 90 19:54:42 GMT From: crash!mwilson@nosc.mil (Marc Wilson) Subject: INTTERM - Problems on my KP2-84 Message-ID: <6131@crash.cts.com> In article <1990Dec5.155950.22108@ico.isc.com> mikeod@ico.isc.com (Mike O'Donnel) writes: [saga on why INITTERM doesn't work on his Kaypro] >1. Why is it necessary to wait for the disk drive > to deselect? If you don't, your drives will stay selected forever. The Kaypro BIOS has a test loop in the character I/O routines. If you haven't talked to the drives by the time the counter gets to zero, it deselects and turns off the motors. When you run INTTERM, you are no longer using the BIOS, so your drives stay selected. This would be a real problem on the K10, where your HD would stay selected forever. >2. Why does it relocate handlers into different areas > of memory and could this possibly be stomping on > something. It moves itself above 8000h because it needs the ROM in order to talk to the screen. The ROM comes in at 0h-8000h. If an interrupt occurred while the program had the ROM enabled, the interrupt vector would point to a random location in the ROM, not in the program. Result: BLOOOIE! >3. Does anyone have a memory layout and tech. info for > the KPII-84 that they would send me? Yes. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Marc Wilson ARPA: ...!crash!mwilson@nosc.mil ...!crash!pnet01!pro-sol!mwilson@nosc.mil UUCP: [ cbosgd | hp-sdd!hplabs | sdcsvax | nosc ]!crash!mwilson INET: mwilson@crash.CTS.COM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Marc Wilson ARPA: ...!crash!mwilson@nosc.mil ...!crash!pnet01!pro-sol!mwilson@nosc.mil UUCP: [ cbosgd | hp-sdd!hplabs | sdcsvax | nosc ]!crash!mwilson INET: mwilson@crash.CTS.COM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: 6 Dec 90 00:05:03 GMT From: agate!bionet!uwm.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!emory!hubcap!ncrcae!ncr-sd!simasd!simasd!pnet07!donm@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Don Maslin) Subject: Reply to Big Board II Message-ID: <1990Dec6.000503.4615@simasd.uucp> fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes: > > well, what i meant was could i connect my 8 inch drives to an existing >AT HD controller and get the thing to work with uniform?? the reason >why is because compaticards aren't exactly cheap, and i'd like to >avoid that step if possible. i can make a proper cable, but i need to >know if uniform understands such a setup. > What I meant to imply is that the CompatiCard is essentially a 4-drive AT FDC. Therefore, it should be possible to connect to a regular AT FDC. Try it, all it should cost you would be the effort to make the cable. As to UniForm understanding it as an 8", I doubt it. But it should write to it in 1.2 format. Look into the capabilities of Driver.sys, though. - don > >-- Keeper of the CP/M System Disk | UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm Archives for the Dino(saur)SIG | ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil - San Diego Computer Society - | INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: 6 Dec 90 19:48:10 GMT From: crash!mwilson@nosc.mil (Marc Wilson) Subject: Strange Kaypro problems Message-ID: <6130@crash.cts.com> In article <1990Dec2.050319.25685@techbook.com> fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes: >In article <1990Nov30.143804.28107@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> wieland@ea.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeffrey J Wieland) writes: >>In article <1990Nov29.234234.3270@techbook.com> fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes: >>> now i'm wondering - do i have a 2x or a 2/83?? on my machine, the motor >>>times out (in fact, it stops right after the disk access, but the light >>>stays on. this thing also has to be the fastest booting-from-the-floppy >>>machine ever built. (tick tick tick A> ) [stuff deleted] > ok, mine has one serial port, and no graphics or attributes. also, >after formatting a double sided kaypro floppy on my AT with uniform, >the kaypro claimed it was a single sided floppy, so apparently it has >single sided drives. You got it. >would i need to change the bios to add double >sided drives?? (i'd like to put qd drives on it, or better yet, 1.2 >meg AT floppies by faking the controller to think it's talking to >an 8 inch drive, if that's possible. is there a rom available that >would allow 8 inch drives to be connected to a kaypro?? No, you don't need to change the BIOS, but you DO need to: a) add double sided drives b) add one jumper to enable the side select line on the interface The Kaypro as sold cannot deal with 8" drives. The data transfer rate over the interface is twice as fast as your 5" drives. This goes for the AT drives, too. This is why you need a new controller when you add a 1.2 or 1.44 Mb drive to a PC. > also, what is needed to upgrade the video to the 84 standard?? >i use vde as a text editor, and it need reverse video to show >control characters. You don't upgrade it. > also, how do you tell if the machine has a IV motherboard??? if >mine does, then i could probably get dsdd or qd drives to work >in it. You've already done the test. You only have 1 serial port, therefore you have an '83 series machine. Since it's only got SSDD drives, probabilities are REAL high that you do, indeed, have a 2-83 motherboard. To tell for sure, look closely at your motherboard. The original 2-83 had motherboard 81-110. The 4-83 had motheboard 81-240. They are basically the same motherboard except for some jumpers. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Marc Wilson ARPA: ...!crash!mwilson@nosc.mil ...!crash!pnet01!pro-sol!mwilson@nosc.mil UUCP: [ cbosgd | hp-sdd!hplabs | sdcsvax | nosc ]!crash!mwilson INET: mwilson@crash.CTS.COM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Marc Wilson ARPA: ...!crash!mwilson@nosc.mil ...!crash!pnet01!pro-sol!mwilson@nosc.mil UUCP: [ cbosgd | hp-sdd!hplabs | sdcsvax | nosc ]!crash!mwilson INET: mwilson@crash.CTS.COM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 90 01:55:08 GMT From: uhccux!munnari.oz.au!comp.vuw.ac.nz!cc-server4.massey.ac.nz!G.Moretti@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Giovanni Moretti) Subject: Wanted: help with CP/M+, CP/M3 or BIOS for NORTHSTAR (remember them:-) Message-ID: <1990Dec7.015508.8635@massey.ac.nz> Hi A friend of mine has recently purchased a NORTHSTAR cpm machine on which he wants to run either CP/M 3 or CP/M+ which he already owns but for another brand of CPM machine. To do this he needs a copy of the custom BIOS for the Northstar for CP/M. Can anyone help out, in any way? I hope this makes sense - my background was with M6809 and Flex so all I know of CPM machines is that they preceded the PC :-) The above is a transciption of what I wrote on the back of a punched card during his telephone call. Any help would be appreciated - it seems a pity to let perfectly good hardware die ... Thanks Giovanni -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Giovanni Moretti, Consultant | G.Moretti@massey.ac.nz, Pkt-ZL2BOI@ZL2BFJ Computer Centre, Massey University| Ph 64 63 69099 x8398, FAX 64 63 505607 Palmerston North, New Zealand | QUITTERS NEVER WIN, WINNERS NEVER QUIT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #198 ************************************* 7-Dec-90 14:22:08-MST,9436;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 7 Dec 90 14:15:37 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #199 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901207141539.V90N199@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 7 Dec 90 Volume 90 : Issue 199 Today's Topics: CP/M FTP sites? Dynabyte CP/M system - HELP! Hard drive for Kaypro II? (2 msgs) INTTERM - Problems on my KP2-84 Reply to Big Board II ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 07 Dec 90 09:21:08 CST From: Rob Caton Subject: CP/M FTP sites? Does someone know of FTP sites for CP/M stuff, other than Simtel? I'm particularly interested in Kaypro items... While I'm at it, how about some mail order companies too? Thanks! |==================================================================| | Rob Caton | | Disclaimer: | | Programmer/Analyst | "I live with danger | What? | | Washington University | everyday, J. R., | Me worry? | |-------------------------| but occasionally I |-----------------| | C08926RC@WUVMD | leave her and go hunting."--GABI | |==================================================================| ------------------------------ Date: 6 Dec 90 19:51:21 GMT From: csusac!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Ian Justman) Subject: Dynabyte CP/M system - HELP! Message-ID: donm@pnet07.cts.com (Don Maslin) writes: > cs202101@umbc5.umbc.edu writes: > >I was going to attempt writing a com program for it, > >but it appears to have a non-standard UART (I'm guessing that this chip > >is the UART, since there are two of these chips on the CPU card and they > >appear to be connected to the serial port connectors); the chips in question > >have TMS 5550 marked on them (if I recall correctly from when I had the > >CPU card removed from the system). > > There is an overlay for NightOwl Softwares MEX communication software for the > Dynabyte DB 8/1. The overlay is designated MXO-DB10.ASM, and should be on > many BBS that handle CP/M stuff along with the PD MEX114.LBR package. If the > overlay is not directly applicable, it should at least be similar. I wrote a number of overlays for a few other comm programs for the Dynabyte, like ZMP (my personal favorite) and Qterm and UUCP (these two I am a beta tester for and I run a UUCP site with it, namely ijsys (reachable via ...!ames!pacbell!sactoh0!ijsys!ianj)), and will continue to write. I'm debating whether I ought to write one for IMP, and I've been thinking of overhauling the MEX overlay because it doesn't support anything over 1200 baud. > >Is there anyone out there who is familiar with this system, its UARTS, > >or who has any ideas about how to get a communications and file transfer > >program set up and running on this system? Thanks in advance for any > >information. > > > If it would be useful, I can send you a uuencoded package called BOOTSTRP.LBR > which contains a couple of approaches to overcoming the initial 'no-comm' > hurdle. He may need an .LBR extractor, or it might be better to send the source (if any) straight to him because I don't think he has a LBR extractor for his Dynabyte. Or better yet, if he has a DOS box (or access to one), send him one for DOS. I've also talked to the guy. He doesn't have all that much for it except what he already has. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Dec 90 17:34:04 GMT From: usc!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!ogicse!zephyr.ens.tek.com!wrgate!dadla!donk@ucsd.edu (Donald C. Kirkpatrick) Subject: Hard drive for Kaypro II? Message-ID: <4445@wrgate.WR.TEK.COM> In article <1990Nov29.190503.22637@simasd.uucp> donm@pnet07.cts.com (Don Maslin) writes: >Give Brian a call at Emerald Microware 503/641-0347 > P.O. Box 1726 > Beaverton OR 97075 > >They market a kit that includes software, host board, and controller card for >the Kaypro. It is about $250. You supply the drive. > > - don I read this note on Thursday, November 29. The next day I grabed a hard disk, stuck my Kaypro under my arm, and drove over to Emerald Microware. The following Tuesday, I had a Kaypro with a 20 Meg hard disk. I sure can't complain about the service. The kit cost $245 and I payed them $100 to install it. I'm glad I let them install it because he worried about things I would not have considered. For example, if the hard disk is too close to the floppy, the motor current on the floppy will cause soft errors on the hard drive. Thanks for the tip, Don. -- -Don Kirkpatrick (donk@dadla.LA.TEK.COM) UUCP: {ihnp4 | decvax | ucbvax}!tektronix!dadla!donk ARPA: donk%dadla.LA.TEK.COM@RELAY.CS.NET ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 90 06:25:02 GMT From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!emory!hubcap!ncrcae!ncr-sd!simasd!simasd!pnet07!donm@ucsd.edu (Don Maslin) Subject: Hard drive for Kaypro II? Message-ID: <1990Dec7.062502.26956@simasd.uucp> donk@dadla.WR.TEK.COM (Donald C. Kirkpatrick) writes: > >I read this article on Thursday, November 29. The next day I tucked my >Kaypro under my arm, grabed a hard disk with my other hand, and payed >Emerald Microware a visit. On the following Tuesday, I picked up my >machine with a new (to me) 20 meg hard drive. That's what I call >service. > What long arms you have! > >Thanks for the tip Don. > You're welcome. - don Keeper of the CP/M System Disk | UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm Archives for the Dino(saur)SIG | ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil - San Diego Computer Society - | INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 90 16:19:54 GMT From: olivea!samsung!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!ea.ecn.purdue.edu!wieland@apple.com (Jeffrey J Wieland) Subject: INTTERM - Problems on my KP2-84 Message-ID: <1990Dec7.161954.28524@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> In article <6131@crash.cts.com> mwilson@crash.cts.com (Marc Wilson) writes: >In article <1990Dec5.155950.22108@ico.isc.com> mikeod@ico.isc.com (Mike O'Donnel) writes: > >>2. Why does it relocate handlers into different areas >> of memory and could this possibly be stomping on >> something. > > It moves itself above 8000h because it needs the ROM in order to >talk to the screen. The ROM comes in at 0h-8000h. If an interrupt >occurred while the program had the ROM enabled, the interrupt vector >would point to a random location in the ROM, not in the program. >Result: BLOOOIE! Also, in order for intterm to run on an '83 series Kaypro II or IV, it has to relocate itself above where the video RAM gets bank switched in. I believe that the video RAM is mapped in just above the ROM. Jumping into the middle of VRAM wouldn't be too healthy, either. The '84's use a 6845 video controller, and talk to it through the Z80 IO ports, the video RAM is not memory mapped. The '84's have all sorts of snazzy video attributes, but their video is much slower than the '83's. On the '83's, people have even bypassed the ROM and used the Z80 block move instruction to update the screen to make it even faster (like a lot of PC programs do). Of course, this makes the programs non-portable. On the '84's, it should be possible to talk to the 6845 directly to speed things up. The BackGrounder II screen driver for the '84's does just this. It redraws the Kaypro's screen faster than anything else I've seen. > >>3. Does anyone have a memory layout and tech. info for >> the KPII-84 that they would send me? > > Yes. MicroCornucopia has a schematic and theory of operation for the '84's (and '83's and the 10's also). It's interesting to get even just to read through and say: "Oh -- So THAT'S why it works that way!" I'd give you MicroC's address if I had it here at work. Email me if you want to get it from them -- I'll get their address for you. -- Jeff Wieland wieland@acn.purdue.edu ------------------------------ Date: 6 Dec 90 19:35:51 GMT From: csusac!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Ian Justman) Subject: Reply to Big Board II Message-ID: fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes: > well, what i meant was could i connect my 8 inch drives to an existing > AT HD controller and get the thing to work with uniform?? the reason > why is because compaticards aren't exactly cheap, and i'd like to > avoid that step if possible. i can make a proper cable, but i need to > know if uniform understands such a setup. I've been wondering that myself, but I have an XT and I have an SA851 busy doing nothing at the moment... However, if that bit fails, you might try 22DISK. It has some text in there about using 8" drives, and you can specify whether or not you're using a CompatiCard to drive it. ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #199 ************************************* 10-Dec-90 14:27:00-MST,15505;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 10 Dec 90 14:15:26 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #200 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901210141529.V90N200@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 10 Dec 90 Volume 90 : Issue 200 Today's Topics: CP/M system disks INFO-CPM Digest V90 #199 old computer info needed Reply to Big Board II System use of Z80 registers thanx! Z280 preassembler Z80DMA & DART ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 9 Dec 90 07:45:04 GMT From: mvb.saic.com!ncr-sd!simasd!simasd!pnet07!donm@ucsd.edu (Don Maslin) Subject: CP/M system disks Message-ID: <1990Dec9.074504.13103@simasd.uucp> I have had several requests for a list of the system disks available in the SDCS Dino-SIG archive that I keep. Happily, the archive is a dynamic thing with new editions coming in aperiodically. If you have something that you think I should have, please e-mail me about it. Likewise, if you need something that I do have, send e-mail also. I will probably re-post this list every so often, unless I get flamed too much for excessive bandwidth. - don ----------------------- cut here ----------------------- Available CP/M System Disks Name Format Description ACTRIX SSDD Access Actrix system disk ADVANCED DIGITAL CORP SUPRQUAD SSSD ADC 8" CP/M 2.2 system disk ALSPA 61KCPM3B SSDD ALSPA ACIDOS (CP/M) system disk AMPRO LBSYSB DSDD Littleboard system disk LBSYS-E DSDD Littleboard system - enhanced BIGBOARD 60KCPM22 SSSD CP/M 60K system disk X4ACPM22 SSSD CP/M system disk - variant CCS CCS-CPM SSSD California Computer Systems 2810/2422@ 9600 baud COMPUPRO CPMPM816 SSDD CompuPro 8/16 MP/M @19.2K baud CMPRO816 DSQD Compupro 8/16 system disk - 96tpi DEC Rainbow DECRBW86 SSQD DOS for Rainbow DECRBW96 SSQD DOS variant DRCDUTIL SSQD CORVUS utilities DRCPM86 SSQD CP/M-86 for Rainbow DELTA DLTADCPM SSSD Delta D CP/M v2.0 EAGLE EAGLII DSDD EAGLE II system disk EAGLIII DSQD EAGLE III system disk EPSON EPSNQX10 DSDD Epson QX-10 system disk ICM/SDCC CPZ4800x ICM-SDD SSDD ICM system disk SDCC-SDD SSDD SDCC system disk INTERTEC SUPERBRAIN & COMPUSTAR QD-BIOS4 DSDD System disk w/ experimental BIOS SBRAIN32 SSDD SUPERBRAIN v 3.2 system disk VPU30ENH SSDD COMPUSTAR enhanced system disk VPU30NON SSDD COMPUSTAR non-enhanced system disk VPU30NRM SSDD COMPUSTAR non-enhanced system disk JADE JADE-DD SSDD Jade Double D CP/M KAYPRO K10FLOAD DSDD CP/M 2.2F system disk (81-302-C) K10HLOAD DSDD CP/M 2.2H system disk (81-302-C) K10RELOD DSDD CP/M 2.2F reload disk (81-302-C) K10URLOD DSDD CP/M 2.2U reload disk (U ROM) K2X22G DSDD CP/M 2.2G system disk (81-292-A) K4836765 DSDD CP/M 2.2F system disk (81-232-A) K4836768 DSDD CP/M 2.2F system disk (81-232-A) K483FDSD DSDD CP/M 2.2F system disk (81-232-A) KII-6085 SSDD CP/M 2.2F system disk (81-232-A) KII-SSDD SSDD CP/M 2.2F system disk (81-232-A) KP-TROM DSDD CP/M 2.2T system disk (ADVENT T'ROM) KP22GDSD DSDD CP/M 2.2G system disk (81-292-A) KPII-OLD SSDD CP/M 2.2F system disk (81-232-A) KPRO-II SSDD CP/M 2.2F system disk (81-232-A) KPROSSDD SSDD CP/M 2.2F system disk (81-232-A) PRO884MX DSDD CP/M 2.2M system disk (MICRO C PRO-884-MAX) MONROE MONROE88 DSDD Monroe 88 CP/M system disk MORROW MD-2 MD2PRGMR SSDD Programmer utilities MOMD216 SSDD System disk rev 1.6 MOMD2R13 SSDD System disk rev 1.3 MOMD2R16 SSDD System disk rev 1.6 MOMD2R1X SSDD System disk rev 1.x MOMD2R21 SSDD System disk rev 2.1 MORROW MD-3 MOMD3R22 DSDD CP/M 2.2 System disk rev 2.2 MOMD3R23 DSDD CP/M 2.2 System disk rev 2.3 MOMD3R31 DSDD CP/M 2.2 System disk rev 3.1 MORROW MD-5/11 (HD Models) MD5-BOOT DSDD MD-5 system disk MD5-GEN3 DSDD MD-5 CP/M 3.0 system generation files MD11DSK1 DSDD MD-11 distribution disk #1 MD11DSK2 DSDD MD-11 distribution disk #2 FORMAT23 ARC Format program & mods for 96tpi drives NNC (No Name Computer) NBUG22 MAC NNC OASIS Computer monitor ROM source NBUG22 ROM NNC OASIS Computer monitor ROM OSBORNE OS1SYS SSDD Osborne 1 system disk OTRONA OATTACHE DSDD Otrona Attache' system disk RADIO SHACK TRSIILBT SSDD Lifeboat CP/M for TRS-80 Model II LIFEBOAT SSDD More '' '' '' '' ''Model II TRSDOSII SSDD TRS Model II TRSDOS system disk SANYO SMBC1100 DSDD Sanyo MBC-1100 system disk SIERRA CPM22DD SSSD CP/M 2.2 DD system disk CPM22HDS SSSD CP/M 2.2 HD system disk CPM22S SSSD CP/M 2.2 SD system disk MPM2CS SSSD MP/M 2 system disk MPM2MS SSSD MP/M 2 system disk TARBELL TARBLCPM SSSD Tarbell FDC CP/M TELEVIDEO TPC-1 DSDD Televideo TPC-1 (portable) system disk TS-802H DSDD Televideo TS-802H system disk TS-803 DSDD Televideo TS-803 system disk XEROX 820 5SYS-II SSDD 820-II 5.25" system disk s/n DC0003121 5WP-II SSDD 820-II 5.25" word processor dsk s/n DC0003121 8202SIS5 SSDD 820-II 5.25" system disk s/n DC0003121 8202SYS8 SSDD 820-II 8" system disk s/n DC1001697 8202CPM5 SSDD 820-II 5.25" system disk s/n DC0003121 820DIA5 SSSD 820 5.25" diagnostics s/n BD0053000 820DIA8 SSSD 820 8" diagnostics s/n BD0050266 820SSSD SSSD 820 8" system disk s/n BS0054300 820SYS5 SSSD 820 5.25" system disk s/n BW0061446 820SYS8 SSSD 820 8" system disk s/n BS0050484 820SYS8S SSSD 820 8" system disk s/n BS0050484 820WP8 SSSD 820 8" word processor disk s/n BW0050522 Zenith Z100 Z100CPM DSDD CP/M 2.2 system disk Z100DOSA DSDD ZDOS disk A Z100DOSB DSDD ZDOS disk B Z100ZPC DSDD ZDOS variant ZDOS100A DSDD ZDOS disk A ZDOS100B DSDD ZDOS disk B ZDOS310 DSDD ZDOS v3.10 ZMDOS218 DSDD Z100 MSDOS v2.18 ZOBEX ZOBX-SDD SSDD Zobex CP/M Keeper of the CP/M System Disk | UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm Archives for the Dino(saur)SIG | ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil - San Diego Computer Society - | INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 90 07:39:18 PST From: agordon@manta.nosc.mil (Alan Gordon) Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #199 Message-ID: <9012101539.AA08582@manta.nosc.mil> ------- Please delete me from the info-cpm list. Thank you. Al Gordon agordon@nosc.mil ------- ------------------------------ Date: 9 Dec 90 18:21:38 GMT From: rex!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!kwgst@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Karol Gieszczykiewicz) Subject: old computer info needed Message-ID: <69163@unix.cis.pitt.edu> (I posted to sci.electronics and they sent me here. I read ------------------------------ Date: 9 Dec 90 07:25:04 GMT From: mvb.saic.com!ncr-sd!simasd!simasd!pnet07!donm@ucsd.edu (Don Maslin) Subject: Reply to Big Board II Message-ID: <1990Dec9.072504.12658@simasd.uucp> fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes: > > now, i know the hardware of an AT floppy controller will be able to control >an 8 inch drive. that is understood without question, since it is basically >the same as the interface used with 8 inch drives. > > what i meant to ask was, "Does uniform know how to use the AT floppy >controller when it is connected to an 8 inch drive??" > It is necessary for UniForm to be 'advised' of the presence of a particular drive in order for it to access it. This is done in the AT's CMOS and/or in the config.sys file - depending on the controller, etc. In the case of CompatiCard, there is the statement: device = ccdriver (followed by appropriate hyroglyphics) that identifies the drive parameters. It may well be possible to accomplish the same thing using whatever driver your HDC/FDC uses to identify attached floppies. But, not having tried it, I don't know for sure. Hopefully some other reader does, and will share his wisdom with us. > > i know a compaticard would solve the problem, but in my situation that >is not an alternative. > That is understood and appreciated. - don Keeper of the CP/M System Disk | UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm Archives for the Dino(saur)SIG | ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil - San Diego Computer Society - | INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: 9 Dec 90 17:22:48 GMT From: catnip!bandy@lll-winken.llnl.gov (Gun Control is Hitting Your Target) Subject: System use of Z80 registers Message-ID: <663@catnip.berkeley.ca.us> I agree with Bridger, disagree with Tilmann and give my take on the situation, plus official word from DRI. Bridger Mitchell writes: >> I (and others) have long argued strenuously for strict adherence to >> the following systems-programming guideline: >> >> **** >> SYSTEM CODE (BIOS, BDOS, INTERRUPT-SERVICE ROUTINES, AND BACKGROUND >> UTILITIES) SHOULD *ALWAYS PRESERVE* THE NON-8080 REGISTERS. >> **** >> >> This rule ensures that an application that uses Z80 opcodes can run on >> any z80 system without having to save and restore any of those >> registers before every BIOS and BDOS call. tilmann@cosmo.UUCP (Tilmann Reh) writes: >That's a guideline I don't agree with. >Why should the system care about which registers the application program uses? Why? "Because CP/M is an **8080** operating system - thus it may only use 8080 registers." I got this reply back from Digital Research back in '80 when I asked them about the Z/80 registers. >Of course, interrupt routines must also save all registers they use, as this >are asynchronous events. That's right, but the silly people who did the Osborne-1 roms didn't. Hence perfectly valid Z80 applications that ran on other folks' systems would crash on the Osborne. >When will programmers (system *and* application) finally understand that >everything should be programmed as portable and universal as possible ? Exactly. Yes, it would make an application even more bullet proof to have it save all the Z80 registers [or don't use them :-)] before it called into BDOS/BIOS, but folks who write BIOS software should preserve the Z80 registers to help maintain compatibility with "incorrect" software. -- real address: bandy@catnip.berkeley.ca.us last choice: lll-winken!catnip.berkeley.ca.us!bandy ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 90 21:14:04 GMT From: snorkelwacker.mit.edu!think.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu!ephillip%magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Earl W Phillips) Subject: thanx! Message-ID: I just wanted to thank those who responded to my plea for help, regarding hooking up extra drives to a xerox 820-II system. The response is heartening! From ephillip@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu Fri Dec 7 14:50:41 1990 Flags: 000000000001 Received: by right.magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu (5.57/3.901025) id AA24810; Fri, 7 Dec 90 14:50:36 -0500 Date: Fri, 7 Dec 1990 14:50:35 EST From: Earl W Phillips To: ephillip@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu Message-Id: ***************************************************************** * | ====@==== //////// * * ephillip@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu | ``______// * * | `----' * * -JR- | Space;.....the final * * | frontier............ * ***************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 90 15:49:27 GMT From: att!linac!uwm.edu!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ira.uka.de!smurf!ipkama!freesid!horga!veeble!fifi@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Axel Zinser) Subject: Z280 preassembler Message-ID: <1990Dec5.154927.2765@veeble.north.de> Hi Netlanders, I've written a simple program to convert true Z280 mnenomics to Z80 so you can use your "old" Z80 assembler for assembling. If there's interest on the net I'll post it (about 25k). Axel -- Axel Zinser fifi@veeble.north.de || fifi@mcshh.hanse.de || fifi@cosmo.uucp VOICE: +49 511 699945 ...uunet!mcsun!unido!mcshh![veeble![hiss!]]}fifi ------------------------------ Date: 8 Dec 90 06:57:53 GMT From: snorkelwacker.mit.edu!hsdndev!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!cynic!pevans@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Phillip Evans) Subject: Z80DMA & DART Message-ID: <7imuT1w163w@cynic.wimsey.bc.ca> Hello all - I am disassembling a boot prom and need to know some Z80DMA and Z80DART stuff. The DMA gets sent 08hex as one of the first instructions - then it's not used again by the prom. The DART gets sent this sequence: 18 01 00 03 C1 04 44 05 68 00 (the last 00 might be superfluous) to initialise it, and then the command port is only used by the following bit of code. FiddleP1: XOR A ;zero A and reset flags OUT (DARTAStat),A ;send it out IN A,(DARTAStat) AND 1 ;mask on bit 0 SCF ;set this in case it was set RET Z ;ret if the bit was not set OUT (DARTAStat),A ;SEE QUESTION TWO BELOW IN A,(DARTAStat) AND 'p' ;70H - mask bits 456 RET Z ;ret if none of the above set IN A,(DATRADat) LD A,'0' ;30H - load A without affecting flags OUT (DARTAStat),A OR A RET Question ONE: What DOES the set of initialisation bytes do? Question TWO: What I need to know here are the meanings of the bits 0, 4, 5, and 6; what happens when the status register is loaded with the returned byte after it is masked with 0000 0001 binary; and what happnes when it is loaded with 030hex. No, I don't have a manual/set of data sheets, nor does either of the libraries I tried. Thanks in advance to anyone who can answer these questions for me... ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #200 ************************************* 11-Dec-90 11:25:43-MST,11134;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 11 Dec 90 11:15:08 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #201 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901211111510.V90N201@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 11 Dec 90 Volume 90 : Issue 201 Today's Topics: CP/M Benchmarks INTTERM - Problems on my KP2-84 Need description of CP/M filesystem structure Reply to Big Board II System use of Z80 registers The guy with the Osborne1... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 8 Dec 90 19:00:49 GMT From: usc!samsung!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ira.uka.de!smurf!subnet.sub.net!mcshh!tilmann@ucsd.edu (Tilmann Reh) Subject: CP/M Benchmarks Message-ID: <8487@mcshh.hanse.de> Doug Braun writes about CP/M Benchmarks. He's absolutely right: the problem is that there is no standard (not only C) compiler for CP/M. So, for testing the machine itself, we should at least take the most usual compiler around here. I guess, that is Turbo-Pascal 3.0. Perhaps the MBasic-Interpreter (though a hack) could serve for this purpose, too. So, if we use a standard set of test routines (i.e. for integer and real arithmetic, and for I/O on ramdisk/harddisk/floppy) and compile them with exactly the same compiler (Turbo-3), the results should be comparable. Although I use a Z280 too, I think it's not right to use modified compilers for benchmarks (except when the compliers are exactly the same, and we just want to compare some Z280 with each other). In that means, I'm using such a benchmark (published in c't magazine some years ago) for a long time. I might post the sources on the net, if there is interest. Tilmann Reh tilmann@mcshh.uucp tilmann@mcshh.hanse.de ------------------------------ Date: 8 Dec 90 19:45:02 GMT From: elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!wuarchive!emory!hubcap!ncrcae!ncr-sd!simasd!simasd!pnet07!donm@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Don Maslin) Subject: INTTERM - Problems on my KP2-84 Message-ID: <1990Dec8.194502.8538@simasd.uucp> wieland@ea.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeffrey J Wieland) writes: > >MicroCornucopia has a schematic and theory of operation for the '84's >(and '83's and the 10's also). It's interesting to get even just to >read through and say: "Oh -- So THAT'S why it works that way!" >I'd give you MicroC's address if I had it here at work. Email me >if you want to get it from them -- I'll get their address for you. >-- Bearing in mind that Micro C is no longer publishing, but is still selling some products, the address is: Micro Cornucopia P.O. Box 223 Bend OR 97709 - don Keeper of the CP/M System Disk | UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm Archives for the Dino(saur)SIG | ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil - San Diego Computer Society - | INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 90 02:02:13 GMT From: agate!shelby!msi.umn.edu!cs.umn.edu!quest!starfire!john@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (John Lind) Subject: Need description of CP/M filesystem structure Message-ID: <606@starfire.UUCP> I have gotten some firmware source on a 8" CP/M floppy and want to decode the filesystem. I went to "Software, Etc." and at least the guys working there had HEARD of CP/M... The files I want can probably be extracted just by sorting through the data sectors by hand, but I figure if I need to do this once, I might just need to do it again, and would enjoy doing it "right" anyway. comp.os.cpm readers: please respond by mail -- my system doesn't get this newsgroup. mn.general readers: I included you because I thought someone might have something I could drive over and look at, borrow, or have hiding under your desk or in the back of your bookshelf. -- John Lind, Starfire Consulting Services E-mail: john@starfire.MN.ORG USnail: PO Box 13001, Mpls MN 55414 ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 90 09:30:50 GMT From: rex!samsung!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!dali.cs.montana.edu!ogicse!zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!percy!nosun!techbook!fzsitvay@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Frank Zsitvay) Subject: Reply to Big Board II Message-ID: <1990Dec7.093050.16016@techbook.com> In article <9012031701.AA16292@icf.llnl.gov.llnl.gov> rzh@ICF.LLNL.GOV (R. Hanscom) writes: >In <1990Dec2.045012.25373@techbook.com> fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) >writes: > >> by the by, i have a question regarding 8 inch floppies on ibm >>clones. uniform is very handy in formatting oddball disk formats, >>but i was wondering if it is possible to use an 8 inch drive on an >>AT floppy controller to format and read 8 inch formats?? > >Check out Emerald in Oregon. They carry the "Compaticard" which is a PC >compatible disk controller. I don't have one, but they appear to handle >8" drives on a PC, although I believe the ads say that the AT will not >boot from an 8" drive (that may not be a big deal!). They are not cheap, >but seem to answer your needs. perhaps i didn't make myself clear. (entirely possible, since i'm human and not perfect...) it's the fact that the compaticard is not cheap that causes me to post the question in the first place. now, i know the hardware of an AT floppy controller will be able to control an 8 inch drive. that is understood without question, since it is basically the same as the interface used with 8 inch drives. what i meant to ask was, "Does uniform know how to use the AT floppy controller when it is connected to an 8 inch drive??" i have a space in my system's floppy storage system that is designed for AT compatible HD disk drives, but what i want to know is if i were to connect an 8 inch drive to it (with, of course, a cable that routes all of the signals where they should go) can i expect uniform to be able to work with this setup? currently, i have a western digital WD1003-WA2 controller with both a st225 and a teac HD drive connected to it. there is room to connect another floppy drive to the controller (it supports 2 drives), and i'd like to put my 8 inch drive on that. i know a compaticard would solve the problem, but in my situation that is not an alternative. -- fzsitvay@techbook.COM - but don't quote me on that.... American Oil Company motto - Bend over, We'll pump!!! ------------------------------ Date: 8 Dec 90 19:00:02 GMT From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ira.uka.de!smurf!subnet.sub.net!mcshh!tilmann@ucsd.edu (Tilmann Reh) Subject: System use of Z80 registers Message-ID: <8486@mcshh.hanse.de> In article <1990Dec4.131328.15594@ims.alaska.edu> floyd@ims.alaska.edu (Floyd Davidson) writes: > You're last statement does not follow from the first. For maximum > portability both should assume the other did it wrong. Of course, that is the safest way. But then, system behaviour is very well specified (see below). So I especially wanted to emphasize the responsibility of the application programmers (not to blame it all on the system programmers!). In article <1990Dec4.134833.17783@funet.fi> pl@news.funet.fi.tut.fi (Lehtinen Pertti) writes: > The point is, that CP/M is specified to 8080 and first Z80 versions > didn't use Z80-specific registers, so it appeared, that applications > were free to use those registers without saving/restoring. Sorry, but that's not logical. If one uses Z80 opcodes in an application, he must be aware that at least the BIOS also uses these instructions. > System routine usually saves only those registers it really uses, > so I don't really see, if it matters, who saves the registers, > as long as it is clearly specified somewhere. Of course, in fact it doesn't matter *who* saves. Just that the system may save registers which aren't used by the application at all. As for the spec's: see below. > Yes, this is sure way to do that. But what is needed, is clear > specification, which registers should be preserved and which not, > just as in every subroutine calling standard. > If system specification says which registers are to be preserved, > it would be very easy. I wonder if anyone of you ever read the CP/M Programmers Guide. In this (original DRI) document there is the clear specification. The CP/M-Plus Programmers Guide (as I use CP/M-Plus) tells me on page 27: When a transient program makes a BDOS function call, the BDOS does not restore registers to their entry values before returning to the calling program. The responsiblity for saving and restoring any critical register values rests with the calling program. So everyone who writes (or wants to write) applications programs should please read the specifications before doing so. Of course, that quotation doesn't mention Z80 registers. But if you think logically and carefully look at the sentence, it is absolutely clear that *every* register may be changed after returning from a system call. BTW, even commercial programs may have bugs: In Turbo-Pascal 3.0, the IX and IY registers aren't saved before calling the Console Input routine, but used afterwards. So be careful. (every other Char I/O is ok!) Tilmann Reh tilmann@mcshh.uucp tilmann@mcshh.hanse.de ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 90 02:44:31 GMT From: cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!kwgst@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Karol W Gieszczykiewicz) Subject: The guy with the Osborne1... Message-ID: <69636@unix.cis.pitt.edu> Greetings. I have great news! I went out a got a fully functional Kaypro 10! WITH all the manuals and most disks. ALL FOR $10 (even includes zipped velcro case)! Anyways, I still would like to get some stuff for the Osborne, but if anyone out there want's one of mine, it's $50 plus you pay shipping. No docs or disks but I might make copies if I get some for my other O1. I have a feeling that the Kaypro 10 is better than my //e :-( It's nice to have a 10MB drive (true, it's slow. Can I just slip in a 40MB and take advantage of the decreased access time? even if I still get 10MB...) It has WordStar, lots of games, Superterm, etc. installed on drive B0: (I'll have to read about it later) and comes with a 5+1/4" floppy. Quite nice. Has a parallel, serial and a modem port so I don't need cards, like in my Apple... Anyways, as for the O1, it's definitely going to be a security system and I'll use the K10 as a "toy" (read:MAC). Take care. P.S. Is the little fan supposed to be on all the time or just when it gets too hot? Also, the POWER led does not light, but everything works.... ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #201 ************************************* 13-Dec-90 07:25:57-MST,10344;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 13 Dec 90 07:15:11 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #202 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901213071512.V90N202@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 13 Dec 90 Volume 90 : Issue 202 Today's Topics: CP/M Benchmarks Kaypro needs your help Need WordStar utility Otrona hard drive System use of Z80 registers UUCP and CPM Plus ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 12 Dec 90 06:00:02 GMT From: mintaka!olivea!samsung!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!cynic!pevans@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Phillip Evans) Subject: CP/M Benchmarks Message-ID: > So, if we use a standard set of test routines (i.e. for integer and real > arithmetic, and for I/O on ramdisk/harddisk/floppy) and compile them with > exactly the same compiler (Turbo-3), the results should be comparable. > Although I use a Z280 too, I think it's not right to use modified compilers > for benchmarks (except when the compliers are exactly the same, and we > just want to compare some Z280 with each other). > In that means, I'm using such a benchmark (published in c't magazine some > years ago) for a long time. I might post the sources on the net, if there > is interest. > > Tilmann Reh tilmann@mcshh.uucp > tilmann@mcshh.hanse.de I'm interested. Let's have the code. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 90 08:33:04 GMT From: wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!kwgst@eddie.mit.edu (Karol Gieszczykiewicz) Subject: Kaypro needs your help Message-ID: <69487@unix.cis.pitt.edu> Greetings. I got 2 Kaypro 10's. I turn one of them on, nice menu appears, I can use any software I choose, play games, etc. I turn the other on and the hard disk refuses to boot up... no matter what I do. I put in a system disk, get the A0> prompt, type "dir b:", light goes on, head unparks, I get a "BDos err on B: Bad Sector", same for drive C:.... But, interestingly, if I wait for the head to park (not sure if this is normal - it makes a funny sound), and hit spacebar, I can sometimes get a whole directory and only get an error on the last line... I can't run FINDBAD though :-) Also, it appears that I got the computer with its heads UNparked... head (gasp) crash? But why would it show me the directory sometimes (about 1 out of 60 times) Does anyone have/know of a program that will format and partition a new/old hardrive? FMTFLPY (sp?) does not work, neither does MFDISK... I gues I will need a WD-1002-WD0 controller card if the hard drive is ok, anyone have one - REAL CHEAP? I have other ST-212 hard drives at home so swapping one is no problem. I'm also handy with a soldering iron if anyone has any pointers. I don't want to put too much money into it because I have so many other micros (//+,//e,vic,c64,s100,sun,apollo,osborne,timex,vic20, and a pdp 11/73 (whew) :-) that I don't mind trashing this one (for parts) ;-) Also, my other system can not boot from the hard drive, but it did come with a statup disk. I can use the hard drive with no problems. One problem, to make a floppy, one needs to have A: and B: to be hard drives and C: to be the floppy, but if I have to boot with a floppy, IT gets the A: and B: and C: are hard drives. The GENFLPY program just barfs and exits with a configuration error. Anyone know a way around that? CONFIG does not seem to list it there. Yes, I did look on simtel and wuarchive... nothing useful. Besides, I can't download anything. [this is getting long] Also, if I can prove that I have the manuals for a program, will they send me a copy of a disk so I can use? (WordStar, for example?) Take care. P.S. I am/will archive all I get. Please e-mail, reading news is expen$ive... ;-) ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 90 14:34:58 GMT From: tindle@g.ms.uky.edu (Ken Tindle) Subject: Need WordStar utility Message-ID: <16529@s.ms.uky.edu> I'm using WordStar on an Osborne 1 along with Kermit, trying to program a microcomputer board I built using BASIC-52 (Intel). Files created with WordStar must contain some binary characters, which is ruining the "raw" upload of program code to the uC board. I need a real, flat ASCII file on disk- so is there easily available a utility to massage WordStar output? I suppose one could use PIP's Z option, and/or an MBASIC program- but I'll bet this is a problem others have already beaten. True? --------------------------\ /----------------------------------------------- INTERNET:tindle@ms.uky.edu | "Could you please continue the petty bickering? BITNET: tindle@ukma.bitnet | I find it most intriguing." --- Data, Ken Tindle - Lexington, KY | Star Trek, The Next Generation, "Haven" --------------------------/ \----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 90 20:54:41 GMT From: farris@marlin.nosc.mil (Russell H. Farris) Subject: Otrona hard drive Message-ID: <1671@marlin.NOSC.MIL> First, thanks to everyone who helped me with my earlier questions on Otronas. BTW, Mycroft appears to be defunct. I recently acquired an Otrona/IEEE-488 hard drive. Unfortunately, the drive stops working after 10-15 minutes of operation. The problem appears to be in the controller card in the external drive box. 1. Have any of you ever encountered a similar problem? 2. Does anyone have: a. documentation for the Otrona HD? b. an extra HD controller card (or an entire HD assembly) for sale? c. an extra 128k/IEEE-488 board for sale? d. a C-compiler for the Otrona? e. HD diagnostic programs for CPM machines? Thanks, Russ Farris (farris@marlin.nosc.mil) (619) 553-4129 Code 444 271 Catalina Blvd "As for Gunnar I cannot speak, San Diego, Calif 92152-5000 but his halberd is home!" Njal's Saga ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 90 02:45:19 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!percy!nosun!techbook!fzsitvay@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Frank Zsitvay) Subject: System use of Z80 registers Message-ID: <1990Dec12.024519.7306@techbook.com> In article <663@catnip.berkeley.ca.us> bandy@catnip.berkeley.ca.us (Gun Control is Hitting Your Target) writes: >>> I (and others) have long argued strenuously for strict adherence to >>> the following systems-programming guideline: >>> >>> **** >>> SYSTEM CODE (BIOS, BDOS, INTERRUPT-SERVICE ROUTINES, AND BACKGROUND >>> UTILITIES) SHOULD *ALWAYS PRESERVE* THE NON-8080 REGISTERS. >>> **** >>> >>> This rule ensures that an application that uses Z80 opcodes can run on >>> any z80 system without having to save and restore any of those >>> registers before every BIOS and BDOS call. >>That's a guideline I don't agree with. >>Why should the system care about which registers the application program uses? > >Why? "Because CP/M is an **8080** operating system - thus it may only use >8080 registers." I got this reply back from Digital Research back in '80 >when I asked them about the Z/80 registers. well, CP/M itself doesn't use the special registers, but the BIOS might, since that was supplied from the manufacturer of the machine. there is another problem, though, in that some z-80 BIOS' were written in such way that the index registers of the z-80 as well as the alternate register set were used as temporary storage between calls, and applications that used these registers would bomb on machines that expected those values to still be there. CP/M itself (for BDOS calls) doesn't preserve any registers. (which led to programs being littered with PUSH B! PUSH D! PUSH H and corresponding pops after each BDOS call) perhaps it would be best to assume the bios doesn't save the special registers in the z-80. but an unacceptable situation is where the BIOS requires the application to not change the value of those registers. sure, CP/M is an 8080 operating system, but since most CP/M machines still working these days are Z-80 based, then perhaps it should be considered a z-80 operating system. writing applications to run under z-80 CP/M should be free to use those registers, but not expect the operating system to preserve the contents. (exception - interrupt handlers.) people who own machines with a BIOS that does store values in special z80 registers would probably have to hack their BIOS so that it doesn't. those writing programs that use special z80 registers should PUSH them before a BDOS call and POP them after the call, assuming they need to save the contents of those registers. -- fzsitvay@techbook.COM - but don't quote me on that.... American Oil Company motto - Bend over, We'll pump!!! ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 90 22:57:26 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!axion!tharr!pm111@uunet.uu.net (Paul Martin) Subject: UUCP and CPM Plus Message-ID: <1490@tharr.UUCP> Two queries: Does anyone have Dave Goodenough's UUCP suite of version later than 2.1a (9)? If so, could they mail me that they have it. I don't want them to mail it to me - I would then get 3+ copies of it. (I pay by kilobyte). What is the convention for the "true" file length byte in CPM Plus? (It's set by setting flag f6' and putting the byte value in CR). I assume it is the number of unused bytes in the last sector. Is this right? -- If life is just a bowl of cherries, you'd better watch out for the stones. Paul Martin. pm111@tharr.uucp INTERNET: pm111%tharr.uucp@ukc.ac.uk <-- tharr *free* public access to Usenet in the UK 0234 261804 --> ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #202 ************************************* 13-Dec-90 14:27:22-MST,11074;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 13 Dec 90 14:15:17 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #203 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901213141518.V90N203@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 13 Dec 90 Volume 90 : Issue 203 Today's Topics: Kaypro II communications at high baud rates Need WordStar utility (2 msgs) uniform and 8 inch cpm formats on AT controllers (2 msgs) UUCP and CPM Plus ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 13 Dec 90 18:16:17 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au!levels!etrmg@uunet.uu.net (What a Guy!) Subject: Kaypro II communications at high baud rates Message-ID: <15766.2767c571@levels.sait.edu.au> In article <1990Dec5.125959.2947@techbook.com>, fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes: > In article <7632@hub.ucsb.edu> crmeyer@nobbs.physics.ucsb.edu writes: > > i imagine this is due to the screen handling routines in ROM, as it > apparently takes more time to handle a carriage return than it does to > put a char on the screen. On mine, it's due to having to scroll the screen contens up a line. I've got an 84 model or three, and it keeps chars fine after a screen clear until it hits line 25 and then begins to scroll and lose chars 3 to 6 of every line. Really annoying. Got the uC Max Rom and it worked until I got a Maestro 2400ZXR modem. Now it's just as bad as before with 1200 baud! I changed the 6845 too and it does make a difference, but not enough. We're gonna have to fix this one for good Guys! Damn. > > the best solution would be to use a lower baud rate until you can either > increase the processor speed or install a rom that handles the screen > quicker. at 2400 baud, i have no problems when i configure the host system > to insert 3 nulls after every carriage return. at 9600 baud you'd probably > need 40 or 50 of them. My prob is that not all BBS'es let you use Nulls anymore. Why the newest & "best" BBS software doesn't do this is beyond me! Ronn ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 90 22:16:52 GMT From: cica!news.cs.indiana.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!milo.mcs.anl.gov!sirius.mcs.anl.gov!winans@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (John Winans) Subject: Need WordStar utility Message-ID: <1990Dec12.221652.8057@mcs.anl.gov> In article <16529@s.ms.uky.edu> tindle@ms.uky.edu (Ken Tindle) writes: >I'm using WordStar on an Osborne 1 along with Kermit, trying to program >a microcomputer board I built using BASIC-52 (Intel). > >Files created with WordStar must contain some binary characters, which is >ruining the "raw" upload of program code to the uC board. > >I need a real, flat ASCII file on disk- so is there easily available a >utility to massage WordStar output? > >I suppose one could use PIP's Z option, and/or an MBASIC program- but I'll >bet this is a problem others have already beaten. True? Hmmm... I have NOT used word-scar in years, but I recall that if you use it in "document mode" by selecting "open document file" on it's mail menu, it will set the high order bits of the first (or was it the last) character in wach string token (ie. word in a sentence.) You can opt for opening your files in "non-document" mode and this will not happen, but you will see some other differences like fixed tab sizes and so on. I always used non-doc mode when in word-scar when I was using it for this exact reason. I think it is safe to say that in non-doc mode, word-scar is like a full screen ed. If you do not know what I am talking about, then either wordstar is not what it was 10 years ago, or you have never run it w/o specifying a file name as the file to edit. Just run it w/o any perameters and you will get a menu that includes "open doc file" and "open non-doc file". I think there was also some way to set it up so that non-doc was the default mode with some setup program that it came with. Hope that's it. -- ! John Winans Advanced Computing Research Facility ! ! winans@mcs.anl.gov Argonne National Laboratory, Illinois ! ! ! !"The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away"-- Tom Waits ! ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 90 21:23:13 GMT From: amethyst!organpipe!afthree.as.arizona.edu!tom@noao.edu (Thomas J. Trebisky) Subject: Need WordStar utility Message-ID: <699@organpipe.UUCP> In article <16529@s.ms.uky.edu> tindle@ms.uky.edu (Ken Tindle) writes: > >Files created with WordStar must contain some binary characters, which is >ruining the "raw" upload of program code to the uC board. >I need a real, flat ASCII file on disk- so is there easily available a >utility to massage WordStar output? The thing to do (perhaps you know this) is to run wordstar in non-document mode - then you read and write plain old ascii files and all is well. A contract I have made with myself is to NEVER type the filename to be edited on the command line (wordstar is most commonly installed to use document mode by default - putting all those nasty binary chars in your file (and setting the 8th bit in some others as well as part of it's way of "marking" up your file.) Then type N and then type your filename --- if you mistakenly start wordstar in document mode on your 2999 line source file DON'T SAVE IT!!! use the abort and exit command (whatever that is, I forget), and start over. If you did save it ......... ....... you poor guy ..... try the following recipe. Just talked to my CPM guru nextdoor and he says to write a simple filter that does this - Read the file byte by byte. Force the high bit in every byte to zero on every byte read. Delete every byte that is < 0x20 (blank) and that is not 0x09, 0x0a, 0x0c, 0r 0x0d (tab,newline,formfeed,return). A code fragment in C would be something like this: (this has not been tested, but this is the idea) while ( c = getchar() ) { c &= 0x7f; if ( c < 0x20 ) { if ( c == 0x09 || c == 0x0a || c == 0x00c || c == 0x0d ) putchar(c); } else putchar(c); } ttrebisky@as.arizona.edu (internet) ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 90 10:16:26 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!percy!nosun!techbook!fzsitvay@uunet.uu.net (Frank Zsitvay) Subject: uniform and 8 inch cpm formats on AT controllers Message-ID: <1990Dec12.101626.16284@techbook.com> well, after a little experimentation, it seems that uniform DOES know how to massage an AT disk controller (HD) to produce 8 inch disk formats. however, i do not know if the formats it produces are readable on 8 inch machines. all i did was install my dsqd 5.25 inch drive as an 8 inch dsdd drive, and try the 8 inch formats. it does format the 5.25 inch drive as either 77 or 154 tracks (depending on single or double sided formats) and it can read its own formats. now, to find out for sure if you can use an AT floppy port, I (or someone who has a spare floppy) will have to wire up an 8 inch drive to the 5.25 inch controller and see if it really does work. i had a file around here that showed how to wire a HD drive to an 8 inch port, and imagine that i'll have to use the same cable for the 8 inch drive to 5.25 inch controller. problem is, it's buried in a couple boxes of 8 inch cp/m disks and i don't relish the thought of spelunking into that box to find it. besides, since there are probably other people on the net that want this information, could someone be so kind as to post that file for us?? also, if anyone has any comments or suggestions concerning making a cable for this, feel free to add to the discussion. i'm going to have to visit the library sometime later in the week and see what signals on the interface will have to go where, and work from that, but if someone knows it off of the top of their head, it would save me a trip into downtown portland, something i also do not relish. and lastly, if someone does try this and get it working, please let everyone else know of your success, and perhaps even post some tips on getting it all to work. but it looks like the hard part is over. uniform does know how to work a HD controller. -- fzsitvay@techbook.COM - but don't quote me on that.... American Oil Company motto - Bend over, We'll pump!!! ------------------------------ Date: 13 Dec 90 13:36:40 GMT From: prism!jm59@gatech.edu (MILLS,JOHN M.) Subject: uniform and 8 inch cpm formats on AT controllers Message-ID: <18617@hydra.gatech.EDU> I have an SD-Systems setup, using their Versafloppy III (?) from back before the flood. This controller has a connector for 5 in. drives, but I've been unsuccessful getting it to run an AT-style (dshd) drive. Any suggestions welcome: is the connector the same for the hd drive as for the dsdd model? Termination of cable req'd? Jumpers somewhere? Symptoms are that my FORMAT selects the drive and steps across it (trying various formats originally intended for 5 in. drives), then doesn't find the format when I look for the directory, use STAT, or run DTYPE (a drive checking utility which looks at formats). Any suggestions welcome. BTW, the card set originally came from JADE. It has worked impeccably, except I had apparently a defective mapping PROM, for which JADE sold me a replacement. Thanks. :=). -- MILLS,JOHN M. Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!jm59 Internet: jm59@prism.gatech.edu ------------------------------ Date: 13 Dec 90 11:57:07 GMT From: uupsi!sunic!dkuug!iddth!iddth2!ns@nyu.edu (Nick Sandru (langt haar)) Subject: UUCP and CPM Plus Message-ID: pm111@tharr.UUCP (Paul Martin) writes: [ ... ] >What is the convention for the "true" file length byte in CPM Plus? >(It's set by setting flag f6' and putting the byte value in CR). >I assume it is the number of unused bytes in the last sector. Is this right? It is the number of the _used_ bytes in the last 128-byte record. >-- >If life is just a bowl of cherries, you'd better watch out for the stones. > Paul Martin. pm111@tharr.uucp INTERNET: pm111%tharr.uucp@ukc.ac.uk > <-- tharr *free* public access to Usenet in the UK 0234 261804 --> Long Haired Nick -- | Nick Sandru (alias Long Haired Nick) | Backpacker's First Law: | Hoje Topholm 37 | e-mail: | "The thing you need lies either | DK-3390 Hundested | ns@iddth.id.dk | in the bottom of your backpack, | Denmark | ns@iddth2.id.dk | or in a closet at your home..." ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #203 ************************************* 14-Dec-90 08:13:52-MST,4492;000000000000 Mail-From: W8SDZ created at 14-Dec-90 08:06:59 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 14 Dec 90 08:06:59 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #204 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901214080659.V90N204@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 14 Dec 90 Volume 90 : Issue 204 Today's Topics: Need WordStar utility Pure ASCII Files from WordStar uniform and 8 inch cpm formats on AT controllers (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 13 Dec 90 14:23:28 GMT From: tindle@g.ms.uky.edu (Ken Tindle) Subject: Need WordStar utility Message-ID: <16538@s.ms.uky.edu> In article <699@organpipe.UUCP> tom@afthree.as.arizona.edu (Thomas J. Trebisky) writes: >The thing to do (perhaps you know this) is to run wordstar in >non-document mode - then you read and write plain old ascii files and >all is well. Even in non-document mode, WordStar will set the high bit of the character the cursor is on at the time of the disk save. It's entirely too nervous for my application, unless the output is filtered through an external utility. >Just talked to my CPM guru nextdoor and he says to write a simple >filter that does this - >Read the file byte by byte. >Force the high bit in every byte to zero on every byte read. >Delete every byte that is < 0x20 (blank) and that is >not 0x09, 0x0a, 0x0c, 0r 0x0d (tab,newline,formfeed,return). Now that is good advice- too bad the original authors of WordStar were too brain-dead re:ascii files. There's no reason they couldn't have built this code into the program- except nobody's perfect; I guess they didn't think of it? I dunno, except they do massage the file for video display, just not to disk. Not too bright. --------------------------\ /----------------------------------------------- INTERNET:tindle@ms.uky.edu | "Could you please continue the petty bickering? BITNET: tindle@ukma.bitnet | I find it most intriguing." --- Data, Ken Tindle - Lexington, KY | Star Trek, The Next Generation, "Haven" --------------------------/ \----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 90 09:01:09 -0500 From: Jay Sage Subject: Pure ASCII Files from WordStar Message-ID: <9012140901.AA22742@LL.MIT.EDU> Ken Tindle said: >> Files created with WordStar must contain some binary characters, which is >> ruining the "raw" upload of program code to the uC board. WordStar files created in DOCUMENT mode have many characters with the high bit set, especially when justification has been turned on. However, if you create the document in NONDOCUMENT mode, then it should be a pure ASCII file, or so I have always believed. >> I need a real, flat ASCII file on disk- so is there easily available a >> utility to massage WordStar output? There are utilities that will do this, but why don't you try using WordStar's own nondocument mode? ------------------------------ Date: 13 Dec 90 21:48:10 GMT From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!julius.cs.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!iboga!berger@ucsd.edu (Mike Berger) Subject: uniform and 8 inch cpm formats on AT controllers Message-ID: <1990Dec13.214810.21079@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> I have hooked up 8" drives to standard XT floppy disk controllers with some slight additional circuitry. I was able to use the Maynard FDC drivers in Uniform. I am not sure whether the additional hardware is necessary for an AT disk controller. -- Mike Berger Department of Statistics, University of Illinois AT&TNET 217-244-6067 Internet berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu ------------------------------ Date: 13 Dec 90 20:27:57 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!gvgpsa!gold.gvg.tek.com!grege@uunet.uu.net (Greg Ebert) Subject: uniform and 8 inch cpm formats on AT controllers Message-ID: <1798@gold.gvg.tek.com> The 1.2M floppy format uses the same data-transfer rate as an 8" drive (500Kbits/sec). This is also true for 1.44M drives. 360K floppies use the standard 250Kbits/sec. All IBM formats use MFM (Double-density). CP/M uses FM (single density), and MFM. ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #204 ************************************* 16-Dec-90 07:25:56-MST,9547;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sun, 16 Dec 90 07:15:09 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #205 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901216071510.V90N205@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Sun, 16 Dec 90 Volume 90 : Issue 205 Today's Topics: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #203 Is MIX C still available for cp/m? Massaging WStar output Need WordStar utility (4 msgs) PBBS 4.5: the sequel? uniform and 8 inch cpm formats on AT controllers You don't need a WordStar utility ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Dec 90 11:04 CDT From: Arun Baheti Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #203 RE: WordStar Utility Try Irv Hoff's FILT7, which should be available on your local RCP/M or SIMTEL20. If all else fails, message me and I will send you a copy. FILT7 is pretty good, and has several options built into the program. Its other upside is that it is fast and small (ie: it won't hog a chunk of your disk space). --ab ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Dec 90 15:05 CST From: LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA Subject: Is MIX C still available for cp/m? Message-ID: Hello everyone, Some time ago someone on this newsgroup mentioned a C compiler by MIX Software for cp/m. Does anyone know if this compiler is still available? As I recall, the package was around $25US and included a book on C, does anyone have any other details to share? Your assistance is appreciated. Lance Tagliapietra taglance@ucs.uwplatt.edu or taglance@uwplatt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 90 12:24 EDT From: Roly Poly Milk Tins Subject: Massaging WStar output THere is a program called VDOEDIT (sp?) in Simtel that is a raw-text word processor with WORDSTAR COMMANDS!!! (which I assume is the only reason why you'd want to hold on to WS despite its peculiarity). In fact, the "binary" elements in the WOrdstar output can be removed, I think, by "clearing" the MSB (bit 7) of each byte. Word star uses all ASCII code for formating (unlike, say, WOrdPerfect), so getting rid of the end- of-word markers would just do fine. -John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 1990 19:29:05 PST From: sprague.wbst311@xerox.com Subject: Need WordStar utility Message-ID: <"14-Dec-90 22:29:05 EST".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com> > Even in non-document mode, WordStar will set the high bit of the character > the cursor is on at the time of the disk save. Hmmmm, time to play with WordStar again. I have never had that happen to me (in 3.3 and 4.0). Not that I don't believe it, mind you, I just want to see it for myself. :-) ~ Mike (Sprague.Wbst311@Xerox.Com) ------------------------------ Date: 14 Dec 90 04:57:52 GMT From: van-bc!ve7apu!smits@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Bob Smits - VE7EMD) Subject: Need WordStar utility Message-ID: <1990Dec14.045752.21810@ve7apu.uucp> Expires: References: <16529@s.ms.uky.edu> <4474@sactoh0.SAC.CA.US> Sender:Robert Sts Reply-To: smits@ve7apu.UUCP (PUT YOUR NAME HERE) Followup-To: Distribution: na Organization: VADCG, Richmond, B.C. Keywords: In article <4474@sactoh0.SAC.CA.US> tcs@sactoh0.SAC.CA.US (Ted C. Smith) writes: >> Files created with WordStar must contain some binary characters, which >is >> ruining the "raw" upload of program code to the uC board. >> >Actually, I doubt that anyone created such a program for CP/M as PIP was >available to all way back in the begining. The command to use is >PIP B:newfile.txt=A:oldfile.ws[Z]. > >In the DOS world, a couple of utility programs are available. For >example, XWORD converts WordStar to a number of different formats, >including ASCII. > When I was still using my old WordStar on an 8080 S-100 CPM system, used Irv Hoff's "filt.com" program. It would strip all the high order bits, etc and give you a plain ASCII file. It's probably available on CompuSee's CPM forum. (My version is probably buried in the basemenon an 8" floppy....somewhere....maybe) A similar program is available froStarFixer called FileFixer that does a similar job for MSDOS WordStar afficionados. Good Luck in your search. Bob ------------------------------ Date: 14 Dec 90 13:59:44 GMT From: tindle@g.ms.uky.edu (Ken Tindle) Subject: Need WordStar utility Message-ID: <16548@s.ms.uky.edu> In article <699@organpipe.UUCP> tom@afthree.as.arizona.edu (Thomas J. Trebisky) writes: >The thing to do (perhaps you know this) is to run wordstar in >non-document mode - then you read and write plain old ascii files and >all is well. Even in non-document mode, WordStar will set the high bit of the character the cursor is on at the time of the disk save. It's entirely too nervous for my application, unless the output is filtered through an external utility. >Just talked to my CPM guru nextdoor and he says to write a simple >filter that does this - >Read the file byte by byte. >Force the high bit in every byte to zero on every byte read. >Delete every byte that is < 0x20 (blank) and that is >not 0x09, 0x0a, 0x0c, 0r 0x0d (tab,newline,formfeed,return). Now that is good advice- too bad the original authors of WordStar were too brain-dead re:ascii files. There's no reason they couldn't have built this code into the program- except nobody's perfect; I guess they didn't think of it? I dunno, except they do massage the file for video display, just not to disk. Not too bright. --------------------------\ /----------------------------------------------- INTERNET:tindle@ms.uky.edu | "Could you please continue the petty bickering? BITNET: tindle@ukma.bitnet | I find it most intriguing." --- Data, Ken Tindle - Lexington, KY | Star Trek, The Next Generation, "Haven" --------------------------/ \----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 14 Dec 90 16:30:01 GMT From: rex!samsung!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!ea.ecn.purdue.edu!wieland@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Jeffrey J Wieland) Subject: Need WordStar utility Message-ID: <1990Dec14.163001.6774@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> In article <699@organpipe.UUCP> tom@afthree.as.arizona.edu (Thomas J. Trebisky) writes: >In article <16529@s.ms.uky.edu> tindle@ms.uky.edu (Ken Tindle) writes: >>Files created with WordStar must contain some binary characters, which is >>ruining the "raw" upload of program code to the uC board. >>I need a real, flat ASCII file on disk- so is there easily available a >>utility to massage WordStar output? > >Just talked to my CPM guru nextdoor and he says to write a simple >filter that does this - >Read the file byte by byte. >Force the high bit in every byte to zero on every byte read. > >ttrebisky@as.arizona.edu (internet) With WordStar 4.0 for CP/M, you have a couple of options. You can force it to open a file in non-document mode from the command line: ws filename.ext n If you do accidently create a file in document mode, you can always use good ol' pip to strip the high bits off: pip ascii.txt:=highbits.doc[z] WordStar 4.0 can also strip the high bits. Re-open the file in non-document mode, then use ^B (I believe -- it might be ^^) to convert the file to an ascii file. Use ^QQ^B, and then WordStar do its stuff. -- Jeff Wieland wieland@acn.purdue.edu ------------------------------ Date: 14 Dec 90 14:18:52 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!uniwa!vax7!nmurrayr@uunet.uu.net Subject: PBBS 4.5: the sequel? Message-ID: <5135.27694fcc@cc.curtin.edu.au> What's the latest version of the PBBS BBS program? We have 4.5, but would be interested in anything later than that. I'm working on a Fido mailer system for this and otherrr BBS programs. ....Ron -- Internet: Murray_RJ@cc.curtin.edu.au | "This brain is ACSnet: Murray_RJ@cc.cut.oz.au | intentionally Bitnet: Murray_RJ%cc.curtin.edu.au@cunyvm.bitnet | left blank" UUCP : uunet!munnari.oz!cc.curtin.edu.au!Murray_RJ | ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 1990 19:31:53 PST From: sprague.wbst311@xerox.com Subject: uniform and 8 inch cpm formats on AT controllers Message-ID: <"14-Dec-90 22:31:53 EST".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com> > The 1.2M floppy format uses the same data-transfer rate as an 8" drive > (500Kbits/sec). This is also true for 1.44M drives. > 360K floppies use the standard 250Kbits/sec. Hmmm, I knew both of those, but what is the transfer rate for a quad density drive? I assume 250K bits/sec? ~ Mike ------------------------------ Date: 14 Dec 90 12:38:50 GMT From: mcsun!hp4nl!charon!jurjen@uunet.uu.net (Jurjen NE Bos) Subject: You don't need a WordStar utility Message-ID: <2690@charon.cwi.nl> Sorry if I'm wrong, I did not use WordStar for the last years. Can't you guys strip off the high bits by printing to a file? Worked fine for me the last time I did it. That's a lot easier than using utilities! ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #205 ************************************* 17-Dec-90 02:21:59-MST,11443;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 17 Dec 90 02:15:08 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #206 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901217021509.V90N206@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 17 Dec 90 Volume 90 : Issue 206 Today's Topics: Is MIX C still available for cp/m? Looking for mailing list program for CP/M MIX C Compiler Need description of CP/M filesystem structure PBBS5.0 sat. tracking program for cpm needed uniform and 8 inch cpm formats on AT controllers WordStar 3.3 Wordstar 4.0 For Sale ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 16 Dec 90 18:59:10 GMT From: julius.cs.uiuc.edu!usc!bbn.com!gonzalez@apple.com (Jim Gonzalez) Subject: Is MIX C still available for cp/m? Message-ID: <61602@bbn.BBN.COM> In article TAGLANCE@ucs.UWPLATT.EDU (LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA) writes: >Some time ago someone on this newsgroup mentioned a C compiler by MIX Software >for cp/m. Does anyone know if this compiler is still available? As I recall, >the package was around $25US and included a book on C, does anyone have any >other details to share? Your assistance is appreciated. I have a single-sheet mailing from them from October 1988. The only price they show is a "special student discount price" of $29.95, plus $5 s/h. This package includes the compiler (with 434-page book), a split-screen editor and a windowing source-level debugger. Unfortunately, only the compiler is part of the CP/M version; the other goodies were developed for MS-DOS (the sheet, in fact, is very much MS-DOS-oriented). I don't remember why they sent me the "educational package" price; it may be that that had become their price for all customers. Anyway, for more up-to-date information (it's Sunday, so I can't do it), you can contact them at: Mix Software 1132 Commerce Drive Richardson, TX 75081 214-783-6001 By the way, they claim to support the full K&R standard, including bit fields plus enums and structure assignments. You may not want to use these features yourself, but it's increasingly likely that you'll encounter them in PD source. Just yesterday I was burned by BDS C's refusal to allow static assignment of character arrays. This further complicated building of sgrep from a C Users' Group diskette. I *still* prefer BDS C to Aztec C for stuff I need to run small and fast, though. On the other hand, be sure that these advertised features are actually in the *CP/M* version; many commercial vendors are simply selling older versions, having ceased development years ago. These often started as "subset" compilers, and were done well before enums, etc. became popular. Good luck. Oh yes, please post what you learn, particularly about the status of their CP/M support. -Jim. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 90 14:55:30 GMT From: csus.edu!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!gvlf3.gvl.unisys.com!gvlv2!tredysvr!dvnspc1!tom@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Tom Albrecht) Subject: Looking for mailing list program for CP/M Message-ID: <992@dvnspc1.Dev.Unisys.COM> A group I'm associated with just had a Kaypro 4 donated to them and I'm looking for a mailing list program to get them started. Any suggestions? Does anyone have a pointer to something available thru SIMTEL? Thanks. -- Tom Albrecht ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 90 04:06:16 -0500 From: ac959@cleveland.Freenet.Edu Subject: MIX C Compiler Message-ID: <9012170906.AA19617@cwns1.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 90 15:05 CST From: LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA Subject: Is MIX C still available for cp/m? Message-ID: Hello everyone, Some time ago someone on this newsgroup mentioned a C compiler by MIX Software for cp/m. Does anyone know if this compiler is still available? As I recall, the package was around $25US and included a book on C, does anyone have any other details to share? Your assistance is appreciated. Lance Tagliapietra taglance@ucs.uwplatt.edu or taglance@uwplatt ======================== ======================== Hello Lance, yes I'm the one with the MIX C compiler (CP/M version) for sale. Yes, it includes and excellent C tutorial in the 430 page manual. The price is $20.00 plus $5.00 for S&H (UPS ground in the continental US). I will quote shipping charges to other areas. The MIX C compiler is a full K & R implementation of the C language. The system requirements are: CP/M-80 (2.0 or higher) 55K memory 2 disk drives (or HD) Z80 CPU I can install the software on many UNIFORM supported 5.25", CP/M disk formats, but the only ones that I can test are TeleVideo and 360K IBM formats. If you can transfer the files from one of those, I suggest you order in that format. I can also arrange for you to download the software from my BBS. Feel free to send e-mail or call for additional information. Take care. ### -- Ed Grey \*\ Sysop of The Grey Matter BBS & RCP/M 213-971-6260 P.O. Box #2186 \*\ Bitnet: ac959%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm Inglewood, CA 90305 \*\ Internet: ac959@cleveland.freenet.edu USA \**\ voice: 213-759-7406 \**\ Fidonet: 1:102/752 ------------------------------ Date: 14 Dec 90 23:04:04 GMT From: ub.d.umn.edu!cs.umn.edu!quest!starfire!john@speedy.wisc.edu (John Lind) Subject: Need description of CP/M filesystem structure Message-ID: <607@starfire.UUCP> Thanks to all those who replied -- I was sent a program which reads and writes CP/M floppies right on my system -- just what I wanted! -- John Lind, Starfire Consulting Services E-mail: john@starfire.MN.ORG USnail: PO Box 13001, Mpls MN 55414 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 90 04:09:08 -0500 From: ac959@cleveland.Freenet.Edu Subject: PBBS5.0 Message-ID: <9012170909.AA19718@cwns1.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: 14 Dec 90 14:18:52 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!uniwa!vax7!nmurrayr@uunet.uu.net Subject: PBBS 4.5: the sequel? Message-ID: <5135.27694fcc@cc.curtin.edu.au> What's the latest version of the PBBS BBS program? We have 4.5, but would be interested in anything later than that. I'm working on a Fido mailer system for this and otherrr BBS programs. ....Ron -- Internet: Murray_RJ@cc.curtin.edu.au | "This brain is ACSnet: Murray_RJ@cc.cut.oz.au | intentionally Bitnet: Murray_RJ%cc.curtin.edu.au@cunyvm.bitnet | left blank" UUCP : uunet!munnari.oz!cc.curtin.edu.au!Murray_RJ | ========================== ========================== The latest version of PBBS is 5.0. It was released in Nov. '90 and it's available on several RCP/Ms here in the US. Take care. ### -- Ed Grey \*\ Sysop of The Grey Matter BBS & RCP/M 213-971-6260 P.O. Box #2186 \*\ Bitnet: ac959%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm Inglewood, CA 90305 \*\ Internet: ac959@cleveland.freenet.edu USA \**\ voice: 213-759-7406 \**\ Fidonet: 1:102/752 ------------------------------ Date: 15 Dec 90 23:56:26 GMT From: usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu!ephillip%magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu@apple.com (Earl W Phillips) Subject: sat. tracking program for cpm needed Message-ID: Can anyone tell me where I can get a satellite tracking program for a cp/m machine? Specifically, I'd like to be able to use it to locate a satellite so I can take a picture of it as it passes overhead. I can ftp, plus I have access to the keplerian info for the shuttle when it's up, tho' I also need a source for the keplerian info for other satellites. Any help will be greatly appreciated, and please remember, I have a cp/m machine. Even a basic program would be terrific! Thanx in advance! ***************************************************************** * | ====@==== //////// * * ephillip@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu | ``______// * * | `----' * * -JR- | Space;.....the final * * | frontier............ * ***************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 16 Dec 90 01:35:37 GMT From: csusac!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Ian Justman) Subject: uniform and 8 inch cpm formats on AT controllers Message-ID: <3X19T1w163w@ijpc.UUCP> sprague.wbst311@XEROX.COM writes: > > > The 1.2M floppy format uses the same data-transfer rate as an 8" drive > > (500Kbits/sec). This is also true for 1.44M drives. > > > 360K floppies use the standard 250Kbits/sec. > > Hmmm, I knew both of those, but what is the transfer rate for a quad density > drive? I assume 250K bits/sec? What do you mean by "quad"? I've heard it used several different ways. Quad meaning either the high density disks (1200k), or the DD 96tpi. If you're talking about the latter, it should be the same rate as DSDD, 48tpi. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 90 04:10:47 -0500 From: ac959@cleveland.Freenet.Edu Subject: WordStar 3.3 Message-ID: <9012170910.AA19801@cwns1.INS.CWRU.Edu> I have original, brand new, WordStar 3.3 for sale. Software is on 8 inch diskette (Xerox) and it has a deluxe manual (with 3 ring binder). This software is registerable and upgradable, even to WordStar 6.0 (for DOS if you're so inclined). I can transfer the WordStar to 5.25" diskette (TeleVideo CP/M or IBM format suggested) that is supported by UNIFORM, but those are the 2 that I can test. The price is $30.00 plus $5.00 for S&H (UPS ground, anywhere in the continental US). I can quote you shipping charges to other areas. Thanks and take care. ### -- Ed Grey \*\ Sysop of The Grey Matter BBS & RCP/M 213-971-6260 P.O. Box #2186 \*\ Bitnet: ac959%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm Inglewood, CA 90305 \*\ Internet: ac959@cleveland.freenet.edu USA \**\ voice: 213-759-7406 \**\ Fidonet: 1:102/752 ------------------------------ Date: 16 Dec 90 18:41:16 GMT From: usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!lavaca.uh.edu!menudo.uh.edu!lobster!urchin!Doug.Platt@ucsd.edu (Doug Platt) Subject: Wordstar 4.0 For Sale Message-ID: <4226.276BE078@urchin.fidonet.org> For Sale: Wordstar 4.0 (CP/M version) includes original 6 discs, original manual, and additional third-party instructional book $50 plus you pay postage/shipping If interested, write back. Will contact first to reply for shipping info. ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #206 ************************************* 17-Dec-90 18:28:31-MST,10899;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 17 Dec 90 18:15:26 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #207 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901217181527.V90N207@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 17 Dec 90 Volume 90 : Issue 207 Today's Topics: Alaskan RCP/M Sysop Needs Help cpm companion Is MIX C still available for cp/m? Looking for Turbo Pascal, any 5in 1/4 format. uniform and 8 inch cpm formats on AT controllers (2 msgs) Wordstar and the high bit WSTAR printing to files (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Dec 90 04:20:47 -0500 From: ac959@cleveland.Freenet.Edu Subject: Alaskan RCP/M Sysop Needs Help Message-ID: <9012170920.AA20190@cwns1.INS.CWRU.Edu> The following is a copy of a message, posted on The Grey Matter BBS & RCP/M, by William Hicks who is an RCP/M sysop in Alaska. Can anybody help? ******************** Folder: General Msg. # 7376 Dated: 12/16/90 (R) Subj: CP/M Note (Private) To: Ed Grey From: William Hicks Left 11:58:39, 12/16/90 O.K. I need any and all information on what software I would use to get connected to fido-net and or internet using my kaypro10 (cpm 2.2) and or my epson qx-10 (cpm-86) also need an updated listing of fido net BBS's that I can connect to. My address is: William Hicks 4129 San Ernesto #3c Anchorage Ak 99508 Voice (907) 338 0663 Data (907) 338 0960 (300/1200/2400) 24 hrs a day. press return a few times to connect with asgard, leave a message anywhere and I will find it. Also I am looking for any software, support, ect for the following machines: Compustar vpu30 (Need info on the networking of the machines) Vector 4 (Need a Boot disk with Imp or Mdm7 or anything to get more on the format) Epson qx-10 (Looking for any and all epson software and hardware) Gnat system 9 (S-100, 8 " drives, cpm 1.4, 17 years old). Need a MDM program for the gant, setting up a multi-line BBS on it) Kaypro 2/4/10 (Any kaypro specific software, also an upgrade to a larger drive and a clock (advent chip needed) Also, looking to buy the original flight simulator written forCPM by micro-soft circa 1977 or there abouts. ...Also collecting any and alll PD/SW BBS's desigened for cpm and or the source code if not for cpm, lanbguages looking for are BAsic, PAscal, C, Assembly, and or others that have Cpm implementions. .....Any and alll help greatly apprectaied, we are in the middle of nowhere up here in AK (1/3 of the US in area, 1/8 of the population of San Diego.) End quoted message****** ###  -- Ed Grey \*\ Sysop of The Grey Matter BBS & RCP/M 213-971-6260 P.O. Box #2186 \*\ Bitnet: ac959%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm Inglewood, CA 90305 \*\ Internet: ac959@cleveland.freenet.edu USA \**\ voice: 213-759-7406 \**\ Fidonet: 1:102/752 ------------------------------ Date: 17 Dec 90 17:27:55 GMT From: beguine!Mack.Goodman@mcnc.org (Mack Goodman) Subject: cpm companion Message-ID: <1949@beguine.UUCP> Could someone help me out a bit. I have found an old Device called a CP/M Companion 2.2. This is a small case with a handle on it. It has a disk drive and a small light on the front which says "virtual disk" next to it. It has three rs-232 type ports on it labelled, parallel, modem/host, and terminal. Do you know what this is and if it is worth while for meto try to use it? I have an Apple IIe. I thought maybe the disk drive might be useful or maybe some of the chips??? Any thoughts? I would also consider selling it if someone wants it. Please e-mail to mdgoodma@crdec8.apgea.army.mil or you may reply here. But the e-mail address is preferred. Thanks, ------------------------------ Date: 17 Dec 90 15:12:14 GMT From: van-bc!cynic!pevans@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Phillip Evans) Subject: Is MIX C still available for cp/m? Message-ID: <4eXBu4w163w@cynic.wimsey.bc.ca> pevans@cynic.wimsey.bc.ca (Phillip Evans) writes: > gonzalez@bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez) writes: > [...some stuff deleted...] > > > > By the way, they claim to support the full K&R standard, including bit > > fields plus enums and structure assignments. You may not want to use these > > features yourself, but it's increasingly likely that you'll encounter them > > in PD source. Just yesterday I was burned by BDS C's refusal to allow > > static assignment of character arrays. This further complicated building > > of sgrep from a C Users' Group diskette. I *still* prefer BDS C to Aztec C > > for stuff I need to run small and fast, though. > > > > On the other hand, be sure that these advertised features are actually > > in the *CP/M* version; many commercial vendors are simply selling older > > versions, having ceased development years ago. These often started as > > "subset" compilers, and were done well before enums, etc. became popular. > > Good luck. > > > > Oh yes, please post what you learn, particularly about the status of their > > CP/M support. > > > > -Jim. > Sorry about the messed up quoting above, guys. Still learning this editor. Anyway I ahve MIX C for CP/M and it IS K&R standard. The split screen editor is a seperate package, which I also have. The editor uses a lot of overlays, so it would be slow on a floppy; on a HD it's ok, on a ramdisk it would be great. It's a very complete editor - you can redefine EVERYTHING, it does macros, it works on disk based files (there's another slowdown) and it comes quite well documented. All this I got some (3?) years ago so it might not be available but if it is go for it. The compiler has BIOS routines, a speedup optimizer, and a shrink optimizer, and a linker I think. The tutorial is really good - you can learn C from it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 90 19:27:55 IST From: "Jacques J. Goldberg" Subject: Looking for Turbo Pascal, any 5in 1/4 format. Anybody willing to give out / sell her/his Turbo-Pascal for CP/M? Or can it be mail-ordered somewhere? phr00jg@technion.technion.ac.il ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 1990 06:16:22 PST From: sprague.wbst311@xerox.com Subject: uniform and 8 inch cpm formats on AT controllers Message-ID: <"17-Dec-90 9:16:22 EST".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com> > What do you mean by "quad"? I've heard it used several different > ways. Quad meaning either the high density disks (1200k), or the > DD 96tpi. If you're talking about the latter, it should be the > same rate as DSDD, 48tpi. Quad density and High density are *NOT* the same thing, even though they both have 96tpi. You did answer my question though. :-) Thanks. ~ Mike (Sprague.Wbst311@Xerox.Com) ------------------------------ Date: 16 Dec 90 00:48:04 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!nosun!qiclab!techbook!fzsitvay@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Frank Zsitvay) Subject: uniform and 8 inch cpm formats on AT controllers Message-ID: <1990Dec16.004804.25409@techbook.com> In article <1990Dec13.220504.25302@simasd.uucp> donm@pnet07.cts.com (Don Maslin) writes: [8 inch to 5.25 inch signal table deleted in the interest of space] >Hope this helps................................... - don it sure does... thanks a bunch... -- fzsitvay@techbook.COM - but don't quote me on that.... American Oil Company motto - Bend over, We'll pump!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 90 01:11:42 PST From: cwr@pnet01.cts.com (Will Rose) Subject: Wordstar and the high bit Message-ID: <009414CF0E8414E0.000010C0@dcs.simpact.com> Generally the first thing you need on a cpm/m machine is a comms program, to dig around BBSs for old software - and the second thing is a filter to strip the junk out of the capture buffers. You can write it in any language you like, but you will surely need it; quite often pip..[Z] makes an acceptable substitute. Wordstar obviously had this question come up too often, because they put a 'print to ASCII file' output into CP/M 4.0, and into all subsequent (MSDOS) versions. If you are editing, not telecommunicating, and don't want the stuff there in the first place, you can set a flag in Wordstar so it comes up in the N mode as a default; then you can only do D editing from the main menu. Or use vde, which doesn't put junk in the file until you tell it to. I've never had Wordstar (3.0 or 3.3) set a bit in an N-edited file at the cursor position; which version were you running? The real problem is a file with a premature ^Z, so that nothing beyond that point can be seen by an editor. DDT is then the only cure. Good luck, anyway - Will ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "If heaven too had passions | Will Rose even heaven would | UUCP: {nosc ucsd hplabs!hp-sdd}!crash!pnet01!cw grow old." - Li Ho. | ARPA: crash!pnet01!cwr@nosc.mil | INET: cwr@pnet01.cts.com UUCP: {nosc ucsd hplabs!hp-sdd}!crash!pnet01!cwr ARPA: crash!pnet01!cwr@nosc.mil INET: cwr@pnet01.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 90 09:46 EDT From: Roly Poly Milk Tins Subject: WSTAR printing to files Nope, printing to a file doesn't work. (It takes forever anyways) I tried to do that so I can print my text files (a wordstar manual) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 90 09:50 EDT From: Roly Poly Milk Tins Subject: WSTAR printing to files Oops. Sorry. Take two... Nope, printing to a file doesn't work. (It takes forever anyways.) I tried to do that so I can print a text file (a PD software manual written in WS) on an IBM-PC. , hopeing that that would get rid of the MSBs. I sat by the computer for over an hour when WS finally told me that there wasn't enough space. The next time, I ran over to the College computer center with a happy grin on my face,... the rest is history. Now I have a two-hundred-page document with LOTS of italics and IBM graphics characters... -John ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #207 ************************************* 18-Dec-90 14:22:55-MST,10110;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 18 Dec 90 14:15:25 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #208 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901218141529.V90N208@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 18 Dec 90 Volume 90 : Issue 208 Today's Topics: Ascii output from WStar/Where can I get WordStar 4.0? Is MIX C still available for cp/m? uniform and 8 inch cpm formats on AT controllers (2 msgs) Wanted: Segate ST506 hard drive WS document to ASCII Z80DMA & DART ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Dec 90 09:45:17 PST From: Ise Henin Subject: Ascii output from WStar/Where can I get WordStar 4.0? Message-ID: <901217094517.ISE2@UVVM.UVic.CA> Subject 1: Ascii output from WStar Using WordStar 3.3 or 3.0, I have no problems creating an ascii file - even though I have not yet figured out the difference between document and non-document mode. I create files without justification, and don't use anything fancy such as underscore or bold. When it is time to save and up-load, I start printing (even though I don't even have a printer yet). One of the options is "print to disk" - this allows me to enter a file-name and save the file. This new file, when uploaded with Kermit, contains no control characters. Subject 2: Where can I get WordStar 4.0? Now a question: I would like to upgrade to WordStar 4.0 (for CP/M 2.24d) I have an IMS (Industrial Micro Systems) machine with the 8 inch floppy disk drives (DD/SD). Any used (and legal) copy with documentation for sale, or an address of a distributor with an idea of cost, would be much appreciated. Ise Henin, User Services Consultant, Computing and Systems Services, University of Victoria, P.O.Box 1800, Victoria, B.C., V8W 2H5, Canada E-mail: or Phone: (604) 721-8281 ------------------------------ Date: 18 Dec 90 19:54:00 GMT From: amethyst!organpipe!afthree.as.arizona.edu!tom@noao.edu (Thomas J. Trebisky) Subject: Is MIX C still available for cp/m? Message-ID: <753@organpipe.UUCP> In article <61602@bbn.BBN.COM> gonzalez@BBN.COM (Jim Gonzalez) writes: > [.....] Just yesterday I was burned by BDS C's refusal to allow >static assignment of character arrays. This further complicated building >of sgrep from a C Users' Group diskette. I *still* prefer BDS C to Aztec C >for stuff I need to run small and fast, though. [....] Some time ago there was a request for information/review of the various CP/M C compilers. I would like to see a posting of the various compilers with their pros and cons. I would be happy to collect this info and post a summary, but I suspect this has alread been done (maybe I missed it?). I have used the Aztec compiler with complete satisfaction, MIX is a new one, I have the BDS 1.50 compiler sitting on the shelf and have not yet given it a try. I have some projects up and coming where I will want to ROM the code, any suggestions on whether Aztec or BDS would be better for this? Actually any hints on ROMing C code for a Z80 controller kind of project would be happily accepted. ttrebisky@as.arizona.edu (Internet) ------------------------------ Date: 17 Dec 90 18:25:03 GMT From: emory!hubcap!ncrcae!ncr-sd!simasd!simasd!pnet07!donm@gatech.edu (Don Maslin) Subject: uniform and 8 inch cpm formats on AT controllers Message-ID: <1990Dec17.182503.12081@simasd.uucp> sprague.wbst311@XEROX.COM writes: >Hmmm, I knew both of those, but what is the transfer rate for a quad density >drive? I assume 250K bits/sec? > Assuming you mean the 96 tpi 720K 5.25", yes. Keeper of the CP/M System Disk | UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm Archives for the Dino(saur)SIG | ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil - San Diego Computer Society - | INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: 18 Dec 90 04:44:55 GMT From: amethyst!organpipe!astro.as.arizona.edu!tom@noao.edu (Thomas J. Trebisky) Subject: uniform and 8 inch cpm formats on AT controllers Message-ID: <748@organpipe.UUCP> Michael_D._Sprague sprague.wbst311@xerox.com writes: > >> The 1.2M floppy format uses the same data-transfer rate as an 8" drive >> (500Kbits/sec). This is also true for 1.44M drives. >> 360K floppies use the standard 250Kbits/sec. >Hmmm, I knew both of those, but what is the transfer rate for a quad density >drive? I assume 250K bits/sec? I believe what is refered to as quad-density is also known as a 720k drive, (the nomenclature is a bit sloppy, quad density means different things in different contexts) and indeed has a 250kb/s xfer rate - the density being acheived by higher track density (96tpi instead of the usual 48tpi). BTW, for you transfer rate trivia freaks, did you know that a floppy written on a 360kb drive and later read on a 1.2M drive (AT, HD 5.25in) has a xfer rate of 300kb/s since the 1.2M drive rotates at 360 rpm, but the 360kb drive rotated at 300rpm - this in part explains why you can read 360kb floppies on such drives, but may have trouble writing to them (the other part is probably the slimmer heads on the 1.2M drive). ------------------------------ Date: 18 Dec 90 15:56:40 GMT From: usc!cs.utexas.edu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!clyde.concordia.ca!ccu.umanitoba.ca!vspicer@ucsd.edu Subject: Wanted: Segate ST506 hard drive Message-ID: <1990Dec18.155640.29962@ccu.umanitoba.ca> Wanted: Segate ST506 hard drive Purpose: Upgrade for Altos 15-5 CP/M MP/M system Price: As cheap as possible. :-) Send replies to: vspicer@ccu.umanitoba.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 90 11:13:40 GMT From: Christopher Currie Subject: WS document to ASCII >If you do accidently [sic] create a file in document mode, you can always use >good ol' pip to strip the high bits off: > pip ascii.txt:=highbits.doc[z] I always used to use this method. An alternative is to get the PD VDE 2.66 editor from Simtel20. With this, you can load up a file in document mode and save it back in non-document mode with the high bits stripped. Frankly after using VDE on CP/M I wouldn't go back to Wordstar 3 unless I absolutely had to (e.g. for a large file which VDE can't handle). However, the high-bit problem isn't the only one you need to get round to produce a pure ASCII file from a WS document file. If you have used print control codes (e.g ^A, ^S, ^T, ^B etc.) you will need to strip those out too. WS 3.3 will replace most of them by nothing in a global replacement, but it won't recognize ^S (underline) in replacement mode. WS 4 (at least the DOS version) will. With VDE, you could write a macro to do it. Alternatively, having stripped the high bits with PIP ..[Z], you would need to run the file through a second filter to get rid of the control codes. The following bit of MS-BASIC code gives an idea: [Initialization] ctrl%="" FOR n= 1 to 9 ctrl%=ctrl%+chr%(n) next for n=11 to 12 ctrl%=ctrl%+chr%(n) next For n=14 to 25 ctrl%=ctrl%+chr%(n) next [leave chr%(10) and (13) in] .... [processing the file] (assumes that infile is no. 1, outfile no. 2) while not eof(1) line input #1, a% for count=1 to len(ctrl%) x=instr(a%,mid%(ctrl%,count,1)) while x >0 mid%(a%,x,1)="":' [or " " if you're worried about zero bytes] x=instr(a%,mid%(ctrl%,count,1)) wend next count print #2,a% wend My syntax may be a bit ropey, but this gives the general idea. Let's have a C version, please. Christopher ------------------------------ Date: 9 Dec 90 11:09:50 GMT From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ira.uka.de!smurf!subnet.sub.net!mcshh!tilmann@ucsd.edu (Tilmann Reh) Subject: Z80DMA & DART Message-ID: <8491@mcshh.hanse.de> Hello. pevans@cynic.wimsey.bc.ca (Phillip Evans) writes: > The DMA gets sent 08hex as one of the first instructions - then it's > not used again by the prom. The DART gets sent this sequence: > 18 01 00 03 C1 04 44 05 68 00 (the last 00 might be superfluous) > Question ONE: What DOES the set of initialisation bytes do? a) The 08h for the DMA means: Port B is I/O and decrements. That seems to be not the whole initialization :-) b) 18 : channel reset 01 00 : all interrupts disable 03 C1 : rx 8 bit, no handshake, rx enable 04 44 : x16 clock mode, 1 stopbit, no parity 05 68 : dtr & rts inactive, tx 8 bit, tx enable 00 : reset internal register pointer > Question TWO: What I need to know here are the meanings of the > bits 0, 4, 5, and 6; The DART status register is as follows: bit 7 : break bit 6 : not used bit 5 : cts bit 4 : ri bit 3 : dcd bit 2 : tx buffer empty bit 1 : int. pending (ch. A only) bit 0 : rx char available > what happens when the status register is loaded with the returned byte > after it is masked with 0000 0001 binary; and what happnes when it is > loaded with 030hex. Be aware that you need only two addresses per channel, so the addresses of the status register and the command register are equal (see init part). So sending 00 to that address resets the internal register pointer (so that the next read-access will safely get the status register). The second output does exactly the same, as the value in A will always be 00. Outputting 30h to the command register means 'error reset'. Hope this may help you. > Thanks in advance to anyone who can answer these questions for me... no reason. Tilmann Reh tilmann@mcshh.uucp tilmann@mcshh.hanse.de ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #208 ************************************* 20-Dec-90 07:21:42-MST,9753;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 20 Dec 90 07:15:05 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #209 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901220071507.V90N209@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 20 Dec 90 Volume 90 : Issue 209 Today's Topics: C Compiler for CP/M-86 MIX C for CPM Need WordStar utility turbo pascal uniform and 8 inch cpm formats on AT controllers UUCP and CPM Plus Where can I get WordStar 4.0 Z-DOS format? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 19 Dec 90 10:22:29 GMT From: csusac!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Ian Justman) Subject: C Compiler for CP/M-86 Message-ID: <6B0eu1w163w@ijpc.UUCP> Just wondering, does anyone have the Code Innovations C compiler for CP/M-86? I'm thinking of fudging an old version of YAM that I snagged from Thousand Oaks to work with my CompuPro 8/16 running Concurrent DOS (and mebbe I *MIGHT* let Marc Wilson have a copy of it too (just ribbin' ya, Marc)). The code I got from TO was ported to CI's C, and I'm having a hell of a time trying to port it to Aztec C for CP/M-86. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Dec 90 01:58:07 GMT From: rayssd!jak@uunet.uu.net (John A. King) Subject: MIX C for CPM Message-ID: <328@sgfb.ssd.ray.com> Yes, MIX is alive and well and selling MIX C for CPM. I just ordered a copy on 8-inch floppy. I'll post how I like it when I receive it and use it a while. Their phone number: 214-783-6001 (Texas) They take most flavors of credit cards, and the price is only $19.95! No affiliation with MIX. John. -- John King WA1ABI C-172 N20327 R100/7 ---------- -------- ------------ ------ Internet: jak@sgfb.ssd.ray.com UUCP: {decuac,gatech,mimsy,mirror,necntc,sun,uiucdcs,ukma}!rayssdb!jak --------------------------------------- The opinions expressed herein are mine. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Dec 90 15:32:16 GMT From: ulysses!rick!ahm@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Andy Meyer) Subject: Need WordStar utility Message-ID: <429@rick.att.com> In article <16548@s.ms.uky.edu> tindle@ms.uky.edu (Ken Tindle) writes: > In article <699@organpipe.UUCP> tom@afthree.as.arizona.edu (Thomas J. Trebisky) writes: > >The thing to do (perhaps you know this) is to run wordstar in > >non-document mode - then you read and write plain old ascii files and > >all is well. > > Even in non-document mode, WordStar will set the high bit of the character ...but only if you've pressed ^B at anytime during the edit! As someone mentioned, use PIP to filter the file: A>PIP NOHIBITS.TXT=HIBITS.TXT[Z] Andy -- Andreas Meyer, N2FYE > > > > > > > > > Internet: ahm@rick.att.com "Ausgezeichnet!" < < < < < < < < < uucp: ..att!rick!ahm ------------------------------ Date: 18 Dec 90 23:09:53 GMT From: sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu!ephillip%magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu@ucsd.edu (Earl W Phillips) Subject: turbo pascal Message-ID: Someone posted a request for turbo pascal on a 5-1/4" disk. I have turbo pascal an both 8" and 5-1/4". Email me if you haven't already got it, and we'll aange to mail you a copy. ***************************************************************** * | ====@==== //////// * * ephillip@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu | ``______// * * | `----' * * -JR- | Space;.....the final * * | frontier............ * ***************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 90 19:57 CST From: LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA Subject: uniform and 8 inch cpm formats on AT controllers Message-ID: X-News: ucs.uwplatt.edu comp.os.cpm:204 >From: tom@astro.as.arizona.edu (Thomas J. Trebisky) >Subject:Re: uniform and 8 inch cpm formats on AT controllers >Date: 18 Dec 90 04:44:55 GMT >Message-ID:<748@organpipe.UUCP> >Michael_D._Sprague sprague.wbst311@xerox.com writes: >> >>> The 1.2M floppy format uses the same data-transfer rate as an 8" drive >>> (500Kbits/sec). This is also true for 1.44M drives. >>> 360K floppies use the standard 250Kbits/sec. >>Hmmm, I knew both of those, but what is the transfer rate for a quad density >>drive? I assume 250K bits/sec? > >I believe what is refered to as quad-density is also known as a 720k drive, >(the nomenclature is a bit sloppy, quad density means different things in >different contexts) and indeed has a 250kb/s xfer rate - the density being >acheived by higher track density (96tpi instead of the usual 48tpi). > >BTW, for you transfer rate trivia freaks, did you know that a floppy written >on a 360kb drive and later read on a 1.2M drive (AT, HD 5.25in) has a xfer >rate of 300kb/s since the 1.2M drive rotates at 360 rpm, but the 360kb drive >rotated at 300rpm - this in part explains why you can read 360kb floppies on >such drives, but may have trouble writing to them (the other part is probably >the slimmer heads on the 1.2M drive). I thought that 1.2M floppy drives had a speed select line that allowed the speed to be switched between 300rpm and 360rpm.....O.K. here it is from an article in "The Computer Journal" from issue 44, page 17: ... It [a 1.2meg drive] is an 80 track double-sided drive, that, when pin 2 is pulled low, increases its rotational speed to 360 rpm. At the same time, the NEC 765 floppy controller doubles its data rate to 500K bits/sec, and writes 15 sectors of 512 bytes/sector. Since pin 2 is normally low, the drive ends up spinning at 360 rpm, unless allowed to change in the controller hardware (a speed select latch??). Lance Tagliapietra ------------------------------ Date: 19 Dec 90 22:55:26 GMT From: eru!hagbard!sunic!mcsun!ukc!axion!tharr!pm111@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Paul Martin) Subject: UUCP and CPM Plus Message-ID: <1524@tharr.UUCP> In article ns@iddth2.id.dk (Nick Sandru (langt haar)) writes: >>What is the convention for the "true" file length byte in CPM Plus? >>(It's set by setting flag f6' and putting the byte value in CR). >>I assume it is the number of unused bytes in the last sector. Is this right? > >It is the number of the _used_ bytes in the last 128-byte record. If that's so, is a value of zero in this place mean that the last block contains 128 used bytes? The "unused bytes" scenario seems more natural... Clarification anyone? -- If life is just a bowl of cherries, you'd better watch out for the stones. Paul Martin. pm111@tharr.uucp INTERNET: pm111%tharr.uucp@ukc.ac.uk <-- tharr *free* public access to Usenet in the UK 0234 261804 --> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 90 7:52:49 EST From: "Paul V. Pullen" Subject: Where can I get WordStar 4.0 Message-ID: <9012190752.aa16059@CRDEC4.APGEA.ARMY.MIL> Ise Henin asked the question "Where can I get WordStar 4.0?" I would recommend that he talk directly with Micropro. When I bought the upgrade for my Intertec Compustars, I had to get WS4 for my home Kaypro, and do an electronic transfer to the Intertecs. I got Micropro's permission to do this type of transfer. They had WordStar 4.0 in stock on a series of systems, but not mine. I bought 2 copies, and did the electronic transfer, and have 4.0 working fine on my systems. The number I have is 800-227-5609, extension 769. They are located at: Micropro International Corporation 33 San Pablo Avenue San Rafael, CA 94903 One and a half years ago, Micropro still was available to assist me in an installation problem. That was super for an 'obsolete' operating system. Other software houses have not been anywhere as helpful with their stock answer 'We don't support CP/M any more', or 'CP/M, what's that?' Other phone numbers for Micropro from the installation manual are 415-499-8864 415-499-5693 (for WordStar CP/M Edition) Hours listed 6:00 am to 6:00 pm Pacific Time. Good Luck Paul Pullen --------------------------------------------------------------- Paul V. Pullen pvpullen@crdec2.apgea.army.mil U.S. Army Chemical Research, Development, & Engineering Center Aberdeen Proving Grounds, MD 21010-5423 (301)671-2519 --------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 20 Dec 90 13:33:04 GMT From: cs.utexas.edu!samsung!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!crdgw1!crdos1!davidsen@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Wm E Davidsen Jr) Subject: Z-DOS format? Message-ID: <3078@crdos1.crd.ge.COM> Does anyone have documentation on the format of Z-DOS 32 sector (hard sector) disks? -- bill davidsen (davidsen@crdos1.crd.GE.COM -or- uunet!crdgw1!crdos1!davidsen) VMS is a text-only adventure game. If you win you can use unix. ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #209 ************************************* 21-Dec-90 11:19:55-MST,7865;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 21 Dec 90 11:15:18 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #210 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901221111520.V90N210@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 21 Dec 90 Volume 90 : Issue 210 Today's Topics: 820-II disk addons BBS / dial-in anonymous in New Enland Information on UART MK3884N-4 wanted Kaypro II communications at high baud rates Looking for S-100 front panel box uniform and 8 inch cpm formats on AT controllers UUCP and CPM Plus (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 20 Dec 90 20:57:01 GMT From: sdd.hp.com!usc!pollux.usc.edu!mlinar@ucsd.edu (Mitch Mlinar) Subject: 820-II disk addons Message-ID: <28970@usc> In article SABAHE@MACALSTR.EDU ("Arun Baheti ") writes: > >system, but I'm sure its possible. You might try calling Mitch >Mlinar's BBS in Torrance, CA for information, or if you can't reach >it leave me a message and I will help you track down some software. You might, but it won't work. As of two months ago, I moved to Thousand Oaks. My BBS will not be on-line until the end of January. For those of you interested, the number will be (805) 493-4978... -Mitch ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 90 15:45 EDT From: Roly Poly Milk Tins Subject: BBS / dial-in anonymous in New Enland 'Tis the season to be dollying around at home with my dear QX-10, and I thought I'd explore my local area with my new almost-ready modem. Does anybody know of a BBS site and/or a dial-in anonymous login in Tri-State thru New England area? I live in Werstern Mass. (Amherst exchange) and hope to not spend too much $$ on phone bills... Thnx in Advns! -John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 90 18:09:33 GMT From: J Jackson Subject: Information on UART MK3884N-4 wanted Message-ID: <1975.9012201809@csunb0.dcs.leeds.ac.uk> I know this isn't directly CPM but I have a Multiplexor box based on Z80's and I'm wanting to program it. The UART's are MK3884N-4 's for which I have been unable to unearth any data. Can anybody provide a programming summary ? or other help cheers Jim Jackson Email : School of Computer Studies UK - JANET : jj@uk.ac.leeds.dcs Leeds University Internet : jj@dcs.leeds.ac.uk Leeds LS2 9JT UK Phone : +44 532 335451 ======================================================================= Opinions! What Opinions? I just wield the brush round here. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Dec 90 21:05:23 GMT From: usc!pollux.usc.edu!mlinar@apple.com (Mitch Mlinar) Subject: Kaypro II communications at high baud rates Message-ID: <28971@usc> With the KayPLUS ROM, I can run at a peak of 4800 baud. I can't quite remember, but I think that consecutive screen-clears will ultimately cause a char to be dropped. The uC ROM is no better than the Kaypro ROM regarding screen update speed. In other words, it is not very good. However, one should note that the 6845 setup on the Kaypro is a poor h/w job; the video s/w is stuck with all the work and handshaking and timing -- no fun at all. The uC and Kaypro original s/w tried to compensate and ended up with an effective but slower solution. -Mitch ------------------------------ Date: 20 Dec 90 20:38:03 GMT From: usc!hamal.usc.edu!mead@apple.com (Dick Mead) Subject: Looking for S-100 front panel box Message-ID: <28969@usc> If you happen to have an old S-100 mainframe box with front panel (similar to IMSAI panel) that you'd like to get rid of for a few dollars, drop a note to me. I already have a Wameco (sp?) digital readout type display, so what I am looking for is the LED type. I believe there were 3 common systems sold with LED front panels. I am looking for intact front panels and motherboard/box/power supplies, nothing mangled, please. Dick Mead mead@hamal.usc.edu ------------------------------ Date: 16 Dec 90 18:23:54 GMT From: att!fang!alfred!tous!tarpit!bilver!bill@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Bill Vermillion) Subject: uniform and 8 inch cpm formats on AT controllers Message-ID: <1990Dec16.182354.14691@bilver.uucp> In article <"14-Dec-90.22:31:53.EST".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com> sprague.wbst311@xerox.com writes: > >> The 1.2M floppy format uses the same data-transfer rate as an 8" drive >> (500Kbits/sec). This is also true for 1.44M drives. > >> 360K floppies use the standard 250Kbits/sec. > >Hmmm, I knew both of those, but what is the transfer rate for a quad density >drive? I assume 250K bits/sec? > "Quad density" is a mis-nomer. It started many many years ago when someone (I think it was Micropolis) was able to reduce the step positions reliably. The first drives were 100 tpi (that's right), later to become 96 tpi so that you could double step 96 tpi to read 48 tpi disks. "Quad density" is an advertising gimmick that stuck. It is nothing more than double density with twice the tracks, erg "quad capacity" should have been the name. Transfer rate is the same 250K/bits/sec. 8" single density is also this rate, only the DD use 500k, which was only about 15% slower than first PC hard drives -- Bill Vermillion - UUCP: uunet!tarpit!bilver!bill : bill@bilver.UUCP ------------------------------ Date: 20 Dec 90 21:09:15 GMT From: usc!pollux.usc.edu!mlinar@ucsd.edu (Mitch Mlinar) Subject: UUCP and CPM Plus Message-ID: <28972@usc> Regarding the "length byte" in CP/M 3.0. Checking my CP/M Plus manual, it is indeed the length in bytes (module 128). Thus, a value of "00" means the sector is full. In fact, that is the default because it is up to the application to set this value. There are FEW programs which worry or care about the length of the last sector in CP/M since there was never this mechanism in CP/M 2.2 which is still the mainstay (or clone-stay) of CP/M these days. Unless you are strictly in CP/M+ land and ALL of your applications know it, use of this byte is of no help. -Mitch ------------------------------ Date: 20 Dec 90 22:37:22 GMT From: van-bc!cynic!pevans@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Phillip Evans) Subject: UUCP and CPM Plus Message-ID: pm111@tharr.UUCP (Paul Martin) writes: > In article ns@iddth2.id.dk (Nick Sandru (langt haar)) w > > >>What is the convention for the "true" file length byte in CPM Plus? > >>(It's set by setting flag f6' and putting the byte value in CR). > >>I assume it is the number of unused bytes in the last sector. Is this right > > > >It is the number of the _used_ bytes in the last 128-byte record. > > If that's so, is a value of zero in this place mean that the last block > contains 128 used bytes? The "unused bytes" scenario seems more natural... > > Clarification anyone? > The DR CP/M 3 manual says "This facility can identify THE LAST BYTE of the last record of the file." Whether DR counts beginning at 0 or at 1 is not stated. However, the value is set to 0 when the file is created and has a zero length. Maybe you have to look at the record count in this case to deduce what number DR starts with. ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #210 ************************************* 24-Dec-90 06:34:06-MST,9135;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 24 Dec 90 06:15:16 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #211 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901224061517.V90N211@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 24 Dec 90 Volume 90 : Issue 211 Today's Topics: Information on UART MK3884N-4 wanted Kaypro II communications at high baud rates (2 msgs) Looking for mailing list program for CP/M pickles and trout cp/m load error 99 Quantum drives The guy with the Osborne1... Where can I get a KayPLUS ROM ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 22 Dec 90 23:53:05 GMT From: crash!mwilson@nosc.mil (Marc Wilson) Subject: Information on UART MK3884N-4 wanted Message-ID: <6470@crash.cts.com> In article <1975.9012201809@csunb0.dcs.leeds.ac.uk> jj@dcs.leeds.ac.uk (J Jackson) writes: >I know this isn't directly CPM but I have a Multiplexor box based on Z80's >and I'm wanting to program it. The UART's are MK3884N-4 's for which >I have been unable to unearth any data. Can anybody provide a >programming summary ? or other help It's an SIO. According to Mostek's 1985 data book, the 3884 is the version that has *TxCB and *RxCB bonded together. Any Z80 data book should have what you need. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Marc Wilson ARPA: ...!crash!mwilson@nosc.mil ...!crash!pnet01!pro-sol!mwilson@nosc.mil UUCP: [ cbosgd | hp-sdd!hplabs | sdcsvax | nosc ]!crash!mwilson INET: mwilson@crash.CTS.COM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Marc Wilson ARPA: ...!crash!mwilson@nosc.mil ...!crash!pnet01!pro-sol!mwilson@nosc.mil UUCP: [ cbosgd | hp-sdd!hplabs | sdcsvax | nosc ]!crash!mwilson INET: mwilson@crash.CTS.COM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: 21 Dec 90 21:58:41 GMT From: comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!ewen@uunet.uu.net (Ewen McNeill) Subject: Kaypro II communications at high baud rates Message-ID: <1990Dec21.215841.23232@actrix.gen.nz> In article <28971@usc> mlinar@pollux.usc.edu (Mitch Mlinar) writes: > > With the KayPLUS ROM, I can run at a peak of 4800 baud. I can't quite > remember, but I think that consecutive screen-clears will ultimately cause > a char to be dropped. > IMHO that is a little silly. My terminal program (runs in the native mode of my CP/M machine) traps that. I did this mostly because the screen is bit-mapped (16K) and takes _ages_ to clear (well, ages in processor time!). Some of the BB systems I know (Opus particularly) send 3 or 4 clear screen sequences. I would have thought that any reasonable bios/comms program would have the same trap. -- Ewen McNeill. Email: ewen@actrix.gen.nz ------------------------------ Date: 22 Dec 90 02:06:22 GMT From: usc!eve.usc.edu!mlinar@ucsd.edu (Mitch Mlinar) Subject: Kaypro II communications at high baud rates Message-ID: <28989@usc> In article <1990Dec21.215841.23232@actrix.gen.nz> ewen@actrix.gen.nz (Ewen McNeill) writes: ## remember, but I think that consecutive screen-clears will ultimately cause ## a char to be dropped. ## #IMHO that is a little silly. My terminal program (runs in the #native mode of my CP/M machine) traps that. I did this mostly #because the screen is bit-mapped (16K) and takes _ages_ to clear #(well, ages in processor time!). Some of the BB systems I know #(Opus particularly) send 3 or 4 clear screen sequences. #I would have thought that any reasonable bios/comms program would #have the same trap. # No. Not true. I don't know of any BIOSes in Kaypro/Xerox land that trap multiple screen clears. COMM programs (by and large) do not know the clear screen sequence for the local terminal or, if they do, do not check for repeating sequences. Otherwise, I agree that multiple sequential screen clears are goofy and unnecessary. -Mitch ------------------------------ Date: 23 Dec 90 05:42:00 GMT From: julius.cs.uiuc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!pitt!darth!insight!bhh@apple.com (Brian Hughes) Subject: Looking for mailing list program for CP/M Message-ID: <122.2774930A@insight.FIDONET.ORG> > From: tom@dvnspc1.Dev.Unisys.COM (Tom Albrecht) > A group I'm associated with just had a Kaypro 4 > donated to them and I'm > looking for a mailing list program to get them > started. Any suggestions? > Does anyone have a pointer to something available thru > SIMTEL? > Thanks. > -- > Tom Albrecht Tom, There was a version of PCfile that was written for CP/M. The primary computer it was to run on, though, was OS-1. It will work with the Kaypro, but the opening screens are all trash. The upshot is that if they ever convert to Ms-Dos, the can upgrade to a PC version and still use their old files. E-Mail me if you can't find it. -- FidoNet : 1:129/65.1 Insight BBS UUCP/SEAdog/Kitten (412) 487-3701 UUCP : ..pitt!darth!insight!bhh : ..{psuvax1|decvax|cadre|}!idis!insight!bhh Internet : bhh@insight.fidonet.org ------------------------------ Date: 21 Dec 90 14:27:17 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!nosun!qiclab!techbook!fzsitvay@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Frank Zsitvay) Subject: pickles and trout cp/m load error 99 Message-ID: <1990Dec21.142717.27578@techbook.com> i'm having a problem installing the hard disk version of pickles and trout cp/m on my tandy 16b with 12 meg hard disk. after running the system configuration MENU, and selecting the hard disk module and a proper hard disk table, i reboot the system like i'm supposed to. after a little bit of floppy disk grinding, the loader writes on the screen 'Load Error 99' and things come to a halt. the hard disk is functional since i ran xenix on it, and i powered everything up in the proper sequence. (hard disk first.) after repeated attempts, i still get the same message. usually, when the loader complains with an error message, it's because there is an essential file that is missing, but i seem to have all of the files needed to install the system. even when i disable the hard disk by deselecting the hard disk module in the installation, the system stills gives the same error message. does anyone know what could be causing this problem?? -- fzsitvay@techbook.COM - but don't quote me on that.... American Oil Company motto - Bend over, We'll pump!!! ------------------------------ Date: 21 Dec 90 21:48:10 GMT From: bionet!hayes.ims.alaska.edu!milton!bperigo@apple.com (Bob Perigo) Subject: Quantum drives Message-ID: <13353@milton.u.washington.edu> I'd be very appreciative if you could send me the drive specs for the Quantum 2040 and 2080 drives. Trial & lots of error tells me 512/8 for the first and >1024/7 on the other. Wonder where precomp should be kicked in? -- INTERNET,BITNET: bperigo@u.washington.edu / _ Bob Perigo babble on BABEL @ 206-363-8969 300-9600 baud /_)/_) UW Box SM-28 VOICE Bob at 206-367-4433 8am-8pm Seattle time / Seattle, WA UUCP Path: ...uw-beaver!u.washington.edu!bperigo 98195 ------------------------------ Date: 22 Dec 90 03:11:12 GMT From: usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!lavaca.uh.edu!menudo.uh.edu!lobster!urchin!Charles.Cotham@apple.com (Charles Cotham) Subject: The guy with the Osborne1... Message-ID: <4511.2772F0A9@urchin.fidonet.org> Karol, Leave me a phone number and I will give you a call when I get back in from offshore. I can probably get you fixed up with a boot disk and some info on the Osborne 1. Merry Xmas from the middle of the Gulf of Mexico and a Happy New Year. Charles Cotham PO Box 254 Nederland, Tx. 77627 PS: I might be interested in that extra O-1 you have.. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Dec 90 14:51:17 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!csfst1@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Charles S. Fuller) Subject: Where can I get a KayPLUS ROM ? Message-ID: <73452@unix.cis.pitt.edu> Anyone know where I can pick up a KayPLUS ROM for an '83 KP-II? Emerald Microware's brochure describes it in glorious detail, but has a big "N/A" written over the price :-( Thanks for your time, and "Happy Holidays" to all! Chuck ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #211 ************************************* 28-Dec-90 00:45:06-MST,9852;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 28 Dec 90 00:24:33 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #212 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901228002434.V90N212@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 28 Dec 90 Volume 90 : Issue 212 Today's Topics: Apple Z80 hardware (2 msgs) DisplayWriter and CP/M 86 (2 msgs) emulator for TeleVideo 1603 Need WordStar utility (2 msgs) Omti Series 10 SASI controllers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Dec 90 14:46:18 PST From: rzh@icf.llnl.gov (R. Hanscom) Subject: Apple Z80 hardware Message-ID: <9012262246.AA02016@icf.llnl.gov.llnl.gov> Hello All -- I'm the proud (?) owner of some surplus Z80 boards that look like they have connectors for the Apple bus on them. There was no documentation available, and I'm wondering if any of you Apple CP/Mers might be able to help identify them. They are marked "Advanced Logic Systems". There is a "Z80 Card" that is a Z80B and little else but some interface chips and a small PROM/ROM(?). It does not even have an on-board clock that I can see. Also I have a "CP/M Card" from the same vendor. It is unpopulated, but looks like it would have memory, a crystal, etc. There are no component values or IC id's on the silk screen. Can somebody tell me if they are useful, or if there is documentation available for them?? roger icf!rzh@lll-winken.llnl.gov rzh@phoenix.ocf.llnl.gov ------------------------------ Date: 27 Dec 90 13:45:52 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!news.cs.indiana.edu!news.nd.edu!mentor.cc.purdue.edu!gauss.math.purdue.edu!wilker@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Clarence Wilkerson) Subject: Apple Z80 hardware Message-ID: <3069@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> If the board has some DRAM, it's the ALR Z80 card. If no ram of its own, it may be a clone of the Microsoft Z80 card. These each require their own boot disks, but data disks are compatible between the two systems. The ALR card supported some add-on cards for extra memory , maybe even a version of CP/M Plus. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Dec 90 16:24:39 GMT From: clyde.concordia.ca!ccu.umanitoba.ca!vspicer@uunet.uu.net Subject: DisplayWriter and CP/M 86 Message-ID: <1990Dec24.162439.6459@ccu.umanitoba.ca> Hello net world. I recently found CP/M 86 for the IBM DisplayWriter. It appears to function well and makes what was otherwise a word processor into a real computer of sorts. In the setup.cmd program it has configurations for communication ports which it can't detect. From this I presume the DisplayWriter can have communucation ports but this unit doesn't. Any ideas where I can find such a board? Hopefully they are standard RS232's. Also of course now we need software. Does anyone out there have anything for CP/M 86 formatted to a DisplayWriter readable 8" disk. The stuff of interest would be: some sort of database (dbase 2?) some sort of spreadsheet (supercalc?) programming languages (mbasic, pl/1, fortran, cbasic, pascal) communications program to go with serial board maybe i'm working on the silly assumption that such stuff actually made it to CP/M 86, but it seems to be a pretty good, fast OS. also, does anyone have some technical specs on the DisplayWriter? We didn't get any manuals with it. thanks and have a good holiday vic spicer ------------------------------ Date: 27 Dec 90 19:29:39 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!cs.utexas.edu!hellgate.utah.edu!fcom.cc.utah.edu!cc.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!slsw2@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu Subject: DisplayWriter and CP/M 86 Message-ID: <1990Dec27.132939.45769@cc.usu.edu> In article <1990Dec24.162439.6459@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, vspicer@ccu.umanitoba.ca writes: > Also of course now we need software. Does anyone out there have anything > for CP/M 86 formatted to a DisplayWriter readable 8" disk. I think that any old 8" SSSD CP/M disk will be readable by the thing. > The stuff of > interest would be: > some sort of database (dbase 2?) > some sort of spreadsheet (supercalc?) > programming languages (mbasic, pl/1, fortran, cbasic, pascal) > communications program to go with serial board > > maybe i'm working on the silly assumption that such stuff actually made > it to CP/M 86, but it seems to be a pretty good, fast OS. also, does > anyone have some technical specs on the DisplayWriter? We didn't get any > manuals with it. I know that spreadsheets, programming languages, and communications programs made it to CP/M-86. I've seen (but, alas, don't have) Microsoft's MultiPlan, a C compiler or two, and I've got KERMIT for my Rainbow. The old Turbo Pascal manual (you know, version 3.01A and before; when it was good) has a section on CP/M-86. I wouldn't be surprised if you could still get CP/M-86 Turbo from Borland; it was only a few years ago that I ordered 8" CP/M-80 Turbo from them. Glad to hear you've got it running. -- =============================================================================== Roger Ivie 35 S 300 W Logan, Ut. 84321 (801) 752-8633 =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Dec 90 20:05:10 EDT From: "Casimir M. Drahan" Subject: emulator for TeleVideo 1603 I have an old TeleVideo 1603 pc that I would like to use to access my account at this university. Unfortunately the mainframe expects to see an IBM pc, a VT100, or three other rather obscure terminals when I dial in. Does anyone know of an emulator (IBM or VT100) that would run on a 1603? I have two communications packages that run under CPM-86 on the TeleVideo: TeleAsync and Mite. I have managed to log on to my account with Mite (which I tell the mainframe is a VT100 terminal) but have problems with the screen not clearing. Emulation can be added to Mite, but I don't have any program docs to see what that involves. I'm not even sure if the company which marketed Mite is still around. Any information on Mite would also be greatly appreciated. Thanks, in advance. C.M.D. Casimir Matthew Drahan Computer Services University of Toledo Bitnet: OPRCMD@UOFT01 ------------------------------ Date: 21 Dec 90 13:42:39 GMT From: tindle@g.ms.uky.edu (Ken Tindle) Subject: Need WordStar utility Message-ID: <1990Dec21.134239.6515@ms.uky.edu> In article <"14-Dec-90.22:29:05.EST".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com> sprague.wbst311@xerox.com writes: >I wrote: >> Even in non-document mode, WordStar will set the high bit of the character >> the cursor is on at the time of the disk save. >Hmmmm, time to play with WordStar again. I have never had that happen to me >(in 3.3 and 4.0). Not that I don't believe it, mind you, I just want to see it >for myself. :-) This is the WS that came with the Osborne 1- v 2.26. It *does* funky things, even in non-doc mode. Trust me! :-) I am most assuredly not hell-bent on WS, it's just what I have. I can try PIP [z], printing to disk, another editor, or a utility. One of those ought to do it! I wish I'd said I knew about non-doc mode in my original letter- oh well. --------------------------\ /----------------------------------------------- INTERNET:tindle@ms.uky.edu | "Could you please continue the petty bickering? BITNET: tindle@ukma.bitnet | I find it most intriguing." --- Data, Ken Tindle - Lexington, KY | Star Trek, The Next Generation, "Haven" --------------------------/ \----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 27 Dec 90 13:49:49 GMT From: cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!news.cs.indiana.edu!news.nd.edu!mentor.cc.purdue.edu!gauss.math.purdue.edu!wilker@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Clarence Wilkerson) Subject: Need WordStar utility Message-ID: <3070@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Aha! Some versions of WordStar supported direct write to screen memory on the (few) machines that had screen memory as part of system RAM. I suspect that setting the high bit is the way the Osborne knew to highlight the current character. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Dec 90 00:50:58 GMT From: amethyst!organpipe!astro.as.arizona.edu@noao.edu (Thomas J. Trebisky) Subject: Omti Series 10 SASI controllers Message-ID: <779@organpipe.UUCP> Has anyone out there ever heard of an Omti Series 10 SASI controller? I am looking for specs, manual, any info. I have two of these, each mounted on 8-inch winchesters (Quantum Q2020). I need enough info to write a new driver for these things. In particular I need the details for the format and the set drive parameters commands. In particular, want to know if this thing will handle a Q2040. Any help will really be appreciated - I have gone most of the way reverse engineering the thing (drew the schematic, read out and disassembled the microcode roms, you wouldn't believe it ... ). The closest thing I got to getting help from the manufacturer was talking to an engineer on the phone who said, >Yes I remember working late nights on that one, it warms my heart to know >someone out there is still using it. Anyhow, this thing works, so if someone out there has any documentation it will warm MY heart to hear from you! ttrebisky@as.arizona.edu (Internet) Tom Trebisky ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #212 ************************************* 31-Dec-90 16:24:13-MST,5595;000000000000 Mail-From: W8SDZ created at 31-Dec-90 16:16:49 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 31 Dec 90 16:16:48 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #213 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901231161649.V90N213@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 31 Dec 90 Volume 90 : Issue 213 Today's Topics: DIRECT Disk Format (2 msgs) emulator for TeleVideo 1603 Help with embedded ^Z MK3884 - lost address TeX for CP/M ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 28 Dec 90 19:11:46 GMT From: usc!sdd.hp.com!samsung!caen!uflorida!pine.circa.ufl.edu!barbecue@apple.com (MERCER) Subject: DIRECT Disk Format Message-ID: <26092@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> some CPM disks from a DIRECT machine. He needs to transfer this data to MS-DOS format. I told him I would try reading his disks with my C-128 running CPM+, but I didn't have any luck. All I really need to do is read the data off the disks and upload it to another system, I don't actually have to transfer to another disk. Does anyone know anything about the DIRECT computer and its disk format? Any suggestions would be most appreciated. Please reply by mail, as I might miss your message otherwise. -------- BARBECUE@pine.circa.ufl.edu - Internet BARBECUE@UFPINE - BITNET ------------------------------ Date: 29 Dec 90 22:45:02 GMT From: mvb.saic.com!ncr-sd!simasd!simasd!pnet07!donm@ucsd.edu (Don Maslin) Subject: DIRECT Disk Format Message-ID: <1990Dec29.224502.9839@simasd.uucp> barbecue@pine.circa.ufl.edu (MERCER) writes: >some CPM disks from a DIRECT machine. He needs to transfer this >data to MS-DOS format. I told him I would try reading his disks Probably his best shot is to find someone with a PC and UniForm-PC or 22Disk who should be able to read them easily. There is a Direct 1025 listed in UniForm-PC, and likely in 22Disk, also. Keeper of the CP/M System Disk | UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm Archives for the Dino(saur)SIG | ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil - San Diego Computer Society - | INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 90 20:20:49 EDT From: "Casimir M. Drahan" Subject: emulator for TeleVideo 1603 Many thanks to David Fetrow and Bill Marcum for their suggestions concerning possible ways to use a TeleVideo 1603 pc to log into the mainframe at my university. Further perusal of the help files reveals that it is possible to log in in line mode. Not really a very satisfactory solution. A few weeks back I checked the kermserv at Columbia to see if there was a version of Kermit for the TeleVideo. The best I could find was a CPM-86 version that might (???) run on the TeleVideo, or a generic MS-DOS version that pokes along at 1200 bps. Anyone know of a version of Kermit that will run on a TeleVideo? The IBM/MS-DOS version I have seen does vt100 emulation. I'm hopping that any version of Kermit for the TeleVideo might be similarly configured. Thanks. C.M.D. Casimir Matthew Drahan Computer Services University of Toledo Bitnet: OPRCMD@UOFT01 ------------------------------ Date: 31 Dec 90 22:31:55 GMT From: snorkelwacker.mit.edu!hsdndev!spdcc!jin@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jerry Natowitz) Subject: Help with embedded ^Z Message-ID: <5687@spdcc.SPDCC.COM> I was adding some control characters to a text file for a printer and, without realising the consequences, added a control Z in the first line of the file. I've tryed using pip thus: >pip *a.a=b.b[osStuff^Z] Where "Stuff" is a string that occurs in the second block of the file. No luck, Word Master still won't edit the file. I don't have a lot of the utilities around, BASIC-80 and PIP usually do the trick. I tryed reading the file in BASIC, no luck. Any help would be appreciated ... -- Jerry Natowitz Guest user on: ARPA jin@ursa-major.spdcc.com UUCP {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!jin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 90 10:03 EDT From: "John Shin" Subject: MK3884 - lost address Hi! Sorry to bother everybody... but I lost the address of the person (who had a UK address) who asked for info on MK3884. Could you call me back? I have the book with me, ready to be xeroxed and sent. I just need exact part number and your address.. -John Shin JSHIN@HampVMS.bitnet ------------------------------ Date: 31 Dec 90 18:56:31 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!spool2.mu.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!bronze!silver!bwildasi@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Ben Wildasin) Subject: TeX for CP/M Message-ID: <1990Dec31.185631.3764@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> Is anyone familiar with TeX implementations for CP/M? If so, what printers do they support? Also, are there any freely or cheaply available Emacs editors floating around out there? Thanks for any help... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ben Wildasin | All booms are sonic | bwildasi@ucs.indiana.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #213 ************************************* 3-Dec-90 01:50:36-MST,4937;000000000000 Mail-From: W8SDZ created at 3-Dec-90 00:56:53 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 3 Dec 90 00:56:52 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #195 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901203005653.V90N195@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 3 Dec 90 Volume 90 : Issue 195 Today's Topics: Hard drive for Kaypro II? (2 msgs) PD Z80-crosscompilers QTERM for XEROX pc's (????) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 28 Nov 90 20:51:08 GMT From: sdd.hp.com!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!uflorida!mailer.cc.fsu.edu!prism!tynor@ucsd.edu (Steve Tynor) Subject: Hard drive for Kaypro II? Message-ID: <17731@hydra.gatech.EDU> Can anyone tell me if/how I can put a 10 or 20M hard drive on a Kaypro II? Is there a (relatively) inexpensive way to do this? I can probably find a cheap (used) PC hard drive, but I'm sure that the CP/M / MessyDOS controllers are incompatible... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Eiffel: Accept no substitutes Steve Tynor Georgia Tech Research Institute Artificial Intelligence Branch tynor@prism.gatech.edu ------------------------------ Date: 29 Nov 90 10:15:45 GMT From: csusac!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Ian Justman) Subject: Hard drive for Kaypro II? Message-ID: tynor@prism.gatech.EDU (Steve Tynor) writes: > Can anyone tell me if/how I can put a 10 or 20M hard drive on a Kaypro II? I > there a (relatively) inexpensive way to do this? I can probably find a cheap > (used) PC hard drive, but I'm sure that the CP/M / MessyDOS controllers are > incompatible... You're mistaken there, if the Kaypro in question has a TurboROM (as I've heard). All that it need to have is an ST-506 interface, and you have to do a little of jumpering (the only one I can think of is drive select) and let your formatting/BIOS software take their respective courses. I know a few friends who have donw just what you've described ("PC drives"? They're all the same. In fact, the two Quantum Q540's on my PC came the other direction; from a pair of CP/M-type machines (actually Concurrent DOS, no relation to the MeSsy variety)) > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Eiffel: Accept no substitutes In this case, there is no such thing as a "substitute" for there is no such thing as a "CP/M drive" and a "PC drive". As long as they speak MFM through an ST-506 controller, you'll be fine (provided you have the right firm-/software). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Nov 90 18:11:21 GMT From: J Jackson Subject: PD Z80-crosscompilers Message-ID: <16458.9011301811@csunb0.dcs.leeds.ac.uk> > > CUG276 & CUG292 are C sources of Assemblers for the Z80 and 64180. > You can obtain them thru the C User's Group, or I can Email them to you. > They are PD and have been run thru a number of compilers already. It's > easy to select which to compile for since all you have to do is uncomment > a define which selects your flavor of C. Although I've had trouble with > the 6805 assembler under Aztec CII 1.05 (still am struggling) > Your compiler needs calloc() which mine don't have!!! Also, I have to > define void as int type and rename getc & putc to agetc & aputc. . . .. > > etc. > > Ronn > > Ronn, don't seem to be able to Email you direct - sorry to rest for the waste of bandwidth - can you Email me the C source for the Z80 compiler? cheers ======================================================================= Jim Jackson Email : School of Computer Studies UK - JANET : jj@uk.ac.leeds.dcs Leeds University Internet : jj@dcs.leeds.ac.uk Leeds LS2 9JT UK Phone : +44 532 335451 ======================================================================= Opinions! What Opinions? I just wield the brush round here. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 90 17:37 CDT From: Subject: QTERM for XEROX pc's (????) I have been trying for quite a while with no positive results to patch QTERM onmy XEROX 16/8 (820-II compatible). Does anyone have a working copy on their xerox machine? Or any other vt100 emulator for that matter? I use a hayes 1200..... ANY help would be much appreciated.. I intend to use it (QTERM) for emulating a vax/vms system. THANX!! Scott Huggins ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #195 ************************************* 5-Dec-90 03:18:30-MST,6818;000000000000 Mail-From: W8SDZ created at 5-Dec-90 03:05:40 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 5 Dec 90 03:05:39 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #196 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901205030540.V90N196@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Wed, 5 Dec 90 Volume 90 : Issue 196 Today's Topics: BD Software C Compiler Files Help with Z37 controller in a Heath Z89 knowledge needed! Reply to Big Board II SIMTEL20 disk space ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 4 Dec 90 08:49:04 GMT From: mcsun!unido!uniol!Christian.Stelter@uunet.uu.net (Christian Stelter) Subject: BD Software C Compiler Files Message-ID: <3944@uniol.UUCP> Hi friends of CP/M ! I am looking for some files of the BD Software C-Compiler, because a friend of mine has a defective version of these files. If you still have got this Compiler or a hint where to find them, so please E-Mail me ! -- **************************************************************************** * Christian Stelter CS Student, TeXer, etc. UNI OLDENBURG GERMANY * * UUCP: Christian.Stelter@arbi.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de * * Home: Christian Stelter, Pommersche Str.8, D-2940 Wilhelmshaven * **************************************************************************** received data 909 bytes 1.27 secs ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 90 03:34:51 GMT From: shlump.nac.dec.com!krypton.arc.nasa.gov!opalka@decuac.dec.com (Bill Opalka 603-881-1224) Subject: Help with Z37 controller in a Heath Z89 Message-ID: <17819@shlump.nac.dec.com> Can anybody tell me what the jumpers mean on a Z37 floppy disk controller board for a Heath Z-89 computer. Thanks, /Bill ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 90 20:34:25 GMT From: sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu!ephillip%magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu@ucsd.edu (Earl W Phillips) Subject: knowledge needed! Message-ID: I have been reading this newsgroup for a couple of weeks now, and I am surprised at the level of knowledge shown here! I have acquired 2 CP/M systems, and I now currently use a Xerox 820-II system, with 2 8" floppy drives. Here's my question, and please everyone, keep the answers SIMPLE, as I have NO previous computer experience (which is why people gave me the cp/m systems, I believe) and I also don't seem to be very smart about learning computers, either. Anyway, I also have 2 other, functional, 8" floppy drives in a metal tray, which I would like to have hooked up to the currently functioning cpu, so that I have a 4-drive system, AND so that the system know that it has 4 drives accessible (c&d drives?) BTW, I also have another cpu for the xerox that I can put the working floppy drives in, if necessary. I have no idea if this is possible, but it sems to me logical that one should be able to have a functional 4-drive system that knows itself, at least from what I've been reading here recently. Any (simple) ideas? Help! ephillips@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu -EP- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 90 09:01:43 PST From: rzh@icf.llnl.gov (R. Hanscom) Subject: Reply to Big Board II Message-ID: <9012031701.AA16292@icf.llnl.gov.llnl.gov> In <1990Dec2.045012.25373@techbook.com> fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes: > by the by, i have a question regarding 8 inch floppies on ibm >clones. uniform is very handy in formatting oddball disk formats, >but i was wondering if it is possible to use an 8 inch drive on an >AT floppy controller to format and read 8 inch formats?? Check out Emerald in Oregon. They carry the "Compaticard" which is a PC compatible disk controller. I don't have one, but they appear to handle 8" drives on a PC, although I believe the ads say that the AT will not boot from an 8" drive (that may not be a big deal!). They are not cheap, but seem to answer your needs. [Emerald advertises in a number of publications. I've seen their ads in Circuit Cellar Ink] roger rzh@phoenix.ocf.llnl.gov icf!rzh@lll-winken.llnl.gov ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 1990 22:02 MST From: "Frank J. Wancho" Subject: SIMTEL20 disk space Message-ID: Due to a scheduling problem for the construction of the required room expansion to house the recently procured disk drives, there will be an unexpected three-to-four-month delay in the installation of the drives. This delay prompted some drastic action to make more long overdue disk space available to the ever-growing collections on SIMTEL20 after more than two years of managing saturated capacity. After consultation with our advisors, the PC/Blue collection was taken offline, to be restored when the new drives are online, together with nearly 100 new volumes currently waiting for disk space to become available. This decision was based on the fact that the existing MSDOS and MSDOS2 collections represent a majority of the same files contained in the PC/Blue collection and are generally newer versions (without the overhead of keeping older versions, due to the release scheme used by the PC/Blue Librarian). Because of the disproportionate amount of space freed up by removing the PC/Blue collection from PD1: (about half the capacity of PD1:), several collections were moved from PD2: and PD3: to PD1:, and from PD3: to PD2:: PD2: -> PD1: (the subdirs will be moved to PD1: PD3: -> PD1: PD3: -> PD1: PD3: -> PD2: PD3: -> PD2: Now, all MSDOS and related collections are on PD1: and all CP/M and related collections are together on PD2:. The Unix-C and Ada collections will compete for the remain space on PD2:, while the Macintosh collection will compete for space on PD3: with the system support and documentation files. Note: PD3: also contains a mirror of the corresponding collections from NIC.DDN.MIL, namely all RFCs in RFC:, most of the NETINFO: files, all DDN-NEWS: files. We hope this temporary inconvenience will be offset by the value and availability of many new current releases we have been unable to provide until now. --Frank ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #196 ************************************* 5-Dec-90 21:58:34-MST,20844;000000000000 Mail-From: W8SDZ created at 5-Dec-90 21:39:58 Return-Path: Date: Wed, 5 Dec 90 21:39:57 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #197 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901205213958.V90N197@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Wed, 5 Dec 90 Volume 90 : Issue 197 Today's Topics: 820-II disk addons AMSTRAD CPC Harddisk and CPC User Group Munich Dynabyte CP/M system - HELP! (2 msgs) INTTERM - Problems on my KP2-84 Kaypro II communications at high baud rates knowledge needed! [4 drives on a Xerox 820-II] Obtaining the Tandon TM848-2 (was:Re: Reply to Big Board II)7 Reply to Big Board II Strange Kaypro problems (2 msgs) System use of Z80 registers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 5 Dec 90 13:35 CDT From: "Arun Baheti " Subject: 820-II disk addons You can use the "Xerox" method of daisy chaining; this is pretty much built into your system and would just require attaching the extra 8" Shugart unit up to the back of your current drives and setting the approproate swicthes on the controller card (I think!). Other than that, I'm not sure what you might do to add drives to the system, but I'm sure its possible. You might try calling Mitch Mlinar's BBS in Torrance, CA for information, or if you can't reach it leave me a message and I will help you track down some software. --ab ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 90 20:09:14 GMT From: csus.edu!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ira.uka.de!smurf!subnet.sub.net!altger!doitcr!jungkunz@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Helmut Jungkunz) Subject: AMSTRAD CPC Harddisk and CPC User Group Munich Message-ID: <1547@doitcr.doit.sub.org> Ewen writes : Article 1268 of comp.os.cpm: From: ewen@actrix.gen.nz (Ewen McNeill) Subject: Re: Amstrad CPC Harddisk Summary: Z system interesting. Will send for disks. Keywords: Amstrad CPC Harddisk HD Public Domain Date: 30 Nov 90 21:12:49 GMT > Z3PLUS looks very interesting. I am considering purchasing it, but I don't know that I can afford it at the moment. Here's the vendor of the harddisk used by more than 50 people with great pleasure: Dobbertin Elektronik GmbH, Brahmsstr. 4, D-6835 Bruehl, Germany Tel. 06202 / 71417 They also provide a patch for the silicon disk operation ROM, since there is a hardware error (slight) in the device itself. He wanted to know the price. In Germany, the price is 1100.-- DM including 14 \% VAT. This is normally not included in export business. So the VAT rate of your own country has to be added here on top of the net price. Also, one should consider shipping cost and customs. This means, that a collective order will help to bring down freight expenses. So for those interested in more info, here the FAX number of DOBBERTIN GMBlpH 06202 75509 (I hope this is correct, check carrier tone!) Referring to sending P.D. empty disks: Should I send disks which are designed for 360K (IBM style) or 1.2M (IBM style)? My thought is the first, because I have formatted them to 800K before without problems. There are sometimes problems with the others. Please only use standard disks. I do prefer 1.2 MB, this will be approximately 20 Disks. Again: Yes- this is the right address! Schneider/Amstrad CPC User Group Munich c/o Helmut Jungkunz Zacherlstr. 14 D-8045 Ismaning Thank you for the offer. I will gather together the necessary disks, and send them off to you later this month. -- (Ewen McNeill. Email: ewen@actrix.gen.nz Okay, till then! Ciao, -> Helmut Jungkunz <- ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 90 19:45:05 GMT From: usc!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!emory!hubcap!ncrcae!ncr-sd!simasd!simasd!pnet07!donm@apple.com (Don Maslin) Subject: Dynabyte CP/M system - HELP! Message-ID: <1990Dec5.194505.2792@simasd.uucp> cs202101@umbc5.umbc.edu writes: > >Recently I acquired a CP/M system made by a company called Dynabyte, >this system is a Dynabyte model 5200; unfortunately, instead of using >standard format 8" disks, it uses 5-1/4" floppies which appear to use a >format which is incompatible with that of any other CP/M systems that I >know of. In addition, to make matters more difficult, there were no >communications, or file transfer, programs on any of the diskettes which >came with the system. I was going to attempt writing a com program for it, >but it appears to have a non-standard UART (I'm guessing that this chip >is the UART, since there are two of these chips on the CPU card and they >appear to be connected to the serial port connectors); the chips in question >have TMS 5550 marked on them (if I recall correctly from when I had the >CPU card removed from the system). There is an overlay for NightOwl Softwares MEX communication software for the Dynabyte DB 8/1. The overlay is designated MXO-DB10.ASM, and should be on many BBS that handle CP/M stuff along with the PD MEX114.LBR package. If the overlay is not directly applicable, it should at least be similar. > >Is there anyone out there who is familiar with this system, its UARTS, >or who has any ideas about how to get a communications and file transfer >program set up and running on this system? Thanks in advance for any >information. > If it would be useful, I can send you a uuencoded package called BOOTSTRP.LBR which contains a couple of approaches to overcoming the initial 'no-comm' hurdle. - don Keeper of the CP/M System Disk | UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm Archives for the Dino(saur)SIG | ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil - San Diego Computer Society - | INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 90 07:29:06 GMT From: haven!umbc3!umbc5.umbc.edu!cs202101@ames.arc.nasa.gov Subject: Dynabyte CP/M system - HELP! Message-ID: <4618@umbc3.UMBC.EDU> Recently I acquired a CP/M system made by a company called Dynabyte, this system is a Dynabyte model 5200; unfortunately, instead of using standard format 8" disks, it uses 5-1/4" floppies which appear to use a format which is incompatible with that of any other CP/M systems that I know of. In addition, to make matters more difficult, there were no communications, or file transfer, programs on any of the diskettes which came with the system. I was going to attempt writing a com program for it, but it appears to have a non-standard UART (I'm guessing that this chip is the UART, since there are two of these chips on the CPU card and they appear to be connected to the serial port connectors); the chips in question have TMS 5550 marked on them (if I recall correctly from when I had the CPU card removed from the system). Is there anyone out there who is familiar with this system, its UARTS, or who has any ideas about how to get a communications and file transfer program set up and running on this system? Thanks in advance for any information. Robert Douglas Davis # Is reality real? Can you prove it? cs202101@umbc5.umbc.edu # Can you write an algorythm to prove it? Home: +1-301-744-7964 # Do you have a computer fast enough to compute it? BBS: +1-301-788-6663 # ---> REAL Education: The Benny Hill Show! ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 90 15:59:50 GMT From: ico!mikeod@handies.ucar.edu (Mike O'Donnel) Subject: INTTERM - Problems on my KP2-84 Message-ID: <1990Dec5.155950.22108@ico.isc.com> Thanks to the help of some fine netters I just got my hand on a copy of INTTERM, an interrupt driven terminal program for a Kaypro. But unfortunately it doesn't work on my Kaypro. Apparently it works on other systems. From looking at the code there are a couple of questions I have. 1. Why is it necessary to wait for the disk drive to deselect? 2. Why does it relocate handlers into different areas of memory and could this possibly be stomping on something. 3. Does anyone have a memory layout and tech. info for the KPII-84 that they would send me? Any help and info will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Mike O'Donnell mikeod@itx.isc.com ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 90 12:59:59 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!percy!nosun!techbook!fzsitvay@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Frank Zsitvay) Subject: Kaypro II communications at high baud rates Message-ID: <1990Dec5.125959.2947@techbook.com> In article <7632@hub.ucsb.edu> crmeyer@nobbs.physics.ucsb.edu writes: >I recently aquired a Kaypro II ('83 type) and wanted to use it to >telecomunicate at 9600 baud. Using the included TERM program, it >seemed that the program dropped the first several characters of each >line. Does anyone have any software or hardware based solutions that >they could reccommend? I vaugly remember a similar question being asked >recently, but did not have the Kaypro at that point and did not save the >messages :(. If 9600 baud is too fast, will it work correctly at >2400 baud? I know 1200 is OK. i use imp245 (of irv hoff fame) and at 2400 baud it loses the third char of every line on my II/83. i imagine this is due to the screen handling routines in ROM, as it apparently takes more time to handle a carriage return than it does to put a char on the screen. the best solution would be to use a lower baud rate until you can either increase the processor speed or install a rom that handles the screen quicker. at 2400 baud, i have no problems when i configure the host system to insert 3 nulls after every carriage return. at 9600 baud you'd probably need 40 or 50 of them. -- fzsitvay@techbook.COM - but don't quote me on that.... American Oil Company motto - Bend over, We'll pump!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 1990 09:15:15 PST From: sprague.wbst311@xerox.com Subject: knowledge needed! [4 drives on a Xerox 820-II] Message-ID: <" 5-Dec-90 12:15:15 EST".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com> > I have NO previous computer experience (which is why people > gave me the cp/m systems, I believe) Chuckle, more likely because the CP/M systems were cheap. Both my mother and sister-in-law do a lot of word processing. I set them both up with Xerox 820-II computers (which cost very little) and both of them are quite happy. > currently use a Xerox 820-II system, with 2 8" floppy drives. > .... hooked up to the currently functioning cpu, so that I > have a 4-drive system, AND so that the system know that it > has 4 drives accessible It *IS* possible to convert the 820-II to use four drives instead of two .... but it's going to take a lot of work. Your going to have to rewrite the BIOS. ..... And even then, I'm not sure the extra two drive select lines are on the Floppy controller board (I'd have to take a look). > I also have another cpu for the xerox that I can put the working > floppy drives in, if necessary. I have no idea if this is possible, If you decide to go this route, describe to me what you have, and I'll tell you how to put it together. It sound like you might have some non-standard (home-built?) equipment. ~ Mike (Sprague.Wbst311@Xerox.Com) ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 90 12:45:34 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!percy!nosun!techbook!fzsitvay@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Frank Zsitvay) Subject: Obtaining the Tandon TM848-2 (was:Re: Reply to Big Board II)7 Message-ID: <1990Dec5.124534.2722@techbook.com> In article <48933@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> v125kjg8@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu writes: >In article <1990Dec2.045012.25373@techbook.com>, fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes... >> incidentally, the tandon drives put 1.2 megs on a disk, and can be >>had for $30 here in portland. they are perhaps the best half-height >>double sided 8 inch floppies ever made. > >Where can you get them in Portland? Sounds like a good deal, because a company >advertising in _Computer Shopper_ wanted $175 each for them, removed from >unused equipment. Wacky Willy's at 11th and Stark have a pair of them, both brand new. I don't think they do any mail order business, but even then if you look in the right places you should find similar deals. at Electronic Supply Corporation in seattle (Latona ave and 45th street) a couple years ago i bought a pair of shurgart sa860 drives for $25 apiece, so the deals are out there. if you are referring to jb technologies, don't ever buy an item like that from them. in fact, if you can help it, never buy an 8 inch drive mail order, especially hard drives. insist on seeing the drive (preferably in operating, if possible) before laying down cash. it's very rare to find new, unused 8 inch drives these days, and finding the media can be even harder. (that is, finding it at a resonable price.) for one thing, 8 inch drives weight quite a bit, and are quite fragile. you'll pay more for shipping and may get a drive that's out of alignment or not working. and you can bet, if you file a claim with ups for damages, you won't get much back, even if you point out how much you paid. -- fzsitvay@techbook.COM - but don't quote me on that.... American Oil Company motto - Bend over, We'll pump!!! ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 90 13:10:12 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!percy!nosun!techbook!fzsitvay@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Frank Zsitvay) Subject: Reply to Big Board II Message-ID: <1990Dec5.131012.3071@techbook.com> In article <1990Dec3.224503.5999@simasd.uucp> donm@pnet07.cts.com (Don Maslin) writes: >fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes: >> >> by the by, i have a question regarding 8 inch floppies on ibm >>clones. uniform is very handy in formatting oddball disk formats, >>but i was wondering if it is possible to use an 8 inch drive on an >>AT floppy controller to format and read 8 inch formats?? >> >It certainly should be. I am running an 8" drive on CompatiCard as a >secondary FDC on my AT clone. The CC can also be used as a primary >controller on an AT, as it supports 1.2 and 1.44 meg drives. Its major >advantage to me is that it is a 4 drive controller. well, what i meant was could i connect my 8 inch drives to an existing AT HD controller and get the thing to work with uniform?? the reason why is because compaticards aren't exactly cheap, and i'd like to avoid that step if possible. i can make a proper cable, but i need to know if uniform understands such a setup. -- fzsitvay@techbook.COM - but don't quote me on that.... American Oil Company motto - Bend over, We'll pump!!! ------------------------------ Date: 2 Dec 90 05:03:19 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!nosun!qiclab!techbook!fzsitvay@uunet.uu.net (Frank Zsitvay) Subject: Strange Kaypro problems Message-ID: <1990Dec2.050319.25685@techbook.com> In article <1990Nov30.143804.28107@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> wieland@ea.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeffrey J Wieland) writes: >In article <1990Nov29.234234.3270@techbook.com> fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes: >> now i'm wondering - do i have a 2x or a 2/83?? on my machine, the motor >>times out (in fact, it stops right after the disk access, but the light >>stays on. this thing also has to be the fastest booting-from-the-floppy >>machine ever built. (tick tick tick A> ) > >The quick way to tell whether you have an '83 or on '84 is to look >at the back of the computer. '83's have one serial port, '84's have >two (DB-25's, of course). '84's also have video attributes -- inverse, >dim, underline, and blinking. They also can display block graphics, and >have a fine line drawing character set available. The '83's can only do >blinking video, and they have a Greek alternate character set. ok, mine has one serial port, and no graphics or attributes. also, after formatting a double sided kaypro floppy on my AT with uniform, the kaypro claimed it was a single sided floppy, so apparently it has single sided drives. would i need to change the bios to add double sided drives?? (i'd like to put qd drives on it, or better yet, 1.2 meg AT floppies by faking the controller to think it's talking to an 8 inch drive, if that's possible. is there a rom available that would allow 8 inch drives to be connected to a kaypro?? also, what is needed to upgrade the video to the 84 standard?? i use vde as a text editor, and it need reverse video to show control characters. also, how do you tell if the machine has a IV motherboard??? if mine does, then i could probably get dsdd or qd drives to work in it. -- fzsitvay@techbook.COM - but don't quote me on that.... American Oil Company motto - Bend over, We'll pump!!! ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 90 18:45:03 GMT From: csus.edu!wuarchive!emory!hubcap!ncrcae!ncr-sd!simasd!simasd!pnet07!donm@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Don Maslin) Subject: Strange Kaypro problems Message-ID: <1990Dec5.184503.2332@simasd.uucp> fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes: > > ok, mine has one serial port, and no graphics or attributes. also, >after formatting a double sided kaypro floppy on my AT with uniform, >the kaypro claimed it was a single sided floppy, so apparently it has >single sided drives. would i need to change the bios to add double >sided drives?? ... Open the box and check the monitor ROM. If it is 81-232-A, you have a later II/83 which shares the same board with the 4/83 and DSDD should be no problem. If it is 81-149-C, I don't know. However, all three used the same CP/M 2.2F. > Keeper of the CP/M System Disk | UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm Archives for the Dino(saur)SIG | ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil - San Diego Computer Society - | INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 90 21:27:16 GMT From: amethyst!organpipe!afthree.as.arizona.edu!tom@noao.edu (Thomas J. Trebisky) Subject: System use of Z80 registers Message-ID: <629@organpipe.UUCP> >Bridger Mitchell writes: >> I (and others) have long argued strenuously for strict adherence to >> the following systems-programming guideline: >> >> **** >> SYSTEM CODE (BIOS, BDOS, INTERRUPT-SERVICE ROUTINES, AND BACKGROUND >> UTILITIES) SHOULD *ALWAYS PRESERVE* THE NON-8080 REGISTERS. >> **** > > Tilmann Reh writes >The above guideline opens the door to very improper application programming. >The only way to ensure that a program runs on *every* CP/M machine is to >save all registers which must stay valid prior to any system call. BTW, I >don't see why this should be so hard... Sorry to take exception with this. I don't think it is the applications programmers responsibility to guard against all manner of stupidity on the part of those writing systems code. Believe me, every modern OS puts the burden of saving and restoring machine state on the OS -- on a Unix system a system call is commonly implemented by a TRAP or INT, and the first thing the OS will do is save all the registers and whatever else is involved with the user context so it can restore it transparently. As you point out there is no possible way that user code can "guard against" what is done with registers in interrupt routines since they are completely asynchronous. The sad reality of things though is that you are right in a way, due to the abundance of funky systems software in the CPM realm. In the hey-day of CPM every Tom, Dick, and Harry was in a rush to port CPM to this or that platform, and some of the work was poorly done. This forces you and I to go to lengths we shouldn't have to, if we really want "portability" to every sleaze-ball system. However if the above guidelines for SYSTEMS code were followed, we would not have to do this. Another case could be made perhaps for efficiency, the applications programmer knows at any time exactly what he needs to save, whereas a systems call handler must necessarily save everything to be general. In the Z80 realm where every machine cycle is precious, this might have merit, but I would rather save the code space (and my keystrokes :-) ). ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #197 ************************************* 6-Dec-90 22:31:29-MST,10835;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 6 Dec 90 22:15:04 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #198 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901206221505.V90N198@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 6 Dec 90 Volume 90 : Issue 198 Today's Topics: 820-II disk addons Hard drive for Kaypro II? INTTERM - Problems on my KP2-84 Reply to Big Board II Strange Kaypro problems Wanted: help with CP/M+, CP/M3 or BIOS for NORTHSTAR (remember them:-) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Dec 1990 12:34:09 PST From: sprague.wbst311@xerox.com Subject: 820-II disk addons Message-ID: <" 6-Dec-90 15:34:09 EST".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com> Arun Baheti writes: > You can use the "Xerox" method of daisy chaining; this is pretty much > built into your system and would just require attaching the extra 8" > Shugart unit up to the back of your current drives and setting the > approproate swicthes on the controller card (I think!). That only works if you have the 8" hard drive, which by the way, has only one floppy. ~ Mike (Sprague.Wbst311@Xerox.Com) ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 90 18:51:08 GMT From: usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!emory!ogicse!zephyr.ens.tek.com!wrgate!dadla!donk@ucsd.edu (Donald C. Kirkpatrick) Subject: Hard drive for Kaypro II? Message-ID: <4429@wrgate.WR.TEK.COM> In article <1990Nov29.190503.22637@simasd.uucp> donm@pnet07.cts.com (Don Maslin) writes: >Give Brian a call at Emerald Microware 503/641-0347 > P.O. Box 1726 > Beaverton OR 97075 > >They market a kit that includes software, host board, and controller card for >the Kaypro. It is about $250. You supply the drive. > I read this article on Thursday, November 29. The next day I tucked my Kaypro under my arm, grabed a hard disk with my other hand, and payed Emerald Microware a visit. On the following Tuesday, I picked up my machine with a new (to me) 20 meg hard drive. That's what I call service. The price was $245 for the kit and $100 to install it. Emerald Microware really knows Kaypros and CP/M. Thanks for the tip Don. -- -Don Kirkpatrick (donk@dadla.LA.TEK.COM) UUCP: {ihnp4 | decvax | ucbvax}!tektronix!dadla!donk ARPA: donk%dadla.LA.TEK.COM@RELAY.CS.NET ------------------------------ Date: 6 Dec 90 19:54:42 GMT From: crash!mwilson@nosc.mil (Marc Wilson) Subject: INTTERM - Problems on my KP2-84 Message-ID: <6131@crash.cts.com> In article <1990Dec5.155950.22108@ico.isc.com> mikeod@ico.isc.com (Mike O'Donnel) writes: [saga on why INITTERM doesn't work on his Kaypro] >1. Why is it necessary to wait for the disk drive > to deselect? If you don't, your drives will stay selected forever. The Kaypro BIOS has a test loop in the character I/O routines. If you haven't talked to the drives by the time the counter gets to zero, it deselects and turns off the motors. When you run INTTERM, you are no longer using the BIOS, so your drives stay selected. This would be a real problem on the K10, where your HD would stay selected forever. >2. Why does it relocate handlers into different areas > of memory and could this possibly be stomping on > something. It moves itself above 8000h because it needs the ROM in order to talk to the screen. The ROM comes in at 0h-8000h. If an interrupt occurred while the program had the ROM enabled, the interrupt vector would point to a random location in the ROM, not in the program. Result: BLOOOIE! >3. Does anyone have a memory layout and tech. info for > the KPII-84 that they would send me? Yes. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Marc Wilson ARPA: ...!crash!mwilson@nosc.mil ...!crash!pnet01!pro-sol!mwilson@nosc.mil UUCP: [ cbosgd | hp-sdd!hplabs | sdcsvax | nosc ]!crash!mwilson INET: mwilson@crash.CTS.COM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Marc Wilson ARPA: ...!crash!mwilson@nosc.mil ...!crash!pnet01!pro-sol!mwilson@nosc.mil UUCP: [ cbosgd | hp-sdd!hplabs | sdcsvax | nosc ]!crash!mwilson INET: mwilson@crash.CTS.COM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: 6 Dec 90 00:05:03 GMT From: agate!bionet!uwm.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!emory!hubcap!ncrcae!ncr-sd!simasd!simasd!pnet07!donm@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Don Maslin) Subject: Reply to Big Board II Message-ID: <1990Dec6.000503.4615@simasd.uucp> fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes: > > well, what i meant was could i connect my 8 inch drives to an existing >AT HD controller and get the thing to work with uniform?? the reason >why is because compaticards aren't exactly cheap, and i'd like to >avoid that step if possible. i can make a proper cable, but i need to >know if uniform understands such a setup. > What I meant to imply is that the CompatiCard is essentially a 4-drive AT FDC. Therefore, it should be possible to connect to a regular AT FDC. Try it, all it should cost you would be the effort to make the cable. As to UniForm understanding it as an 8", I doubt it. But it should write to it in 1.2 format. Look into the capabilities of Driver.sys, though. - don > >-- Keeper of the CP/M System Disk | UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm Archives for the Dino(saur)SIG | ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil - San Diego Computer Society - | INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: 6 Dec 90 19:48:10 GMT From: crash!mwilson@nosc.mil (Marc Wilson) Subject: Strange Kaypro problems Message-ID: <6130@crash.cts.com> In article <1990Dec2.050319.25685@techbook.com> fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes: >In article <1990Nov30.143804.28107@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> wieland@ea.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeffrey J Wieland) writes: >>In article <1990Nov29.234234.3270@techbook.com> fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes: >>> now i'm wondering - do i have a 2x or a 2/83?? on my machine, the motor >>>times out (in fact, it stops right after the disk access, but the light >>>stays on. this thing also has to be the fastest booting-from-the-floppy >>>machine ever built. (tick tick tick A> ) [stuff deleted] > ok, mine has one serial port, and no graphics or attributes. also, >after formatting a double sided kaypro floppy on my AT with uniform, >the kaypro claimed it was a single sided floppy, so apparently it has >single sided drives. You got it. >would i need to change the bios to add double >sided drives?? (i'd like to put qd drives on it, or better yet, 1.2 >meg AT floppies by faking the controller to think it's talking to >an 8 inch drive, if that's possible. is there a rom available that >would allow 8 inch drives to be connected to a kaypro?? No, you don't need to change the BIOS, but you DO need to: a) add double sided drives b) add one jumper to enable the side select line on the interface The Kaypro as sold cannot deal with 8" drives. The data transfer rate over the interface is twice as fast as your 5" drives. This goes for the AT drives, too. This is why you need a new controller when you add a 1.2 or 1.44 Mb drive to a PC. > also, what is needed to upgrade the video to the 84 standard?? >i use vde as a text editor, and it need reverse video to show >control characters. You don't upgrade it. > also, how do you tell if the machine has a IV motherboard??? if >mine does, then i could probably get dsdd or qd drives to work >in it. You've already done the test. You only have 1 serial port, therefore you have an '83 series machine. Since it's only got SSDD drives, probabilities are REAL high that you do, indeed, have a 2-83 motherboard. To tell for sure, look closely at your motherboard. The original 2-83 had motherboard 81-110. The 4-83 had motheboard 81-240. They are basically the same motherboard except for some jumpers. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Marc Wilson ARPA: ...!crash!mwilson@nosc.mil ...!crash!pnet01!pro-sol!mwilson@nosc.mil UUCP: [ cbosgd | hp-sdd!hplabs | sdcsvax | nosc ]!crash!mwilson INET: mwilson@crash.CTS.COM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Marc Wilson ARPA: ...!crash!mwilson@nosc.mil ...!crash!pnet01!pro-sol!mwilson@nosc.mil UUCP: [ cbosgd | hp-sdd!hplabs | sdcsvax | nosc ]!crash!mwilson INET: mwilson@crash.CTS.COM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 90 01:55:08 GMT From: uhccux!munnari.oz.au!comp.vuw.ac.nz!cc-server4.massey.ac.nz!G.Moretti@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Giovanni Moretti) Subject: Wanted: help with CP/M+, CP/M3 or BIOS for NORTHSTAR (remember them:-) Message-ID: <1990Dec7.015508.8635@massey.ac.nz> Hi A friend of mine has recently purchased a NORTHSTAR cpm machine on which he wants to run either CP/M 3 or CP/M+ which he already owns but for another brand of CPM machine. To do this he needs a copy of the custom BIOS for the Northstar for CP/M. Can anyone help out, in any way? I hope this makes sense - my background was with M6809 and Flex so all I know of CPM machines is that they preceded the PC :-) The above is a transciption of what I wrote on the back of a punched card during his telephone call. Any help would be appreciated - it seems a pity to let perfectly good hardware die ... Thanks Giovanni -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Giovanni Moretti, Consultant | G.Moretti@massey.ac.nz, Pkt-ZL2BOI@ZL2BFJ Computer Centre, Massey University| Ph 64 63 69099 x8398, FAX 64 63 505607 Palmerston North, New Zealand | QUITTERS NEVER WIN, WINNERS NEVER QUIT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #198 ************************************* 7-Dec-90 14:22:08-MST,9436;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 7 Dec 90 14:15:37 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #199 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901207141539.V90N199@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 7 Dec 90 Volume 90 : Issue 199 Today's Topics: CP/M FTP sites? Dynabyte CP/M system - HELP! Hard drive for Kaypro II? (2 msgs) INTTERM - Problems on my KP2-84 Reply to Big Board II ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 07 Dec 90 09:21:08 CST From: Rob Caton Subject: CP/M FTP sites? Does someone know of FTP sites for CP/M stuff, other than Simtel? I'm particularly interested in Kaypro items... While I'm at it, how about some mail order companies too? Thanks! |==================================================================| | Rob Caton | | Disclaimer: | | Programmer/Analyst | "I live with danger | What? | | Washington University | everyday, J. R., | Me worry? | |-------------------------| but occasionally I |-----------------| | C08926RC@WUVMD | leave her and go hunting."--GABI | |==================================================================| ------------------------------ Date: 6 Dec 90 19:51:21 GMT From: csusac!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Ian Justman) Subject: Dynabyte CP/M system - HELP! Message-ID: donm@pnet07.cts.com (Don Maslin) writes: > cs202101@umbc5.umbc.edu writes: > >I was going to attempt writing a com program for it, > >but it appears to have a non-standard UART (I'm guessing that this chip > >is the UART, since there are two of these chips on the CPU card and they > >appear to be connected to the serial port connectors); the chips in question > >have TMS 5550 marked on them (if I recall correctly from when I had the > >CPU card removed from the system). > > There is an overlay for NightOwl Softwares MEX communication software for the > Dynabyte DB 8/1. The overlay is designated MXO-DB10.ASM, and should be on > many BBS that handle CP/M stuff along with the PD MEX114.LBR package. If the > overlay is not directly applicable, it should at least be similar. I wrote a number of overlays for a few other comm programs for the Dynabyte, like ZMP (my personal favorite) and Qterm and UUCP (these two I am a beta tester for and I run a UUCP site with it, namely ijsys (reachable via ...!ames!pacbell!sactoh0!ijsys!ianj)), and will continue to write. I'm debating whether I ought to write one for IMP, and I've been thinking of overhauling the MEX overlay because it doesn't support anything over 1200 baud. > >Is there anyone out there who is familiar with this system, its UARTS, > >or who has any ideas about how to get a communications and file transfer > >program set up and running on this system? Thanks in advance for any > >information. > > > If it would be useful, I can send you a uuencoded package called BOOTSTRP.LBR > which contains a couple of approaches to overcoming the initial 'no-comm' > hurdle. He may need an .LBR extractor, or it might be better to send the source (if any) straight to him because I don't think he has a LBR extractor for his Dynabyte. Or better yet, if he has a DOS box (or access to one), send him one for DOS. I've also talked to the guy. He doesn't have all that much for it except what he already has. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Dec 90 17:34:04 GMT From: usc!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!ogicse!zephyr.ens.tek.com!wrgate!dadla!donk@ucsd.edu (Donald C. Kirkpatrick) Subject: Hard drive for Kaypro II? Message-ID: <4445@wrgate.WR.TEK.COM> In article <1990Nov29.190503.22637@simasd.uucp> donm@pnet07.cts.com (Don Maslin) writes: >Give Brian a call at Emerald Microware 503/641-0347 > P.O. Box 1726 > Beaverton OR 97075 > >They market a kit that includes software, host board, and controller card for >the Kaypro. It is about $250. You supply the drive. > > - don I read this note on Thursday, November 29. The next day I grabed a hard disk, stuck my Kaypro under my arm, and drove over to Emerald Microware. The following Tuesday, I had a Kaypro with a 20 Meg hard disk. I sure can't complain about the service. The kit cost $245 and I payed them $100 to install it. I'm glad I let them install it because he worried about things I would not have considered. For example, if the hard disk is too close to the floppy, the motor current on the floppy will cause soft errors on the hard drive. Thanks for the tip, Don. -- -Don Kirkpatrick (donk@dadla.LA.TEK.COM) UUCP: {ihnp4 | decvax | ucbvax}!tektronix!dadla!donk ARPA: donk%dadla.LA.TEK.COM@RELAY.CS.NET ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 90 06:25:02 GMT From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!emory!hubcap!ncrcae!ncr-sd!simasd!simasd!pnet07!donm@ucsd.edu (Don Maslin) Subject: Hard drive for Kaypro II? Message-ID: <1990Dec7.062502.26956@simasd.uucp> donk@dadla.WR.TEK.COM (Donald C. Kirkpatrick) writes: > >I read this article on Thursday, November 29. The next day I tucked my >Kaypro under my arm, grabed a hard disk with my other hand, and payed >Emerald Microware a visit. On the following Tuesday, I picked up my >machine with a new (to me) 20 meg hard drive. That's what I call >service. > What long arms you have! > >Thanks for the tip Don. > You're welcome. - don Keeper of the CP/M System Disk | UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm Archives for the Dino(saur)SIG | ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil - San Diego Computer Society - | INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 90 16:19:54 GMT From: olivea!samsung!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!ea.ecn.purdue.edu!wieland@apple.com (Jeffrey J Wieland) Subject: INTTERM - Problems on my KP2-84 Message-ID: <1990Dec7.161954.28524@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> In article <6131@crash.cts.com> mwilson@crash.cts.com (Marc Wilson) writes: >In article <1990Dec5.155950.22108@ico.isc.com> mikeod@ico.isc.com (Mike O'Donnel) writes: > >>2. Why does it relocate handlers into different areas >> of memory and could this possibly be stomping on >> something. > > It moves itself above 8000h because it needs the ROM in order to >talk to the screen. The ROM comes in at 0h-8000h. If an interrupt >occurred while the program had the ROM enabled, the interrupt vector >would point to a random location in the ROM, not in the program. >Result: BLOOOIE! Also, in order for intterm to run on an '83 series Kaypro II or IV, it has to relocate itself above where the video RAM gets bank switched in. I believe that the video RAM is mapped in just above the ROM. Jumping into the middle of VRAM wouldn't be too healthy, either. The '84's use a 6845 video controller, and talk to it through the Z80 IO ports, the video RAM is not memory mapped. The '84's have all sorts of snazzy video attributes, but their video is much slower than the '83's. On the '83's, people have even bypassed the ROM and used the Z80 block move instruction to update the screen to make it even faster (like a lot of PC programs do). Of course, this makes the programs non-portable. On the '84's, it should be possible to talk to the 6845 directly to speed things up. The BackGrounder II screen driver for the '84's does just this. It redraws the Kaypro's screen faster than anything else I've seen. > >>3. Does anyone have a memory layout and tech. info for >> the KPII-84 that they would send me? > > Yes. MicroCornucopia has a schematic and theory of operation for the '84's (and '83's and the 10's also). It's interesting to get even just to read through and say: "Oh -- So THAT'S why it works that way!" I'd give you MicroC's address if I had it here at work. Email me if you want to get it from them -- I'll get their address for you. -- Jeff Wieland wieland@acn.purdue.edu ------------------------------ Date: 6 Dec 90 19:35:51 GMT From: csusac!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Ian Justman) Subject: Reply to Big Board II Message-ID: fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes: > well, what i meant was could i connect my 8 inch drives to an existing > AT HD controller and get the thing to work with uniform?? the reason > why is because compaticards aren't exactly cheap, and i'd like to > avoid that step if possible. i can make a proper cable, but i need to > know if uniform understands such a setup. I've been wondering that myself, but I have an XT and I have an SA851 busy doing nothing at the moment... However, if that bit fails, you might try 22DISK. It has some text in there about using 8" drives, and you can specify whether or not you're using a CompatiCard to drive it. ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #199 ************************************* 10-Dec-90 14:27:00-MST,15505;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 10 Dec 90 14:15:26 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #200 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901210141529.V90N200@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 10 Dec 90 Volume 90 : Issue 200 Today's Topics: CP/M system disks INFO-CPM Digest V90 #199 old computer info needed Reply to Big Board II System use of Z80 registers thanx! Z280 preassembler Z80DMA & DART ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 9 Dec 90 07:45:04 GMT From: mvb.saic.com!ncr-sd!simasd!simasd!pnet07!donm@ucsd.edu (Don Maslin) Subject: CP/M system disks Message-ID: <1990Dec9.074504.13103@simasd.uucp> I have had several requests for a list of the system disks available in the SDCS Dino-SIG archive that I keep. Happily, the archive is a dynamic thing with new editions coming in aperiodically. If you have something that you think I should have, please e-mail me about it. Likewise, if you need something that I do have, send e-mail also. I will probably re-post this list every so often, unless I get flamed too much for excessive bandwidth. - don ----------------------- cut here ----------------------- Available CP/M System Disks Name Format Description ACTRIX SSDD Access Actrix system disk ADVANCED DIGITAL CORP SUPRQUAD SSSD ADC 8" CP/M 2.2 system disk ALSPA 61KCPM3B SSDD ALSPA ACIDOS (CP/M) system disk AMPRO LBSYSB DSDD Littleboard system disk LBSYS-E DSDD Littleboard system - enhanced BIGBOARD 60KCPM22 SSSD CP/M 60K system disk X4ACPM22 SSSD CP/M system disk - variant CCS CCS-CPM SSSD California Computer Systems 2810/2422@ 9600 baud COMPUPRO CPMPM816 SSDD CompuPro 8/16 MP/M @19.2K baud CMPRO816 DSQD Compupro 8/16 system disk - 96tpi DEC Rainbow DECRBW86 SSQD DOS for Rainbow DECRBW96 SSQD DOS variant DRCDUTIL SSQD CORVUS utilities DRCPM86 SSQD CP/M-86 for Rainbow DELTA DLTADCPM SSSD Delta D CP/M v2.0 EAGLE EAGLII DSDD EAGLE II system disk EAGLIII DSQD EAGLE III system disk EPSON EPSNQX10 DSDD Epson QX-10 system disk ICM/SDCC CPZ4800x ICM-SDD SSDD ICM system disk SDCC-SDD SSDD SDCC system disk INTERTEC SUPERBRAIN & COMPUSTAR QD-BIOS4 DSDD System disk w/ experimental BIOS SBRAIN32 SSDD SUPERBRAIN v 3.2 system disk VPU30ENH SSDD COMPUSTAR enhanced system disk VPU30NON SSDD COMPUSTAR non-enhanced system disk VPU30NRM SSDD COMPUSTAR non-enhanced system disk JADE JADE-DD SSDD Jade Double D CP/M KAYPRO K10FLOAD DSDD CP/M 2.2F system disk (81-302-C) K10HLOAD DSDD CP/M 2.2H system disk (81-302-C) K10RELOD DSDD CP/M 2.2F reload disk (81-302-C) K10URLOD DSDD CP/M 2.2U reload disk (U ROM) K2X22G DSDD CP/M 2.2G system disk (81-292-A) K4836765 DSDD CP/M 2.2F system disk (81-232-A) K4836768 DSDD CP/M 2.2F system disk (81-232-A) K483FDSD DSDD CP/M 2.2F system disk (81-232-A) KII-6085 SSDD CP/M 2.2F system disk (81-232-A) KII-SSDD SSDD CP/M 2.2F system disk (81-232-A) KP-TROM DSDD CP/M 2.2T system disk (ADVENT T'ROM) KP22GDSD DSDD CP/M 2.2G system disk (81-292-A) KPII-OLD SSDD CP/M 2.2F system disk (81-232-A) KPRO-II SSDD CP/M 2.2F system disk (81-232-A) KPROSSDD SSDD CP/M 2.2F system disk (81-232-A) PRO884MX DSDD CP/M 2.2M system disk (MICRO C PRO-884-MAX) MONROE MONROE88 DSDD Monroe 88 CP/M system disk MORROW MD-2 MD2PRGMR SSDD Programmer utilities MOMD216 SSDD System disk rev 1.6 MOMD2R13 SSDD System disk rev 1.3 MOMD2R16 SSDD System disk rev 1.6 MOMD2R1X SSDD System disk rev 1.x MOMD2R21 SSDD System disk rev 2.1 MORROW MD-3 MOMD3R22 DSDD CP/M 2.2 System disk rev 2.2 MOMD3R23 DSDD CP/M 2.2 System disk rev 2.3 MOMD3R31 DSDD CP/M 2.2 System disk rev 3.1 MORROW MD-5/11 (HD Models) MD5-BOOT DSDD MD-5 system disk MD5-GEN3 DSDD MD-5 CP/M 3.0 system generation files MD11DSK1 DSDD MD-11 distribution disk #1 MD11DSK2 DSDD MD-11 distribution disk #2 FORMAT23 ARC Format program & mods for 96tpi drives NNC (No Name Computer) NBUG22 MAC NNC OASIS Computer monitor ROM source NBUG22 ROM NNC OASIS Computer monitor ROM OSBORNE OS1SYS SSDD Osborne 1 system disk OTRONA OATTACHE DSDD Otrona Attache' system disk RADIO SHACK TRSIILBT SSDD Lifeboat CP/M for TRS-80 Model II LIFEBOAT SSDD More '' '' '' '' ''Model II TRSDOSII SSDD TRS Model II TRSDOS system disk SANYO SMBC1100 DSDD Sanyo MBC-1100 system disk SIERRA CPM22DD SSSD CP/M 2.2 DD system disk CPM22HDS SSSD CP/M 2.2 HD system disk CPM22S SSSD CP/M 2.2 SD system disk MPM2CS SSSD MP/M 2 system disk MPM2MS SSSD MP/M 2 system disk TARBELL TARBLCPM SSSD Tarbell FDC CP/M TELEVIDEO TPC-1 DSDD Televideo TPC-1 (portable) system disk TS-802H DSDD Televideo TS-802H system disk TS-803 DSDD Televideo TS-803 system disk XEROX 820 5SYS-II SSDD 820-II 5.25" system disk s/n DC0003121 5WP-II SSDD 820-II 5.25" word processor dsk s/n DC0003121 8202SIS5 SSDD 820-II 5.25" system disk s/n DC0003121 8202SYS8 SSDD 820-II 8" system disk s/n DC1001697 8202CPM5 SSDD 820-II 5.25" system disk s/n DC0003121 820DIA5 SSSD 820 5.25" diagnostics s/n BD0053000 820DIA8 SSSD 820 8" diagnostics s/n BD0050266 820SSSD SSSD 820 8" system disk s/n BS0054300 820SYS5 SSSD 820 5.25" system disk s/n BW0061446 820SYS8 SSSD 820 8" system disk s/n BS0050484 820SYS8S SSSD 820 8" system disk s/n BS0050484 820WP8 SSSD 820 8" word processor disk s/n BW0050522 Zenith Z100 Z100CPM DSDD CP/M 2.2 system disk Z100DOSA DSDD ZDOS disk A Z100DOSB DSDD ZDOS disk B Z100ZPC DSDD ZDOS variant ZDOS100A DSDD ZDOS disk A ZDOS100B DSDD ZDOS disk B ZDOS310 DSDD ZDOS v3.10 ZMDOS218 DSDD Z100 MSDOS v2.18 ZOBEX ZOBX-SDD SSDD Zobex CP/M Keeper of the CP/M System Disk | UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm Archives for the Dino(saur)SIG | ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil - San Diego Computer Society - | INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 90 07:39:18 PST From: agordon@manta.nosc.mil (Alan Gordon) Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #199 Message-ID: <9012101539.AA08582@manta.nosc.mil> ------- Please delete me from the info-cpm list. Thank you. Al Gordon agordon@nosc.mil ------- ------------------------------ Date: 9 Dec 90 18:21:38 GMT From: rex!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!kwgst@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Karol Gieszczykiewicz) Subject: old computer info needed Message-ID: <69163@unix.cis.pitt.edu> (I posted to sci.electronics and they sent me here. I read ------------------------------ Date: 9 Dec 90 07:25:04 GMT From: mvb.saic.com!ncr-sd!simasd!simasd!pnet07!donm@ucsd.edu (Don Maslin) Subject: Reply to Big Board II Message-ID: <1990Dec9.072504.12658@simasd.uucp> fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes: > > now, i know the hardware of an AT floppy controller will be able to control >an 8 inch drive. that is understood without question, since it is basically >the same as the interface used with 8 inch drives. > > what i meant to ask was, "Does uniform know how to use the AT floppy >controller when it is connected to an 8 inch drive??" > It is necessary for UniForm to be 'advised' of the presence of a particular drive in order for it to access it. This is done in the AT's CMOS and/or in the config.sys file - depending on the controller, etc. In the case of CompatiCard, there is the statement: device = ccdriver (followed by appropriate hyroglyphics) that identifies the drive parameters. It may well be possible to accomplish the same thing using whatever driver your HDC/FDC uses to identify attached floppies. But, not having tried it, I don't know for sure. Hopefully some other reader does, and will share his wisdom with us. > > i know a compaticard would solve the problem, but in my situation that >is not an alternative. > That is understood and appreciated. - don Keeper of the CP/M System Disk | UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm Archives for the Dino(saur)SIG | ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil - San Diego Computer Society - | INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: 9 Dec 90 17:22:48 GMT From: catnip!bandy@lll-winken.llnl.gov (Gun Control is Hitting Your Target) Subject: System use of Z80 registers Message-ID: <663@catnip.berkeley.ca.us> I agree with Bridger, disagree with Tilmann and give my take on the situation, plus official word from DRI. Bridger Mitchell writes: >> I (and others) have long argued strenuously for strict adherence to >> the following systems-programming guideline: >> >> **** >> SYSTEM CODE (BIOS, BDOS, INTERRUPT-SERVICE ROUTINES, AND BACKGROUND >> UTILITIES) SHOULD *ALWAYS PRESERVE* THE NON-8080 REGISTERS. >> **** >> >> This rule ensures that an application that uses Z80 opcodes can run on >> any z80 system without having to save and restore any of those >> registers before every BIOS and BDOS call. tilmann@cosmo.UUCP (Tilmann Reh) writes: >That's a guideline I don't agree with. >Why should the system care about which registers the application program uses? Why? "Because CP/M is an **8080** operating system - thus it may only use 8080 registers." I got this reply back from Digital Research back in '80 when I asked them about the Z/80 registers. >Of course, interrupt routines must also save all registers they use, as this >are asynchronous events. That's right, but the silly people who did the Osborne-1 roms didn't. Hence perfectly valid Z80 applications that ran on other folks' systems would crash on the Osborne. >When will programmers (system *and* application) finally understand that >everything should be programmed as portable and universal as possible ? Exactly. Yes, it would make an application even more bullet proof to have it save all the Z80 registers [or don't use them :-)] before it called into BDOS/BIOS, but folks who write BIOS software should preserve the Z80 registers to help maintain compatibility with "incorrect" software. -- real address: bandy@catnip.berkeley.ca.us last choice: lll-winken!catnip.berkeley.ca.us!bandy ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 90 21:14:04 GMT From: snorkelwacker.mit.edu!think.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu!ephillip%magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Earl W Phillips) Subject: thanx! Message-ID: I just wanted to thank those who responded to my plea for help, regarding hooking up extra drives to a xerox 820-II system. The response is heartening! From ephillip@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu Fri Dec 7 14:50:41 1990 Flags: 000000000001 Received: by right.magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu (5.57/3.901025) id AA24810; Fri, 7 Dec 90 14:50:36 -0500 Date: Fri, 7 Dec 1990 14:50:35 EST From: Earl W Phillips To: ephillip@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu Message-Id: ***************************************************************** * | ====@==== //////// * * ephillip@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu | ``______// * * | `----' * * -JR- | Space;.....the final * * | frontier............ * ***************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 90 15:49:27 GMT From: att!linac!uwm.edu!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ira.uka.de!smurf!ipkama!freesid!horga!veeble!fifi@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Axel Zinser) Subject: Z280 preassembler Message-ID: <1990Dec5.154927.2765@veeble.north.de> Hi Netlanders, I've written a simple program to convert true Z280 mnenomics to Z80 so you can use your "old" Z80 assembler for assembling. If there's interest on the net I'll post it (about 25k). Axel -- Axel Zinser fifi@veeble.north.de || fifi@mcshh.hanse.de || fifi@cosmo.uucp VOICE: +49 511 699945 ...uunet!mcsun!unido!mcshh![veeble![hiss!]]}fifi ------------------------------ Date: 8 Dec 90 06:57:53 GMT From: snorkelwacker.mit.edu!hsdndev!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!cynic!pevans@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Phillip Evans) Subject: Z80DMA & DART Message-ID: <7imuT1w163w@cynic.wimsey.bc.ca> Hello all - I am disassembling a boot prom and need to know some Z80DMA and Z80DART stuff. The DMA gets sent 08hex as one of the first instructions - then it's not used again by the prom. The DART gets sent this sequence: 18 01 00 03 C1 04 44 05 68 00 (the last 00 might be superfluous) to initialise it, and then the command port is only used by the following bit of code. FiddleP1: XOR A ;zero A and reset flags OUT (DARTAStat),A ;send it out IN A,(DARTAStat) AND 1 ;mask on bit 0 SCF ;set this in case it was set RET Z ;ret if the bit was not set OUT (DARTAStat),A ;SEE QUESTION TWO BELOW IN A,(DARTAStat) AND 'p' ;70H - mask bits 456 RET Z ;ret if none of the above set IN A,(DATRADat) LD A,'0' ;30H - load A without affecting flags OUT (DARTAStat),A OR A RET Question ONE: What DOES the set of initialisation bytes do? Question TWO: What I need to know here are the meanings of the bits 0, 4, 5, and 6; what happens when the status register is loaded with the returned byte after it is masked with 0000 0001 binary; and what happnes when it is loaded with 030hex. No, I don't have a manual/set of data sheets, nor does either of the libraries I tried. Thanks in advance to anyone who can answer these questions for me... ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #200 ************************************* 11-Dec-90 11:25:43-MST,11134;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 11 Dec 90 11:15:08 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #201 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901211111510.V90N201@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 11 Dec 90 Volume 90 : Issue 201 Today's Topics: CP/M Benchmarks INTTERM - Problems on my KP2-84 Need description of CP/M filesystem structure Reply to Big Board II System use of Z80 registers The guy with the Osborne1... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 8 Dec 90 19:00:49 GMT From: usc!samsung!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ira.uka.de!smurf!subnet.sub.net!mcshh!tilmann@ucsd.edu (Tilmann Reh) Subject: CP/M Benchmarks Message-ID: <8487@mcshh.hanse.de> Doug Braun writes about CP/M Benchmarks. He's absolutely right: the problem is that there is no standard (not only C) compiler for CP/M. So, for testing the machine itself, we should at least take the most usual compiler around here. I guess, that is Turbo-Pascal 3.0. Perhaps the MBasic-Interpreter (though a hack) could serve for this purpose, too. So, if we use a standard set of test routines (i.e. for integer and real arithmetic, and for I/O on ramdisk/harddisk/floppy) and compile them with exactly the same compiler (Turbo-3), the results should be comparable. Although I use a Z280 too, I think it's not right to use modified compilers for benchmarks (except when the compliers are exactly the same, and we just want to compare some Z280 with each other). In that means, I'm using such a benchmark (published in c't magazine some years ago) for a long time. I might post the sources on the net, if there is interest. Tilmann Reh tilmann@mcshh.uucp tilmann@mcshh.hanse.de ------------------------------ Date: 8 Dec 90 19:45:02 GMT From: elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!wuarchive!emory!hubcap!ncrcae!ncr-sd!simasd!simasd!pnet07!donm@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Don Maslin) Subject: INTTERM - Problems on my KP2-84 Message-ID: <1990Dec8.194502.8538@simasd.uucp> wieland@ea.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeffrey J Wieland) writes: > >MicroCornucopia has a schematic and theory of operation for the '84's >(and '83's and the 10's also). It's interesting to get even just to >read through and say: "Oh -- So THAT'S why it works that way!" >I'd give you MicroC's address if I had it here at work. Email me >if you want to get it from them -- I'll get their address for you. >-- Bearing in mind that Micro C is no longer publishing, but is still selling some products, the address is: Micro Cornucopia P.O. Box 223 Bend OR 97709 - don Keeper of the CP/M System Disk | UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm Archives for the Dino(saur)SIG | ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil - San Diego Computer Society - | INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 90 02:02:13 GMT From: agate!shelby!msi.umn.edu!cs.umn.edu!quest!starfire!john@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (John Lind) Subject: Need description of CP/M filesystem structure Message-ID: <606@starfire.UUCP> I have gotten some firmware source on a 8" CP/M floppy and want to decode the filesystem. I went to "Software, Etc." and at least the guys working there had HEARD of CP/M... The files I want can probably be extracted just by sorting through the data sectors by hand, but I figure if I need to do this once, I might just need to do it again, and would enjoy doing it "right" anyway. comp.os.cpm readers: please respond by mail -- my system doesn't get this newsgroup. mn.general readers: I included you because I thought someone might have something I could drive over and look at, borrow, or have hiding under your desk or in the back of your bookshelf. -- John Lind, Starfire Consulting Services E-mail: john@starfire.MN.ORG USnail: PO Box 13001, Mpls MN 55414 ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 90 09:30:50 GMT From: rex!samsung!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!dali.cs.montana.edu!ogicse!zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!percy!nosun!techbook!fzsitvay@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Frank Zsitvay) Subject: Reply to Big Board II Message-ID: <1990Dec7.093050.16016@techbook.com> In article <9012031701.AA16292@icf.llnl.gov.llnl.gov> rzh@ICF.LLNL.GOV (R. Hanscom) writes: >In <1990Dec2.045012.25373@techbook.com> fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) >writes: > >> by the by, i have a question regarding 8 inch floppies on ibm >>clones. uniform is very handy in formatting oddball disk formats, >>but i was wondering if it is possible to use an 8 inch drive on an >>AT floppy controller to format and read 8 inch formats?? > >Check out Emerald in Oregon. They carry the "Compaticard" which is a PC >compatible disk controller. I don't have one, but they appear to handle >8" drives on a PC, although I believe the ads say that the AT will not >boot from an 8" drive (that may not be a big deal!). They are not cheap, >but seem to answer your needs. perhaps i didn't make myself clear. (entirely possible, since i'm human and not perfect...) it's the fact that the compaticard is not cheap that causes me to post the question in the first place. now, i know the hardware of an AT floppy controller will be able to control an 8 inch drive. that is understood without question, since it is basically the same as the interface used with 8 inch drives. what i meant to ask was, "Does uniform know how to use the AT floppy controller when it is connected to an 8 inch drive??" i have a space in my system's floppy storage system that is designed for AT compatible HD disk drives, but what i want to know is if i were to connect an 8 inch drive to it (with, of course, a cable that routes all of the signals where they should go) can i expect uniform to be able to work with this setup? currently, i have a western digital WD1003-WA2 controller with both a st225 and a teac HD drive connected to it. there is room to connect another floppy drive to the controller (it supports 2 drives), and i'd like to put my 8 inch drive on that. i know a compaticard would solve the problem, but in my situation that is not an alternative. -- fzsitvay@techbook.COM - but don't quote me on that.... American Oil Company motto - Bend over, We'll pump!!! ------------------------------ Date: 8 Dec 90 19:00:02 GMT From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ira.uka.de!smurf!subnet.sub.net!mcshh!tilmann@ucsd.edu (Tilmann Reh) Subject: System use of Z80 registers Message-ID: <8486@mcshh.hanse.de> In article <1990Dec4.131328.15594@ims.alaska.edu> floyd@ims.alaska.edu (Floyd Davidson) writes: > You're last statement does not follow from the first. For maximum > portability both should assume the other did it wrong. Of course, that is the safest way. But then, system behaviour is very well specified (see below). So I especially wanted to emphasize the responsibility of the application programmers (not to blame it all on the system programmers!). In article <1990Dec4.134833.17783@funet.fi> pl@news.funet.fi.tut.fi (Lehtinen Pertti) writes: > The point is, that CP/M is specified to 8080 and first Z80 versions > didn't use Z80-specific registers, so it appeared, that applications > were free to use those registers without saving/restoring. Sorry, but that's not logical. If one uses Z80 opcodes in an application, he must be aware that at least the BIOS also uses these instructions. > System routine usually saves only those registers it really uses, > so I don't really see, if it matters, who saves the registers, > as long as it is clearly specified somewhere. Of course, in fact it doesn't matter *who* saves. Just that the system may save registers which aren't used by the application at all. As for the spec's: see below. > Yes, this is sure way to do that. But what is needed, is clear > specification, which registers should be preserved and which not, > just as in every subroutine calling standard. > If system specification says which registers are to be preserved, > it would be very easy. I wonder if anyone of you ever read the CP/M Programmers Guide. In this (original DRI) document there is the clear specification. The CP/M-Plus Programmers Guide (as I use CP/M-Plus) tells me on page 27: When a transient program makes a BDOS function call, the BDOS does not restore registers to their entry values before returning to the calling program. The responsiblity for saving and restoring any critical register values rests with the calling program. So everyone who writes (or wants to write) applications programs should please read the specifications before doing so. Of course, that quotation doesn't mention Z80 registers. But if you think logically and carefully look at the sentence, it is absolutely clear that *every* register may be changed after returning from a system call. BTW, even commercial programs may have bugs: In Turbo-Pascal 3.0, the IX and IY registers aren't saved before calling the Console Input routine, but used afterwards. So be careful. (every other Char I/O is ok!) Tilmann Reh tilmann@mcshh.uucp tilmann@mcshh.hanse.de ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 90 02:44:31 GMT From: cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!kwgst@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Karol W Gieszczykiewicz) Subject: The guy with the Osborne1... Message-ID: <69636@unix.cis.pitt.edu> Greetings. I have great news! I went out a got a fully functional Kaypro 10! WITH all the manuals and most disks. ALL FOR $10 (even includes zipped velcro case)! Anyways, I still would like to get some stuff for the Osborne, but if anyone out there want's one of mine, it's $50 plus you pay shipping. No docs or disks but I might make copies if I get some for my other O1. I have a feeling that the Kaypro 10 is better than my //e :-( It's nice to have a 10MB drive (true, it's slow. Can I just slip in a 40MB and take advantage of the decreased access time? even if I still get 10MB...) It has WordStar, lots of games, Superterm, etc. installed on drive B0: (I'll have to read about it later) and comes with a 5+1/4" floppy. Quite nice. Has a parallel, serial and a modem port so I don't need cards, like in my Apple... Anyways, as for the O1, it's definitely going to be a security system and I'll use the K10 as a "toy" (read:MAC). Take care. P.S. Is the little fan supposed to be on all the time or just when it gets too hot? Also, the POWER led does not light, but everything works.... ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #201 ************************************* 13-Dec-90 07:25:57-MST,10344;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 13 Dec 90 07:15:11 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #202 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901213071512.V90N202@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 13 Dec 90 Volume 90 : Issue 202 Today's Topics: CP/M Benchmarks Kaypro needs your help Need WordStar utility Otrona hard drive System use of Z80 registers UUCP and CPM Plus ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 12 Dec 90 06:00:02 GMT From: mintaka!olivea!samsung!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!cynic!pevans@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Phillip Evans) Subject: CP/M Benchmarks Message-ID: > So, if we use a standard set of test routines (i.e. for integer and real > arithmetic, and for I/O on ramdisk/harddisk/floppy) and compile them with > exactly the same compiler (Turbo-3), the results should be comparable. > Although I use a Z280 too, I think it's not right to use modified compilers > for benchmarks (except when the compliers are exactly the same, and we > just want to compare some Z280 with each other). > In that means, I'm using such a benchmark (published in c't magazine some > years ago) for a long time. I might post the sources on the net, if there > is interest. > > Tilmann Reh tilmann@mcshh.uucp > tilmann@mcshh.hanse.de I'm interested. Let's have the code. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 90 08:33:04 GMT From: wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!kwgst@eddie.mit.edu (Karol Gieszczykiewicz) Subject: Kaypro needs your help Message-ID: <69487@unix.cis.pitt.edu> Greetings. I got 2 Kaypro 10's. I turn one of them on, nice menu appears, I can use any software I choose, play games, etc. I turn the other on and the hard disk refuses to boot up... no matter what I do. I put in a system disk, get the A0> prompt, type "dir b:", light goes on, head unparks, I get a "BDos err on B: Bad Sector", same for drive C:.... But, interestingly, if I wait for the head to park (not sure if this is normal - it makes a funny sound), and hit spacebar, I can sometimes get a whole directory and only get an error on the last line... I can't run FINDBAD though :-) Also, it appears that I got the computer with its heads UNparked... head (gasp) crash? But why would it show me the directory sometimes (about 1 out of 60 times) Does anyone have/know of a program that will format and partition a new/old hardrive? FMTFLPY (sp?) does not work, neither does MFDISK... I gues I will need a WD-1002-WD0 controller card if the hard drive is ok, anyone have one - REAL CHEAP? I have other ST-212 hard drives at home so swapping one is no problem. I'm also handy with a soldering iron if anyone has any pointers. I don't want to put too much money into it because I have so many other micros (//+,//e,vic,c64,s100,sun,apollo,osborne,timex,vic20, and a pdp 11/73 (whew) :-) that I don't mind trashing this one (for parts) ;-) Also, my other system can not boot from the hard drive, but it did come with a statup disk. I can use the hard drive with no problems. One problem, to make a floppy, one needs to have A: and B: to be hard drives and C: to be the floppy, but if I have to boot with a floppy, IT gets the A: and B: and C: are hard drives. The GENFLPY program just barfs and exits with a configuration error. Anyone know a way around that? CONFIG does not seem to list it there. Yes, I did look on simtel and wuarchive... nothing useful. Besides, I can't download anything. [this is getting long] Also, if I can prove that I have the manuals for a program, will they send me a copy of a disk so I can use? (WordStar, for example?) Take care. P.S. I am/will archive all I get. Please e-mail, reading news is expen$ive... ;-) ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 90 14:34:58 GMT From: tindle@g.ms.uky.edu (Ken Tindle) Subject: Need WordStar utility Message-ID: <16529@s.ms.uky.edu> I'm using WordStar on an Osborne 1 along with Kermit, trying to program a microcomputer board I built using BASIC-52 (Intel). Files created with WordStar must contain some binary characters, which is ruining the "raw" upload of program code to the uC board. I need a real, flat ASCII file on disk- so is there easily available a utility to massage WordStar output? I suppose one could use PIP's Z option, and/or an MBASIC program- but I'll bet this is a problem others have already beaten. True? --------------------------\ /----------------------------------------------- INTERNET:tindle@ms.uky.edu | "Could you please continue the petty bickering? BITNET: tindle@ukma.bitnet | I find it most intriguing." --- Data, Ken Tindle - Lexington, KY | Star Trek, The Next Generation, "Haven" --------------------------/ \----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 90 20:54:41 GMT From: farris@marlin.nosc.mil (Russell H. Farris) Subject: Otrona hard drive Message-ID: <1671@marlin.NOSC.MIL> First, thanks to everyone who helped me with my earlier questions on Otronas. BTW, Mycroft appears to be defunct. I recently acquired an Otrona/IEEE-488 hard drive. Unfortunately, the drive stops working after 10-15 minutes of operation. The problem appears to be in the controller card in the external drive box. 1. Have any of you ever encountered a similar problem? 2. Does anyone have: a. documentation for the Otrona HD? b. an extra HD controller card (or an entire HD assembly) for sale? c. an extra 128k/IEEE-488 board for sale? d. a C-compiler for the Otrona? e. HD diagnostic programs for CPM machines? Thanks, Russ Farris (farris@marlin.nosc.mil) (619) 553-4129 Code 444 271 Catalina Blvd "As for Gunnar I cannot speak, San Diego, Calif 92152-5000 but his halberd is home!" Njal's Saga ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 90 02:45:19 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!percy!nosun!techbook!fzsitvay@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Frank Zsitvay) Subject: System use of Z80 registers Message-ID: <1990Dec12.024519.7306@techbook.com> In article <663@catnip.berkeley.ca.us> bandy@catnip.berkeley.ca.us (Gun Control is Hitting Your Target) writes: >>> I (and others) have long argued strenuously for strict adherence to >>> the following systems-programming guideline: >>> >>> **** >>> SYSTEM CODE (BIOS, BDOS, INTERRUPT-SERVICE ROUTINES, AND BACKGROUND >>> UTILITIES) SHOULD *ALWAYS PRESERVE* THE NON-8080 REGISTERS. >>> **** >>> >>> This rule ensures that an application that uses Z80 opcodes can run on >>> any z80 system without having to save and restore any of those >>> registers before every BIOS and BDOS call. >>That's a guideline I don't agree with. >>Why should the system care about which registers the application program uses? > >Why? "Because CP/M is an **8080** operating system - thus it may only use >8080 registers." I got this reply back from Digital Research back in '80 >when I asked them about the Z/80 registers. well, CP/M itself doesn't use the special registers, but the BIOS might, since that was supplied from the manufacturer of the machine. there is another problem, though, in that some z-80 BIOS' were written in such way that the index registers of the z-80 as well as the alternate register set were used as temporary storage between calls, and applications that used these registers would bomb on machines that expected those values to still be there. CP/M itself (for BDOS calls) doesn't preserve any registers. (which led to programs being littered with PUSH B! PUSH D! PUSH H and corresponding pops after each BDOS call) perhaps it would be best to assume the bios doesn't save the special registers in the z-80. but an unacceptable situation is where the BIOS requires the application to not change the value of those registers. sure, CP/M is an 8080 operating system, but since most CP/M machines still working these days are Z-80 based, then perhaps it should be considered a z-80 operating system. writing applications to run under z-80 CP/M should be free to use those registers, but not expect the operating system to preserve the contents. (exception - interrupt handlers.) people who own machines with a BIOS that does store values in special z80 registers would probably have to hack their BIOS so that it doesn't. those writing programs that use special z80 registers should PUSH them before a BDOS call and POP them after the call, assuming they need to save the contents of those registers. -- fzsitvay@techbook.COM - but don't quote me on that.... American Oil Company motto - Bend over, We'll pump!!! ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 90 22:57:26 GMT From: mcsun!ukc!axion!tharr!pm111@uunet.uu.net (Paul Martin) Subject: UUCP and CPM Plus Message-ID: <1490@tharr.UUCP> Two queries: Does anyone have Dave Goodenough's UUCP suite of version later than 2.1a (9)? If so, could they mail me that they have it. I don't want them to mail it to me - I would then get 3+ copies of it. (I pay by kilobyte). What is the convention for the "true" file length byte in CPM Plus? (It's set by setting flag f6' and putting the byte value in CR). I assume it is the number of unused bytes in the last sector. Is this right? -- If life is just a bowl of cherries, you'd better watch out for the stones. Paul Martin. pm111@tharr.uucp INTERNET: pm111%tharr.uucp@ukc.ac.uk <-- tharr *free* public access to Usenet in the UK 0234 261804 --> ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #202 ************************************* 13-Dec-90 14:27:22-MST,11074;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 13 Dec 90 14:15:17 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #203 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901213141518.V90N203@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 13 Dec 90 Volume 90 : Issue 203 Today's Topics: Kaypro II communications at high baud rates Need WordStar utility (2 msgs) uniform and 8 inch cpm formats on AT controllers (2 msgs) UUCP and CPM Plus ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 13 Dec 90 18:16:17 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!sirius.ucs.adelaide.edu.au!levels!etrmg@uunet.uu.net (What a Guy!) Subject: Kaypro II communications at high baud rates Message-ID: <15766.2767c571@levels.sait.edu.au> In article <1990Dec5.125959.2947@techbook.com>, fzsitvay@techbook.com (Frank Zsitvay) writes: > In article <7632@hub.ucsb.edu> crmeyer@nobbs.physics.ucsb.edu writes: > > i imagine this is due to the screen handling routines in ROM, as it > apparently takes more time to handle a carriage return than it does to > put a char on the screen. On mine, it's due to having to scroll the screen contens up a line. I've got an 84 model or three, and it keeps chars fine after a screen clear until it hits line 25 and then begins to scroll and lose chars 3 to 6 of every line. Really annoying. Got the uC Max Rom and it worked until I got a Maestro 2400ZXR modem. Now it's just as bad as before with 1200 baud! I changed the 6845 too and it does make a difference, but not enough. We're gonna have to fix this one for good Guys! Damn. > > the best solution would be to use a lower baud rate until you can either > increase the processor speed or install a rom that handles the screen > quicker. at 2400 baud, i have no problems when i configure the host system > to insert 3 nulls after every carriage return. at 9600 baud you'd probably > need 40 or 50 of them. My prob is that not all BBS'es let you use Nulls anymore. Why the newest & "best" BBS software doesn't do this is beyond me! Ronn ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 90 22:16:52 GMT From: cica!news.cs.indiana.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!milo.mcs.anl.gov!sirius.mcs.anl.gov!winans@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (John Winans) Subject: Need WordStar utility Message-ID: <1990Dec12.221652.8057@mcs.anl.gov> In article <16529@s.ms.uky.edu> tindle@ms.uky.edu (Ken Tindle) writes: >I'm using WordStar on an Osborne 1 along with Kermit, trying to program >a microcomputer board I built using BASIC-52 (Intel). > >Files created with WordStar must contain some binary characters, which is >ruining the "raw" upload of program code to the uC board. > >I need a real, flat ASCII file on disk- so is there easily available a >utility to massage WordStar output? > >I suppose one could use PIP's Z option, and/or an MBASIC program- but I'll >bet this is a problem others have already beaten. True? Hmmm... I have NOT used word-scar in years, but I recall that if you use it in "document mode" by selecting "open document file" on it's mail menu, it will set the high order bits of the first (or was it the last) character in wach string token (ie. word in a sentence.) You can opt for opening your files in "non-document" mode and this will not happen, but you will see some other differences like fixed tab sizes and so on. I always used non-doc mode when in word-scar when I was using it for this exact reason. I think it is safe to say that in non-doc mode, word-scar is like a full screen ed. If you do not know what I am talking about, then either wordstar is not what it was 10 years ago, or you have never run it w/o specifying a file name as the file to edit. Just run it w/o any perameters and you will get a menu that includes "open doc file" and "open non-doc file". I think there was also some way to set it up so that non-doc was the default mode with some setup program that it came with. Hope that's it. -- ! John Winans Advanced Computing Research Facility ! ! winans@mcs.anl.gov Argonne National Laboratory, Illinois ! ! ! !"The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away"-- Tom Waits ! ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 90 21:23:13 GMT From: amethyst!organpipe!afthree.as.arizona.edu!tom@noao.edu (Thomas J. Trebisky) Subject: Need WordStar utility Message-ID: <699@organpipe.UUCP> In article <16529@s.ms.uky.edu> tindle@ms.uky.edu (Ken Tindle) writes: > >Files created with WordStar must contain some binary characters, which is >ruining the "raw" upload of program code to the uC board. >I need a real, flat ASCII file on disk- so is there easily available a >utility to massage WordStar output? The thing to do (perhaps you know this) is to run wordstar in non-document mode - then you read and write plain old ascii files and all is well. A contract I have made with myself is to NEVER type the filename to be edited on the command line (wordstar is most commonly installed to use document mode by default - putting all those nasty binary chars in your file (and setting the 8th bit in some others as well as part of it's way of "marking" up your file.) Then type N and then type your filename --- if you mistakenly start wordstar in document mode on your 2999 line source file DON'T SAVE IT!!! use the abort and exit command (whatever that is, I forget), and start over. If you did save it ......... ....... you poor guy ..... try the following recipe. Just talked to my CPM guru nextdoor and he says to write a simple filter that does this - Read the file byte by byte. Force the high bit in every byte to zero on every byte read. Delete every byte that is < 0x20 (blank) and that is not 0x09, 0x0a, 0x0c, 0r 0x0d (tab,newline,formfeed,return). A code fragment in C would be something like this: (this has not been tested, but this is the idea) while ( c = getchar() ) { c &= 0x7f; if ( c < 0x20 ) { if ( c == 0x09 || c == 0x0a || c == 0x00c || c == 0x0d ) putchar(c); } else putchar(c); } ttrebisky@as.arizona.edu (internet) ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 90 10:16:26 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!percy!nosun!techbook!fzsitvay@uunet.uu.net (Frank Zsitvay) Subject: uniform and 8 inch cpm formats on AT controllers Message-ID: <1990Dec12.101626.16284@techbook.com> well, after a little experimentation, it seems that uniform DOES know how to massage an AT disk controller (HD) to produce 8 inch disk formats. however, i do not know if the formats it produces are readable on 8 inch machines. all i did was install my dsqd 5.25 inch drive as an 8 inch dsdd drive, and try the 8 inch formats. it does format the 5.25 inch drive as either 77 or 154 tracks (depending on single or double sided formats) and it can read its own formats. now, to find out for sure if you can use an AT floppy port, I (or someone who has a spare floppy) will have to wire up an 8 inch drive to the 5.25 inch controller and see if it really does work. i had a file around here that showed how to wire a HD drive to an 8 inch port, and imagine that i'll have to use the same cable for the 8 inch drive to 5.25 inch controller. problem is, it's buried in a couple boxes of 8 inch cp/m disks and i don't relish the thought of spelunking into that box to find it. besides, since there are probably other people on the net that want this information, could someone be so kind as to post that file for us?? also, if anyone has any comments or suggestions concerning making a cable for this, feel free to add to the discussion. i'm going to have to visit the library sometime later in the week and see what signals on the interface will have to go where, and work from that, but if someone knows it off of the top of their head, it would save me a trip into downtown portland, something i also do not relish. and lastly, if someone does try this and get it working, please let everyone else know of your success, and perhaps even post some tips on getting it all to work. but it looks like the hard part is over. uniform does know how to work a HD controller. -- fzsitvay@techbook.COM - but don't quote me on that.... American Oil Company motto - Bend over, We'll pump!!! ------------------------------ Date: 13 Dec 90 13:36:40 GMT From: prism!jm59@gatech.edu (MILLS,JOHN M.) Subject: uniform and 8 inch cpm formats on AT controllers Message-ID: <18617@hydra.gatech.EDU> I have an SD-Systems setup, using their Versafloppy III (?) from back before the flood. This controller has a connector for 5 in. drives, but I've been unsuccessful getting it to run an AT-style (dshd) drive. Any suggestions welcome: is the connector the same for the hd drive as for the dsdd model? Termination of cable req'd? Jumpers somewhere? Symptoms are that my FORMAT selects the drive and steps across it (trying various formats originally intended for 5 in. drives), then doesn't find the format when I look for the directory, use STAT, or run DTYPE (a drive checking utility which looks at formats). Any suggestions welcome. BTW, the card set originally came from JADE. It has worked impeccably, except I had apparently a defective mapping PROM, for which JADE sold me a replacement. Thanks. :=). -- MILLS,JOHN M. Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!jm59 Internet: jm59@prism.gatech.edu ------------------------------ Date: 13 Dec 90 11:57:07 GMT From: uupsi!sunic!dkuug!iddth!iddth2!ns@nyu.edu (Nick Sandru (langt haar)) Subject: UUCP and CPM Plus Message-ID: pm111@tharr.UUCP (Paul Martin) writes: [ ... ] >What is the convention for the "true" file length byte in CPM Plus? >(It's set by setting flag f6' and putting the byte value in CR). >I assume it is the number of unused bytes in the last sector. Is this right? It is the number of the _used_ bytes in the last 128-byte record. >-- >If life is just a bowl of cherries, you'd better watch out for the stones. > Paul Martin. pm111@tharr.uucp INTERNET: pm111%tharr.uucp@ukc.ac.uk > <-- tharr *free* public access to Usenet in the UK 0234 261804 --> Long Haired Nick -- | Nick Sandru (alias Long Haired Nick) | Backpacker's First Law: | Hoje Topholm 37 | e-mail: | "The thing you need lies either | DK-3390 Hundested | ns@iddth.id.dk | in the bottom of your backpack, | Denmark | ns@iddth2.id.dk | or in a closet at your home..." ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #203 ************************************* 14-Dec-90 08:13:52-MST,4492;000000000000 Mail-From: W8SDZ created at 14-Dec-90 08:06:59 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 14 Dec 90 08:06:59 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #204 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901214080659.V90N204@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 14 Dec 90 Volume 90 : Issue 204 Today's Topics: Need WordStar utility Pure ASCII Files from WordStar uniform and 8 inch cpm formats on AT controllers (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 13 Dec 90 14:23:28 GMT From: tindle@g.ms.uky.edu (Ken Tindle) Subject: Need WordStar utility Message-ID: <16538@s.ms.uky.edu> In article <699@organpipe.UUCP> tom@afthree.as.arizona.edu (Thomas J. Trebisky) writes: >The thing to do (perhaps you know this) is to run wordstar in >non-document mode - then you read and write plain old ascii files and >all is well. Even in non-document mode, WordStar will set the high bit of the character the cursor is on at the time of the disk save. It's entirely too nervous for my application, unless the output is filtered through an external utility. >Just talked to my CPM guru nextdoor and he says to write a simple >filter that does this - >Read the file byte by byte. >Force the high bit in every byte to zero on every byte read. >Delete every byte that is < 0x20 (blank) and that is >not 0x09, 0x0a, 0x0c, 0r 0x0d (tab,newline,formfeed,return). Now that is good advice- too bad the original authors of WordStar were too brain-dead re:ascii files. There's no reason they couldn't have built this code into the program- except nobody's perfect; I guess they didn't think of it? I dunno, except they do massage the file for video display, just not to disk. Not too bright. --------------------------\ /----------------------------------------------- INTERNET:tindle@ms.uky.edu | "Could you please continue the petty bickering? BITNET: tindle@ukma.bitnet | I find it most intriguing." --- Data, Ken Tindle - Lexington, KY | Star Trek, The Next Generation, "Haven" --------------------------/ \----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 90 09:01:09 -0500 From: Jay Sage Subject: Pure ASCII Files from WordStar Message-ID: <9012140901.AA22742@LL.MIT.EDU> Ken Tindle said: >> Files created with WordStar must contain some binary characters, which is >> ruining the "raw" upload of program code to the uC board. WordStar files created in DOCUMENT mode have many characters with the high bit set, especially when justification has been turned on. However, if you create the document in NONDOCUMENT mode, then it should be a pure ASCII file, or so I have always believed. >> I need a real, flat ASCII file on disk- so is there easily available a >> utility to massage WordStar output? There are utilities that will do this, but why don't you try using WordStar's own nondocument mode? ------------------------------ Date: 13 Dec 90 21:48:10 GMT From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!julius.cs.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!iboga!berger@ucsd.edu (Mike Berger) Subject: uniform and 8 inch cpm formats on AT controllers Message-ID: <1990Dec13.214810.21079@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> I have hooked up 8" drives to standard XT floppy disk controllers with some slight additional circuitry. I was able to use the Maynard FDC drivers in Uniform. I am not sure whether the additional hardware is necessary for an AT disk controller. -- Mike Berger Department of Statistics, University of Illinois AT&TNET 217-244-6067 Internet berger@atropa.stat.uiuc.edu ------------------------------ Date: 13 Dec 90 20:27:57 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!gvgpsa!gold.gvg.tek.com!grege@uunet.uu.net (Greg Ebert) Subject: uniform and 8 inch cpm formats on AT controllers Message-ID: <1798@gold.gvg.tek.com> The 1.2M floppy format uses the same data-transfer rate as an 8" drive (500Kbits/sec). This is also true for 1.44M drives. 360K floppies use the standard 250Kbits/sec. All IBM formats use MFM (Double-density). CP/M uses FM (single density), and MFM. ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #204 ************************************* 16-Dec-90 07:25:56-MST,9547;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Sun, 16 Dec 90 07:15:09 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #205 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901216071510.V90N205@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Sun, 16 Dec 90 Volume 90 : Issue 205 Today's Topics: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #203 Is MIX C still available for cp/m? Massaging WStar output Need WordStar utility (4 msgs) PBBS 4.5: the sequel? uniform and 8 inch cpm formats on AT controllers You don't need a WordStar utility ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Dec 90 11:04 CDT From: Arun Baheti Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #203 RE: WordStar Utility Try Irv Hoff's FILT7, which should be available on your local RCP/M or SIMTEL20. If all else fails, message me and I will send you a copy. FILT7 is pretty good, and has several options built into the program. Its other upside is that it is fast and small (ie: it won't hog a chunk of your disk space). --ab ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Dec 90 15:05 CST From: LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA Subject: Is MIX C still available for cp/m? Message-ID: Hello everyone, Some time ago someone on this newsgroup mentioned a C compiler by MIX Software for cp/m. Does anyone know if this compiler is still available? As I recall, the package was around $25US and included a book on C, does anyone have any other details to share? Your assistance is appreciated. Lance Tagliapietra taglance@ucs.uwplatt.edu or taglance@uwplatt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 90 12:24 EDT From: Roly Poly Milk Tins Subject: Massaging WStar output THere is a program called VDOEDIT (sp?) in Simtel that is a raw-text word processor with WORDSTAR COMMANDS!!! (which I assume is the only reason why you'd want to hold on to WS despite its peculiarity). In fact, the "binary" elements in the WOrdstar output can be removed, I think, by "clearing" the MSB (bit 7) of each byte. Word star uses all ASCII code for formating (unlike, say, WOrdPerfect), so getting rid of the end- of-word markers would just do fine. -John ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 1990 19:29:05 PST From: sprague.wbst311@xerox.com Subject: Need WordStar utility Message-ID: <"14-Dec-90 22:29:05 EST".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com> > Even in non-document mode, WordStar will set the high bit of the character > the cursor is on at the time of the disk save. Hmmmm, time to play with WordStar again. I have never had that happen to me (in 3.3 and 4.0). Not that I don't believe it, mind you, I just want to see it for myself. :-) ~ Mike (Sprague.Wbst311@Xerox.Com) ------------------------------ Date: 14 Dec 90 04:57:52 GMT From: van-bc!ve7apu!smits@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Bob Smits - VE7EMD) Subject: Need WordStar utility Message-ID: <1990Dec14.045752.21810@ve7apu.uucp> Expires: References: <16529@s.ms.uky.edu> <4474@sactoh0.SAC.CA.US> Sender:Robert Sts Reply-To: smits@ve7apu.UUCP (PUT YOUR NAME HERE) Followup-To: Distribution: na Organization: VADCG, Richmond, B.C. Keywords: In article <4474@sactoh0.SAC.CA.US> tcs@sactoh0.SAC.CA.US (Ted C. Smith) writes: >> Files created with WordStar must contain some binary characters, which >is >> ruining the "raw" upload of program code to the uC board. >> >Actually, I doubt that anyone created such a program for CP/M as PIP was >available to all way back in the begining. The command to use is >PIP B:newfile.txt=A:oldfile.ws[Z]. > >In the DOS world, a couple of utility programs are available. For >example, XWORD converts WordStar to a number of different formats, >including ASCII. > When I was still using my old WordStar on an 8080 S-100 CPM system, used Irv Hoff's "filt.com" program. It would strip all the high order bits, etc and give you a plain ASCII file. It's probably available on CompuSee's CPM forum. (My version is probably buried in the basemenon an 8" floppy....somewhere....maybe) A similar program is available froStarFixer called FileFixer that does a similar job for MSDOS WordStar afficionados. Good Luck in your search. Bob ------------------------------ Date: 14 Dec 90 13:59:44 GMT From: tindle@g.ms.uky.edu (Ken Tindle) Subject: Need WordStar utility Message-ID: <16548@s.ms.uky.edu> In article <699@organpipe.UUCP> tom@afthree.as.arizona.edu (Thomas J. Trebisky) writes: >The thing to do (perhaps you know this) is to run wordstar in >non-document mode - then you read and write plain old ascii files and >all is well. Even in non-document mode, WordStar will set the high bit of the character the cursor is on at the time of the disk save. It's entirely too nervous for my application, unless the output is filtered through an external utility. >Just talked to my CPM guru nextdoor and he says to write a simple >filter that does this - >Read the file byte by byte. >Force the high bit in every byte to zero on every byte read. >Delete every byte that is < 0x20 (blank) and that is >not 0x09, 0x0a, 0x0c, 0r 0x0d (tab,newline,formfeed,return). Now that is good advice- too bad the original authors of WordStar were too brain-dead re:ascii files. There's no reason they couldn't have built this code into the program- except nobody's perfect; I guess they didn't think of it? I dunno, except they do massage the file for video display, just not to disk. Not too bright. --------------------------\ /----------------------------------------------- INTERNET:tindle@ms.uky.edu | "Could you please continue the petty bickering? BITNET: tindle@ukma.bitnet | I find it most intriguing." --- Data, Ken Tindle - Lexington, KY | Star Trek, The Next Generation, "Haven" --------------------------/ \----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 14 Dec 90 16:30:01 GMT From: rex!samsung!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!ea.ecn.purdue.edu!wieland@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Jeffrey J Wieland) Subject: Need WordStar utility Message-ID: <1990Dec14.163001.6774@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> In article <699@organpipe.UUCP> tom@afthree.as.arizona.edu (Thomas J. Trebisky) writes: >In article <16529@s.ms.uky.edu> tindle@ms.uky.edu (Ken Tindle) writes: >>Files created with WordStar must contain some binary characters, which is >>ruining the "raw" upload of program code to the uC board. >>I need a real, flat ASCII file on disk- so is there easily available a >>utility to massage WordStar output? > >Just talked to my CPM guru nextdoor and he says to write a simple >filter that does this - >Read the file byte by byte. >Force the high bit in every byte to zero on every byte read. > >ttrebisky@as.arizona.edu (internet) With WordStar 4.0 for CP/M, you have a couple of options. You can force it to open a file in non-document mode from the command line: ws filename.ext n If you do accidently create a file in document mode, you can always use good ol' pip to strip the high bits off: pip ascii.txt:=highbits.doc[z] WordStar 4.0 can also strip the high bits. Re-open the file in non-document mode, then use ^B (I believe -- it might be ^^) to convert the file to an ascii file. Use ^QQ^B, and then WordStar do its stuff. -- Jeff Wieland wieland@acn.purdue.edu ------------------------------ Date: 14 Dec 90 14:18:52 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!uniwa!vax7!nmurrayr@uunet.uu.net Subject: PBBS 4.5: the sequel? Message-ID: <5135.27694fcc@cc.curtin.edu.au> What's the latest version of the PBBS BBS program? We have 4.5, but would be interested in anything later than that. I'm working on a Fido mailer system for this and otherrr BBS programs. ....Ron -- Internet: Murray_RJ@cc.curtin.edu.au | "This brain is ACSnet: Murray_RJ@cc.cut.oz.au | intentionally Bitnet: Murray_RJ%cc.curtin.edu.au@cunyvm.bitnet | left blank" UUCP : uunet!munnari.oz!cc.curtin.edu.au!Murray_RJ | ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 1990 19:31:53 PST From: sprague.wbst311@xerox.com Subject: uniform and 8 inch cpm formats on AT controllers Message-ID: <"14-Dec-90 22:31:53 EST".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com> > The 1.2M floppy format uses the same data-transfer rate as an 8" drive > (500Kbits/sec). This is also true for 1.44M drives. > 360K floppies use the standard 250Kbits/sec. Hmmm, I knew both of those, but what is the transfer rate for a quad density drive? I assume 250K bits/sec? ~ Mike ------------------------------ Date: 14 Dec 90 12:38:50 GMT From: mcsun!hp4nl!charon!jurjen@uunet.uu.net (Jurjen NE Bos) Subject: You don't need a WordStar utility Message-ID: <2690@charon.cwi.nl> Sorry if I'm wrong, I did not use WordStar for the last years. Can't you guys strip off the high bits by printing to a file? Worked fine for me the last time I did it. That's a lot easier than using utilities! ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #205 ************************************* 17-Dec-90 02:21:59-MST,11443;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 17 Dec 90 02:15:08 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #206 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901217021509.V90N206@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 17 Dec 90 Volume 90 : Issue 206 Today's Topics: Is MIX C still available for cp/m? Looking for mailing list program for CP/M MIX C Compiler Need description of CP/M filesystem structure PBBS5.0 sat. tracking program for cpm needed uniform and 8 inch cpm formats on AT controllers WordStar 3.3 Wordstar 4.0 For Sale ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 16 Dec 90 18:59:10 GMT From: julius.cs.uiuc.edu!usc!bbn.com!gonzalez@apple.com (Jim Gonzalez) Subject: Is MIX C still available for cp/m? Message-ID: <61602@bbn.BBN.COM> In article TAGLANCE@ucs.UWPLATT.EDU (LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA) writes: >Some time ago someone on this newsgroup mentioned a C compiler by MIX Software >for cp/m. Does anyone know if this compiler is still available? As I recall, >the package was around $25US and included a book on C, does anyone have any >other details to share? Your assistance is appreciated. I have a single-sheet mailing from them from October 1988. The only price they show is a "special student discount price" of $29.95, plus $5 s/h. This package includes the compiler (with 434-page book), a split-screen editor and a windowing source-level debugger. Unfortunately, only the compiler is part of the CP/M version; the other goodies were developed for MS-DOS (the sheet, in fact, is very much MS-DOS-oriented). I don't remember why they sent me the "educational package" price; it may be that that had become their price for all customers. Anyway, for more up-to-date information (it's Sunday, so I can't do it), you can contact them at: Mix Software 1132 Commerce Drive Richardson, TX 75081 214-783-6001 By the way, they claim to support the full K&R standard, including bit fields plus enums and structure assignments. You may not want to use these features yourself, but it's increasingly likely that you'll encounter them in PD source. Just yesterday I was burned by BDS C's refusal to allow static assignment of character arrays. This further complicated building of sgrep from a C Users' Group diskette. I *still* prefer BDS C to Aztec C for stuff I need to run small and fast, though. On the other hand, be sure that these advertised features are actually in the *CP/M* version; many commercial vendors are simply selling older versions, having ceased development years ago. These often started as "subset" compilers, and were done well before enums, etc. became popular. Good luck. Oh yes, please post what you learn, particularly about the status of their CP/M support. -Jim. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 90 14:55:30 GMT From: csus.edu!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!gvlf3.gvl.unisys.com!gvlv2!tredysvr!dvnspc1!tom@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Tom Albrecht) Subject: Looking for mailing list program for CP/M Message-ID: <992@dvnspc1.Dev.Unisys.COM> A group I'm associated with just had a Kaypro 4 donated to them and I'm looking for a mailing list program to get them started. Any suggestions? Does anyone have a pointer to something available thru SIMTEL? Thanks. -- Tom Albrecht ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 90 04:06:16 -0500 From: ac959@cleveland.Freenet.Edu Subject: MIX C Compiler Message-ID: <9012170906.AA19617@cwns1.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 90 15:05 CST From: LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA Subject: Is MIX C still available for cp/m? Message-ID: Hello everyone, Some time ago someone on this newsgroup mentioned a C compiler by MIX Software for cp/m. Does anyone know if this compiler is still available? As I recall, the package was around $25US and included a book on C, does anyone have any other details to share? Your assistance is appreciated. Lance Tagliapietra taglance@ucs.uwplatt.edu or taglance@uwplatt ======================== ======================== Hello Lance, yes I'm the one with the MIX C compiler (CP/M version) for sale. Yes, it includes and excellent C tutorial in the 430 page manual. The price is $20.00 plus $5.00 for S&H (UPS ground in the continental US). I will quote shipping charges to other areas. The MIX C compiler is a full K & R implementation of the C language. The system requirements are: CP/M-80 (2.0 or higher) 55K memory 2 disk drives (or HD) Z80 CPU I can install the software on many UNIFORM supported 5.25", CP/M disk formats, but the only ones that I can test are TeleVideo and 360K IBM formats. If you can transfer the files from one of those, I suggest you order in that format. I can also arrange for you to download the software from my BBS. Feel free to send e-mail or call for additional information. Take care. ### -- Ed Grey \*\ Sysop of The Grey Matter BBS & RCP/M 213-971-6260 P.O. Box #2186 \*\ Bitnet: ac959%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm Inglewood, CA 90305 \*\ Internet: ac959@cleveland.freenet.edu USA \**\ voice: 213-759-7406 \**\ Fidonet: 1:102/752 ------------------------------ Date: 14 Dec 90 23:04:04 GMT From: ub.d.umn.edu!cs.umn.edu!quest!starfire!john@speedy.wisc.edu (John Lind) Subject: Need description of CP/M filesystem structure Message-ID: <607@starfire.UUCP> Thanks to all those who replied -- I was sent a program which reads and writes CP/M floppies right on my system -- just what I wanted! -- John Lind, Starfire Consulting Services E-mail: john@starfire.MN.ORG USnail: PO Box 13001, Mpls MN 55414 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 90 04:09:08 -0500 From: ac959@cleveland.Freenet.Edu Subject: PBBS5.0 Message-ID: <9012170909.AA19718@cwns1.INS.CWRU.Edu> Date: 14 Dec 90 14:18:52 GMT From: munnari.oz.au!uniwa!vax7!nmurrayr@uunet.uu.net Subject: PBBS 4.5: the sequel? Message-ID: <5135.27694fcc@cc.curtin.edu.au> What's the latest version of the PBBS BBS program? We have 4.5, but would be interested in anything later than that. I'm working on a Fido mailer system for this and otherrr BBS programs. ....Ron -- Internet: Murray_RJ@cc.curtin.edu.au | "This brain is ACSnet: Murray_RJ@cc.cut.oz.au | intentionally Bitnet: Murray_RJ%cc.curtin.edu.au@cunyvm.bitnet | left blank" UUCP : uunet!munnari.oz!cc.curtin.edu.au!Murray_RJ | ========================== ========================== The latest version of PBBS is 5.0. It was released in Nov. '90 and it's available on several RCP/Ms here in the US. Take care. ### -- Ed Grey \*\ Sysop of The Grey Matter BBS & RCP/M 213-971-6260 P.O. Box #2186 \*\ Bitnet: ac959%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm Inglewood, CA 90305 \*\ Internet: ac959@cleveland.freenet.edu USA \**\ voice: 213-759-7406 \**\ Fidonet: 1:102/752 ------------------------------ Date: 15 Dec 90 23:56:26 GMT From: usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu!ephillip%magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu@apple.com (Earl W Phillips) Subject: sat. tracking program for cpm needed Message-ID: Can anyone tell me where I can get a satellite tracking program for a cp/m machine? Specifically, I'd like to be able to use it to locate a satellite so I can take a picture of it as it passes overhead. I can ftp, plus I have access to the keplerian info for the shuttle when it's up, tho' I also need a source for the keplerian info for other satellites. Any help will be greatly appreciated, and please remember, I have a cp/m machine. Even a basic program would be terrific! Thanx in advance! ***************************************************************** * | ====@==== //////// * * ephillip@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu | ``______// * * | `----' * * -JR- | Space;.....the final * * | frontier............ * ***************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 16 Dec 90 01:35:37 GMT From: csusac!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Ian Justman) Subject: uniform and 8 inch cpm formats on AT controllers Message-ID: <3X19T1w163w@ijpc.UUCP> sprague.wbst311@XEROX.COM writes: > > > The 1.2M floppy format uses the same data-transfer rate as an 8" drive > > (500Kbits/sec). This is also true for 1.44M drives. > > > 360K floppies use the standard 250Kbits/sec. > > Hmmm, I knew both of those, but what is the transfer rate for a quad density > drive? I assume 250K bits/sec? What do you mean by "quad"? I've heard it used several different ways. Quad meaning either the high density disks (1200k), or the DD 96tpi. If you're talking about the latter, it should be the same rate as DSDD, 48tpi. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 90 04:10:47 -0500 From: ac959@cleveland.Freenet.Edu Subject: WordStar 3.3 Message-ID: <9012170910.AA19801@cwns1.INS.CWRU.Edu> I have original, brand new, WordStar 3.3 for sale. Software is on 8 inch diskette (Xerox) and it has a deluxe manual (with 3 ring binder). This software is registerable and upgradable, even to WordStar 6.0 (for DOS if you're so inclined). I can transfer the WordStar to 5.25" diskette (TeleVideo CP/M or IBM format suggested) that is supported by UNIFORM, but those are the 2 that I can test. The price is $30.00 plus $5.00 for S&H (UPS ground, anywhere in the continental US). I can quote you shipping charges to other areas. Thanks and take care. ### -- Ed Grey \*\ Sysop of The Grey Matter BBS & RCP/M 213-971-6260 P.O. Box #2186 \*\ Bitnet: ac959%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm Inglewood, CA 90305 \*\ Internet: ac959@cleveland.freenet.edu USA \**\ voice: 213-759-7406 \**\ Fidonet: 1:102/752 ------------------------------ Date: 16 Dec 90 18:41:16 GMT From: usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!lavaca.uh.edu!menudo.uh.edu!lobster!urchin!Doug.Platt@ucsd.edu (Doug Platt) Subject: Wordstar 4.0 For Sale Message-ID: <4226.276BE078@urchin.fidonet.org> For Sale: Wordstar 4.0 (CP/M version) includes original 6 discs, original manual, and additional third-party instructional book $50 plus you pay postage/shipping If interested, write back. Will contact first to reply for shipping info. ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #206 ************************************* 17-Dec-90 18:28:31-MST,10899;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 17 Dec 90 18:15:26 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #207 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901217181527.V90N207@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 17 Dec 90 Volume 90 : Issue 207 Today's Topics: Alaskan RCP/M Sysop Needs Help cpm companion Is MIX C still available for cp/m? Looking for Turbo Pascal, any 5in 1/4 format. uniform and 8 inch cpm formats on AT controllers (2 msgs) Wordstar and the high bit WSTAR printing to files (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Dec 90 04:20:47 -0500 From: ac959@cleveland.Freenet.Edu Subject: Alaskan RCP/M Sysop Needs Help Message-ID: <9012170920.AA20190@cwns1.INS.CWRU.Edu> The following is a copy of a message, posted on The Grey Matter BBS & RCP/M, by William Hicks who is an RCP/M sysop in Alaska. Can anybody help? ******************** Folder: General Msg. # 7376 Dated: 12/16/90 (R) Subj: CP/M Note (Private) To: Ed Grey From: William Hicks Left 11:58:39, 12/16/90 O.K. I need any and all information on what software I would use to get connected to fido-net and or internet using my kaypro10 (cpm 2.2) and or my epson qx-10 (cpm-86) also need an updated listing of fido net BBS's that I can connect to. My address is: William Hicks 4129 San Ernesto #3c Anchorage Ak 99508 Voice (907) 338 0663 Data (907) 338 0960 (300/1200/2400) 24 hrs a day. press return a few times to connect with asgard, leave a message anywhere and I will find it. Also I am looking for any software, support, ect for the following machines: Compustar vpu30 (Need info on the networking of the machines) Vector 4 (Need a Boot disk with Imp or Mdm7 or anything to get more on the format) Epson qx-10 (Looking for any and all epson software and hardware) Gnat system 9 (S-100, 8 " drives, cpm 1.4, 17 years old). Need a MDM program for the gant, setting up a multi-line BBS on it) Kaypro 2/4/10 (Any kaypro specific software, also an upgrade to a larger drive and a clock (advent chip needed) Also, looking to buy the original flight simulator written forCPM by micro-soft circa 1977 or there abouts. ...Also collecting any and alll PD/SW BBS's desigened for cpm and or the source code if not for cpm, lanbguages looking for are BAsic, PAscal, C, Assembly, and or others that have Cpm implementions. .....Any and alll help greatly apprectaied, we are in the middle of nowhere up here in AK (1/3 of the US in area, 1/8 of the population of San Diego.) End quoted message****** ###  -- Ed Grey \*\ Sysop of The Grey Matter BBS & RCP/M 213-971-6260 P.O. Box #2186 \*\ Bitnet: ac959%cleveland.freenet.edu@cunyvm Inglewood, CA 90305 \*\ Internet: ac959@cleveland.freenet.edu USA \**\ voice: 213-759-7406 \**\ Fidonet: 1:102/752 ------------------------------ Date: 17 Dec 90 17:27:55 GMT From: beguine!Mack.Goodman@mcnc.org (Mack Goodman) Subject: cpm companion Message-ID: <1949@beguine.UUCP> Could someone help me out a bit. I have found an old Device called a CP/M Companion 2.2. This is a small case with a handle on it. It has a disk drive and a small light on the front which says "virtual disk" next to it. It has three rs-232 type ports on it labelled, parallel, modem/host, and terminal. Do you know what this is and if it is worth while for meto try to use it? I have an Apple IIe. I thought maybe the disk drive might be useful or maybe some of the chips??? Any thoughts? I would also consider selling it if someone wants it. Please e-mail to mdgoodma@crdec8.apgea.army.mil or you may reply here. But the e-mail address is preferred. Thanks, ------------------------------ Date: 17 Dec 90 15:12:14 GMT From: van-bc!cynic!pevans@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Phillip Evans) Subject: Is MIX C still available for cp/m? Message-ID: <4eXBu4w163w@cynic.wimsey.bc.ca> pevans@cynic.wimsey.bc.ca (Phillip Evans) writes: > gonzalez@bbn.com (Jim Gonzalez) writes: > [...some stuff deleted...] > > > > By the way, they claim to support the full K&R standard, including bit > > fields plus enums and structure assignments. You may not want to use these > > features yourself, but it's increasingly likely that you'll encounter them > > in PD source. Just yesterday I was burned by BDS C's refusal to allow > > static assignment of character arrays. This further complicated building > > of sgrep from a C Users' Group diskette. I *still* prefer BDS C to Aztec C > > for stuff I need to run small and fast, though. > > > > On the other hand, be sure that these advertised features are actually > > in the *CP/M* version; many commercial vendors are simply selling older > > versions, having ceased development years ago. These often started as > > "subset" compilers, and were done well before enums, etc. became popular. > > Good luck. > > > > Oh yes, please post what you learn, particularly about the status of their > > CP/M support. > > > > -Jim. > Sorry about the messed up quoting above, guys. Still learning this editor. Anyway I ahve MIX C for CP/M and it IS K&R standard. The split screen editor is a seperate package, which I also have. The editor uses a lot of overlays, so it would be slow on a floppy; on a HD it's ok, on a ramdisk it would be great. It's a very complete editor - you can redefine EVERYTHING, it does macros, it works on disk based files (there's another slowdown) and it comes quite well documented. All this I got some (3?) years ago so it might not be available but if it is go for it. The compiler has BIOS routines, a speedup optimizer, and a shrink optimizer, and a linker I think. The tutorial is really good - you can learn C from it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 90 19:27:55 IST From: "Jacques J. Goldberg" Subject: Looking for Turbo Pascal, any 5in 1/4 format. Anybody willing to give out / sell her/his Turbo-Pascal for CP/M? Or can it be mail-ordered somewhere? phr00jg@technion.technion.ac.il ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 1990 06:16:22 PST From: sprague.wbst311@xerox.com Subject: uniform and 8 inch cpm formats on AT controllers Message-ID: <"17-Dec-90 9:16:22 EST".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com> > What do you mean by "quad"? I've heard it used several different > ways. Quad meaning either the high density disks (1200k), or the > DD 96tpi. If you're talking about the latter, it should be the > same rate as DSDD, 48tpi. Quad density and High density are *NOT* the same thing, even though they both have 96tpi. You did answer my question though. :-) Thanks. ~ Mike (Sprague.Wbst311@Xerox.Com) ------------------------------ Date: 16 Dec 90 00:48:04 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!nosun!qiclab!techbook!fzsitvay@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Frank Zsitvay) Subject: uniform and 8 inch cpm formats on AT controllers Message-ID: <1990Dec16.004804.25409@techbook.com> In article <1990Dec13.220504.25302@simasd.uucp> donm@pnet07.cts.com (Don Maslin) writes: [8 inch to 5.25 inch signal table deleted in the interest of space] >Hope this helps................................... - don it sure does... thanks a bunch... -- fzsitvay@techbook.COM - but don't quote me on that.... American Oil Company motto - Bend over, We'll pump!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 90 01:11:42 PST From: cwr@pnet01.cts.com (Will Rose) Subject: Wordstar and the high bit Message-ID: <009414CF0E8414E0.000010C0@dcs.simpact.com> Generally the first thing you need on a cpm/m machine is a comms program, to dig around BBSs for old software - and the second thing is a filter to strip the junk out of the capture buffers. You can write it in any language you like, but you will surely need it; quite often pip..[Z] makes an acceptable substitute. Wordstar obviously had this question come up too often, because they put a 'print to ASCII file' output into CP/M 4.0, and into all subsequent (MSDOS) versions. If you are editing, not telecommunicating, and don't want the stuff there in the first place, you can set a flag in Wordstar so it comes up in the N mode as a default; then you can only do D editing from the main menu. Or use vde, which doesn't put junk in the file until you tell it to. I've never had Wordstar (3.0 or 3.3) set a bit in an N-edited file at the cursor position; which version were you running? The real problem is a file with a premature ^Z, so that nothing beyond that point can be seen by an editor. DDT is then the only cure. Good luck, anyway - Will ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "If heaven too had passions | Will Rose even heaven would | UUCP: {nosc ucsd hplabs!hp-sdd}!crash!pnet01!cw grow old." - Li Ho. | ARPA: crash!pnet01!cwr@nosc.mil | INET: cwr@pnet01.cts.com UUCP: {nosc ucsd hplabs!hp-sdd}!crash!pnet01!cwr ARPA: crash!pnet01!cwr@nosc.mil INET: cwr@pnet01.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 90 09:46 EDT From: Roly Poly Milk Tins Subject: WSTAR printing to files Nope, printing to a file doesn't work. (It takes forever anyways) I tried to do that so I can print my text files (a wordstar manual) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 90 09:50 EDT From: Roly Poly Milk Tins Subject: WSTAR printing to files Oops. Sorry. Take two... Nope, printing to a file doesn't work. (It takes forever anyways.) I tried to do that so I can print a text file (a PD software manual written in WS) on an IBM-PC. , hopeing that that would get rid of the MSBs. I sat by the computer for over an hour when WS finally told me that there wasn't enough space. The next time, I ran over to the College computer center with a happy grin on my face,... the rest is history. Now I have a two-hundred-page document with LOTS of italics and IBM graphics characters... -John ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #207 ************************************* 18-Dec-90 14:22:55-MST,10110;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Tue, 18 Dec 90 14:15:25 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #208 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901218141529.V90N208@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Tue, 18 Dec 90 Volume 90 : Issue 208 Today's Topics: Ascii output from WStar/Where can I get WordStar 4.0? Is MIX C still available for cp/m? uniform and 8 inch cpm formats on AT controllers (2 msgs) Wanted: Segate ST506 hard drive WS document to ASCII Z80DMA & DART ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Dec 90 09:45:17 PST From: Ise Henin Subject: Ascii output from WStar/Where can I get WordStar 4.0? Message-ID: <901217094517.ISE2@UVVM.UVic.CA> Subject 1: Ascii output from WStar Using WordStar 3.3 or 3.0, I have no problems creating an ascii file - even though I have not yet figured out the difference between document and non-document mode. I create files without justification, and don't use anything fancy such as underscore or bold. When it is time to save and up-load, I start printing (even though I don't even have a printer yet). One of the options is "print to disk" - this allows me to enter a file-name and save the file. This new file, when uploaded with Kermit, contains no control characters. Subject 2: Where can I get WordStar 4.0? Now a question: I would like to upgrade to WordStar 4.0 (for CP/M 2.24d) I have an IMS (Industrial Micro Systems) machine with the 8 inch floppy disk drives (DD/SD). Any used (and legal) copy with documentation for sale, or an address of a distributor with an idea of cost, would be much appreciated. Ise Henin, User Services Consultant, Computing and Systems Services, University of Victoria, P.O.Box 1800, Victoria, B.C., V8W 2H5, Canada E-mail: or Phone: (604) 721-8281 ------------------------------ Date: 18 Dec 90 19:54:00 GMT From: amethyst!organpipe!afthree.as.arizona.edu!tom@noao.edu (Thomas J. Trebisky) Subject: Is MIX C still available for cp/m? Message-ID: <753@organpipe.UUCP> In article <61602@bbn.BBN.COM> gonzalez@BBN.COM (Jim Gonzalez) writes: > [.....] Just yesterday I was burned by BDS C's refusal to allow >static assignment of character arrays. This further complicated building >of sgrep from a C Users' Group diskette. I *still* prefer BDS C to Aztec C >for stuff I need to run small and fast, though. [....] Some time ago there was a request for information/review of the various CP/M C compilers. I would like to see a posting of the various compilers with their pros and cons. I would be happy to collect this info and post a summary, but I suspect this has alread been done (maybe I missed it?). I have used the Aztec compiler with complete satisfaction, MIX is a new one, I have the BDS 1.50 compiler sitting on the shelf and have not yet given it a try. I have some projects up and coming where I will want to ROM the code, any suggestions on whether Aztec or BDS would be better for this? Actually any hints on ROMing C code for a Z80 controller kind of project would be happily accepted. ttrebisky@as.arizona.edu (Internet) ------------------------------ Date: 17 Dec 90 18:25:03 GMT From: emory!hubcap!ncrcae!ncr-sd!simasd!simasd!pnet07!donm@gatech.edu (Don Maslin) Subject: uniform and 8 inch cpm formats on AT controllers Message-ID: <1990Dec17.182503.12081@simasd.uucp> sprague.wbst311@XEROX.COM writes: >Hmmm, I knew both of those, but what is the transfer rate for a quad density >drive? I assume 250K bits/sec? > Assuming you mean the 96 tpi 720K 5.25", yes. Keeper of the CP/M System Disk | UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm Archives for the Dino(saur)SIG | ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil - San Diego Computer Society - | INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: 18 Dec 90 04:44:55 GMT From: amethyst!organpipe!astro.as.arizona.edu!tom@noao.edu (Thomas J. Trebisky) Subject: uniform and 8 inch cpm formats on AT controllers Message-ID: <748@organpipe.UUCP> Michael_D._Sprague sprague.wbst311@xerox.com writes: > >> The 1.2M floppy format uses the same data-transfer rate as an 8" drive >> (500Kbits/sec). This is also true for 1.44M drives. >> 360K floppies use the standard 250Kbits/sec. >Hmmm, I knew both of those, but what is the transfer rate for a quad density >drive? I assume 250K bits/sec? I believe what is refered to as quad-density is also known as a 720k drive, (the nomenclature is a bit sloppy, quad density means different things in different contexts) and indeed has a 250kb/s xfer rate - the density being acheived by higher track density (96tpi instead of the usual 48tpi). BTW, for you transfer rate trivia freaks, did you know that a floppy written on a 360kb drive and later read on a 1.2M drive (AT, HD 5.25in) has a xfer rate of 300kb/s since the 1.2M drive rotates at 360 rpm, but the 360kb drive rotated at 300rpm - this in part explains why you can read 360kb floppies on such drives, but may have trouble writing to them (the other part is probably the slimmer heads on the 1.2M drive). ------------------------------ Date: 18 Dec 90 15:56:40 GMT From: usc!cs.utexas.edu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!clyde.concordia.ca!ccu.umanitoba.ca!vspicer@ucsd.edu Subject: Wanted: Segate ST506 hard drive Message-ID: <1990Dec18.155640.29962@ccu.umanitoba.ca> Wanted: Segate ST506 hard drive Purpose: Upgrade for Altos 15-5 CP/M MP/M system Price: As cheap as possible. :-) Send replies to: vspicer@ccu.umanitoba.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 90 11:13:40 GMT From: Christopher Currie Subject: WS document to ASCII >If you do accidently [sic] create a file in document mode, you can always use >good ol' pip to strip the high bits off: > pip ascii.txt:=highbits.doc[z] I always used to use this method. An alternative is to get the PD VDE 2.66 editor from Simtel20. With this, you can load up a file in document mode and save it back in non-document mode with the high bits stripped. Frankly after using VDE on CP/M I wouldn't go back to Wordstar 3 unless I absolutely had to (e.g. for a large file which VDE can't handle). However, the high-bit problem isn't the only one you need to get round to produce a pure ASCII file from a WS document file. If you have used print control codes (e.g ^A, ^S, ^T, ^B etc.) you will need to strip those out too. WS 3.3 will replace most of them by nothing in a global replacement, but it won't recognize ^S (underline) in replacement mode. WS 4 (at least the DOS version) will. With VDE, you could write a macro to do it. Alternatively, having stripped the high bits with PIP ..[Z], you would need to run the file through a second filter to get rid of the control codes. The following bit of MS-BASIC code gives an idea: [Initialization] ctrl%="" FOR n= 1 to 9 ctrl%=ctrl%+chr%(n) next for n=11 to 12 ctrl%=ctrl%+chr%(n) next For n=14 to 25 ctrl%=ctrl%+chr%(n) next [leave chr%(10) and (13) in] .... [processing the file] (assumes that infile is no. 1, outfile no. 2) while not eof(1) line input #1, a% for count=1 to len(ctrl%) x=instr(a%,mid%(ctrl%,count,1)) while x >0 mid%(a%,x,1)="":' [or " " if you're worried about zero bytes] x=instr(a%,mid%(ctrl%,count,1)) wend next count print #2,a% wend My syntax may be a bit ropey, but this gives the general idea. Let's have a C version, please. Christopher ------------------------------ Date: 9 Dec 90 11:09:50 GMT From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ira.uka.de!smurf!subnet.sub.net!mcshh!tilmann@ucsd.edu (Tilmann Reh) Subject: Z80DMA & DART Message-ID: <8491@mcshh.hanse.de> Hello. pevans@cynic.wimsey.bc.ca (Phillip Evans) writes: > The DMA gets sent 08hex as one of the first instructions - then it's > not used again by the prom. The DART gets sent this sequence: > 18 01 00 03 C1 04 44 05 68 00 (the last 00 might be superfluous) > Question ONE: What DOES the set of initialisation bytes do? a) The 08h for the DMA means: Port B is I/O and decrements. That seems to be not the whole initialization :-) b) 18 : channel reset 01 00 : all interrupts disable 03 C1 : rx 8 bit, no handshake, rx enable 04 44 : x16 clock mode, 1 stopbit, no parity 05 68 : dtr & rts inactive, tx 8 bit, tx enable 00 : reset internal register pointer > Question TWO: What I need to know here are the meanings of the > bits 0, 4, 5, and 6; The DART status register is as follows: bit 7 : break bit 6 : not used bit 5 : cts bit 4 : ri bit 3 : dcd bit 2 : tx buffer empty bit 1 : int. pending (ch. A only) bit 0 : rx char available > what happens when the status register is loaded with the returned byte > after it is masked with 0000 0001 binary; and what happnes when it is > loaded with 030hex. Be aware that you need only two addresses per channel, so the addresses of the status register and the command register are equal (see init part). So sending 00 to that address resets the internal register pointer (so that the next read-access will safely get the status register). The second output does exactly the same, as the value in A will always be 00. Outputting 30h to the command register means 'error reset'. Hope this may help you. > Thanks in advance to anyone who can answer these questions for me... no reason. Tilmann Reh tilmann@mcshh.uucp tilmann@mcshh.hanse.de ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #208 ************************************* 20-Dec-90 07:21:42-MST,9753;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Thu, 20 Dec 90 07:15:05 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #209 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901220071507.V90N209@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Thu, 20 Dec 90 Volume 90 : Issue 209 Today's Topics: C Compiler for CP/M-86 MIX C for CPM Need WordStar utility turbo pascal uniform and 8 inch cpm formats on AT controllers UUCP and CPM Plus Where can I get WordStar 4.0 Z-DOS format? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 19 Dec 90 10:22:29 GMT From: csusac!sactoh0!ijpc!ianj@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Ian Justman) Subject: C Compiler for CP/M-86 Message-ID: <6B0eu1w163w@ijpc.UUCP> Just wondering, does anyone have the Code Innovations C compiler for CP/M-86? I'm thinking of fudging an old version of YAM that I snagged from Thousand Oaks to work with my CompuPro 8/16 running Concurrent DOS (and mebbe I *MIGHT* let Marc Wilson have a copy of it too (just ribbin' ya, Marc)). The code I got from TO was ported to CI's C, and I'm having a hell of a time trying to port it to Aztec C for CP/M-86. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Dec 90 01:58:07 GMT From: rayssd!jak@uunet.uu.net (John A. King) Subject: MIX C for CPM Message-ID: <328@sgfb.ssd.ray.com> Yes, MIX is alive and well and selling MIX C for CPM. I just ordered a copy on 8-inch floppy. I'll post how I like it when I receive it and use it a while. Their phone number: 214-783-6001 (Texas) They take most flavors of credit cards, and the price is only $19.95! No affiliation with MIX. John. -- John King WA1ABI C-172 N20327 R100/7 ---------- -------- ------------ ------ Internet: jak@sgfb.ssd.ray.com UUCP: {decuac,gatech,mimsy,mirror,necntc,sun,uiucdcs,ukma}!rayssdb!jak --------------------------------------- The opinions expressed herein are mine. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Dec 90 15:32:16 GMT From: ulysses!rick!ahm@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Andy Meyer) Subject: Need WordStar utility Message-ID: <429@rick.att.com> In article <16548@s.ms.uky.edu> tindle@ms.uky.edu (Ken Tindle) writes: > In article <699@organpipe.UUCP> tom@afthree.as.arizona.edu (Thomas J. Trebisky) writes: > >The thing to do (perhaps you know this) is to run wordstar in > >non-document mode - then you read and write plain old ascii files and > >all is well. > > Even in non-document mode, WordStar will set the high bit of the character ...but only if you've pressed ^B at anytime during the edit! As someone mentioned, use PIP to filter the file: A>PIP NOHIBITS.TXT=HIBITS.TXT[Z] Andy -- Andreas Meyer, N2FYE > > > > > > > > > Internet: ahm@rick.att.com "Ausgezeichnet!" < < < < < < < < < uucp: ..att!rick!ahm ------------------------------ Date: 18 Dec 90 23:09:53 GMT From: sdd.hp.com!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu!ephillip%magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu@ucsd.edu (Earl W Phillips) Subject: turbo pascal Message-ID: Someone posted a request for turbo pascal on a 5-1/4" disk. I have turbo pascal an both 8" and 5-1/4". Email me if you haven't already got it, and we'll aange to mail you a copy. ***************************************************************** * | ====@==== //////// * * ephillip@magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu | ``______// * * | `----' * * -JR- | Space;.....the final * * | frontier............ * ***************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 90 19:57 CST From: LANCE TAGLIAPIETRA Subject: uniform and 8 inch cpm formats on AT controllers Message-ID: X-News: ucs.uwplatt.edu comp.os.cpm:204 >From: tom@astro.as.arizona.edu (Thomas J. Trebisky) >Subject:Re: uniform and 8 inch cpm formats on AT controllers >Date: 18 Dec 90 04:44:55 GMT >Message-ID:<748@organpipe.UUCP> >Michael_D._Sprague sprague.wbst311@xerox.com writes: >> >>> The 1.2M floppy format uses the same data-transfer rate as an 8" drive >>> (500Kbits/sec). This is also true for 1.44M drives. >>> 360K floppies use the standard 250Kbits/sec. >>Hmmm, I knew both of those, but what is the transfer rate for a quad density >>drive? I assume 250K bits/sec? > >I believe what is refered to as quad-density is also known as a 720k drive, >(the nomenclature is a bit sloppy, quad density means different things in >different contexts) and indeed has a 250kb/s xfer rate - the density being >acheived by higher track density (96tpi instead of the usual 48tpi). > >BTW, for you transfer rate trivia freaks, did you know that a floppy written >on a 360kb drive and later read on a 1.2M drive (AT, HD 5.25in) has a xfer >rate of 300kb/s since the 1.2M drive rotates at 360 rpm, but the 360kb drive >rotated at 300rpm - this in part explains why you can read 360kb floppies on >such drives, but may have trouble writing to them (the other part is probably >the slimmer heads on the 1.2M drive). I thought that 1.2M floppy drives had a speed select line that allowed the speed to be switched between 300rpm and 360rpm.....O.K. here it is from an article in "The Computer Journal" from issue 44, page 17: ... It [a 1.2meg drive] is an 80 track double-sided drive, that, when pin 2 is pulled low, increases its rotational speed to 360 rpm. At the same time, the NEC 765 floppy controller doubles its data rate to 500K bits/sec, and writes 15 sectors of 512 bytes/sector. Since pin 2 is normally low, the drive ends up spinning at 360 rpm, unless allowed to change in the controller hardware (a speed select latch??). Lance Tagliapietra ------------------------------ Date: 19 Dec 90 22:55:26 GMT From: eru!hagbard!sunic!mcsun!ukc!axion!tharr!pm111@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Paul Martin) Subject: UUCP and CPM Plus Message-ID: <1524@tharr.UUCP> In article ns@iddth2.id.dk (Nick Sandru (langt haar)) writes: >>What is the convention for the "true" file length byte in CPM Plus? >>(It's set by setting flag f6' and putting the byte value in CR). >>I assume it is the number of unused bytes in the last sector. Is this right? > >It is the number of the _used_ bytes in the last 128-byte record. If that's so, is a value of zero in this place mean that the last block contains 128 used bytes? The "unused bytes" scenario seems more natural... Clarification anyone? -- If life is just a bowl of cherries, you'd better watch out for the stones. Paul Martin. pm111@tharr.uucp INTERNET: pm111%tharr.uucp@ukc.ac.uk <-- tharr *free* public access to Usenet in the UK 0234 261804 --> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 90 7:52:49 EST From: "Paul V. Pullen" Subject: Where can I get WordStar 4.0 Message-ID: <9012190752.aa16059@CRDEC4.APGEA.ARMY.MIL> Ise Henin asked the question "Where can I get WordStar 4.0?" I would recommend that he talk directly with Micropro. When I bought the upgrade for my Intertec Compustars, I had to get WS4 for my home Kaypro, and do an electronic transfer to the Intertecs. I got Micropro's permission to do this type of transfer. They had WordStar 4.0 in stock on a series of systems, but not mine. I bought 2 copies, and did the electronic transfer, and have 4.0 working fine on my systems. The number I have is 800-227-5609, extension 769. They are located at: Micropro International Corporation 33 San Pablo Avenue San Rafael, CA 94903 One and a half years ago, Micropro still was available to assist me in an installation problem. That was super for an 'obsolete' operating system. Other software houses have not been anywhere as helpful with their stock answer 'We don't support CP/M any more', or 'CP/M, what's that?' Other phone numbers for Micropro from the installation manual are 415-499-8864 415-499-5693 (for WordStar CP/M Edition) Hours listed 6:00 am to 6:00 pm Pacific Time. Good Luck Paul Pullen --------------------------------------------------------------- Paul V. Pullen pvpullen@crdec2.apgea.army.mil U.S. Army Chemical Research, Development, & Engineering Center Aberdeen Proving Grounds, MD 21010-5423 (301)671-2519 --------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 20 Dec 90 13:33:04 GMT From: cs.utexas.edu!samsung!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!crdgw1!crdos1!davidsen@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Wm E Davidsen Jr) Subject: Z-DOS format? Message-ID: <3078@crdos1.crd.ge.COM> Does anyone have documentation on the format of Z-DOS 32 sector (hard sector) disks? -- bill davidsen (davidsen@crdos1.crd.GE.COM -or- uunet!crdgw1!crdos1!davidsen) VMS is a text-only adventure game. If you win you can use unix. ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #209 ************************************* 21-Dec-90 11:19:55-MST,7865;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 21 Dec 90 11:15:18 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #210 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901221111520.V90N210@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 21 Dec 90 Volume 90 : Issue 210 Today's Topics: 820-II disk addons BBS / dial-in anonymous in New Enland Information on UART MK3884N-4 wanted Kaypro II communications at high baud rates Looking for S-100 front panel box uniform and 8 inch cpm formats on AT controllers UUCP and CPM Plus (2 msgs) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 20 Dec 90 20:57:01 GMT From: sdd.hp.com!usc!pollux.usc.edu!mlinar@ucsd.edu (Mitch Mlinar) Subject: 820-II disk addons Message-ID: <28970@usc> In article SABAHE@MACALSTR.EDU ("Arun Baheti ") writes: > >system, but I'm sure its possible. You might try calling Mitch >Mlinar's BBS in Torrance, CA for information, or if you can't reach >it leave me a message and I will help you track down some software. You might, but it won't work. As of two months ago, I moved to Thousand Oaks. My BBS will not be on-line until the end of January. For those of you interested, the number will be (805) 493-4978... -Mitch ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 90 15:45 EDT From: Roly Poly Milk Tins Subject: BBS / dial-in anonymous in New Enland 'Tis the season to be dollying around at home with my dear QX-10, and I thought I'd explore my local area with my new almost-ready modem. Does anybody know of a BBS site and/or a dial-in anonymous login in Tri-State thru New England area? I live in Werstern Mass. (Amherst exchange) and hope to not spend too much $$ on phone bills... Thnx in Advns! -John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 90 18:09:33 GMT From: J Jackson Subject: Information on UART MK3884N-4 wanted Message-ID: <1975.9012201809@csunb0.dcs.leeds.ac.uk> I know this isn't directly CPM but I have a Multiplexor box based on Z80's and I'm wanting to program it. The UART's are MK3884N-4 's for which I have been unable to unearth any data. Can anybody provide a programming summary ? or other help cheers Jim Jackson Email : School of Computer Studies UK - JANET : jj@uk.ac.leeds.dcs Leeds University Internet : jj@dcs.leeds.ac.uk Leeds LS2 9JT UK Phone : +44 532 335451 ======================================================================= Opinions! What Opinions? I just wield the brush round here. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Dec 90 21:05:23 GMT From: usc!pollux.usc.edu!mlinar@apple.com (Mitch Mlinar) Subject: Kaypro II communications at high baud rates Message-ID: <28971@usc> With the KayPLUS ROM, I can run at a peak of 4800 baud. I can't quite remember, but I think that consecutive screen-clears will ultimately cause a char to be dropped. The uC ROM is no better than the Kaypro ROM regarding screen update speed. In other words, it is not very good. However, one should note that the 6845 setup on the Kaypro is a poor h/w job; the video s/w is stuck with all the work and handshaking and timing -- no fun at all. The uC and Kaypro original s/w tried to compensate and ended up with an effective but slower solution. -Mitch ------------------------------ Date: 20 Dec 90 20:38:03 GMT From: usc!hamal.usc.edu!mead@apple.com (Dick Mead) Subject: Looking for S-100 front panel box Message-ID: <28969@usc> If you happen to have an old S-100 mainframe box with front panel (similar to IMSAI panel) that you'd like to get rid of for a few dollars, drop a note to me. I already have a Wameco (sp?) digital readout type display, so what I am looking for is the LED type. I believe there were 3 common systems sold with LED front panels. I am looking for intact front panels and motherboard/box/power supplies, nothing mangled, please. Dick Mead mead@hamal.usc.edu ------------------------------ Date: 16 Dec 90 18:23:54 GMT From: att!fang!alfred!tous!tarpit!bilver!bill@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Bill Vermillion) Subject: uniform and 8 inch cpm formats on AT controllers Message-ID: <1990Dec16.182354.14691@bilver.uucp> In article <"14-Dec-90.22:31:53.EST".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com> sprague.wbst311@xerox.com writes: > >> The 1.2M floppy format uses the same data-transfer rate as an 8" drive >> (500Kbits/sec). This is also true for 1.44M drives. > >> 360K floppies use the standard 250Kbits/sec. > >Hmmm, I knew both of those, but what is the transfer rate for a quad density >drive? I assume 250K bits/sec? > "Quad density" is a mis-nomer. It started many many years ago when someone (I think it was Micropolis) was able to reduce the step positions reliably. The first drives were 100 tpi (that's right), later to become 96 tpi so that you could double step 96 tpi to read 48 tpi disks. "Quad density" is an advertising gimmick that stuck. It is nothing more than double density with twice the tracks, erg "quad capacity" should have been the name. Transfer rate is the same 250K/bits/sec. 8" single density is also this rate, only the DD use 500k, which was only about 15% slower than first PC hard drives -- Bill Vermillion - UUCP: uunet!tarpit!bilver!bill : bill@bilver.UUCP ------------------------------ Date: 20 Dec 90 21:09:15 GMT From: usc!pollux.usc.edu!mlinar@ucsd.edu (Mitch Mlinar) Subject: UUCP and CPM Plus Message-ID: <28972@usc> Regarding the "length byte" in CP/M 3.0. Checking my CP/M Plus manual, it is indeed the length in bytes (module 128). Thus, a value of "00" means the sector is full. In fact, that is the default because it is up to the application to set this value. There are FEW programs which worry or care about the length of the last sector in CP/M since there was never this mechanism in CP/M 2.2 which is still the mainstay (or clone-stay) of CP/M these days. Unless you are strictly in CP/M+ land and ALL of your applications know it, use of this byte is of no help. -Mitch ------------------------------ Date: 20 Dec 90 22:37:22 GMT From: van-bc!cynic!pevans@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Phillip Evans) Subject: UUCP and CPM Plus Message-ID: pm111@tharr.UUCP (Paul Martin) writes: > In article ns@iddth2.id.dk (Nick Sandru (langt haar)) w > > >>What is the convention for the "true" file length byte in CPM Plus? > >>(It's set by setting flag f6' and putting the byte value in CR). > >>I assume it is the number of unused bytes in the last sector. Is this right > > > >It is the number of the _used_ bytes in the last 128-byte record. > > If that's so, is a value of zero in this place mean that the last block > contains 128 used bytes? The "unused bytes" scenario seems more natural... > > Clarification anyone? > The DR CP/M 3 manual says "This facility can identify THE LAST BYTE of the last record of the file." Whether DR counts beginning at 0 or at 1 is not stated. However, the value is set to 0 when the file is created and has a zero length. Maybe you have to look at the record count in this case to deduce what number DR starts with. ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #210 ************************************* 24-Dec-90 06:34:06-MST,9135;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 24 Dec 90 06:15:16 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #211 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901224061517.V90N211@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 24 Dec 90 Volume 90 : Issue 211 Today's Topics: Information on UART MK3884N-4 wanted Kaypro II communications at high baud rates (2 msgs) Looking for mailing list program for CP/M pickles and trout cp/m load error 99 Quantum drives The guy with the Osborne1... Where can I get a KayPLUS ROM ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 22 Dec 90 23:53:05 GMT From: crash!mwilson@nosc.mil (Marc Wilson) Subject: Information on UART MK3884N-4 wanted Message-ID: <6470@crash.cts.com> In article <1975.9012201809@csunb0.dcs.leeds.ac.uk> jj@dcs.leeds.ac.uk (J Jackson) writes: >I know this isn't directly CPM but I have a Multiplexor box based on Z80's >and I'm wanting to program it. The UART's are MK3884N-4 's for which >I have been unable to unearth any data. Can anybody provide a >programming summary ? or other help It's an SIO. According to Mostek's 1985 data book, the 3884 is the version that has *TxCB and *RxCB bonded together. Any Z80 data book should have what you need. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Marc Wilson ARPA: ...!crash!mwilson@nosc.mil ...!crash!pnet01!pro-sol!mwilson@nosc.mil UUCP: [ cbosgd | hp-sdd!hplabs | sdcsvax | nosc ]!crash!mwilson INET: mwilson@crash.CTS.COM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Marc Wilson ARPA: ...!crash!mwilson@nosc.mil ...!crash!pnet01!pro-sol!mwilson@nosc.mil UUCP: [ cbosgd | hp-sdd!hplabs | sdcsvax | nosc ]!crash!mwilson INET: mwilson@crash.CTS.COM ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: 21 Dec 90 21:58:41 GMT From: comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix!ewen@uunet.uu.net (Ewen McNeill) Subject: Kaypro II communications at high baud rates Message-ID: <1990Dec21.215841.23232@actrix.gen.nz> In article <28971@usc> mlinar@pollux.usc.edu (Mitch Mlinar) writes: > > With the KayPLUS ROM, I can run at a peak of 4800 baud. I can't quite > remember, but I think that consecutive screen-clears will ultimately cause > a char to be dropped. > IMHO that is a little silly. My terminal program (runs in the native mode of my CP/M machine) traps that. I did this mostly because the screen is bit-mapped (16K) and takes _ages_ to clear (well, ages in processor time!). Some of the BB systems I know (Opus particularly) send 3 or 4 clear screen sequences. I would have thought that any reasonable bios/comms program would have the same trap. -- Ewen McNeill. Email: ewen@actrix.gen.nz ------------------------------ Date: 22 Dec 90 02:06:22 GMT From: usc!eve.usc.edu!mlinar@ucsd.edu (Mitch Mlinar) Subject: Kaypro II communications at high baud rates Message-ID: <28989@usc> In article <1990Dec21.215841.23232@actrix.gen.nz> ewen@actrix.gen.nz (Ewen McNeill) writes: ## remember, but I think that consecutive screen-clears will ultimately cause ## a char to be dropped. ## #IMHO that is a little silly. My terminal program (runs in the #native mode of my CP/M machine) traps that. I did this mostly #because the screen is bit-mapped (16K) and takes _ages_ to clear #(well, ages in processor time!). Some of the BB systems I know #(Opus particularly) send 3 or 4 clear screen sequences. #I would have thought that any reasonable bios/comms program would #have the same trap. # No. Not true. I don't know of any BIOSes in Kaypro/Xerox land that trap multiple screen clears. COMM programs (by and large) do not know the clear screen sequence for the local terminal or, if they do, do not check for repeating sequences. Otherwise, I agree that multiple sequential screen clears are goofy and unnecessary. -Mitch ------------------------------ Date: 23 Dec 90 05:42:00 GMT From: julius.cs.uiuc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!pitt!darth!insight!bhh@apple.com (Brian Hughes) Subject: Looking for mailing list program for CP/M Message-ID: <122.2774930A@insight.FIDONET.ORG> > From: tom@dvnspc1.Dev.Unisys.COM (Tom Albrecht) > A group I'm associated with just had a Kaypro 4 > donated to them and I'm > looking for a mailing list program to get them > started. Any suggestions? > Does anyone have a pointer to something available thru > SIMTEL? > Thanks. > -- > Tom Albrecht Tom, There was a version of PCfile that was written for CP/M. The primary computer it was to run on, though, was OS-1. It will work with the Kaypro, but the opening screens are all trash. The upshot is that if they ever convert to Ms-Dos, the can upgrade to a PC version and still use their old files. E-Mail me if you can't find it. -- FidoNet : 1:129/65.1 Insight BBS UUCP/SEAdog/Kitten (412) 487-3701 UUCP : ..pitt!darth!insight!bhh : ..{psuvax1|decvax|cadre|}!idis!insight!bhh Internet : bhh@insight.fidonet.org ------------------------------ Date: 21 Dec 90 14:27:17 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!nosun!qiclab!techbook!fzsitvay@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Frank Zsitvay) Subject: pickles and trout cp/m load error 99 Message-ID: <1990Dec21.142717.27578@techbook.com> i'm having a problem installing the hard disk version of pickles and trout cp/m on my tandy 16b with 12 meg hard disk. after running the system configuration MENU, and selecting the hard disk module and a proper hard disk table, i reboot the system like i'm supposed to. after a little bit of floppy disk grinding, the loader writes on the screen 'Load Error 99' and things come to a halt. the hard disk is functional since i ran xenix on it, and i powered everything up in the proper sequence. (hard disk first.) after repeated attempts, i still get the same message. usually, when the loader complains with an error message, it's because there is an essential file that is missing, but i seem to have all of the files needed to install the system. even when i disable the hard disk by deselecting the hard disk module in the installation, the system stills gives the same error message. does anyone know what could be causing this problem?? -- fzsitvay@techbook.COM - but don't quote me on that.... American Oil Company motto - Bend over, We'll pump!!! ------------------------------ Date: 21 Dec 90 21:48:10 GMT From: bionet!hayes.ims.alaska.edu!milton!bperigo@apple.com (Bob Perigo) Subject: Quantum drives Message-ID: <13353@milton.u.washington.edu> I'd be very appreciative if you could send me the drive specs for the Quantum 2040 and 2080 drives. Trial & lots of error tells me 512/8 for the first and >1024/7 on the other. Wonder where precomp should be kicked in? -- INTERNET,BITNET: bperigo@u.washington.edu / _ Bob Perigo babble on BABEL @ 206-363-8969 300-9600 baud /_)/_) UW Box SM-28 VOICE Bob at 206-367-4433 8am-8pm Seattle time / Seattle, WA UUCP Path: ...uw-beaver!u.washington.edu!bperigo 98195 ------------------------------ Date: 22 Dec 90 03:11:12 GMT From: usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!lavaca.uh.edu!menudo.uh.edu!lobster!urchin!Charles.Cotham@apple.com (Charles Cotham) Subject: The guy with the Osborne1... Message-ID: <4511.2772F0A9@urchin.fidonet.org> Karol, Leave me a phone number and I will give you a call when I get back in from offshore. I can probably get you fixed up with a boot disk and some info on the Osborne 1. Merry Xmas from the middle of the Gulf of Mexico and a Happy New Year. Charles Cotham PO Box 254 Nederland, Tx. 77627 PS: I might be interested in that extra O-1 you have.. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Dec 90 14:51:17 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!csfst1@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Charles S. Fuller) Subject: Where can I get a KayPLUS ROM ? Message-ID: <73452@unix.cis.pitt.edu> Anyone know where I can pick up a KayPLUS ROM for an '83 KP-II? Emerald Microware's brochure describes it in glorious detail, but has a big "N/A" written over the price :-( Thanks for your time, and "Happy Holidays" to all! Chuck ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #211 ************************************* 28-Dec-90 00:45:06-MST,9852;000000000000 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 28 Dec 90 00:24:33 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #212 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901228002434.V90N212@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Fri, 28 Dec 90 Volume 90 : Issue 212 Today's Topics: Apple Z80 hardware (2 msgs) DisplayWriter and CP/M 86 (2 msgs) emulator for TeleVideo 1603 Need WordStar utility (2 msgs) Omti Series 10 SASI controllers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Dec 90 14:46:18 PST From: rzh@icf.llnl.gov (R. Hanscom) Subject: Apple Z80 hardware Message-ID: <9012262246.AA02016@icf.llnl.gov.llnl.gov> Hello All -- I'm the proud (?) owner of some surplus Z80 boards that look like they have connectors for the Apple bus on them. There was no documentation available, and I'm wondering if any of you Apple CP/Mers might be able to help identify them. They are marked "Advanced Logic Systems". There is a "Z80 Card" that is a Z80B and little else but some interface chips and a small PROM/ROM(?). It does not even have an on-board clock that I can see. Also I have a "CP/M Card" from the same vendor. It is unpopulated, but looks like it would have memory, a crystal, etc. There are no component values or IC id's on the silk screen. Can somebody tell me if they are useful, or if there is documentation available for them?? roger icf!rzh@lll-winken.llnl.gov rzh@phoenix.ocf.llnl.gov ------------------------------ Date: 27 Dec 90 13:45:52 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!news.cs.indiana.edu!news.nd.edu!mentor.cc.purdue.edu!gauss.math.purdue.edu!wilker@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Clarence Wilkerson) Subject: Apple Z80 hardware Message-ID: <3069@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> If the board has some DRAM, it's the ALR Z80 card. If no ram of its own, it may be a clone of the Microsoft Z80 card. These each require their own boot disks, but data disks are compatible between the two systems. The ALR card supported some add-on cards for extra memory , maybe even a version of CP/M Plus. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Dec 90 16:24:39 GMT From: clyde.concordia.ca!ccu.umanitoba.ca!vspicer@uunet.uu.net Subject: DisplayWriter and CP/M 86 Message-ID: <1990Dec24.162439.6459@ccu.umanitoba.ca> Hello net world. I recently found CP/M 86 for the IBM DisplayWriter. It appears to function well and makes what was otherwise a word processor into a real computer of sorts. In the setup.cmd program it has configurations for communication ports which it can't detect. From this I presume the DisplayWriter can have communucation ports but this unit doesn't. Any ideas where I can find such a board? Hopefully they are standard RS232's. Also of course now we need software. Does anyone out there have anything for CP/M 86 formatted to a DisplayWriter readable 8" disk. The stuff of interest would be: some sort of database (dbase 2?) some sort of spreadsheet (supercalc?) programming languages (mbasic, pl/1, fortran, cbasic, pascal) communications program to go with serial board maybe i'm working on the silly assumption that such stuff actually made it to CP/M 86, but it seems to be a pretty good, fast OS. also, does anyone have some technical specs on the DisplayWriter? We didn't get any manuals with it. thanks and have a good holiday vic spicer ------------------------------ Date: 27 Dec 90 19:29:39 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!cs.utexas.edu!hellgate.utah.edu!fcom.cc.utah.edu!cc.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!slsw2@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu Subject: DisplayWriter and CP/M 86 Message-ID: <1990Dec27.132939.45769@cc.usu.edu> In article <1990Dec24.162439.6459@ccu.umanitoba.ca>, vspicer@ccu.umanitoba.ca writes: > Also of course now we need software. Does anyone out there have anything > for CP/M 86 formatted to a DisplayWriter readable 8" disk. I think that any old 8" SSSD CP/M disk will be readable by the thing. > The stuff of > interest would be: > some sort of database (dbase 2?) > some sort of spreadsheet (supercalc?) > programming languages (mbasic, pl/1, fortran, cbasic, pascal) > communications program to go with serial board > > maybe i'm working on the silly assumption that such stuff actually made > it to CP/M 86, but it seems to be a pretty good, fast OS. also, does > anyone have some technical specs on the DisplayWriter? We didn't get any > manuals with it. I know that spreadsheets, programming languages, and communications programs made it to CP/M-86. I've seen (but, alas, don't have) Microsoft's MultiPlan, a C compiler or two, and I've got KERMIT for my Rainbow. The old Turbo Pascal manual (you know, version 3.01A and before; when it was good) has a section on CP/M-86. I wouldn't be surprised if you could still get CP/M-86 Turbo from Borland; it was only a few years ago that I ordered 8" CP/M-80 Turbo from them. Glad to hear you've got it running. -- =============================================================================== Roger Ivie 35 S 300 W Logan, Ut. 84321 (801) 752-8633 =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Dec 90 20:05:10 EDT From: "Casimir M. Drahan" Subject: emulator for TeleVideo 1603 I have an old TeleVideo 1603 pc that I would like to use to access my account at this university. Unfortunately the mainframe expects to see an IBM pc, a VT100, or three other rather obscure terminals when I dial in. Does anyone know of an emulator (IBM or VT100) that would run on a 1603? I have two communications packages that run under CPM-86 on the TeleVideo: TeleAsync and Mite. I have managed to log on to my account with Mite (which I tell the mainframe is a VT100 terminal) but have problems with the screen not clearing. Emulation can be added to Mite, but I don't have any program docs to see what that involves. I'm not even sure if the company which marketed Mite is still around. Any information on Mite would also be greatly appreciated. Thanks, in advance. C.M.D. Casimir Matthew Drahan Computer Services University of Toledo Bitnet: OPRCMD@UOFT01 ------------------------------ Date: 21 Dec 90 13:42:39 GMT From: tindle@g.ms.uky.edu (Ken Tindle) Subject: Need WordStar utility Message-ID: <1990Dec21.134239.6515@ms.uky.edu> In article <"14-Dec-90.22:29:05.EST".*.Michael_D._Sprague.wbst311@Xerox.com> sprague.wbst311@xerox.com writes: >I wrote: >> Even in non-document mode, WordStar will set the high bit of the character >> the cursor is on at the time of the disk save. >Hmmmm, time to play with WordStar again. I have never had that happen to me >(in 3.3 and 4.0). Not that I don't believe it, mind you, I just want to see it >for myself. :-) This is the WS that came with the Osborne 1- v 2.26. It *does* funky things, even in non-doc mode. Trust me! :-) I am most assuredly not hell-bent on WS, it's just what I have. I can try PIP [z], printing to disk, another editor, or a utility. One of those ought to do it! I wish I'd said I knew about non-doc mode in my original letter- oh well. --------------------------\ /----------------------------------------------- INTERNET:tindle@ms.uky.edu | "Could you please continue the petty bickering? BITNET: tindle@ukma.bitnet | I find it most intriguing." --- Data, Ken Tindle - Lexington, KY | Star Trek, The Next Generation, "Haven" --------------------------/ \----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 27 Dec 90 13:49:49 GMT From: cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!news.cs.indiana.edu!news.nd.edu!mentor.cc.purdue.edu!gauss.math.purdue.edu!wilker@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Clarence Wilkerson) Subject: Need WordStar utility Message-ID: <3070@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> Aha! Some versions of WordStar supported direct write to screen memory on the (few) machines that had screen memory as part of system RAM. I suspect that setting the high bit is the way the Osborne knew to highlight the current character. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Dec 90 00:50:58 GMT From: amethyst!organpipe!astro.as.arizona.edu@noao.edu (Thomas J. Trebisky) Subject: Omti Series 10 SASI controllers Message-ID: <779@organpipe.UUCP> Has anyone out there ever heard of an Omti Series 10 SASI controller? I am looking for specs, manual, any info. I have two of these, each mounted on 8-inch winchesters (Quantum Q2020). I need enough info to write a new driver for these things. In particular I need the details for the format and the set drive parameters commands. In particular, want to know if this thing will handle a Q2040. Any help will really be appreciated - I have gone most of the way reverse engineering the thing (drew the schematic, read out and disassembled the microcode roms, you wouldn't believe it ... ). The closest thing I got to getting help from the manufacturer was talking to an engineer on the phone who said, >Yes I remember working late nights on that one, it warms my heart to know >someone out there is still using it. Anyhow, this thing works, so if someone out there has any documentation it will warm MY heart to hear from you! ttrebisky@as.arizona.edu (Internet) Tom Trebisky ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #212 ************************************* 31-Dec-90 16:24:13-MST,5595;000000000000 Mail-From: W8SDZ created at 31-Dec-90 16:16:49 Return-Path: Date: Mon, 31 Dec 90 16:16:48 MST From: INFO-CPM-REQUEST@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Reply-To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-CPM Digest V90 #213 To: INFO-CPM@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Message-ID: <901231161649.V90N213@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL> INFO-CPM Digest Mon, 31 Dec 90 Volume 90 : Issue 213 Today's Topics: DIRECT Disk Format (2 msgs) emulator for TeleVideo 1603 Help with embedded ^Z MK3884 - lost address TeX for CP/M ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 28 Dec 90 19:11:46 GMT From: usc!sdd.hp.com!samsung!caen!uflorida!pine.circa.ufl.edu!barbecue@apple.com (MERCER) Subject: DIRECT Disk Format Message-ID: <26092@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> some CPM disks from a DIRECT machine. He needs to transfer this data to MS-DOS format. I told him I would try reading his disks with my C-128 running CPM+, but I didn't have any luck. All I really need to do is read the data off the disks and upload it to another system, I don't actually have to transfer to another disk. Does anyone know anything about the DIRECT computer and its disk format? Any suggestions would be most appreciated. Please reply by mail, as I might miss your message otherwise. -------- BARBECUE@pine.circa.ufl.edu - Internet BARBECUE@UFPINE - BITNET ------------------------------ Date: 29 Dec 90 22:45:02 GMT From: mvb.saic.com!ncr-sd!simasd!simasd!pnet07!donm@ucsd.edu (Don Maslin) Subject: DIRECT Disk Format Message-ID: <1990Dec29.224502.9839@simasd.uucp> barbecue@pine.circa.ufl.edu (MERCER) writes: >some CPM disks from a DIRECT machine. He needs to transfer this >data to MS-DOS format. I told him I would try reading his disks Probably his best shot is to find someone with a PC and UniForm-PC or 22Disk who should be able to read them easily. There is a Direct 1025 listed in UniForm-PC, and likely in 22Disk, also. Keeper of the CP/M System Disk | UUCP: {nosc ucsd crash ncr-sd}!pnet07!donm Archives for the Dino(saur)SIG | ARPA: simasd!pnet07!donm@nosc.mil - San Diego Computer Society - | INET: donm@pnet07.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 90 20:20:49 EDT From: "Casimir M. Drahan" Subject: emulator for TeleVideo 1603 Many thanks to David Fetrow and Bill Marcum for their suggestions concerning possible ways to use a TeleVideo 1603 pc to log into the mainframe at my university. Further perusal of the help files reveals that it is possible to log in in line mode. Not really a very satisfactory solution. A few weeks back I checked the kermserv at Columbia to see if there was a version of Kermit for the TeleVideo. The best I could find was a CPM-86 version that might (???) run on the TeleVideo, or a generic MS-DOS version that pokes along at 1200 bps. Anyone know of a version of Kermit that will run on a TeleVideo? The IBM/MS-DOS version I have seen does vt100 emulation. I'm hopping that any version of Kermit for the TeleVideo might be similarly configured. Thanks. C.M.D. Casimir Matthew Drahan Computer Services University of Toledo Bitnet: OPRCMD@UOFT01 ------------------------------ Date: 31 Dec 90 22:31:55 GMT From: snorkelwacker.mit.edu!hsdndev!spdcc!jin@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jerry Natowitz) Subject: Help with embedded ^Z Message-ID: <5687@spdcc.SPDCC.COM> I was adding some control characters to a text file for a printer and, without realising the consequences, added a control Z in the first line of the file. I've tryed using pip thus: >pip *a.a=b.b[osStuff^Z] Where "Stuff" is a string that occurs in the second block of the file. No luck, Word Master still won't edit the file. I don't have a lot of the utilities around, BASIC-80 and PIP usually do the trick. I tryed reading the file in BASIC, no luck. Any help would be appreciated ... -- Jerry Natowitz Guest user on: ARPA jin@ursa-major.spdcc.com UUCP {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!jin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 90 10:03 EDT From: "John Shin" Subject: MK3884 - lost address Hi! Sorry to bother everybody... but I lost the address of the person (who had a UK address) who asked for info on MK3884. Could you call me back? I have the book with me, ready to be xeroxed and sent. I just need exact part number and your address.. -John Shin JSHIN@HampVMS.bitnet ------------------------------ Date: 31 Dec 90 18:56:31 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!spool2.mu.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!bronze!silver!bwildasi@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Ben Wildasin) Subject: TeX for CP/M Message-ID: <1990Dec31.185631.3764@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> Is anyone familiar with TeX implementations for CP/M? If so, what printers do they support? Also, are there any freely or cheaply available Emacs editors floating around out there? Thanks for any help... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ben Wildasin | All booms are sonic | bwildasi@ucs.indiana.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of INFO-CPM Digest V90 Issue #213 *************************************